[03:43] hello [03:50] knome: 698 followers! ;) === Xubuntu_dasads is now known as Cyberacid [05:23] 699! [05:24] I'm not one of them. [07:28] hello [07:28] I have installed xfce 4.10 pre2 from repo on launchpad and in session-menu I have hibernate, close etc as gray and can't click it [07:29] This isn't a support channel, hibernate was disabled in P, and 4.10Xfce isn't supported either. [07:30] grrr with hibernate :P it sometimes was helpful :) [07:32] You can reenable it, it's in the relnotes. [07:35] we should be getting 4.10 for quantal [07:52] I know it, but 12.04 is LTS :) [07:54] olbi: and 4.10 released 3 months late :) [07:55] LTS means bug/security support, not new versions [08:01] micahg: I know it, this is not good for the general reception but we should thx for so many good changes :) [08:09] hi everyone [08:29] hello ochosi :) [08:30] I have 30 degrees in Lodz, Poland. How is yours? :) [08:40] micahg, for the supportability of the lts, i was thinking if it made sense to SRU xfce 4.10 :P [08:49] With or without him killing you? And I already said it wasn't, you know you don't want to make me wrong. [08:51] ;) [08:53] olbi: 30 as wellhere [08:53] knome: not a chance :) [08:54] micahg, really? why not ;) [08:54] I don't even think I'd approve a backport (or would at least have to think about it long and hard) [08:57] start thinking :] [08:59] let's get the stack working in quantal first [09:00] sure, but if you need a long think... better to start that now ;) [09:10] good that bluebird works good now :D [09:57] o hai [09:57] hey mr_pouit [09:57] micahg: yeah, 4.10 in quantal [09:57] and +1, not a chance for the big sru [09:57] :| [09:57] even if that helped the support burden? [09:58] you need to update all xfce packages, that's a no-no [09:58] k [09:59] when is the final release of 4.10 in a PPA then :P [09:59] people are asking for that *a lot* [10:03] maybe today or tomorrow [10:03] there's no new feature between pre2 and final... [10:04] so people won't see anything new when they already have pre2 [10:04] and there's still an upgrade issue I haven't cleared yet (in my ppa, apt will decide to hold back xfce4-session, xfce4-appfinder and xubuntu-desktop, no good) [10:17] mr_pouit, yeah. but those who have not installed any ppa yet [10:18] mr_pouit, stupid to point them to rc2 now and tell them it's going to change later :/ [10:18] or they could wait and profit of 12.04 :} [10:18] ^ [10:19] yeah, well... [10:20] more people "voiding the warranty", less people to support... [10:20] ;) [10:20] Hi peoples [10:23] Any idea when the 4.10 PPA will be populated? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10 [10:24] mr_pouit, as i said... stupid. [10:24] reon, soon [10:26] knome, :) I got itchy fingers and really keen to try it out. I'm considering building it from the tarballs but I would much rather just use a PPA. [10:27] knome: I can already copy the pre2 packages to the xubuntu-dev ppa, eh [10:27] mr_pouit, your choice - if you are sure that doesn't create any regressions, fine [10:30] if I were be sure it didn't create any regression, it would have been in 12.04 :} [10:30] heh, yeah... [10:30] of course it will create regressions... [10:30] heh :) [10:30] in that case, don't [10:31] mr_pouit: why arent you upgrading your ppa from pre2 to final? :P [10:35] mr_pouit: ? [10:36] oh dear, ubiquity just decided to hang after i pressed the "skip" button (it was downloading stupid language-packs for _ages_ ...) [10:36] * ochosi wonders what'll happen if i reboot now [10:37] baizon, because he has other things to work on? [10:37] ok :) [10:39] i'm updating the debian packaging now for 4.10 final, then I'll restart my session to test, and then I'll backport that in my ppa [10:39] (insert random bits of real life things between each step) [10:40] * knome inserts "step into a dog poo" [10:40] mr_pouit: thanks for the info :) [10:40] mr_pouit, which is your