[00:07] <rick_h_> finally getting around to setting up the colorhug
[00:07] <rick_h_> time to see if I can get this to work in awesome
[00:14] <rick_h_> man, this looks goofy
[00:14] <rick_h_> so red...but this is supposed to be all nice nad calibrated
[00:25] <rick_h_> cool, but at least I can init the color profiles from my awesome autostart
[00:38] <rick_h_> ok, this is cool NaCL stuff jrwren https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo
[00:48] <jrwren> did you see the nacl desktop stuff?
[00:48] <jrwren> oh wow, that is cool
[00:48] <jrwren> ty
[00:49] <jrwren> no key auth though, so I can't use it :[
[00:49] <jrwren> i'm sure it will get better
[00:50] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, didn't see anything nacl desktop stuff
[00:51] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, I used it for an internal machine I have login enabled and worked so cool
[00:56] <rick_h_> hmm, jrwren solorized on a light background in vim is looking kind of nice post-calibration
[00:57] <rick_h_> I might try this for the work day tomorrow
[00:57] <brousch> muahaha
[00:57] <brousch> i got one of the other panelists to "totally disagree" with me
[00:57] <rick_h_> lol
[00:57] <rick_h_> my training is complete :P
[00:57] <rick_h_> what did he disagree with?
[00:58] <brousch> separate mobile site vs mobile optimized version of full site
[00:58] <brousch> he wants separate sites, probably because  his company makes them
[00:58] <rick_h_> ah well of course if his company makes them
[00:58] <rick_h_> and it is true for the 'optimal experience' but just not in the budget for a lot of places
[00:59] <brousch> unsustainable
[00:59] <brousch> especially on android
[00:59] <brousch> i say make your website functional at every screen size
[01:00] <brousch> i don't give a crap about whether it looks native
[01:00] <jjesse> a lot of places still don't have a mobile friendly website
[01:00] <jjesse> and stupid rester aunts that make me download a pdf instead of showing me a menu
[01:00] <rick_h_> it takes $$ and effort
[01:01] <brousch> right, so a website that works with any mobile device is easier to do than trying to make an iphone version and an ipad version, and an android version that all look like native apps
[01:02] <brousch> you're making 1 website instead of dozens
[01:02] <brousch> jjesse: pdf menus suck
[01:02] <jjesse> yeah the make me not want to go to that place
[01:03] <brousch> i think mostly the issue was he was looking at it as a marketing guy with websites to sell and i was looking at it as a developer with 10,000 projects on my plate
[01:06] <brousch> but it was fun
[01:07] <rick_h_> very cool, congrats on doing that
[01:23] <rick_h_> ls
[01:24] <rick_h_> hmm, trying out different font combos wheeeeee
[01:40] <brousch> combos come in font flavors now?
[01:54] <snap-l> Yeah, there's Times Tamale, Arial Anchovies, and Georgia Garlic Toast.
[01:55] <brousch> i could go for the tamales
[01:56] <rick_h_> well, so far changed the color profile, the vim color scheme, gone light background with it, and now changing my monospace font for terminals/vim
[01:56] <rick_h_> so going to be an interesting work day tomorrow
[01:57] <Blazeix> uhoh. rick_h_ has gone off the deep end
[01:58] <jrwren> brousch: he was wrong, you were right. very simple
[01:58] <brousch> not yet, he's still using a fixed width font
[01:58] <rick_h_> well it's kind of crazy how different the color calibration has left things
[01:58] <rick_h_> hah
[01:59] <rick_h_> I'll bring the colorhub and livecd-usb to CHC this week and people can tinker with it
[01:59] <rick_h_> updated firmware and all that jazz
[02:01] <jrwren> brousch: a website shouldn't look native. it should look like a website, even on a mobile device.
[02:02] <jrwren> it should be readable.
