[16:11] <ScottK> It would be useful if someone would look and see what we need to do to kill python-wxgtk2.6 in quantal.  It's already gone in Debian.
[16:11] <tumbleweed> I seem to recall you pointing at wx related issues in precise too
[16:12] <ScottK> I may have.
[16:13] <ScottK> It's one of those things I think should be done, but I've not got time to look into myself.
[16:14]  * tumbleweed has bug 948944 open in my browser, probably for a while :)
[16:16]  * tumbleweed may put some time into them this evening. But first, going out for dinner and beer!
[16:19] <ScottK> beer sounds like an appropriate preparation for working on wx stuff.
[16:22] <jtaylor> nice I broke my wx installation by installing 2.6
[16:22] <tumbleweed> oO) maybe jtaylor can fix it before I get back )
[16:23] <jtaylor> I don't even know how to fix my own installation
[16:23] <jtaylor> I reinstalled everything and purged 2.6 :/
[16:23] <jtaylor> still broken
[16:23] <tumbleweed> nice
[16:28] <jtaylor>  /usr/lib//python2.7/dist-packages/wx.pth does not get reinstalled for some reason
[16:31] <jtaylor> hurray reinstalling python-wxversion fixed it
[19:48] <tumbleweed> the wxwidgets2.6 removal affects beauties like this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/encadre-image
[19:48] <tumbleweed> same upstream version since feisty
[19:48] <jtaylor> neat
[19:49]  * tumbleweed looks to see if it works with 2.7
[19:49] <tumbleweed> err 8
[19:50] <jtaylor> I actually wanted a newer version of wxformbuilder recently, another one of those ubuntu only never updated one
[19:50] <jtaylor> I looked into it and it embeds a library not available ubuntu (ticpp)
[19:51] <jtaylor> I don't really fell like properly maintaining both full scale in debian to satisfy my short term need for it
[19:52] <tumbleweed> that's one of the reasons I created http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/neglected-packages.cgi We should encaurage people to look at it... (and host it on ubuntuwire, so it's faster)
[19:52] <jtaylor> but others might profit from an updated version not up to debian standards but equal to what is already there
[19:52] <jtaylor> can I upload it including the embedded library to ubuntu?
[19:53]  * tumbleweed supposes you could. but IANAAA
[19:54] <Laney> you shouldn't have looked
[19:54] <Laney> now it is on your conscience :P
[19:54] <tumbleweed> :)
[19:58] <Laney> seriously though, it is important to think about whether dumping something you intend at the outset not to care for is a good idea
[20:00] <jtaylor> yes but we already have something outdated in the archive, the alternative is to remove it or leave it rotting
[20:00] <jtaylor> in this case the package is still usable though so rotting may be ok
[20:00] <tumbleweed> reintroduction in Debian, by someone who cares about it, is preferable to rotting
[20:00] <tumbleweed> assuming the rot is already well set-in
[20:01] <jtaylor> it was never in debian
[20:01] <tumbleweed> no reason it couldn't be, in its next life :)
[20:03] <jtaylor> not by me, and its not exactly an easy target for a newcomer
[20:03] <jtaylor> you need to know a bunch of unusual stuff for proper maintenance
[20:04] <jtaylor> e.g. lua, premake
[20:04] <jtaylor> though updating the ubuntu package as is is a breeze, just get-orig-source and build :)
[20:05] <jtaylor> easier than trying to install from upstreams mess of a distribution
[20:05] <tumbleweed> I do worry that the rotting packages cause an unecessary drain on MOTU
[20:05] <tumbleweed> but yeah, the bar for an existing ubuntu-only package is pretty low
[20:17] <dupondje> tumbleweed: maby add popularity next to the list of neglected packages
[20:17] <dupondje> guess there are ton of packages nobody uses.
[20:18] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's a useful column
[20:18] <jtaylor> that page doesn't load for me :(
[20:19] <tumbleweed> give it a few years
[20:19] <dupondje> jtaylor: just wait a bit ... :)
[20:19] <tumbleweed> let's see if I can get it working on syklone before it loads for you...
