[00:05] <mlankhorst> RAOF: yeah, but still trying to get a hold of jasoncwarner_ :)
[00:06] <TheMuso> mlankhorst: Afaik he is traveling/in the US now and likely recovering.
[00:07] <RAOF> Yeah, that was my thought.  He's usually available.
[00:21] <RAOF> robert_ancell: We should probably have some form of screen-attachment hack for the colour calibration session - the colourhug itself doesn't have any way to attach to a screen.  Probably some elastic would do.
[00:37] <cyphermox> EDS SRU coming up...
[04:23] <jasoncwarner_> hey AU folk...how is everything?
[04:24] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell RAOF TheMuso bryceh ^^ (bryce is honorary AU folk...and robert_ancell is still "AU")
[04:24] <RAOF> Peachy.
[04:24] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, no AU here
[04:24] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, first day done?
[04:24] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: AU jr. ?
[04:25] <RAOF> I've just discovered that you can run piuparts locally!
[04:25] <robert_ancell> RAOF is on the western island
[04:25] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: oh man...sooooo tired. was up since 4am local time, but I've gotten like 7 hours total sleep since waking up AU sunday
[04:25] <RAOF> Mmmmm, international.
[04:25] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, *wave*
[04:26] <RAOF> robert_ancell: With the *really big* north island above me? :)
[04:27] <jasoncwarner_> hey bryceh and RAOF ? for ya on X...when are we going to get rid of frankenserver and bring down new x stack for Q? I remember us saying we wanted to do that early in the cycle, but wasn't sure *how* early
[04:28] <jasoncwarner_> something we should do soon?
[04:28] <bryceh> guess it's probably not time critical
[04:28] <bryceh> traditionally we wait until the week or so after UDS
[04:29] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: should we do it sooner rather than later? or ...not matter?
[04:29] <jasoncwarner_> k
[04:29] <RAOF> There's not a lot of people using quantal at this point, and even if there were, now that proposed works we'll be able to smoothly upgrade anyway.
[04:29] <bryceh> would be inconvenient to break everyone just as they're getting ready to fly out :-)
[04:30] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh and RAOF cool...ok, so about the week after UDS...works for me.
[04:30] <bryceh> RAOF, I'm thinking less about transition troubles, more about just plain old X bugs.  But yeah, not many people will be running it right now, it probably doesn't matter too much one way or the other
[04:31] <RAOF> Previously the rationale for early X transitions was that they broke stuff.
[04:32] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF and that is what I'm worried about now. though, Chase says we shouldn't have issues with input b/c all that stuff is upstream? but, week after UDS seems as good as any
[04:32] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Hey there, hope your travels were uneventful.
[04:33] <jasoncwarner_> hey TheMuso ! Yeah, so far so good. nothing too stressful :) thanks for asking!
[04:33] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: But this time around we *won't* break stuff, except in the case of bugs; it'll be like Precise, where people didn't notice that we did a server transition.
[04:33] <RAOF> Except maybe nvidia & fglrx ;)
[04:33] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: always fun with those two ;)
[04:34] <RAOF> Yup!
[04:57] <kenvandine> jasoncwarner_, are you in oakland already?
[04:57] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: yuppers!
[04:57] <kenvandine> cool, good trip?
[04:59] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: yeah, no drama. oak is nice enough
[04:59] <jasoncwarner_> found a decent gym ;)
[05:00] <kenvandine> cool, you'll be all rested by the time i get there :)
[05:01] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Nice and close?
[05:02] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: yeah, right around the corner...works!
[08:49] <dupondje> Got some odd bug every 10 boots with Gnome-shell
[08:50] <dupondje> it boots fine, logging in, but then I get an incomplete gnome-shell. Like not everything loads.
[08:50] <dupondje> No errors, but it stops loading. Need to kill gnome-shell to get it working again.