[11:00] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:16] <rick_h_> morning
[12:25] <brousch> today i begin my VB.NET adventure
[12:26] <rick_h_> doh
[12:26] <rick_h_> good luck...and may it end in a hurry
[12:28] <brousch> i hope so. i think vb.net will go quicker since i'm converting a VBA application
[12:46] <brousch> bah, i can't do the migration. might as well use C#
[12:53] <shakes808> VB isn't bad, either is C#. :D
[12:53] <rick_h_> there you go, get shakes808 to do it for you. Trade him in python lessions :)
[12:53] <shakes808> :D
[12:53] <shakes808> lol
[12:55] <brousch> i still have a nagging itch to do this is ironpython
[12:56] <shakes808> What do you have to do again?
[12:56] <brousch> convert an autocad VBA application to dotnet
[12:57] <shakes808> Sounds like fun
[12:57] <shakes808> I remember now :D
[12:58] <brousch> this is the autocad dotnet api http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?id=773204&siteID=123112
[13:00] <shakes808> Not sure if you seen this but maybe this can help :D
[13:00] <shakes808> http://exchange.autodesk.com/autocad/enu/online-help/browse#WS73099cc142f48755-5c83e7b1120018de8c0-3c0.htm
[13:02] <brousch> yeah, i'm reading through that crap now
[13:02] <shakes808> lol
[13:05] <brousch> at least i get paid to read through it
[13:05] <snap-l> heh
[13:06] <shakes808> But you aren't absorbing it to remember it to work on it for future use. You should drag this project out for a month :) ;)
[13:07] <brousch> hoping it can be a set and forget it like the VBA app was. it basically just worked from 2004 - today
[13:07] <brousch> just a tiny tweak each year as autocad changed their api
[13:07] <shakes808> That would be nice
[13:08] <shakes808> What do you do that you use AutoCAD?
[13:08] <brousch> we have 4 draftsmen
[13:08] <brousch> the company i work for makes steel stairs and railings
[13:09] <shakes808> That's cool
[13:09] <shakes808> You are on the West Side of the state, correct?
[13:09] <brousch> this vba application talks to our inventory and unit price system so the part descriptions on drawings match what's in the unit price file
[13:09] <brousch> yes
[13:09] <shakes808> Do you do residential?
[13:10] <brousch> rarely. we're commercial/industrial
[13:18] <shakes808> gotchya
[13:20] <brousch> detroit jobs: blue cross/blue shield + parking ramp, Great Lakes Crossing Mall, Providence Medical Center, Cranbrook Art Academy, Canton Performing Arts Center, MGM Grand Hotel and Casino, Greektown Casino, WSU Medical Education Commons, Detroit Metro Airport, The Argonaut Building, Martin Luther King Sr/Jr high School, Mackenzie K-8 School, many more
[13:20] <brousch> so pretty much any steel stairs, steel or aluminum railings in those buildings were built by us
[13:20] <snap-l> brousch: Thinking of moving? :)
[13:21] <brousch> no thanks
[13:21] <snap-l> Oh c'mon, you'd love it here. :)
[13:21] <brousch> i just find it fun to look around and see the things we've made
[13:21] <snap-l> Yeah
[13:21] <brousch> i could live in ann arbor
[13:21] <rick_h_> hey, haven't you heard, quicken is hiring 1000 people. Come live in detroit
[13:21] <brousch> i don't think i could live east of it
[13:22] <brousch> i'm sure quicken loans would make me write C# all the time
[13:22] <snap-l> brousch: Check the map. East of Ann Arbor is not "Amalgamated suburbs of shithole"
[13:22] <brousch> it is in my mind
[13:22] <rick_h_> I'm with brousch, I'd like to be able to move out at AA :)
[13:23] <brousch> there is the shithole surrounded by klingons
[13:23] <shakes808> rick_h_: did you complete your 12 steps? ;)
[13:23] <rick_h_> shakes808: step 12...move to AA, nope... :(
[13:24] <brousch> one of my future projects is a google map showing all of our projects for the last 15 years. that will be fun
[13:25] <shakes808> lol
[13:38] <snap-l> cd
[13:38] <snap-l> bah
[13:41] <brousch> rm -rf /
[13:41] <brousch> bah
[13:48] <brousch> so a wierd thing with newegg. i ordered that SSD for home and then i ordered another one along with a bunch of other stuff for work later in the day. the work one arrived yesterday via UPS. the home one has been sent from ups to the post office for delivery and hasn't arrived yet
[13:48] <snap-l> newegg is a little wonky on shipping
[13:49] <snap-l> I wonder if it's certain warehouses have different arrangements.
