| TheMue | morning | 06:45 |
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| TheMue | davecheney: Welcome to the team. | 06:46 |
| davecheney | hey there! | 06:46 |
| TheMue | davAlready officially started or has it been the 01.06.? | 06:47 |
| TheMue | davecheney: Oops, forgotten to press tab. ;) | 06:47 |
| davecheney | yes, i started on the 1st | 06:48 |
| === mthaddon` is now known as mthaddon | ||
| fwereade | heya wrtp | 07:50 |
| wrtp | fwereade: mornin'! | 07:50 |
| TheMue | fwereade, wrtp: Morning | 07:52 |
| fwereade | morning TheMue | 07:52 |
| wrtp | TheMue: yo! | 07:52 |
| TheMue | fwereade, wrtp: Will be funny in future, Dave just left the channel. | 07:53 |
| wrtp | TheMue: yeah, big time difference... | 07:53 |
| wrtp | TheMue: has he started now? | 07:53 |
| TheMue | wrtp: Yes, yesterday. | 07:53 |
| fwereade | where's he based? | 07:53 |
| wrtp | fwereade: oz | 07:54 |
| * TheMue is preparing his 12.04 upgrade. | 07:55 | |
| wrtp | TheMue: i did mine yesterday | 08:06 |
| wrtp | TheMue: it was *not* hassle-free! | 08:06 |
| wrtp | TheMue: but it finally worked | 08:06 |
| TheMue | wrtp: Tell me more (while my backup is running). | 08:07 |
| wrtp | TheMue: well, i set the upgrade process working. it got most of the way through, but at some point everything went blank. the machine wasn't down (i could switch to a terminal) but the window system was dead. | 08:17 |
| wrtp | TheMue: then the recovery console came up, but i couldn't log in, so i tried "shutdown now" in a terminal, which hung, so i had to do a hard power down | 08:17 |
| wrtp | TheMue: when i rebooted, all the installation process was borked half way through (the mouse didn't work and the resolution was about 640x480). then i had to run "apt-get install -f" and another command, which finally completed the installation, but again shutdown didn't work and i had to hard power down. | 08:19 |
| wrtp | TheMue: after that, it seems to work. | 08:19 |
| wrtp | TheMue: oh yes, when installing packages, it hung for an hour or two until i realised that i had to click on "Terminal" in the upgrade manager and press return to get through an interactive bit. | 08:20 |
| TheMue | wrtp: Aha, good hints. So I'll see what happens here. | 08:20 |
| fwereade | TheMue, wrtp: yeah, that "terminal" business was annoying; I started my upgrade just before going out for the night | 08:25 |
| wrtp | fwereade: (yorkshire voice) it's a bloody disgrace! | 08:26 |
| wrtp | fwereade: honestly, if i'd been a naive user, my install would've failed there. i wonder what my neighbour did... | 08:27 |
| TheMue | Hehe. | 08:27 |
| Aram | moin. | 09:01 |
| TheMue | wrtp: So far it looks like everything worked fine here. | 09:13 |
| wrtp | TheMue: cool, have you rebooted into precise then? | 09:14 |
| TheMue | wrtp: Yes, looks good so far. First a bit higher load, but now it's ok. | 09:14 |
| wrtp | TheMue: guess it's just my machine then | 09:15 |
| wrtp | TheMue: or my malign influence | 09:15 |
| TheMue | wrtp: There are enough influencing factors. | 09:16 |
| TheMue | wrtp: But you have to know that my Ubuntu runs in a VM, so always an optimal environment. | 09:17 |
| wrtp | TheMue: i didn't know that. what do you run it inside? | 09:18 |
| TheMue | wrtp: My machine is a MacBook Pro, and Ubuntu runs very good in VMware Fusion. | 09:18 |
| TheMue | wrtp: The Mac is large enough, i7-2720 and 8 Gig, so I can spend the half to Ubuntu. ;) | 09:19 |
| wrtp | TheMue: ah, i thought you were using an ubuntu laptop. i guess you just didn't want to bring a mac laptop to a canonical event :-) | 09:19 |
| TheMue | wrtp: I've been Apple user for a longer time now. Then I tried a Dell (you've seen it in January) but never really been happy with it. So I switched back. | 09:20 |
| wrtp | TheMue: carmen has stolen my macbook now :-) | 09:21 |
| TheMue | wrtp: Hehe, intelligent wife. | 09:21 |
| === chuck_ is now known as zul | ||
| wrtp | fwereade: you've got a review | 13:30 |
| wrtp | fwereade: you might wanna have a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/6145043/ | 13:30 |
| fwereade | wrtp, tyvm | 13:30 |
| fwereade | wrtp, btw, um, a review for what? | 13:31 |
| wrtp | fwereade: https://codereview.appspot.com/6163044/ | 13:32 |