[08:50] <dupondje> Any idea's how to debug that & give it a bugreport :)
[08:58] <mlankhorst> anything suspicious in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[09:02] <dupondje> ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area
[09:02] <dupondje> ** Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon
[09:02] <dupondje> ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area
[09:02] <dupondje> nothing else
[09:09] <Laney> quiet today
[09:09] <Laney> is it a holiday or something? :P
[09:09] <dupondje> it is
[09:10] <mlankhorst> dupondje: hm doesn't really look interesting :(
[09:11] <dupondje> mlankhorst: Indeed :) but its quite annoying sometimes. You boot, and bam, gnome-shell refuses to do its work :P
[12:30] <mlankhorst> noon
[15:19]  * Laney is merging bluez
[15:22] <cyphermox> Laney: there are changes slangasek wanted to land, for python3
[15:22] <Laney> cool
[15:22] <Laney> are they anywhere?
[15:22] <cyphermox> yes, just a second
[15:23] <Laney> shame they weren't in the udd branch
[15:23] <cyphermox> https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu/quantal/bluez/python3/+merge/103795
[15:24] <cyphermox> there may be a little work to fix things, see barry's review
[15:25] <Laney> i'll have a look
[15:25] <cyphermox> we can always apply that later though
[15:26] <Laney> may be easier to ubuntu2 it, yeah
[15:26] <cyphermox> there's something else that may be nice too, though it would require discussing with the Debian maintainer
[15:27] <cyphermox> splitting hid2hci into a separate package like Fedora does... hid2hci enabled and isntalled by default is a major pain, although I agree it's helpful to some people
[15:28] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: ^^
[15:28] <cyphermox> but I'll happily take care of that later
[15:29] <Laney> yeah
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, without it, bluetooth just doesn't work at all on my dell laptop
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> and it's not exactly uncommon hardware
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> i've got 2 dell laptops that both require it
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> i guess seb128 has the same hardware in his too
[15:30] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: right, but there's also issues with logitech devices that we can't really fix, because they appear to share USB IDs
[15:30] <cyphermox> maybe getting rid of some of the rules may be better then
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that might be better
[15:30] <cyphermox> or figuring out why your hardware requires that, seems very weird
[15:31] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: did you send me the USB IDs for your bluetooth device?
[15:31] <cyphermox> and/or the model of the laptop, then maybe I can mess with it again in the hardware lab
[15:32] <cyphermox> the Logitech rules appear to be the most problematic
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/960212/
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> it's a dell e6410
[15:33] <cyphermox> interesting
[15:33] <cyphermox> that does look like something that should be working out of the box from the kernel driver :/
[15:33] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: it's integrated, right?
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, yeah
[15:34] <cyphermox> ok
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> although, i did fit this one myself
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> but it's the one that dell normally fit to their laptops
[15:34] <cyphermox> ok
[15:34] <cyphermox> there's some chance we have that in the lab, so I'll try this Thursday or so when I get in the office
[15:36] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: ah, that was for a suspend issue?
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, i don't recall having a suspend issue
[15:37] <cyphermox> nm, I'm misreading the rule
[15:38] <cyphermox> yeah, I guess it would have to be just removing the Logitech rules
[15:40] <cyphermox> Laney: if you want to take care of it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/269851  seems like the "fix" would be to not switch either that particular logitech device (c714) or dropping the Logitech rules altogether; because those are normally external dongles that support keyboard and mouse; and using those on a liveCD or installer is problematic, since you wouldn't have pairings yet, and need
[15:40] <cyphermox> another keyboard or mouse to make one :)
[15:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 269851 in bluez "Bluetooth Logitech Dinovo Edge Keyboard/Mouse does not work anymore" [Medium,Incomplete]
[15:42] <cyphermox> otherwise I'll add it to my todo and get back to it in a few days
[15:43] <Laney> cyphermox: I'd be a bit leery changing it without being able to test
[15:43] <cyphermox> ok
[15:44] <cyphermox> I can only test my own dongle though, that's not covering the same device as in the bug either :(
[15:44] <cyphermox> but I can definitely attest to how much it's a pain to make the original pairing and find an extra keyboard and mouse :)
[15:45] <Laney> amen
[15:45] <Laney> I'm adding some more 2to3 stuff and then I'll push it up
[15:45] <Laney> you can sit on it and smush your changes on top when you get a chance
[15:47] <cyphermox> Laney: feel free to upload your changes, I'll make another revision after thinking about it some more
[15:47] <Laney> well i need sponsoring anyway
[15:47] <cyphermox> oh
[15:47] <cyphermox> then I'll sponsor it whenever it's ready
[15:47] <Laney> righto
[15:48] <Laney> give me a few mins
[15:48] <cyphermox> sure, np
[16:54] <Laney> cyphermox: there you go, you should have mail
[16:54] <Laney> bbl
[16:57] <cyphermox> ok
[17:44] <cyphermox> Laney: what were the changes you made on top of the python3 patch for bluez?