[13:49] <brousch> work and home are in the same city, 4 miles apart
[13:52] <brousch> http://www.newegg.com/Info/TrackOrder.aspx?TrackingNumber=9102900006022107572409
[13:52] <brousch> "Transferred to UPS Mail Innovations Destination RPF"
[13:52] <brousch> i think the UPS mail innovation center is the USPS
[13:54] <brousch> and consider this: the one that arrived yesterday originated in CA. the one not yet here came from NJ
[13:54] <brousch> wtf
[13:54] <rick_h_> prime ftw! snap-l I join the squeezebox club today
[13:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: Awesome!
[13:55] <rick_h_> So now I know why you're missing CHC, to avoid my raving question list tomorrow :P
[13:55] <snap-l> Hah, no, that's not it
[13:55] <snap-l> figured I'd get it tonight anyway. :)
[13:55] <brousch> oh yeah, good segment on the squeezebox on lococast
[13:55] <snap-l> brousch: Awesome.
[13:56] <snap-l> brousch: Thinking of getting one?
[13:56] <brousch> not really
[13:56] <rick_h_> join the cult brousch !
[13:56] <snap-l> brousch: All are welcome. :)
[13:56] <brousch> at home we all like different music
[13:56] <brousch> the few songs we all like are reserved for road trips so we don't wear them out
[13:56] <snap-l> brousch: That's fine. One for each room
[13:57] <snap-l> then have a centralized server
[13:57] <brousch> heh
[13:57] <snap-l> It'll handle it
[13:57] <snap-l> Ugh, I hate it when WRCJ plays more contemporary classical aka showtunes
[13:57] <brousch> my son threw a fit this morning because i listened to neil degrass tyson on the radio instead of the crazy frog CD. i'm going to disown him
[13:57] <snap-l> I don't want to send in the slowns
[13:58] <snap-l> clowns, either.
[13:58] <rick_h_> heh, we've not done much with his own cds yet. So far I've gotten only requests for "BB King"
[13:58] <snap-l> Starting him off right, I see
[13:59] <snap-l> "dada floyd. FLOOOOYD
[13:59] <rick_h_> heck yea
[13:59] <shakes808> WRCJ is only good at night :D
[13:59] <shakes808> :D
[13:59] <snap-l> shy on you caysy di mun
[14:00] <snap-l> shakes808: I like it both
[14:00] <devinheitmueller> Neil Degrass Tyson for president!
[14:00] <snap-l> save for showtunes
[14:00] <shakes808> lol
[14:00] <snap-l> more of a classical classical fan
[14:00] <brousch> devinheitmueller++
[14:00] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Amen
[14:01] <shakes808> If I am going to listen to classical or classical-esck, 2 cellos or Trikofski
[14:01] <shakes808> and the cliche Ludy or Bach
[14:01] <snap-l> Tchaikovsky?
[14:01] <shakes808> Thats it
[14:01] <shakes808> :D
[14:02] <snap-l> Yeah, though I've been going on a major Rachmaninov kick lately
[14:02] <snap-l> As well as Shostakovich, Prokofiev, and Mussorgsky
[14:02] <snap-l> (sp)
[14:02] <shakes808> More contemp and energetic, Barrage
[14:02] <shakes808> :D
[14:03] <shakes808> Violins
[14:03] <shakes808> :D
[14:03] <snap-l> I blame russian folk metal
[14:03] <shakes808> lol
[14:03] <rick_h_> folk metal?
