[01:36] !backports [01:36] If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging [02:39] ali1234: I'm after making use of that amazon credit of yours whenever your about, got an awesome build here now, i7 2600 :D [06:03] [Jono Bacon] First Ubuntu Accomplishments Release - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/01/first-ubuntu-accomplishments-release/ === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:04] Morning all [07:07] morning [07:07] Morning folks [07:08] Don't forget Ubuntu Open Week kicks off today with "Ask Mark" at 2100UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek [07:14] So by my reckoning, current time in UTC is 7:13AM which would make the session 10:00pm tonight [08:06] morning all [08:06] Morning MooDoo [08:13] morning [08:19] anyone here with a deep knowledge of DNS magic? [08:24] DJones: well done yes [08:24] aloha [08:25] Morning czajkowski [08:31] Morning all! *8OD [08:33] hola [08:55] Morning [09:00] Are the uk mirrors still getting hammered ? [09:01] looks like it to me [09:02] Is there no ubuntu minecraft server anymore? [09:02] smittix: ? [09:02] smittix: I think popey took his down [09:03] Ahh [09:03] Give me a sec while I check something [09:03] where do you play now DJones? Looking for somewhere safe for my 12 year old nephew. [09:08] smittix: I had one running on one of our VMs but it *eats* resources. My son is rather unhappy with me currently :-( [09:08] heh [09:08] smittix: avoiding Planet of the Cock People? === david_ is now known as soulnafein [09:11] Morning peeps :) [09:11] kkjjA):w [09:12] ^ sorry, wrong window... [09:14] IRC is not vim! [09:14] How I wish it were [09:25] is there any good information on wine interactino with unity launcher? [09:26] run picasa, you get a second wine icon [09:26] the picasa icon doesn't light up [09:26] bigcalm, http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=931 :-) [09:27] No screenshots, shame [09:27] I dimly remember trying it once [09:28] My main clients since then have been irssi and XChat [09:28] So it can't be that good, or maybe it didn't even work [09:28] * awilkins shamefully used to use mIrc for Windows and is sorry now [09:29] The new Prometheus trailer leaves me in little doubt that Charlize Theron's part is an android. [09:34] So the shock is probably that she's actually a human.. [09:36] irssi ftw! [09:38] w00t! getting about 12.7Kbs from the ubuntu-uk servers ;-) [09:38] I've been using my ISPs mirror [09:41] * awilkins wonders if downloading the EVE Online client just so you can rip it's music is "wrong" [09:53] TheOpenSourcerer, I had same issue earlier, can't believe they are still being hammered [09:54] Oooh professional cad software for Ubuntu [09:54] Yeah - I did a clean 12.04 install on my main work desktop on Sunday - has taken ages to get everything installed. [09:54] good morning everyone. [09:55] morning brobostigon [09:55] ah, 12.7K [09:55] feels like the afternoon already ;-) [09:55] morning TheOpenSourcerer [09:55] Just taken about 1/2 hour to get 40mb of updates here [09:55] sounds almost like dialup [09:56] Debating about doing my VPS tonight to Precise, will make sure i point it at his apt-cacher [09:58] diplo: I use the Virginmedia mirrors. I was getting 3.6mb/s down last night. [09:59] Cool, I must change mine here then, as at work we are on Virgin and I'm getting sod all [10:11] Heh, my non-use of Ubuntu on servers means that the 12.04 release is all about the soon-ness of a 12.10 upgrade... [10:11] I noticed that release parties feel more like the end of that release than teh beginning of it [10:15] End of the toil just to hit an arbitrary date [10:16] BigRedS: heh, i only use ubuntu on servers, use mac os x on laptop [10:42] I really am beginging to wonder did anyone on the UK loco test precise before it was released given the issues they seem to be going on about on the list, one would think it wasn't out before hand so you could test before upgrading [10:45] czajkowski: nah people like to install on release then complain till the next one. [10:45] it looks like that [10:47] czajkowski: I kept meanign to, and kept not really knowing what to do to 'test' [10:47] and, besides, every time I ranted an Alan told me it was fixed already [10:47] BigRedS: just using it is a good "test" [10:47] I missed popey's big testing drive 'cause I was working [10:47] MooDoo: yeah, but there's a proper testing thing whose entry I keep missing [10:48] I've barely used it at all because I lack the motivation to write my own keymap :/ [10:50] I didn't use it until near