[02:33] <ikt> anyone watch
[02:33] <ikt> http://lunduke.com/?p=2953
[04:51] <somethinginteres> Team Report for April 2012 has been completed. I've sent a message to the mailing list asking for alterations and additions should people see fit. 
[04:56] <Lindon-Wynta> Hello fellow Aussie *Buntu'ers!
[04:56] <somethinginteres> Lindon-Wynta: G'day
[04:57] <Lindon-Wynta> Even tho I cheat on Ubuntu with openSUSE
[04:57] <Lindon-Wynta> lol
[04:57] <somethinginteres> Lindon-Wynta: Well I never! 
[04:58] <Lindon-Wynta> Ahh, I tend to prefer Zypper / RPM/ Yast over dpgk / deb / apt
[04:58] <Lindon-Wynta> But...
[04:58] <Lindon-Wynta> I much prefer Ubuntu for most other things, especially the ecosystem of Ubuntu
[04:59] <somethinginteres> Lindon-Wynta: it's good indeed 
[04:59] <Lindon-Wynta> And Unity is <3 <3
[05:00] <Lindon-Wynta> And really, openSUSE forums don't hold a candle the Ubuntu forums
[05:00] <somethinginteres> Lindon-Wynta: I think 12.04 has seen a real maturity of the Unity desktop. I always try to work with defaults before making changes and although Unity was a big workflow change I think my sticking with it has paid off in the end 
[05:01] <somethinginteres> Lindon-Wynta: My only gripe is my lack of Python programming knowledge to tweak the Video lens to my liking. It rightly defaults to local sources such as ABC iView but I'd like to add some US sites too. 
[05:03] <Lindon-Wynta> Yes, I've been meaning to learn Python
[05:03] <Lindon-Wynta> And LUA
[05:03] <Lindon-Wynta> 12.04, I think is the biggest distro release ever
[05:03] <Lindon-Wynta> Of any distro
[05:03] <Lindon-Wynta> And best
[05:03] <somethinginteres> Lindon-Wynta: in terms of downloads you mean? 
[05:05] <Lindon-Wynta> somethinginteres, I mean in terms of.... excitement, impact - 5 years on the desktop now, so many businesses should switch to *Buntu, expectations etc
[05:05] <Lindon-Wynta> First LTS with Unity too
[05:06] <Lindon-Wynta> Linux Action Show said that if 12.04 is a flop, than so is Ubuntu. I wouldn't go that far, but it does show how big a release this is
[05:06] <somethinginteres> Lindon-Wynta: Yeah it's a big milestone for sure. Pop over to #ubuntu-au-chat to continue the convo, this channel is meant to be for support - woops :) 
[05:48] <somethinginteres> does anyone know how to disable hardware? 
[05:49] <elky> I'll never understand how someone can prefer RPM
[06:29] <ikt> ^
[06:30] <ikt> but I'm the same with emacs as well
[06:30] <ikt> and nano
[06:30] <ikt> Vim >
[06:53] <Lindon-Wynta> elky, I only prefer RPM on SUSE
[06:53] <Lindon-Wynta> Not anywehere else
[06:53] <Lindon-Wynta> Tbh, Suse is the only RPM distro I'll touch. Can't stand Fedora, etc
[06:54] <Lindon-Wynta> ikt, I love nano
[06:58] <ikt> :S
[06:59] <Lindon-Wynta> Lol, I know....
[07:00] <Lindon-Wynta> Don't let the Whirlpool mods see this convo, they'll mod it for "religious" debats ;)
[07:00] <Lindon-Wynta> J/k
[07:00] <ikt> lol
[07:34] <ikt> Lindon-Wynta, did you see the 'why linux sucks' and 'why linux does not suck' videos?
[07:35] <ikt> http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1028248
[07:43] <Lindon-Wynta> ikt, No I did not, I kinda don't visit OCAU (or Whilrpool) anymore.
[07:43] <Lindon-Wynta> But... I did hear Lunduke was going to do those
[07:43] <ikt> =(
[07:43] <elky> Lindon-Wynta, It's safer that way. Really.
[07:43] <ikt> what forums you on these days?
[07:44] <elky> We don't all have ikt's fortitude ;)
[07:44] <Termana> ikt, arrgghh no, you're like tech blogs and slashdot authors. Never linking to the original source
[07:44] <ikt> I did?