[14:03]  * rick_h_ runs and hides from the idea
[14:03] <shakes808> Folk, need some Bella Fleck or Johnny Pecon
[14:03] <shakes808> ... I guess Johnny is polka
[14:04] <shakes808> I consider that Folk at times lol
[14:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a94940/kukushkiny-djeti or http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a94955/vjedma
[14:05] <snap-l> Probably more the second link
[14:05] <shakes808> lol
[14:05] <shakes808> nice
[14:06] <snap-l> See also: Finntroll
[14:06] <snap-l> Eluveitie
[14:07] <snap-l> end Ensiferum
[14:07] <shakes808> snap-l or rick_h_: did you ever take a look at the pygame I made?
[14:08] <snap-l> shakes808: I did. There were no enemies to shoot at. :)
[14:08] <shakes808> ?
[14:08] <shakes808> there should have been
[14:08] <snap-l> They never showed up
[14:08] <shakes808> huh
[14:08] <shakes808> Was there the main sprite?
[14:09] <snap-l> Yeah, I could shoot and everything
[14:09] <snap-l> just no enemies
[14:10] <shakes808> I will have to check it out. I will have it tomorrow for the CHC
[14:11] <snap-l> shakes808: I won't be there, unfortunatly
[14:11] <snap-l> have a graduation to attend
[14:11] <shakes808> :(
[14:11] <shakes808> ok
[14:11] <shakes808> Looks like I will be bothering rick_h_ for the most part lol
[14:11] <shakes808> I might have a buddy come with me to check it out.
[14:12] <shakes808> he was going to be a programmer and now he is kind of out of it and running cable for a company for the past few years
[14:13] <shakes808> Sorry rick_h_
[14:15] <rick_h_> shakes808: no, don't know much pygame stuff so didn't peek at it
[14:15] <rick_h_> feel free to bring it along to CHC
[14:16] <shakes808> I would like to find that mem leak, if that is what is causing the horrendous lg
[14:16] <shakes808> lag
[14:16] <shakes808> I would play the crap out of that game :D
[14:16] <shakes808> and I would like to improve it
[14:16] <snap-l> shakes808: Yeah, I wasn't able to reproduce, and didn't take a closer look at it
[14:16] <shakes808> With Python on the web, could I have that game up on a .com?
[14:16] <snap-l> eh?
[14:16] <shakes808> I will try to figure out where the enemy sprites are
[14:17] <shakes808> snap-l: what would I use to get that on the web? NOT FLASH. There is a game www.realmofthemadgod.com
[14:18] <rick_h_> mmmm, faster ubuntu installs http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/01/verbatim-outs-a-new-line-of-colorful-speedy-and-affordable-usb-3-0-flash-drives/
[14:18] <shakes808> I think it is flash based, haven't right clicked on it lol
[14:18] <rick_h_> shakes808: no, it needs to get to a browser and a browser just knows how to do JS, canvas, or whatever plugins are installed (flash, etc)
[14:18] <shakes808> there isn't a plugin for Py yet?
[14:19] <shakes808> How hard is it to make a plugin?
[14:19] <shakes808> :D
[14:19] <rick_h_> nothing I'd consider stable/useful that I know of
[14:20] <brousch> ironpython via silverlight
[14:20] <brousch> good luck with that
[14:21] <shakes808> lol I didn't say I was going to do it :D I don't know enough of that atm. But it could be something to look in to :D
[14:30] <brousch> hm, i think i could also write this application in AutoLISP
[14:39] <snap-l> brousch: If pressed for learning a language from scratch, I'd probably choose lisp over vb.net
[14:40] <snap-l> but lisp is not a RAD language. ;)
[14:40] <snap-l> (yeah, I went there)
[14:40] <shakes808> lol
[14:47] <brousch> it looks like it has very limited or no windows forms capabilities, so autolisp is out
[14:47] <brousch> i can't do the conversion, so VB.NET has no advantage for me over C#
[14:47] <brousch> so back to C# i go
[14:48] <brousch> i wrote a tiny C#/Gtk# app many years ago
[14:48] <devinheitmueller> wow, several hundred protesters in front of my building, and dozens of cops....