[17:58] <Laney> cyphermox: I guess the tests saw some changes in the new upstream; it was catching some remaining unconverted stuff
[17:59] <Laney> I meant to do it in a separate commit but forgot
[17:59] <cyphermox> oh ok, cool :)
[17:59] <cyphermox> I was asking because I couldn't see the one thing that barry mentioned that we can't work without -- raw_input() -> input() otherwise I guess it would crash
[17:59] <cyphermox> I fixed it here, I'll build and test and upload
[17:59] <Laney> oh, I did do that, hang on
[18:00] <cyphermox> oops
[18:00] <Laney> ok
[18:00] <Laney> no worries :-)
[18:00] <cyphermox> used dch -at, you still get the credit ;)
[18:01]  * cyphermox thinks about upgrading to quantal tomorrow
[18:07] <jbicha_> cyphermox: beware bug 992745 then
[18:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 992745 in libxfont "X doesn't load in Quantal, downgrading libxfont1 to Precise version fixes it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/992745
[18:07] <cyphermox> ahahah
[18:07] <cyphermox> jbicha_: awesome, thanks!
[18:08] <jbicha_> the Internet tells me we're getting rid of X anyway :)
[18:08] <cyphermox> yeah, who needs X. Menus are for restaurants!
[18:09] <cyphermox> fortunately, one of the first things I will be working on will be  the CLI interface for NM, don't need X for that... but I'll just set up pinning now so that I don't have to worry about it when I run the upgrade
[18:12] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: lol @ "Menus are for restaurants" :)
[18:17] <dupondje> Quantal is open tomorrow ? :)
[18:17] <dupondje> mmm :D
[18:17] <dupondje> tempting :)
[18:20] <dobey> quantal is already open
[18:23] <Laney> wide open
[18:24] <dupondje> mmm open :)
[18:26] <cyphermox> dupondje: just waiting until tomorrow because I took the day off for other reasons, so I'll have time to deal with the breakage now
[21:49] <MrChrisDruif> Hai everyone
[21:50] <MrChrisDruif> jbicha_ referred me to this channel
[21:52] <MrChrisDruif> desrt; I heard you like GNOME Shell as well?
[22:15] <MrChrisDruif> jbicha_; do you happen to know the timezone of desrt ?
[22:17] <desrt> MrChrisDruif: just got off of a plane, so now it's -7
[22:17] <jbicha_> MrChrisDruif: I'm sure he'll be around in a bit, he lives in Toronto but I'm not convinced he sleeps :)
[22:17]  * desrt waits for his bags while distchecking glib :)
[22:18] <MrChrisDruif> And *naturally* you check into irc while you wait ^_^
[22:18] <jbicha_> desrt: are you in Oakland?
[22:18] <desrt> SFO presently
[22:18] <desrt> i'll be getting on the BART shortly, though, assuming my bags are here
[22:18] <desrt> MrChrisDruif: i'm late for a glib release and i did most of the work on the plane.  i want to get the upload done ASAP
[22:19] <desrt> jbicha_: you coming next week?
[22:19] <jbicha_> desrt: two glib releases in one day?
[22:19] <desrt> jbicha_: stable and unstable
[22:19] <jbicha_> desrt: I'll get in Wednesday night, a bit late to the party but it'll still be fun!
[22:20] <desrt> wednesday tomorrow or 8 days from now?
[22:20] <jbicha_> 8 days
[22:20] <desrt> ya.  a bit late :)
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> Well, will be a few days better then I will do this uds
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> So it's around 5:22 where you are desrt ?
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> pm*