[07:44] <ikt> first link
[07:44] <Lindon-Wynta> ikt, I haven't got a "home" forum like I used to
[07:44] <Lindon-Wynta> elky, Yeah, Whingepool got the best of me.
[07:44] <Lindon-Wynta> Just couldn't take it
[07:45] <Termana> No. You linked to a forum with a link to Lunduke's page and the videos below. You should have just linked to Lunduke's page
[07:45] <Lindon-Wynta> And OCAU was good, till I got flamed for having an older PC
[07:45] <elky> Don't get me wrong, there's awesome people on both. There's more less awesome people than is safe, though.
[07:45] <ikt> Termana, that's cuz I wanted you to see the discussion :P (since I made the forum post)
[07:45] <Termana> heh :p
[07:45] <elky> Termana, he's like a redditor ;)
[07:46] <Lindon-Wynta> elky, I'm actually a really nice, passive and peaceful person. But Whingepool just brought out a monster in me.
[07:46] <elky> Lindon-Wynta, that's what i mean by unsafe.
[07:46] <ikt> I love monsters!
[07:46] <Lindon-Wynta> Just the people who don't listen, especially certain WinFanbois.
[07:46] <Lindon-Wynta> One in particular
[07:46] <Termana> Lindon-Wynta, you got sucked in. Like, you were in a whirlpool or something
[07:47] <Lindon-Wynta> lol
[07:47] <elky> It's never one. There's always another in waiting.
[07:47] <ikt> You'd love politics and policies, labor vs liberal, no one budges on either side at all ever
[07:47] <Lindon-Wynta> And I just got sick of Whirlpool mods, one rule for one person, another rule for another
[07:48] <Lindon-Wynta> And I've also heard some of the nasty things WP mods say to members of Whirlpool in Whims. They all publicly deny it, of course
[07:48] <Lindon-Wynta> ikt, I do love politics
[07:48] <Lindon-Wynta> or, did
[07:48] <ikt> monster!
[07:49] <Lindon-Wynta> Now days, I just prefer to remain ignorant. Especially after least year's budget
[07:49] <Lindon-Wynta> I just don't want to know anymore
[07:49] <ikt> Don't blame you, it's just annoying dealing with lab/lib/green fanboys
[07:49] <Lindon-Wynta> Doctor told me to stay away from stress and anything that causes me anxiety. WP and politics don't help
[07:49] <ikt> there's no discussion, just yelling
[07:50] <Lindon-Wynta> I didn't have an issue with OCAU, except for the fact that, apparently, having an older PC on OCAU is a huge crime and I got a huge wall of flames because of it
[07:52] <Lindon-Wynta> basically told em all to rack off.
[07:52] <Lindon-Wynta> never went back
[07:52] <ikt> huh?
[07:52] <ikt> never seen that before
[07:52] <Termana> Lindon-Wynta, of course that's a crime, you probably can't even turn it up to 11. Disappointing.
[07:52] <Termana> :p
[07:52] <ikt> there's even a section dedicated to older machines
[07:53] <Lindon-Wynta> Yeah I know, I thought it was wierd. But it wasn't just one person - it was multiple people having a right old go
[07:53] <ikt> http://forums.overclockers.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=92
[07:53] <ikt> what was your username?
[08:10] <Lindon-Wynta> Back, sorry. Was doing bins
[08:10] <Lindon-Wynta> ikt, I probably rather not give out my older username. It's in the past.
[08:11] <Lindon-Wynta> I just change my password to something I don't know and can no longer log in.
[08:11] <Lindon-Wynta> Can't retrieve it either, since it uses an old email
[08:13] <Lindon-Wynta> ikt, Although Whirlpool was a different story. I was actually quite the monster there :/
[08:13] <Lindon-Wynta> Mainly because I tried to tell them various things, and they simply do not listen.
[08:13] <Lindon-Wynta> So I told the mods I no longer wanted the account and to bin it
[08:19] <Lindon-Wynta> Hi fenris 
[08:19] <Guest733> hi Lindon-Wynta
[08:20] <ikt> Lindon-Wynta, all good, I tried to move on but keep coming back, I think it's just addiction at this stage
[08:21] <Lindon-Wynta> ikt, Yeah I still read Whirlpool
[08:22] <Lindon-Wynta> It is an addition.