release because of mouse driver problems made it unusable on my laptop. [10:51] lovely :/ [10:52] i think i might install it into a vm this evening ;) [10:52] czajkowski, once upon a time i installed ubuntu+1 prior to release, but i hit some *really* severe bugs a few times, so consider myself too old for that now [10:52] directhex: +1s are getting better [10:52] s now we have another thread about 12.04 oddities [10:53] you still need to be able to cope with retarded decisions for a week at a time every so often, though [10:53] just seems really unhelpful if people wait till after release to complain [10:53] bigcalm, i don't want more "oops we hosed x" or "oops we hosed libc" issues in the last month of development [10:53] what's teh point in having a release date if everybody is supposed to have used it beforehand? [10:53] directhex: yeah, I don't use +1s at work [10:53] directhex: eh? [10:54] bigcalm, change your name so you don't tab-complete from big. [10:54] Pfft [10:54] haha [10:54] directhex: change your name so you don't tab-complete from d :( [10:54] to be fair, I think he got bi first [10:55] No idea how long I've had bigcalm. Late 90s I guess [10:55] Dave2, 3 characters is the tab complete moan threshhold. [10:55] I'm only waiting for someone to give out to Anton to stop his top posting again on threads [10:55] directhex: change your name so you aren't the same as the DOS directory listing command [10:55] Hehe [10:56] directhex: I bet that's deliberate, you love the Windows and .NET or something. [10:56] I don't mind top posting, just as long as everybody does it in a thread [10:56] Dave2, yes, clearly [10:56] For the same reasons, I don't mind bottom posting [10:57] bigcalm: this is a family-friendly channe [10:57] l [10:57] !ohmy | bigcalm [10:57] bigcalm, please see my private message [10:57] BigRedS: fair enough but it's been said god knows how many times, it's bottom posting on that list :) [10:57] Erm [10:57] Who was that directed at? [10:57] bottoms! [10:57] bigcalm: [10:57] czajkowski: :) [11:04] czajkowski: I just set a very low effor threshold and don't read anything that takes more than that to read it [11:04] This way, I just skip all mail that might otherwise make me annoyed :) [11:04] i just don't subscribe to lists [11:07] where do you rant? [11:09] twitter [11:10] ahhh [11:11] and directhex manages good rants in 140 characters [11:12] yeah [11:13] is it just me or does apt-get upgrade now download multi packages at once [11:13] 17% [2 google-chrome-stable 5,002 kB/27.2 MB 18%] [1 samba 4,322 kB/8,041 kB 54%] [3 mahjongg 1,364 kB/2,332 kB 58%] 157 kB/s 5min 34 [11:14] never seen that before [11:14] YAWN YAWN YAWN... 58% [4 phpmyadmin 2,842 kB/5,343 kB 53%] 77.6 kB/s 32s [11:15] TheOpenSourcerer: use a different mirror? [11:15] Software sources chose bytemark as my best mirror [11:15] could do bigcalm - but I keep thinking I'm about done for now. [11:15] Oh well :) [11:18] * MartijnVdS upgraded his work machine to btrfs [11:18] dogmatic69: oh! I've been wanting that for years! [11:18] dogmatic69: it's getting google-chrome-stable from the Google servers, samba from security, and mahjongg from the "normal" repos [11:18] TheOpenSourcerer: o.o you should be using git for phpmyadmin [11:19] You shouldn't use anything with "php" in the name :P{ [11:19] haters gonna hate [11:19] it's only on my desktop for development so I can browser and fix a db when I break it ;-) [11:20] MartijnVdS: why about phpmyunauthenticatedremoteshell? [11:20] version in precise is fairly new I think [11:20] TheOpenSourcerer: the new pma is much better, what version is that? [11:20] !info phpmyadmin [11:20] phpmyadmin (source: phpmyadmin): MySQL web administration tool. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:3.4.10.1-1 (precise), package size 5217 kB, installed size 15113 kB [11:20] what is pma? dogmatic69 [11:20] php my admin [11:21] Oh I see. [11:21] pma is quite active, there are updates in the repo almost daily [11:23] so how far apart is 3.4.10 and 3.5? [11:23] by the looks of this - not very far: https://launchpad.net/~nijel/+archive/phpmyadmin [11:24] there is 3.4.11, 12, 3.5 is RC [11:24] git diff RELEASE_3_4_10..master --shortstat [11:24] 1243 files changed, 689812 insertions(+), 384001 deletions(-) === sagaci__ is now known as sagaci [11:51] czajkowski: That last tweet of yours is very funny [11:51] http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/boy-11-urinates-36k-worth-apple-macbooks-744098 for everyone to share [11:55] I wonder how long he's been grounded for === tux is now known as Guest45229 [12:03] I know I'm not a lover of macs but dear gods 36K worth of damange [12:03] *damage [12:04] czajkowski: sounds like a load of pish to me [12:04] 'and the cart' makes it sound like the just wrote the whole lot off. some insurance adjuster will have the lot of them on ebay soon enough [12:04] shauno: With an air freshener in each box [12:16] apple's a bit odd at the moment. I'm really not fond of the direction they're moving, but I'm loathe to move off them because I've not found another desktop that's even passable [12:17] * AlanBell wonders how many raspberry pi computers you would have to wee on to get a bill of $36,000 [12:17] Assuming 100% destruction, 1,440 model B, or 1029 model A [12:18] Although the model As would be slightly higher [12:18] AlanBell: well they're wee computers already aren't they [12:23] mrevell: joining us on Wednesday night and/or Thursday? [12:24] bigcalm, Unlikely Wednesday. Maybe Thursday. I'm off to UDS on Saturday, so I have a lot to get done before that. [12:24] mrevell: fair enough :) [12:24] AlanBell: I wonder how much you'd have to drink to be able to wee on $36,000 worth rasberry pi's [12:27] Does anyone here use squid-deb-proxy or apt-cacher? I've noticed that when using either of these I get very slow package downloads. Any normal connection to the machine hosting the cache is fine, though. [12:33] mrevell: ello [12:33] hello czajkowski [12:34] mrevell: you doing ubuntu updates and finding it slow ? [12:47] czajkowski, Both updates and installing new packages. I had assumed it was only when I had the proxy in place but it appears to be happening with or without the proxy. I'm guessing it's just release-releated slowness. [12:48] Change mirrors [12:49] I had to change because of the speed. I changed to the Virgin Media Mirrors and all is well. [13:04] Oh FFS it has happened again! I have a copy of Talend running (not a repo based installation) and I accidentally selected the "Show Desktop" option on the tab switcher thingy. Now I cannot get Talend back because it has no launcher icon. This is a huge bag of annoyment. [13:05] How can I open a minimised app without a launcher icon? [13:11] alt-tab or docky [13:11] or find the invisible icon on the dock [13:12] i have worse issues with wine apps... [13:13] alt-tab doesn't reveal the app - it doesn;t have an icon in the launcher [13:14] Oooh - Oooh. That's a good one! [13:14] If I switched quickly between the "show desktop" and a nautilus window that was open in the alt-tab switcher, my Talend app came back! [13:16] installing debian on a powerpc mac mini :-\ [13:16] the only reason is that it is small.. [13:38] AlanBell: Did you pick up on this http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/043012-linux-desktop-258724.html?page=1 [13:48] morning all [13:48] mrevell: i do [13:49] Morning popey [13:50] Hello popey. I think my speed problems have been due to the load on the gb archive, rather than probs with my local cache. I've switched mirror now and it seems okay. [13:50] mrevell: yeah, i use a different mirror now [13:53] Morning popey [13:53] I didn't know about the mirror selection until popey g+'d about it [13:54] Pleased that it's in 11.10 [13:54] * popey notes a bazillion mails in the list [13:55] And none of the mails are about top posting :) [13:56] Heh [13:56] The list has been busy today [13:56] Maybe it's the weather stopping people from going outside to play [13:57] I guess its not much of a surprise though, only a week after release, so people will have issues [14:06] is it a deliberate feature of nautilus window to close when ejecting stuff? [14:10] Hmmp, odd Unity bug [14:11] Not *visually* losing the window chrome, but behaviour as if I am [14:11] e.g. the titlebar, borders, etc, are "intangible" to the mouse, cannot resize by grasping them, clicks to title bar and buttons go through to window behind [14:12] oimon, I think it's deliberate from the POV that you just ejected the drive you were looking at, but it's a bit overzealous [14:16] I had an application go all "transparent" on me yesterday. Menu in the top bar but no window or contents :-( [14:21] DJones, Already detected at least a few ounces of horse manure in this networkworld.com article [14:22] I got halfway down the first page and cba, read some of the comments and it seems widespread [14:22] "You have to switch to the new version of Linux every year" #Bzzzt Ubuntu LTS is supported for 5 years, even the STS releases are 18 months [14:23] RH/CentOS are now 10 years server? not sure about