| fwereade | wrtp, thanks (sorry, mail just arrived) | 13:32 |
| fwereade | wrtp, LGTM | 13:36 |
| wrtp | fwereade: thanks | 13:36 |
| * TheMue is happy to see that his Sublime Text works fine with HUD | 13:41 | |
| * wrtp will probably never use the HUD except when he hits "Alt" by mistake... | 13:41 | |
| * wrtp ordered a new phone this morning. indulgent i am. | 13:42 | |
| fwereade | wrtp, cool, what are you getting? | 13:44 |
| wrtp | fwereade: HTC One S | 13:44 |
| fwereade | wrtp, oo, shiny :) | 13:44 |
| wrtp | fwereade: am a little concerned about battery life and it's annoying it won't take an extra SD card, but looks fairly good otherwise. it was a snap decision, might be a bad one! | 13:45 |
| fwereade | wrtp, objectively, everything you can possibly buy it crap: consider your decision a blow against the confusopoly | 13:45 |
| wrtp | fwereade: serves me right for not doing full research before calling vodafone ("we've got a good deal for you but only if you choose NOW") | 13:46 |
| fwereade | wrtp, grar | 13:46 |
| wrtp | fwereade: yeah. every phone i've ever got has been a snap decision. and i've mostly been happy (that nokia thing was dreadful though) | 13:46 |
| wrtp | fwereade: yeah, i do hate it when they do that. and maybe her "i'll just go and speak to my manager" was code for "i'll just put you on hold for a couple of minutes and then give you the standard deal"... | 13:47 |
| TheMue | wrtp: You don't think they talk to their manager especially for you? (wonder) | 13:49 |
| wrtp | TheMue: well, i *think* she probably did, 'cos she seemed quite reasonable and informed etc, but you just can't tell. | 13:50 |
| TheMue | Reminds me when we bought our kitchen. To get the optimal deal she had to talk to her manager too. Afterwards you smelled the cigarette smoke, she just made a pause. | 13:51 |
| TheMue | The listed prices for kitchens here are almost always about the double of the price you can negotiate. | 13:52 |
| wrtp | TheMue: yeah. not sure if that's true for IKEA though. | 13:54 |
| TheMue | wrtp: No, there it isn't. | 13:54 |
| TheMue | wrtp: But regular IKEA prices and negotiated trading prices are almoste the same. We designed our kitchen with the IKEA design application and got a part and price list. But then they changed the front design, so we took a look at a different trader (with that list in our hand). | 13:56 |
| TheMue | wrtp: And we got a better kitchen for almost the same price (including delivery and installation). | 13:57 |
| wrtp | TheMue: interesting. we're quite happy with our ikea kitchen actually. carmen spent long hours with that pretty crappy design app. i think she ended up with 19 possible versions! | 13:58 |
| TheMue | wrtp: Hehe, indeed, a crappy app. I also needed some time to enter Carmen and my ideas. | 13:59 |
| TheMue | Aaaaargh! | 14:28 |
| TheMue | Enjoyed working on the veranda so far. Now a neighbor started his lawnmower. | 14:29 |
| fwereade | wrtp, TheMue: the hook commands which produce output default to a "smart" mode which basically just (python) str()s the result | 14:41 |
| fwereade | wrtp, TheMue: any thoughts on what we should be doing there? | 14:41 |
| wrtp | fwereade: is smart mode intended for readability or program parseability? | 14:41 |
| fwereade | wrtp: if it were meant to be parseable, I'd expect a repr() | 14:42 |
| fwereade | wrtp, but frankly str() of a big dict ain't all that readable itself | 14:42 |
| wrtp | fwereade: i suppose that we should really produce an identical version because people will be parsing the result and using in scripts | 14:43 |
| fwereade | wrtp, so... I have no idea what the point is really :( | 14:43 |
| wrtp | fwereade: but if it was up to me i'd provide a way to produce JSON ouput | 14:43 |
| fwereade | wrtp, that's already there | 14:43 |
| TheMue | wrtp: +1 | 14:43 |
| fwereade | wrtp, I have a lurking suspicion that nobody uses the default output mode for anything at all | 14:44 |
| wrtp | fwereade: it would be nice to be able to grep across all known charms... | 14:44 |
| fwereade | wrtp, hmm, does charmtools getall (or whatever it is) still work, I wonder | 14:44 |
| wrtp | fwereade: thing is, it's never going to be used interactively, so there's no really use for a pretty output AFAICS | 14:46 |