[08:22] <Lindon-Wynta> Good resource tho
[08:22] <Lindon-Wynta> Sometimes ;)
[08:24] <Lindon-Wynta> But trying to tell them the flaws of Win 7's audio stack and compositor.....
[08:24] <Lindon-Wynta> :/
[08:25] <Lindon-Wynta> Certain user(s) just come back with the same textbook examples of why it's good and why it works, then link to some online article
[08:36] <Lindon-Wynta> ikt, that video "why Linux sucks", Lunduke mentions that basically X.Org sucks. I like X.Org :/
[08:36] <Lindon-Wynta> lol
[08:36] <Lindon-Wynta> Not looking forward to Wayland too much tho
[09:18] <sagaci> ubuntu manual session at UDS @ 2012-05-09 11:00..11:55 in Grand Ballroom H
[09:19] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Thanks for reminding me about something else :P
[09:19] <sagaci> at a cool 4am in the morning Aus time
[09:19] <benonsoftware> I wish I could attend remotley for most sessions
[09:20] <sagaci> the evening sessions should be around 7am-11am
[09:20] <sagaci> yep, the 5pm sessions start at 10am EST
[09:20] <benonsoftware> Yeah, problem is I'm on the bus or in class those times :P
[09:20] <benonsoftware> I might see the Friday ones
[09:33] <sagaci> let's see the schedule
[09:34] <sagaci> a few sessions on
[09:55] <Dem0nic> hi there
[09:55] <sagaci> hi Dem0nic 
[09:56] <Dem0nic> is this where I should be trying to get help regarding a failed upgrade to precise 12.04?
[09:56] <Dem0nic> From the user list, it looks like the #ubuntu channel is a bit crowded...
[09:57] <sagaci> maybe
[09:57] <sagaci> what kind of failure are we dealing with
[09:57] <Dem0nic> I left my laptop to upgrade while I was at work today
[09:58] <Dem0nic> It downloaded everything it needed and had only installed the first dozen items when it hung
[09:58] <sagaci> unbootable?
[09:58] <Dem0nic> mouse responsive,but no other program than update manager opening
[09:58] <Dem0nic> yeah
[09:59] <Dem0nic> I'm working from a flash drive 11.10 at the moment
[09:59] <sagaci> I always clean reinstall
[09:59] <Dem0nic> eurgh
[09:59] <Dem0nic> I thought someone was going to say that
[09:59] <sagaci> saves the time troubleshooting this kind of thing
[09:59] <Dem0nic> that means downloading everything again, doesn't it?
[09:59] <Dem0nic> I'll use the off-peak this time.
[10:00] <sagaci> iinet repo is metered, I guess
[10:00] <Dem0nic> Thanks, sagici
[10:00] <Dem0nic> I'm just wierded out that no-one else encountered this
[10:00] <sagaci> err, apparently it's unmetered for iinet users
[10:01] <sagaci> you're probably not the only one
[10:01] <Dem0nic> I just couldn't find anything like it on the support forums.
[10:01] <Dem0nic> But I know what to do now, thanks to you
[10:01] <Dem0nic> Talk later.
[10:07] <head_victim> If Dem0nic returns I'd point him to the release notes - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop - they may have the issue where it appears to hang indefinitely.
[10:08] <head_victim> And is linked to bug 979661
[10:58] <head_victim> Any other students here have any comment about how well the uni learning software "blackboard" runs under linux?
[11:10] <sagaci> finally receiving OTA update to android 4.0.4
[11:10] <sagaci> on nexus s
[11:17] <head_victim> Nice, I'll be stuck on 2.2 until I get a hardware upgrade.
[11:19] <head_victim> Well, assuming I want to stick with a stock rom.
[11:20] <sagaci> I know that ICS has been out for a while but I'm fine with waiting for a relatively stable release
[11:21] <sagaci> some of the roms I've used can be pretty buggy
[11:21] <head_victim> Yeah with mission critical stuff I'm not so adventurous. To me a phone is mission critical if you don't have a suitable backup handy.
[11:21] <sagaci> yeah or the phone would all work bar the music/audio player
[11:22] <head_victim> I'll probably play with flashing my Defy when I get another Android device. 
[11:22] <head_victim> I just don't want to brick it or spend hours making it work when my next backup is an old nokia.