desktop [14:23] Was trying out that WebNotes thing on that Cabinet Office questions thing [14:24] There should be a collaborative document markup thing for us OSS guys so we can debunk things online [14:25] Also, for things like CISPA, ACTA, Wikileaks cables, etc, so you can collectively pool resources to review things [14:25] OK, you code it i'll put some input once it's finished [14:25] :) [14:25] Using it to search for prior art in the USPTO software patent database would be good too [14:26] If Amazon can put one in a Kindle.. [14:31] OMG! I just realised that if you choose the "Show Desktop" thing in the alt-tab switcher it minimises all apps on all desktops! [14:31] WTF? [14:31] It didn't used to do that. [14:32] How exceedingly stupid is that! [14:34] is there an un-show desktop? [14:34] nope [14:35] * awilkins also finds this deeply annoying [14:35] The old way, where there was a key that would toggle it, was better [14:35] And looked cool as well [14:36] "Hold on while I grab that file on my desktop" #Pwip pwing fwoop [14:37] Anyway - thanks to J Fernyhough, the minimised app does show up in Expo! Huraahh [14:38] Not in alt-tab, but in Super+W [14:38] go figure [14:40] I think it is very clear that the Unity developers are not using Ubuntu. [14:49] quite a lot of their tweets used to come from macs.. [14:50] how do i use b43-cutter if i have no internet connection? does it download firmware from the internet? [14:50] (and does airport extreme require it?) [14:52] oimon, unity developers? no [14:53] gord: joining us on Thursday? [14:53] bigcalm, might be a bit tricky, i don't think national rail can route from oakland to wolverhampton [14:53] gord: bah. How did you make it to UDS? [14:54] gord: Can you not borrow Canonical One ? [14:56] gord, is njpatel a unity dev? [14:56] i go every time? not missed a UDS since i joined canonical, i think Lucid was my first [14:56] he is [14:56] well was [14:56] he used to tweet from a mac , doesn't say that he didn't have 2 laptops with him at all times though [14:56] i recall others did too [14:57] although not 100% on their unity or canonical status. [14:57] he loves iphones ;) but his main computer is https://plus.google.com/116146157446190736812/posts/1K6kTnUa2vq [14:57] not sure if twitter still shows that info [14:57] some people have macs, but everyone did 100% of development and worked 9-6 every day entirely on ubuntu [14:58] Hmm, the other unity bug that's been bugging me ; coming back to a window and finding it whited out... resizing it is usually enough to redraw the content [14:58] awilkins, chromium? [14:58] i looked around at this canonical summit yesterday [14:58] oimon, gedit, synaptic [14:58] most people have thinkpads [14:58] oimon, Not chromium so far [14:59] contrary to what the internet thinks [14:59] I have a Thinkpad from work for the first time instead of an HP and would probably buy one if I needed a personal laptop [14:59] The keyboard is nice [14:59] i have a thinkpad 600E . screen is still nice. processor is not [15:00] * after you reconfigure the BIOS to put ctrl in the corner where it's supposed to be, natch' [15:00] Screen is a universal annoyance on all laptops now [15:00] Stupid HD TV panel factories [15:00] ? [15:00] my thinkpad screen is fantastic [15:01] IPS, you can look at it from any angle and it doesn't get washed out/inverted [15:01] gord, What's it's native res [15:01] standard laptop whateverx7something [15:01] its a small screen, not a large one [15:01] 1366x768 [15:01] That's what annoys me, the 768 pixel high screens [15:02] Because it's economic to produce them in the same factory that makes small TV panels [15:02] its fine, with unity ;) all i care about is the dpi really and the dpi is quite good here [15:02] * oimon has vertical pixels to burn [15:02] I had a laptop 10 years ago that had a 1600x1200 screen, why do I have to regress because of the darned TV industry [15:02] 2 x 4:3 monitors = 1 widescreen [15:02] 1080 monitors bug me though, you get a really big monitor then have pixels the size of your thumb [15:03] awilkins, viao has 1920x1200 or whatever it is [15:03] i only discovered yesterday that the x220 can drive two external monitors at full hd [15:03] one on vga one on displayport [15:03] I have a pair of 22" 1680x1050 panels and the pixels are just fine and dandy tiny enough for me [15:03] sweet [15:03] popey, i think even more with the dock [15:03] golly [15:03] i love this laptop [15:04] so many people here have the same one, i didnt bother bringing my charger down today [15:04] be nice if i