[03:43] <Xubuntu_dasads> hello
[03:50] <pleia2> knome: 698 followers! ;)
[05:23] <pleia2> 699!
[05:24] <Unit193> I'm not one of them.
[07:28] <olbi> hello
[07:28] <olbi> I have installed xfce 4.10 pre2 from repo on launchpad and in session-menu I have hibernate, close etc as gray and can't click it
[07:29] <Unit193> This isn't a support channel, hibernate was disabled in P, and 4.10Xfce isn't supported either.
[07:30] <olbi> grrr with hibernate :P it sometimes was helpful :)
[07:32] <Unit193> You can reenable it, it's in the relnotes.
[07:35] <micahg> we should be getting 4.10 for quantal
[07:52] <olbi> I know it, but 12.04 is LTS :)
[07:54] <micahg> olbi: and 4.10 released 3 months late :)
[07:55] <micahg> LTS means bug/security support, not new versions
[08:01] <olbi> micahg: I know it, this is not good for the general reception but we should thx for so many good changes :)
[08:09] <ochosi> hi everyone
[08:29] <olbi> hello ochosi :)
[08:30] <olbi> I have 30 degrees in Lodz, Poland. How is yours? :)
[08:40] <knome> micahg, for the supportability of the lts, i was thinking if it made sense to SRU xfce 4.10 :P
[08:49] <Unit193> With or without him killing you? And I already said it wasn't, you know you don't want to make me wrong.
[08:51] <knome> ;)
[08:53] <ochosi> olbi: 30 as wellhere
[08:53] <micahg> knome: not a chance :)
[08:54] <knome> micahg, really? why not ;)
[08:54] <micahg> I don't even think I'd approve a backport (or would at least have to think about it long and hard)
[08:57] <knome> start thinking :]
[08:59] <micahg> let's get the stack working in quantal first
[09:00] <knome> sure, but if you need a long think... better to start that now ;)
[09:10] <olbi> good that bluebird works good now :D
[09:57] <mr_pouit> o hai
[09:57] <knome> hey mr_pouit 
[09:57] <mr_pouit> micahg: yeah, 4.10 in quantal
[09:57] <mr_pouit> and +1, not a chance for the big sru
[09:57] <knome> :|
[09:57] <knome> even if that helped the support burden?
[09:58] <mr_pouit> you need to update all xfce packages, that's a no-no
[09:58] <knome> k
[09:59] <knome> when is the final release of 4.10 in a PPA then :P
[09:59] <knome> people are asking for that *a lot*
[10:03] <mr_pouit> maybe today or tomorrow
[10:03] <mr_pouit> there's no new feature between pre2 and final...
[10:04] <mr_pouit> so people won't see anything new when they already have pre2
[10:04] <mr_pouit> and there's still an upgrade issue I haven't cleared yet (in my ppa, apt will decide to hold back xfce4-session, xfce4-appfinder and xubuntu-desktop, no good)
[10:17] <knome> mr_pouit, yeah. but those who have not installed any ppa yet
[10:18] <knome> mr_pouit, stupid to point them to rc2 now and tell them it's going to change later :/
[10:18] <mr_pouit> or they could wait and profit of 12.04 :}
[10:18] <Unit193> ^
[10:19] <knome> yeah, well...
[10:20] <knome> more people "voiding the warranty", less people to support...
[10:20] <knome> ;)
[10:20] <reon> Hi peoples
[10:23] <reon> Any idea when the 4.10 PPA will be populated? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[10:24] <knome> mr_pouit, as i said... stupid.
[10:24] <knome> reon, soon
[10:26] <reon> knome, :) I got itchy fingers and really keen to try it out. I'm considering building it from the tarballs but I would much rather just use a PPA.
[10:27] <mr_pouit> knome: I can already copy the pre2 packages to the xubuntu-dev ppa, eh
[10:27] <knome> mr_pouit, your choice - if you are sure that doesn't create any regressions, fine
[10:30] <mr_pouit> if I were be sure it didn't create any regression, it would have been in 12.04 :}
[10:30] <knome> heh, yeah...
[10:30] <mr_pouit> of course it will create regressions...
[10:30] <knome> heh :)
[10:30] <knome> in that case, don't
[10:31] <baizon> mr_pouit: why arent you upgrading your ppa from pre2 to final? :P
[10:35] <baizon> mr_pouit: ?
[10:36] <ochosi> oh dear, ubiquity just decided to hang after i pressed the "skip" button (it was downloading stupid language-packs for _ages_ ...)
[10:36]  * ochosi wonders what'll happen if i reboot now
[10:37] <knome> baizon, because he has other things to work on?
[10:37] <baizon> ok :)
[10:39] <mr_pouit> i'm updating the debian packaging now for 4.10 final, then I'll restart my session to test, and then I'll backport that in my ppa
[10:39] <mr_pouit> (insert random bits of real life things between each step)
[10:40]  * knome inserts "step into a dog poo"
[10:40] <baizon> mr_pouit: thanks for the info :)
[10:40] <reon> mr_pouit, which is your PPA?