[14:49] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: told you they'd come for you eventually
[14:49] <devinheitmueller> heh.
[14:49] <devinheitmueller> The cost of working for an evil corporation, I guess.
[14:49] <devinheitmueller> ... or perhaps it's because I work a block from Fox news.  Not sure.  :-/
[14:51] <brousch> devinheitmueller: which evil corp are you a slave to?
[14:51] <devinheitmueller> One of those software companies that sells enterprise software to banks, oil companies, and other large corporations.
[14:52] <devinheitmueller> I'm kidding of course - they aren't here for my company - they were just walking by (presumably on their way to Fox)
[14:53] <brousch> heh
[14:58] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: I'm sure it's for Fox
[15:40] <snap-l> http://slashdot.org/topic/bi/
[15:40] <snap-l> shared without comment
[15:43] <snap-l> however, I just removed slashdot from my feeds.
[15:44] <rick_h_> whoa, gone all new delicious there
[15:46] <snap-l> Yeah, I wretched.
[15:49] <brousch> hurts my mind
[15:49] <brousch> at least i'm not the only one who hates these graphics-filled panel things
[15:50] <brousch> looks like windows phone 8
[16:15] <rick_h_> https://github.com/blog/1114-github-drinkup-in-ann-arbor-mi
[16:15] <rick_h_> hmmmm....
[16:23] <snap-l> That's during Michipug. :)
[16:23] <rick_h_> yea, and still a school night and all that
[16:23] <rick_h_> but always wanted to check out a github meetup
[16:24] <snap-l> Yeah, no doubt.
[16:25] <brousch> ours was a just standing around talking with geeks drinking beer
[16:25] <brousch> drop in when you want, leave when you want
[16:25] <brousch> so i suggest you go to michipug then hit the drinkup afterwards ;)
[16:25] <brousch> hey, brandon keepers is our github guy. give him back!
[16:26] <rick_h_> hah
[16:27] <brousch> time for my annual physical where the doctor will tell me to eat less and exercise more
[16:28] <snap-l> Maybe it'll be reversed?
[16:36] <shakes808> mmm beer
[16:36] <shakes808> :D
[16:37] <shakes808> Dragon Mead is where it is at :D
[16:44] <greg-g> bad idea to do precise upgrade first thing when getting to the office, or best idea?
[16:44] <rick_h_> best idea evar!
[16:44] <rick_h_> you get the rest of the day to enjoy it
[16:44] <greg-g> that's what I thought, the added bandwidth benefit is great, too
[16:44] <rick_h_> definitely
[17:10] <greg-g> configuring libc-bin............ and thus it begins.
[17:11] <greg-g> no turning back now
[17:12] <greg-g> ugh, it was stuck waiting for me to respond to a question, didn't see it in the GUI updater
[17:12] <greg-g> had to expand the terminal tab
[17:12] <snap-l> I hate that
[17:38] <rick_h_> hmm, wonder how this will effect skype going forward: http://goo.gl/qIU0G
[17:50] <_stink_> finger memory is a bastard
[17:50] <_stink_> i'm trying to get back to hjkl for cursor movement in vim
[17:50] <_stink_> and i keep reaching for the arrow keys
[17:50] <_stink_> arg
[17:52] <rick_h_> doh, turn them off
[17:53] <_stink_> good idea.
[17:53] <rick_h_> it's how I got off ctrl-c
[17:53] <rick_h_> made it a nop
[17:53] <_stink_> well you wouldn't like to hear that i... just reach for esc.