[11:23] <sagaci> I'm happy I went with an android device over iOS
[11:23] <loklaan> head_victim: what was that about blackboard? @20:58:45
[11:23] <loklaan> :)
[11:23] <head_victim> loklaan: just seeing if anyone has any experience with it.
[11:24] <sagaci> do you prefer blackboard over sakai?
[11:24] <head_victim> I'm going back to Uni soonish and that seems to be a popular method of delivering some study requirements.
[11:24] <head_victim> No idea what sakai is :/
[11:24] <loklaan> Never heard of sakai either :s
[11:26] <loklaan> Southbank Institute of Tech uses Blackboard - I've never experienced it screwing up before. But I am only a student, I don't post anything on the subject boards.
[11:27] <loklaan> What did you want to hear about it?
[11:27] <head_victim> loklaan: that it works is a good start
[11:28] <head_victim> My research indicates that previously it has been poor compatibility but it's near perfect now but didn't have any real experience with it so was canvassing ideas :)
[11:29] <loklaan> head_victim: Wait.. We're talking about the web front-end of blackboard right?
[11:29] <head_victim> loklaan: I was contemplating going to the southbank griffith campus for a while, would have been close
[11:29] <head_victim> loklaan: indeed, just using it as a student.
[11:31] <loklaan> head_victim: I like that campus, it is pretty :s
[11:31] <loklaan> But as far as reading updates (room changes, sick teachers/lecturers, assignment extension) and getting resources go, blackboard is pretty smooth.
[11:32] <loklaan> As I understand, blackboard does the hosting and maintenance themselves?
[11:32] <head_victim> Cool, it's looking like I'll be across the river at QUT now though
[11:32] <head_victim> loklaan: never used it so no idea :)
[11:33] <loklaan> head_victim: Haha. That is cool! I will be going there in July for the start second year.
[11:33] <loklaan> Their blackboard is alot nicer looking then Southbanks. :3
[11:34] <head_victim> Newer version or?
[11:35] <loklaan> head_victim: No, just a very clean theme. :P
[11:35] <head_victim> Ah ok, sounds good :)
[11:36] <loklaan> head_victim: What are you thinking of doing at QUT?
[11:36] <head_victim> MBA
[11:36] <head_victim> What are you studying?
[11:38] <loklaan> MBA? Is that Business Admin? :s
[11:39] <head_victim> Yeah, Masters Degree in Business Administration.
[11:39] <loklaan> Fancy - would be my first thought.
[11:40] <head_victim> Nah it's not really, but will be interesting hopefully
[11:41] <loklaan> I can't imagine what is involved in that... But I don't really know what a Masters involves anyway.
[11:42] <sagaci> loklaan: golf clubs and a long day
[11:42] <loklaan> I am doing my Batchelors in IT - although for the first year I am opting to do a Diploma in Web Dev
[11:42] <head_victim> Haha nah I'm hoping that will come as a result of doing the MBA
[11:42] <head_victim> loklaan: nice work.
[11:44] <loklaan> head_victim: cheers. I should probably being doing an assignment right now. >_< ciao for now.
[11:45] <head_victim> loklaan: cheerio
[11:52] <loklaan> Back. ;s Question:
[11:52] <loklaan> Should apport have been enabled on a clean install of 12.04?
[11:53] <sagaci> no
[11:53] <loklaan> Odd.
[11:53] <sagaci> or at least it is disabled on the first update
[11:56] <loklaan> sagaci: I would like apport to stop bugging me >_< Should I remove it?
[11:58] <sagaci> loklaan: have you updated?
[11:58] <sagaci> it should be disabled
[12:01] <loklaan> sagaci: Yeah. I've had some newer updates sneak up on me though, so I'll see what happens when I install them.
[12:01] <loklaan> cheers.
[12:17] <head_victim> Interesting, it appears apport is on my fresh install as well
[12:17] <head_victim> I thought I'd done somethign wrong
[12:42] <loklaan> To disable apport,
[12:42] <loklaan> sudo gedit /etc/default/apport
[12:42] <loklaan> and change the enabled from '1' to '0'.
[12:50] <head_victim> I'm kind of used to it (been running precise for over 5 months now) but was kind of surprised to see it.
[12:50] <head_victim> And on that note I'm heading off for the evening. Cheerio all.