had hdmi instead of display port though [15:04] first guy to walk in has a thinkpad, blagged his [15:04] I'd love a machine that could run more displays, if it wasn't for the fact that I'd have to go through endless pain and suffering to get work to issue me with more monitors [15:04] you need a charger with the x220? ;) [15:04] my work lapto pis so awful i hardly use it [15:05] oimon, My work laptop is a nice Thinkpad T420 spoiled by a 32-bit build of Windows with a tonne of corporate crapware on it [15:05] bah, next person to walk in has a macbook [15:06] Full disk encryption, even though I never deal with confidential data? Check. Locked out USB ports, making it a PITA to copy files ad-hoc? Check. [15:06] installing debian in 2012 feels like installing debian in 2002 [15:06] Worst virus scanner on the planet (McAfee) eating 40% of CPU time every time you do something IO heavy? Check. [15:07] awilkins: I would have thought Norton would be worse [15:08] kaspersky is heavier but occasionally catches stuff. mcafee and sophos don't even catch things [15:08] DJones, Not sure... we did have Symantec. I resented the 5% CPU time it drank, little did I know [15:08] Some of our IO heavy processes went from 2 minutes to 8 minutes [15:09] i bet the IT boys turn theirs off or run linux [15:09] I've not used it for years, but I seem to remember it was like a black hole for the computer, everything vanished into it [15:09] But they changed because they got a bundle deal with the other awful corporate ware from Novell. [15:09] Zenworks ; daily struggles to install the same patches, fails horribly. [15:10] Something that audits every file on your machine by enumerating it's path (including inside archives) and then spends 20 mins of pegging the CPU zipping the list up to send back to base [15:10] The IT boys are minimum wage subcontractors, poor devils [15:11] bad IT = lower productivity [15:11] Even my wife doesn't understand why an organization that is basically IT incarnate subcontracts it's IT [15:12] * awilkins works for gov.uk [15:12] It's one of those things that is easier to understand if you think of it from the "monetization efficiency" POV rather than the "actual efficiency" POV [15:13] Dammit, my spell checker recognises "monetization" as a real word. We're all doomed. [15:14] Encrypted USB drives : had a closer look at the ones we buy. Discovered they are just a std USB drive with a partition containing the software. [15:15] I'm not going to disclose how much we pay for one of these 2GB USB flash drives, but it's too much. [15:16] Our official encrypted drive advice appears to have been drafted by the supplier though, because they say "destroy the device when no longer in use" [15:16] I got marked down on our security assessment for thinking that "wipe the key block, re-use expensive drive" was the right answer [15:19] oimon: just showed your bug 985710 to our design lead [15:19] Launchpad bug 987223 in unity "duplicate for #985710 Launcher doesn't autoscroll when holding an icon (can't reach trash)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987223 [15:19] so yeah, that's broken ☺ [15:20] i fixed that bug two years ago! [15:21] hah [15:21] also, need to file a bug about launcher tooltips [15:21] gord, do you run any wine apps? [15:21] in that if you click an app the tooltip stays on screen [15:22] I am seeing that - esp. with Thunderbird for some reason. [15:22] it happens with all apps [15:22] How about this one : tap super key, use launcher icon r-click menu to "Open New Window", dash remains open [15:22] not in a long time [15:22] popey, yeah the wine apps is a different bug i noticed last night [15:23] need to find the corresponding bug # in lp [15:23] awilkins: file it and gimmie bug number [15:24] popey, Already filed : https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/937338 [15:24] Ubuntu bug 937338 in Ayatana Design "When selecting an action from a quicklist after opening the dash the dash stays put" [Medium,Triaged] [15:27] bug 704187, well over year old [15:27] Launchpad bug 704187 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unable to add Wine applications to Unity launcher" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704187 [15:27] gord: did you remember tea bags? [15:27] i forgot tea bags ☹ [15:28] no... :( but why would i remember tea bags when i have a lovely irish lady who brings me tea bags! :) [15:28] would you like me to bring some t? [15:28] * czajkowski shall get a box of pg tips for gord and popey [15:28] Does the US really have no tea? [15:28] yes