[00:05] RAOF: yeah, but still trying to get a hold of jasoncwarner_ :) [00:06] mlankhorst: Afaik he is traveling/in the US now and likely recovering. [00:07] Yeah, that was my thought. He's usually available. [00:21] robert_ancell: We should probably have some form of screen-attachment hack for the colour calibration session - the colourhug itself doesn't have any way to attach to a screen. Probably some elastic would do. [00:37] EDS SRU coming up... === ayan_ is now known as ayan [04:23] hey AU folk...how is everything? [04:24] robert_ancell RAOF TheMuso bryceh ^^ (bryce is honorary AU folk...and robert_ancell is still "AU") [04:24] Peachy. [04:24] jasoncwarner_, no AU here [04:24] jasoncwarner_, first day done? [04:24] robert_ancell: AU jr. ? [04:25] I've just discovered that you can run piuparts locally! [04:25] RAOF is on the western island [04:25] robert_ancell: oh man...sooooo tired. was up since 4am local time, but I've gotten like 7 hours total sleep since waking up AU sunday [04:25] Mmmmm, international. [04:25] jasoncwarner_, *wave* [04:26] robert_ancell: With the *really big* north island above me? :) [04:27] hey bryceh and RAOF ? for ya on X...when are we going to get rid of frankenserver and bring down new x stack for Q? I remember us saying we wanted to do that early in the cycle, but wasn't sure *how* early [04:28] something we should do soon? [04:28] guess it's probably not time critical [04:28] traditionally we wait until the week or so after UDS [04:29] bryceh: should we do it sooner rather than later? or ...not matter? [04:29] k [04:29] There's not a lot of people using quantal at this point, and even if there were, now that proposed works we'll be able to smoothly upgrade anyway. [04:29] would be inconvenient to break everyone just as they're getting ready to fly out :-) [04:30] bryceh and RAOF cool...ok, so about the week after UDS...works for me. [04:30] RAOF, I'm thinking less about transition troubles, more about just plain old X bugs. But yeah, not many people will be running it right now, it probably doesn't matter too much one way or the other [04:31] Previously the rationale for early X transitions was that they broke stuff. [04:32] RAOF and that is what I'm worried about now. though, Chase says we shouldn't have issues with input b/c all that stuff is upstream? but, week after UDS seems as good as any [04:32] jasoncwarner_: Hey there, hope your travels were uneventful. [04:33] hey TheMuso ! Yeah, so far so good. nothing too stressful :) thanks for asking! [04:33] jasoncwarner_: But this time around we *won't* break stuff, except in the case of bugs; it'll be like Precise, where people didn't notice that we did a server transition. [04:33] Except maybe nvidia & fglrx ;) [04:33] RAOF: always fun with those two ;) [04:34] Yup! [04:57] jasoncwarner_, are you in oakland already? [04:57] kenvandine: yuppers! [04:57] cool, good trip? [04:59] kenvandine: yeah, no drama. oak is nice enough [04:59] found a decent gym ;) [05:00] cool, you'll be all rested by the time i get there :) [05:01] jasoncwarner_: Nice and close? [05:02] RAOF: yeah, right around the corner...works! === fenris is now known as Guest733 === Guest733 is now known as ejat [08:49] Got some odd bug every 10 boots with Gnome-shell [08:50] it boots fine, logging in, but then I get an incomplete gnome-shell. Like not everything loads. [08:50] No errors, but it stops loading. Need to kill gnome-shell to get it working again. [08:50] Any idea's how to debug that & give it a bugreport :) [08:58] anything suspicious in ~/.xsession-errors ? [09:02] ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area [09:02] ** Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon [09:02] ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area [09:02] nothing else [09:09] quiet today [09:09] is it a holiday or something? :P [09:09] it is [09:10] dupondje: hm doesn't really look interesting :( [09:11] mlankhorst: Indeed :) but its quite annoying sometimes. You boot, and bam, gnome-shell refuses to do its work :P [12:30] noon === jalcine is now known as jacky [15:19] * Laney is merging bluez [15:22] Laney: there are changes slangasek wanted to land, for python3 [15:22] cool [15:22] are they anywhere? [15:22] yes, just a second [15:23] shame they weren't in the udd branch [15:23] https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu/quantal/bluez/python3/+merge/103795 [15:24] there may be a little work to fix things, see barry's review [15:25] i'll have a look [15:25] we can always apply that later though [15:26] may be easier to ubuntu2 it, yeah [15:26] there's something else that may be nice too, though it would require discussing with the Debian maintainer [15:27] splitting hid2hci into a separate package like Fedora does... hid2hci enabled and isntalled by default is a major pain, although I agree it's helpful to some people [15:28] chrisccoulson: ^^ [15:28] but I'll happily take care of that later [15:29] yeah [15:29] cyphermox, without it, bluetooth just doesn't work at all on my dell laptop [15:29] and it's not exactly uncommon hardware [15:29] i've got 2 dell laptops that both require it [15:29] i guess seb128 has the same hardware in his too [15:30] chrisccoulson: right, but there's also issues with logitech devices that we can't really fix, because they appear to share USB IDs [15:30] maybe getting rid of some of the rules may be better then [15:30] yeah, that might be better [15:30] or figuring out why your hardware requires that, seems very weird [15:31] chrisccoulson: did you send me the USB IDs for your bluetooth