| fwereade | wrtp, well, there's always debug-hooks | 14:46 |
| wrtp | fwereade: ah, i'd forgotten about that | 14:46 |
| fwereade | wrtp, but I did indeed always wonder just how smart the "smart" formatting really was | 14:46 |
| wrtp | fwereade: it would be nice to do something that actually looks decent. but not if it breaks charms - i don't think it would be worth it for that. | 14:47 |
| fwereade | wrtp, well, the worry is that I'll end up sidetracking myself into writing "encodings/python_useless" | 14:48 |
| fwereade | effectively | 14:48 |
| wrtp | fwereade: yeah, i totally see that | 14:48 |
| wrtp | fwereade: i'd ignore it for now | 14:48 |
| wrtp | fwereade: it can be one of the last things we do before "feature parity" probably. | 14:49 |
| fwereade | wrtp, hmm, that sounds like a good idea to me | 14:49 |
| fwereade | wrtp, cheers :) | 14:49 |
| wrtp | fwereade: np | 14:49 |
| wrtp | fwereade: i was just contemplating the checkContext method | 15:57 |
| fwereade | wrtp, oh yes? | 15:57 |
| fwereade | wrtp, feels a touch clunky to me, improvements welcome :) | 15:57 |
| wrtp | fwereade: i wonder if it might be better to have newX functions to create commands. | 15:58 |
| wrtp | fwereade: then they can check the context for themselves | 15:58 |
| fwereade | wrtp, hmm, maybe... I can't really tell which is better tbh | 15:59 |
| fwereade | morning niemeyer | 15:59 |
| wrtp | e.g. func NewConfigGetCommand(ctx *Context) (cmd.Command, error) | 16:00 |
| wrtp | niemeyer: hiya | 16:00 |
| wrtp | fwereade: then all the commands could go into a table... | 16:00 |
| fwereade | wrtp, sorry, expand a little there? | 16:01 |
| niemeyer | fwereade, wrtp: Heya! | 16:01 |
| wrtp | fwereade: var commands = map[string]func(*Context)(cmd.Command, error) {"config-get": NewConfigGetCommand, etc...} | 16:02 |
| fwereade | wrtp, true, that's nice... I guess it saves a couple of lines of code :) | 16:02 |
| wrtp | fwereade: the table is static, so it's more obviously regular too, i think. | 16:03 |
| fwereade | wrtp, yeah | 16:03 |
| fwereade | wrtp, ok, SGTM | 16:03 |
| wrtp | fwereade: and it means the command type can go... for now :-) | 16:04 |
| fwereade | wrtp, I need to be off in a very short mo; I'll just -wip that and propose the followup, which should be independent | 16:04 |
| fwereade | wrtp, even better | 16:04 |
| fwereade | wrtp, cool | 16:04 |
| wrtp | fwereade: great | 16:04 |
| fwereade | g'night all, happy coding; would appreciate your thoughts on https://codereview.appspot.com/6165044 | 16:09 |
| wrtp | fwereade: g'night | 16:23 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: hey, whats the plan on landing strong ACL support in galapagos? I'd like to get it in sooner rather than later. | 17:36 |
| andrewsmedina | why does juju use local-hostname/public-hostname instead local-ipv4/public-ipv4 to get ip address metadata for ec2 provider? | 19:02 |
| niemeyer | andrewsmedina: Because the ec2 provider isn't the only one, and we may not have ipv4 for a machine | 19:04 |
| andrewsmedina | niemeyer: But, In the OpenStack, hostname is not always resolved | 19:07 |
| niemeyer | andrewsmedina: How's that an issue? | 19:07 |
| andrewsmedina | niemeyer: I'm using juju with openstack. And in my openstack setup I will use only private ips, with that hostnames, public ips, cant be resolved | 19:13 |
| niemeyer | andrewsmedina: How's that an issue? | 19:17 |
| niemeyer | andrewsmedina: IPs aren't resolved.. | 19:17 |
| niemeyer | andrewsmedina: Charms can just use the private address to intercommunicate | 19:18 |
| andrewsmedina | niemeyer: hmm | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | andrewsmedina: isn't it 'address'? | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | andrewsmedina: not "hostname" ? | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | So its expected that it may be a host name or an IP | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | andrewsmedina: most charms use private address to do almost everything anyway | 19:44 |
| andrewsmedina | SpamapS: nice, I will try use private address in my charms | 19:56 |
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