please! [15:28] gord: I'm going to remember this when I've got a bug and I need you to fix it mister! [15:29] The US has mostly hippy style tea [15:29] No proper Northern Working Mens club tea [15:29] \o/ now 4 thinkpads on this table [15:29] gord: is it pg you want or a different type [15:30] bigcalm: you can get imported teas, but the hotels tend to only have crap like liptons [15:30] I'm going to tesco later to do some shopping [15:30] Pendulum: ew :( [15:30] popey: any requests? [15:30] liptons is FOUL [15:30] * awilkins votes for Yorkshire, but has no stake in the matter [15:30] added to that USA doesn't boil their water it's barely luke warm, makes for an awful cuppa tea [15:30] Pendulum: herrrro [15:31] czajkowski: that's just because of hotels putting out water and then leaving it rather than having kettles out to boil it constantly. if you go other places it's boiled properly [15:31] finding actual milk is often a struggle also... [15:31] popey: if I have the energy, do you want me to see what I can find in SF today or tomorrow and bring it out to you? [15:31] czajkowski: hiya [15:32] * Pendulum happens to be in a hotel that actually has earl grey in the room this week \o/ [15:32] Pendulum: take it all with you [15:33] or digestives, whats a cup of tea without a digestive? [15:33] digestives are the hard part :( [15:33] bigcalm: I don't have that much. I'll drink it all [15:33] gord: oh yes dunking time [15:34] although there ought to be some place in SF that sells digestives [15:34] gord: are you also already over? [15:35] yeah [15:35] have you thought of asking any of the SF-area community folks if they know about where to procure proper tea and digestives [15:35] I would think there has to be at least one shop somewhere around [15:35] I'm sure they know the answer is the UK :D [15:36] i really only just got here, haven't even left the hotel to have a look about yet ;) [15:36] * bigcalm bangs his head against these error messages [15:36] or, you know http://www.britshoppe.com/ (hours not great for you folks, but I could try to get by and pick stuff up and bring it out since I'm about 2 BART stops from the hotel) [15:37] Silly PHP [15:37] Don't forget its the "Ask Mark" Open Week session tonight at 2100UTC, ususal classroom channel [15:37] oh, you're here gord? [15:37] * popey loks around [15:37] *looks [15:37] popey, yeah but not doing ps stuff until tomorrow, just working from hotel room unless someone needs me today [15:38] ok [15:38] hotel wifi is pants [15:38] popey, i see that bug is now High, Critical :D [15:38] the popey effect [15:38] its fine here :) its 200kb/s but thats basically what i get at home anyway [15:38] well, its fine now all of us are not on it anymore but on hte ubuntu wifi [15:38] :D [15:45] installing from universe complains "cannot authenticate packages"? [15:46] http://pastebin.com/D5DLFcHY << cannot install via software center. [15:46] anyone else have this? [15:46] i was installing qtnx [15:48] czajkowski: Don't know if you know anybody that this may apply to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17900220 [15:50] DJones: oh interesting, but don't know anyone up in NI [15:50] But may be handy to pass on to anybody thinking about university [15:50] true [15:51] oh, happy mailman day [15:51] Presumably it applies to anybody with an Irish passport whether North or South [15:51] Couldn't tell if the article was just highlighting the effect on Northern Ireland, or the overall situation [15:51] seems to highlight NI [15:52] I have an English passport and an Irish one [15:52] I just renewed my english one [15:52] not had one since I was 16 and had that since I was born [15:52] Having 2 is just greedy :) [15:52] entitled to them both :) [15:53] born in England, mum is Irish, dad is English, moved to .ie when I was 14 months old. lived here for 30 odd years [15:53] My cousin has Australia & Ireland (Lives in Australia, Father/grandparents are of Irish descent so he got the Irish one as it was easier to get into the US [15:54] in theory I can also get a polish one but not bothered about it tbh [15:54] dont really have any connection to there bar well of course my surname [16:25] DJones: surely an NI passport is a UK one? [16:26] you can get an Irish one too if you want to [16:27] yeah, but that's Irish, not NI [16:27] unless you mean there is an NI one [16:27] read the article :) [16:28] congratulations Laney :) [16:29] I love seeing the comings and goings from https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical [16:30] har de har [16:30]