[17:54] <rick_h_> yea, that's too far for me, drives me nuts
[17:54] <rick_h_> ctrl-c was easy, jj is better
[17:55] <shakes808> rick_h_: you and your shortcut keys lol
[17:55] <rick_h_> hey, every second used 100x a day for 250 days a year...means a lot more work and less wear/tear on my hands/wrists
[17:55] <rick_h_> I'm in this business for the long haul
[17:56] <rick_h_> and shakes808 you've not seen anything yet: https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc
[17:56] <rick_h_> and adding: alias color_dock="/usr/bin/dispwin -d 1 /home/rharding/.icc/DellU2212HM.icc && /usr/bin/dispwin -d 2 /home/rhardin    g/.icc/DellP2211H.icc"
[17:56] <rick_h_> wheee
[18:01] <shakes808> HA HA those are all your shortcut keys lol
[18:01] <rick_h_> shakes808: the vimrc? they're a start of the custom ones
[18:02] <rick_h_> it's a bit out of date
[18:02] <rick_h_> and that's jut vim
[18:02] <rick_h_> just that is
[18:02] <shakes808> and you remember all of them?
[18:02] <rick_h_> usually :)
[18:03] <shakes808> That is nuts
[18:03] <shakes808> lol
[18:03] <rick_h_> sometimes if I don't use things I've got to look them up, but I have shortcut for my vimrc ,V so I can see the doc really fast
[18:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: Hm, so Skype just became a telco
[18:04] <shakes808> rick_h_: Obi Wan Ricknobi teach me your ways lol
[18:04] <snap-l> centralized servers == better tapping capabilities.
[18:04] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, their big selling point kind of interesting
[18:12] <brousch> shakes808: your first python lesson is to stand behind rick_h_ for an hour as he codes
[18:12] <greg-g> man, this upgrade is total fail
[18:12] <greg-g> oneiric -> precise, X died mid-way through installation
[18:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: really?
[18:12] <greg-g> rebooted, couldn't login to gnome, had to aptitude dist-upgrade a few times (with restarts inbetween)
[18:12] <greg-g> I'm mosh'ing via tty2 (tty1 is dist-upgrading right now)
[18:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: :/
[18:12] <greg-g> also, I had to kill the apt-package-download process to get past a not-finishing download of flash via canonical's servers
[18:13] <greg-g> hopefully there are some useful logs at the end of this for a bug report
[18:13] <greg-g> Current status: 0 updates [-566]
[18:13] <greg-g> hopefully that is a good sign
[18:14] <greg-g> brb, wish me luck
[18:14] <shakes808> brousch: sounds good ... but I believe he sees the lady in the red dress. I am not that 733t yet
[18:20] <brousch> no, he creates the lady in the red dress
[18:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: https://developers.google.com/speed/articles/spdy-for-mobile
[18:21] <greg-g> well, I have a functioning desktop, but shortcut keys, even though they are set in the gnome-settings thingy, aren't working :/
[18:22] <rick_h_> well, better than it could be I suppose
[18:23] <greg-g> yeah, I might be able to get through the rest of the day, but damnit, I have no time at night to fuck with this
[18:23] <greg-g> I get home, I eat dinner, then take care of rowan and go to bed
[18:23] <greg-g> fucking 2 hours of commuting every day
[18:23]  * greg-g is a little peeved, sorry
[18:24] <rick_h_> greg-g: understand man, 2hr commute is killer
[18:29] <brousch> ouch
[18:29] <brousch> driving commute?
[18:30] <brousch> i actually wouldn't mind 2 hours by train with internet
[18:31] <greg-g> oh that's fucking great, Canonical/Unity dicks. My short cut keys work in Unity (non-standard, I set them) but not in gnome-shell. Why the fuck?