[20:20] <jtaylor> been waiting 20 minutes already
[20:20] <jtaylor> though I had a disconnect in between
[20:20] <tumbleweed> why on earth did I make this a CGI?
[20:21] <jtaylor> now it loaded
[20:21] <jtaylor> quite a log :O
[20:21] <jtaylor> lot
[20:22] <tumbleweed> Laney: btw, finally got around to doing the report that was the cause for my ubuntu_upload_history involvement: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/debian-ubuntu-developers/
[20:23] <Laney> heh
[20:23] <tumbleweed> I seem to remember taking a workitem for that last UDS
[20:23] <Laney> what for?
[20:24] <tumbleweed> can't remember. Presumabyl debian healthcheck
[20:25] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: anything you need changed on ubuntuwire to get some of that stuff on there? :)
[20:25] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: laney pointed out last night that debian's UDD hasn't been importing *sources tables. Time for us to do more than just load dumps? :)
[20:25] <tumbleweed> (I'm not particularly serious there, but it probably does affect some reports)
[20:26] <Laney> apparently it is getting a new machine
[20:26] <tumbleweed> yeah, I think we kicked off the replace-ancient-machines movement
[20:26] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: what'd be required on our side for that?
[20:27] <tumbleweed> Laney: do we know the timeframe for the new UDD machine?
[20:27]  * tumbleweed looks for bits from zack
[20:27] <Laney> no
[20:27] <Laney> ask zobel in #-qa
[20:28] <Laney> i think it is pretty imminent though
[20:28]  * tumbleweed does that
[20:30] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: is a UDS session needed about any of this, or maybe rolled into another session?
[20:30] <ajmitch> or JFDI
[20:30] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: seriously. It's only a short-time issue (we hope) so I think we just sit it out
[20:31] <ajmitch> ok
[20:32] <tumbleweed> dupondje: don't you feel like merging xaralx?
[20:32] <tumbleweed> test-built the version in sid, FTBFS
[20:39] <dupondje> hoh
[20:39] <dupondje> I tought I checked that for oneiric
[20:40] <tumbleweed> we do have a new gcc...
[20:42] <dupondje> hmz, current debian version is ftbfs ?
[20:42] <dupondje> due to ?
[20:43] <tumbleweed> dupondje: http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/tmp/xaralx_0.7r1785-5_amd64.build
[20:48]  * dupondje should start working for Canonical :)
[20:49] <Laney> if you're referring to that URL, all Ubuntu members get that
[20:49] <dupondje> ah no :)
[20:50] <dupondje> i'm still not ubuntu member btw :P
[20:53] <dupondje> tumbleweed: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=52725 seems related
[20:56] <tumbleweed> we could just remove the package. Debian removed it from testing years ago :)
[20:59] <dupondje> let me check, shouldn't be to hard to fix :)
[20:59] <dupondje> bleh, pbuilder-dist doesn't know quantal
[20:59] <dupondje> ;)
[21:00] <tumbleweed> it should
[21:00] <tumbleweed> what release are you on?
[21:01] <dupondje> Precise
[21:01] <tumbleweed> you will need to create a quantal rootfs, of course
[21:03] <jtaylor> do you ahve debootstrap from backports?
[21:04] <dupondje> nopes :)
[21:06] <dupondje> ok, i'm running :)
[21:06] <dupondje> thx
[21:34] <dupondje> tumbleweed: fixed that one, getting this now
[21:34] <dupondje> imjpeg.cpp:773:37: error: 'JPEG_LIB_VERSION' was not declared in this scope
[21:35] <tumbleweed> sounds liek a missing include
[21:35] <tumbleweed> or something related to the jpeg library switch we did
[22:54] <tumbleweed> dupondje: added popcon: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ubuntu-neglected-packages/
[22:54] <tumbleweed> (statically generated. can't cron it until we have quantal in ubuntu_sources)