[10:40] <baizon> reon: https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa
[10:41] <reon> Thx, will bookmark it and check it every hour :D
[10:41] <mr_pouit> knome: thanks :>
[10:41] <knome> mr_pouit, np! ;) (you said random...)
[10:50] <ochosi> grmpf, seems like (at least) my menu is borked
[10:52] <knome> ;)
[10:52] <ochosi> wondering whether i should just do another clean install
[10:53] <knome> heh
[10:53] <ochosi> i'm not really looking forward to fixing more random breakage
[10:53] <knome> ochosi, another clean install which you bork by pressing "skip" ?
[10:53] <ochosi> nope, one where i set up better/faster mirrors before installing...
[10:54] <knome> ;)
[22:13] <knome> what's wrong with the person on #xubuntu ?
[22:13] <knome> is he totally drunk?
[22:16] <pleia2> I was hoping for non-native speaker, but they're using a US ISP
[22:16] <pleia2> so... ohio
[22:16] <knome> :|
[22:16] <ochosi> well who knows, there might be non-native speakers living in ohio as well...
[22:16] <knome> can somebody try another approach?
[22:19] <ochosi> knome: sry, you seem to have more energy for that then me (at least today)
[22:19] <knome> meh :)
[22:19] <knome> hi ochosi 
[22:20] <ochosi> about albatross, i think it needs to be fixed "from scratch" (as in: like bluebird)
[22:20] <knome> yeah, but if there is a workaround for now, let's use that until we fix it
[22:20] <ochosi> and it was unfinished business anyway, so i'm not a big fan of applying a patch to something that i'll rewrite
[22:20] <ochosi> have you tested the patch?
[22:20] <knome> no, but can do later
[22:21] <ochosi> mkay
[22:21] <ochosi> i honestly haven't looked at it
[22:21] <ochosi> can probably do that later this week
[22:21] <ochosi> still have to set up a wiki-page for sean_d to work on the shortcuts-overlay
[22:22] <knome> yeah
[22:22] <ochosi> and i really don't like using the ubuntu-wiki for that, it's soo slow...
[22:22] <ochosi> (still)
[22:23] <ochosi> not sure i mentioned that already, but i think we should fork unity-greeter for 12.10
[22:23] <knome> it's getting a bit better...
[22:24] <knome> discuss with madnick, i'm ok with it if it looks good
[23:21]  * pleia2 needs to set up a filter for xubuntu wiki alerts
[23:22] <knome> mr_pouit, micahg: note that you are both assignees for including 4.10; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/Quantal
[23:22] <knome> pleia2, sorry! ;)
[23:22] <pleia2> :)
[23:22] <knome> mr_pouit, micahg: if you think this is wrong... fight with each other or find other assignees ;))
[23:44] <knome> pleia2, you still there?
[23:46] <pleia2> at work, so "sort of"
[23:47] <knome> heh, ok, a few quick Q's
[23:47] <knome> what do you think of listing only the supported releases at the wiki front, and pointing to wiki/Releases for the rest?
[23:48] <knome> also, do you think we can remove the "Get Involved!" -p from the wiki front, since it's mostly the same as in xubuntu.org? (everything except "you can join xubuntu-users on launchpad")
[23:48] <pleia2> sounds good
[23:48] <pleia2> maybe keep it and link to the website
[23:49] <knome> we do that already, but it's duplicating
[23:49] <pleia2> ah, we do link it, just delete the rest
[23:49] <knome> maybe condense it a bit, then it'd be good ;)
[23:49] <knome> hehe, sure
[23:49] <pleia2> yeah
[23:49] <pleia2> For information on how to contribute, see the Get Involved page of our website.
[23:49] <knome> yeah.
[23:50] <knome> see the "banner" at the top pointing to community help wiki?
[23:50] <knome> what about adding another.
[23:50] <knome> for the link, i mean
[23:50] <pleia2> oh sure
[23:50] <pleia2> that sounds good
[23:50] <pleia2> did you see pretty new help.ubuntu.com/community/ ? :)
[23:50] <pleia2> they haz new theme
[23:51] <knome> ooh
[23:51] <knome> nice
[23:51] <knome> at least that's a bit better ;)
[23:51] <knome> did you see the updated http://xubuntu.org/help/ ?
[23:51] <pleia2> they applied it about a week ago to help.ubuntu proper, I think it was just today that they put it on /community
[23:52] <knome> yeah, i think i've been hitting that site in a week and haven't seen that theme yet
[23:52] <pleia2> I don't remember specifics of /help before (except there was an xchat menu screenshot)
[23:52] <knome> yeah, i condensed it quite a lot
[23:52] <pleia2> good
[23:52] <knome> there was a huge paragraph on technical specifics of mailing lists...
[23:52] <knome> about (un)subscription and all