[18:31] <brousch> probably more about lack of testing and support than dicks ;)
[18:31] <greg-g> remember all those kind of not nice things I said about Ubuntu's handling of gnome-shell? Well, I'm going to make them even more not nice now.
[18:32] <brousch> actually i have no recollection of those things
[18:33] <greg-g> a blog post where I "debated" with jono re gnome-shell dicking (not just lack of support, but outright disabling/adding bugs)
[18:34] <greg-g> it was my UbuntuOne on Debian post
[18:34] <greg-g> I'm about ready to jump ship completely
[18:36]  * brousch breaks out the blue hair dye
[18:36]  * brousch and the blue beard dye
[18:38] <greg-g> brousch: I don't have time to fiddle with all those KDE buttons ;)
[18:38] <greg-g> #notatroll
[18:38] <brousch> bah, takes me like 5 minutes to fix some colors and buttons
[18:42]  * rick_h_ talks greg-g down off the ledge
[18:45] <greg-g> rick_h_: :) I need it, man. in 11.10 it was just one niggle, mostly. Now it is my ability to use shortcut key combos. It has basically made gnome-shell anemic.
[18:45] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, sorry. I don't know how shortcut keys are handled between things
[18:45] <greg-g> unless, of course, something got ef'd up with my crazy upgrade process with the X crash :)
[18:45] <greg-g> I'll hope for that for now :)
[18:45] <rick_h_> I can't imagine, I guess clear the .gnome dir and try again?
[18:46] <rick_h_> whatever the reset command is these days, I think there's a unit reset
[18:46] <rick_h_> is there such a thing for gnome3?
[18:46] <rick_h_> greg-g: hit up askubuntu
[18:46] <rick_h_> I'm trying to think, I know I saw some people blog posting running gnome3 on ubuntu with precise but coming up blank
[18:46] <rick_h_> and obviously didn't mention shortcut keys
[18:48] <snap-l> greg-g: You could also create a new user and see if it clears up
[18:48] <greg-g> yeah, I'll mess with it later, I have a webinar to attend right now ;) (oh the joy)
[18:48] <greg-g> snap-l: good test, will do.
[18:48] <snap-l> and then move things about if it clears up
[18:48] <rick_h_> yea, good point snap-l, night lightweight way to see
[18:49] <snap-l> at the very least it'll put blame in the right box. :)
[18:51] <greg-g> right right
[18:51]  * greg-g calms down
[18:51] <rick_h_> greg-g: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/965921
[18:52] <greg-g> oh fuck me
[18:53] <rick_h_> greg-g: so sounds like system install is ok, but that there's a known issue with this due to the changes in gnome3/unity around those shortcuts
[18:53] <snap-l> I'd still try the new user approach
[18:53] <snap-l> are you running Unity 2D?
[18:54] <rick_h_> he's running gnome3 that's the issue if I understand correctly
[18:54] <greg-g> right
[18:54] <greg-g> right now I'm in Unity 3D because I was paralyzed without my shortcuts in gnome-shell
[18:54] <snap-l> Ah, first read lead me to believe it was Unity 2D that was causing the problem.
[18:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, sounds like know issue you can follow with some pita suggested work arounds for now :(
[18:54] <rick_h_> known that is
[18:54] <greg-g> yeah, weee
[18:55] <rick_h_> :/
[18:55] <greg-g> "importance: low" yep, screw you gnome-shell users
[18:55] <greg-g> ok, I'll stop and calm down
[18:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, sucks. In defense of the guys it's driven by a change in gnome shell partly
[18:56] <rick_h_> will be fixed in 12.10 :) incentive to beta it up hehe
[18:57] <greg-g> except they saw it coming, since they had to patch the old system to work with Unity going forward since the functionality went away
[18:58] <rick_h_> greg-g: well april 17th is mentioned, not sure what the official timeline is
[18:58] <rick_h_> that is kind of late for changes/getting things in
[18:58] <greg-g> reported march 26th
[18:58] <rick_h_> again, obviously a biased canonical employee not using either so don't listen to me
[18:58] <greg-g> and an earlier one on 3/23
[18:58] <greg-g> :)
[18:59] <rick_h_> greg-g: ah, missed that. Just going off the stuff in the ticket my bad
[18:59] <greg-g> :) no worries
[19:03] <krondor> so (what was|was there) concensus?  rbenv or rvm for ruby environments?