PPA? [10:40] reon: https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa [10:41] Thx, will bookmark it and check it every hour :D [10:41] knome: thanks :> [10:41] mr_pouit, np! ;) (you said random...) [10:50] grmpf, seems like (at least) my menu is borked [10:52] ;) [10:52] wondering whether i should just do another clean install [10:53] heh [10:53] i'm not really looking forward to fixing more random breakage [10:53] ochosi, another clean install which you bork by pressing "skip" ? [10:53] nope, one where i set up better/faster mirrors before installing... [10:54] ;) === yofel_ is now known as yofel === reon is now known as mips === gridcube_ is now known as GridCube [22:13] what's wrong with the person on #xubuntu ? [22:13] is he totally drunk? [22:16] I was hoping for non-native speaker, but they're using a US ISP [22:16] so... ohio [22:16] :| [22:16] well who knows, there might be non-native speakers living in ohio as well... [22:16] can somebody try another approach? [22:19] knome: sry, you seem to have more energy for that then me (at least today) [22:19] meh :) [22:19] hi ochosi [22:20] about albatross, i think it needs to be fixed "from scratch" (as in: like bluebird) [22:20] yeah, but if there is a workaround for now, let's use that until we fix it [22:20] and it was unfinished business anyway, so i'm not a big fan of applying a patch to something that i'll rewrite [22:20] have you tested the patch? [22:20] no, but can do later [22:21] mkay [22:21] i honestly haven't looked at it [22:21] can probably do that later this week [22:21] still have to set up a wiki-page for sean_d to work on the shortcuts-overlay [22:22] yeah [22:22] and i really don't like using the ubuntu-wiki for that, it's soo slow... [22:22] (still) [22:23] not sure i mentioned that already, but i think we should fork unity-greeter for 12.10 [22:23] it's getting a bit better... [22:24] discuss with madnick, i'm ok with it if it looks good [23:21] * pleia2 needs to set up a filter for xubuntu wiki alerts [23:22] mr_pouit, micahg: note that you are both assignees for including 4.10; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/Quantal [23:22] pleia2, sorry! ;) [23:22] :) [23:22] mr_pouit, micahg: if you think this is wrong... fight with each other or find other assignees ;)) [23:44] pleia2, you still there? [23:46] at work, so "sort of" [23:47] heh, ok, a few quick Q's [23:47] what do you think of listing only the supported releases at the wiki front, and pointing to wiki/Releases for the rest? [23:48] also, do you think we can remove the "Get Involved!" -p from the wiki front, since it's mostly the same as in xubuntu.org? (everything except "you can join xubuntu-users on launchpad") [23:48] sounds good [23:48] maybe keep it and link to the website [23:49] we do that already, but it's duplicating [23:49] ah, we do link it, just delete the rest [23:49] maybe condense it a bit, then it'd be good ;) [23:49] hehe, sure [23:49] yeah [23:49] For information on how to contribute, see the Get Involved page of our website. [23:49] yeah. [23:50] see the "banner" at the top pointing to community help wiki? [23:50] what about adding another. [23:50] for the link, i mean [23:50] oh sure [23:50] that sounds good [23:50] did you see pretty new help.ubuntu.com/community/ ? :) [23:50] they haz new theme [23:51] ooh [23:51] nice [23:51] at least that's a bit better ;) [23:51] did you see the updated http://xubuntu.org/help/ ? [23:51] they applied it about a week ago to help.ubuntu proper, I think it was just today that they put it on /community [23:52] yeah, i think i've been hitting that site in a week and haven't seen that theme yet [23:52] I don't remember specifics of /help before (except there was an xchat menu screenshot) [23:52] yeah, i condensed it quite a lot [23:52] good [23:52] there was a huge paragraph on technical specifics of mailing lists... [23:52] about (un)subscription and all