device? [15:31] and/or the model of the laptop, then maybe I can mess with it again in the hardware lab [15:32] the Logitech rules appear to be the most problematic [15:32] cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/960212/ [15:32] it's a dell e6410 [15:33] interesting [15:33] that does look like something that should be working out of the box from the kernel driver :/ [15:33] chrisccoulson: it's integrated, right? [15:34] cyphermox, yeah [15:34] ok [15:34] although, i did fit this one myself [15:34] but it's the one that dell normally fit to their laptops [15:34] ok [15:34] there's some chance we have that in the lab, so I'll try this Thursday or so when I get in the office [15:36] chrisccoulson: ah, that was for a suspend issue? [15:37] cyphermox, i don't recall having a suspend issue [15:37] nm, I'm misreading the rule [15:38] yeah, I guess it would have to be just removing the Logitech rules [15:40] Laney: if you want to take care of it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/269851 seems like the "fix" would be to not switch either that particular logitech device (c714) or dropping the Logitech rules altogether; because those are normally external dongles that support keyboard and mouse; and using those on a liveCD or installer is problematic, since you wouldn't have pairings yet, and need [15:40] another keyboard or mouse to make one :) [15:40] Launchpad bug 269851 in bluez "Bluetooth Logitech Dinovo Edge Keyboard/Mouse does not work anymore" [Medium,Incomplete] [15:42] otherwise I'll add it to my todo and get back to it in a few days [15:43] cyphermox: I'd be a bit leery changing it without being able to test [15:43] ok [15:44] I can only test my own dongle though, that's not covering the same device as in the bug either :( [15:44] but I can definitely attest to how much it's a pain to make the original pairing and find an extra keyboard and mouse :) [15:45] amen [15:45] I'm adding some more 2to3 stuff and then I'll push it up [15:45] you can sit on it and smush your changes on top when you get a chance === jbicha is now known as Guest90485 [15:47] Laney: feel free to upload your changes, I'll make another revision after thinking about it some more === Guest90485 is now known as jbicha_ [15:47] well i need sponsoring anyway [15:47] oh [15:47] then I'll sponsor it whenever it's ready [15:47] righto [15:48] give me a few mins [15:48] sure, np [16:54] cyphermox: there you go, you should have mail [16:54] bbl [16:57] ok === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [17:44] Laney: what were the changes you made on top of the python3 patch for bluez? [17:58] cyphermox: I guess the tests saw some changes in the new upstream; it was catching some remaining unconverted stuff [17:59] I meant to do it in a separate commit but forgot [17:59] oh ok, cool :) [17:59] I was asking because I couldn't see the one thing that barry mentioned that we can't work without -- raw_input() -> input() otherwise I guess it would crash [17:59] I fixed it here, I'll build and test and upload [17:59] oh, I did do that, hang on [18:00] oops [18:00] ok [18:00] no worries :-) [18:00] used dch -at, you still get the credit ;) [18:01] * cyphermox thinks about upgrading to quantal tomorrow [18:07] cyphermox: beware bug 992745 then [18:07] Launchpad bug 992745 in libxfont "X doesn't load in Quantal, downgrading libxfont1 to Precise version fixes it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/992745 [18:07] ahahah [18:07] jbicha_: awesome, thanks! [18:08] the Internet tells me we're getting rid of X anyway :) [18:08] yeah, who needs X. Menus are for restaurants! [18:09] fortunately, one of the first things I will be working on will be the CLI interface for NM, don't need X for that... but I'll just set up pinning now so that I don't have to worry about it when I run the upgrade [18:12] cyphermox: lol @ "Menus are for restaurants" :) [18:17] Quantal is open tomorrow ? :) [18:17] mmm :D [18:17] tempting :) [18:20] quantal is already open [18:23] wide open [18:24] mmm open :) [18:26] dupondje: just waiting until tomorrow because I took the day off for other reasons, so I'll have time to deal with the breakage now [21:49] Hai everyone [21:50] jbicha_ referred me to this channel [21:52] desrt; I heard you like GNOME Shell as well? [22:15] jbicha_; do you happen to know the timezone of desrt ? [22:17] MrChrisDruif: just got off of a plane, so now it's -7 [22:17] MrChrisDruif: I'm sure he'll be around in a bit, he lives in Toronto but I'm not convinced he sleeps :) [22:17] * desrt waits for his bags while distchecking glib :) [22:18] And *naturally* you check into irc while you wait ^_^ [22:18] desrt: are you in Oakland? [22:18] SFO presently [22:18] i'll be getting on the BART shortly, though, assuming my bags are here [22:18] MrChrisDruif: i'm late for a glib release and i did most of the work on the plane. i want to get the upload done ASAP [22:19] jbicha_: you coming next week? [22:19] desrt: two glib releases in one day? [22:19] jbicha_: stable and unstable [22:19] desrt: I'll get in Wednesday night, a bit late to the party but it'll still be fun! [22:20] wednesday tomorrow or 8 days from now? [22:20] 8 days === jbicha_ is now known as jbicha [22:20] ya. a bit late :) [22:20] Well, will be a few days better then I will do this uds [22:23] So it's around 5:22 where you are desrt ? [22:23] pm* === jbicha is now known as Guest96816 === mchro- is now known as mchro === strycore_ is now known as strycore === Beret- is now known as Beret === Trevinho_ is now known as Trevinho === mchro- is now known as mchro