[19:03] <krondor> google has me thinking rbenv
[19:05] <rick_h_> krondor: I think so as well but checking out on twitter for you
[19:07] <rick_h_> hmmm, hourly says it's supposed to be 60, current weather says it's 53
[19:12] <rick_h_> krondor: yea, so that verifies what I thought, rbenv ftw
[19:14] <brousch> wrong. nothing ruby can be ftw
[19:15] <brousch> it may only be ftnl
[19:15] <rick_h_> hah
[19:15] <krondor> nice, thanks for checking.  I'll settle with ftnl
[19:16] <rick_h_> yea, for some reason I follow a big chunk of the ruby OH community
[19:16] <rick_h_> so get to watch their convos on twitter all the time
[19:17] <brousch> OH?
[19:20] <Blazeix> observation helicopter.
[19:21] <rick_h_> brousch: ohio, lots of ruby folks been to things like codemash/pyohio
[19:22] <rick_h_> ok, time for a bike ride, hoped it would warm up but oh well
[19:23] <brousch> it's plenty warm
[19:46] <brousch> ug, an old dreamhost account got infected by some php crapware
[19:48] <snap-l> Lovely
[19:48] <snap-l> Shared hosting?
[19:51] <brousch> of course
[19:52] <brousch> and it was crap that was supposedly deleted long ago through the dreamhost control panel
[20:34] <shakes808> rick_h_: for CHC tomorrow, is the parking free or are the meters going to be operational? Or do you know where free parking is?
[20:34] <rick_h_> there's free parking in front and behind the caribou
[20:34] <shakes808> sweet
[20:49] <shakes808> rick_h_: when is the MUG group get together
[20:49] <shakes808> ?
[20:49] <Blazeix> second tuesday of every month
[20:49] <rick_h_> shakes808: second tues of the month, 6:30pm
[20:49] <shakes808> alrght
[20:50] <rick_h_> snap-l: so next tues
[20:50] <shakes808> I can't find the website :(
[20:50] <Blazeix> shakes808: http://www.mug.org/
[20:50] <shakes808> thank you
[20:50] <rick_h_> what he said
[20:50] <shakes808> That's what I put in and said domain didn't exist
[20:50] <shakes808> lol
[20:50] <shakes808> ....
[20:50] <shakes808> .com
[20:50] <shakes808> :*(
[20:51] <shakes808> Who is a moron?
[20:51] <shakes808> <- this guy
[20:57] <shakes808> alright
[20:57] <shakes808> <- this moron is going home. You all have a good night :D
[21:45] <greg-g> also, what the hell is this, why is my mouse so sticky when going from one monitor to the other (when going over the Unity bar/thingy)
[21:46] <jrwren> greg-g: jcastro linked to a fix for that a few days ago.
[21:46] <jrwren> its an ON/OFF button in display settings
[21:47] <greg-g> jrwren: it is still way to sticky (thanks, found that setting)
[21:48] <greg-g> my mouse is paused there at the border for about half a second
[21:56] <greg-g> rick_h_: did you have to change anything to use notmuch+mutt? I'm getting a PERL compilation warning/failure when trying to invoke search
[21:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: I had to install the perl bits again and some cpan stuff I think
[21:56] <rick_h_> making dinner right now, but can check/get some notes later tonight
[21:57] <greg-g> rick_h_: hmmm, weird.. it seems to want a perl maildir package, I thought it was in the repos before, can't find it. /me goes to cpan, maybe