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bkerensajono: where is accomplishments code?00:50
jonobkerensa, you mean the system itself of the accomplishments collection?00:54
bkerensajono: Yeah... can I bzr branch it from somewhere or git clone? :)00:55
jonobkerensa, you mean the system itself of the accomplishments collection?00:55
bkerensayeah the system ^00:55
bkerensaI assume you have a source package?00:55
jonobkerensa, the daemon is at lp:ubuntu-accomplishments-daemon and the viewer is at lp:ubuntu-accomplishments-viewer00:55
bkerensaok thanks00:56
* bkerensa wants to hack for fun00:56
jonobkerensa, it would be cooler if you could write some accoms for the system00:56
jonothey are in lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments00:56
jonowe are really in need of those :-)00:57
bkerensajono: :P my python is not nearly ninja enough yet :)00:57
jonobkerensa, it is easier for you to write an accomplishment than hack on the system itself00:57
jonobelieve me :-)00:57
jonowriting an accomplishment just means knowing a little launchpadlib00:57
bkerensa>.<00:57
jonoand there are lots of example accomplishments in that branch00:57
bkerensaok00:57
jono:-)00:57
jonoI think you might find it more worthwhile00:57
bkerensawell then maybe I will gank some and see what I can do00:57
bkerensa;p00:57
jonobrb00:57
jonothanks!00:58
bkerensabbl00:58
bkerensajono: also looks like the Help section could use some improvement :P01:13
bkerensasample mallard files01:13
jonobkerensa, yeah we definitely need help with the help :-)01:38
akgranerIf anyone is around and wants to hang out with me on Air let me know I'll send you and invite02:02
akgranerI've made the hangout public so you should in theory be able to just join let me know if you can't02:03
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akgranerdoes anyone else have to re-set their sound settings *every* time they got to use hangouts02:38
bkerensajono: :D You didnt blog about your book starting to ship :P02:38
ScottLjcastro, i have slides and i'd really like to share them with you ;)02:58
jonobkerensa, it hasnt shipped yet :-)02:59
bkerensajono: yeah not to normal people but O'Reilly is already offering review copies :P04:37
jonobkerensa, oh cool :-)04:38
bkerensaYeah I look forward to reading it04:38
jonothanks bkerensa!04:38
bkerensajono: I hear there was a riot in Oakland today?04:41
bkerensadue to May Day04:41
jonobkerensa, I never heard anything about that04:46
jonooh reading now04:47
jonolol04:47
bkerensajono: apparently happened a few blocks from where UDS will be and they were using concussion grenades04:47
jonoI doubt it is that close04:47
jonocity center is not usually an area of trouble04:48
jonothere are may day disturbances all over the world04:48
jonoit will be fine by the time folks arriv04:48
jonoe04:48
bkerensayeah I figured the person who told me was confused04:48
bkerensa:D04:48
bkerensayeah just may day stuff04:48
mhall119bkerensa: jono: not a riot, but a march, right outside the hotel05:10
bkerensaLOL05:10
bkerensamhall119: maybe the flash bangs occurred elsewhere05:11
bkerensa:D05:11
mhall119maybe05:11
jonomhall119, lol05:11
bkerensaHuffpo has photos :)05:11
bkerensa:D05:11
jonohows are things there mhall119?05:11
jonowish I could have made it down05:11
jonobeen working to wrap some things up before my life is sucked up with meetings05:12
mhall119jono: good, just went out for some dinner, going ot crash early tonight05:14
jonomhall119, cool05:14
jonoI should be down at around 8.30/8.4005:14
mhall119hacking on summit some more :)05:15
jonomhall119, cool :-)05:18
jonomhall119, did you catch up with Nick?05:18
mhall119jono: not, yet, has he arrived at the hotel?05:20
jonomhall119, no idea, I assume so05:24
jonohe may have arrived late and hit the hay05:24
jonobrb, gonna grab dinner05:24
mhall119maybe, that's what I'm off to do05:25
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dholbachgood morning06:40
dpmgood morning everyone!07:10
dholbachhi dpm07:31
dpmhey dholbach, did you have a nice break?07:34
dholbachyes - how about yourself?07:34
dholbachwe took the train to Szczecin yesterday07:34
dpmnice07:38
dpmyeah, had a great long weekend :)07:39
dholbachcan anyone please help with https://code.launchpad.net/harvest/+activereviews? :)08:49
jo-erlendI have a bootable usb on my keyring. It uses persistence. If I store things on it, then those won't be copied if I install from it, right?09:19
cjohnstonmornin10:06
dpmjo-erlend, I don't think they will, no. But to be sure, I'd ask on #ubuntu-installer10:07
s-foxHello cjohnston10:07
dpmhey cjohnston10:07
dpmWow, slowly catching up after the short break, and just read another nice article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57424335-94/androids-new-ally-against-the-iphone-ubuntu/10:08
jo-erlenddpm, aha! Thanks. I didn't know about that channel :)10:13
dpmjo-erlend, yeah, I usually go there when I've got questions about ubiquity or other parts of the installation10:13
alouriehello10:22
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s-foxo/13:44
forestpiskiehello13:57
s-foxHi13:57
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dholbachmhall119, jcastro, dpm-afk, balloons: hey - do you know if we have a team meeting later on?14:30
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dpmargh, not afk anymore14:31
dpmI don't know, I was actually wondering the same14:31
dpmI guess it's up to the guys in Oakland14:31
dholbachdepending on the answer of Oakland I'd make another pot of tea and dive deeper into what I should've done much earlier already: port scripts which deal with too much data into a django app14:33
dpmboth seem like excellent plans to me :)14:35
dholbachyes, especially while sitting on the balcony and enjoying 25°C14:36
forestpiskiethat sounds good14:37
* dholbach takes the continued silence from Oakland as a signal to indulge in the harsh reality of http://2.asset.soup.io/asset/3039/9010_3a46.gif14:45
s-fox Poor kitty14:46
dholbachdpm just showed me http://www.dodgycoder.net/2011/11/yoda-conditions-pokemon-exception.html - worth a read as well :)14:48
dpmabsolutely :)14:48
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mhall119dholbach: I wasnt planning on a meeting today14:49
dholbachmhall119, I'll go on then :)14:50
bkerensadholbach: is the weather nice?14:52
dholbachbkerensa, yes, sun is shining, 25°C14:52
bkerensaoh14:52
bkerensa77°F and its not even 8am?14:52
bkerensaoh no :(14:52
dholbacheh?14:53
dholbachI'm in Berlin :)14:53
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bkerensadholbach: oh :) I thought you were in Oakland already14:54
dholbachno, I'll arrive Sunday afternoon14:54
forestpiskieI hope your weather is heading for southern england dholbach :)14:56
dholbachforestpiskie, I'm not sure your idea reflects the dynamics of European weather :)14:57
bkerensaheh14:57
dholbachin any case it's supposed to rain tomorrow again :)14:57
forestpiskiedholbach: perhaps mine is heading for you then :)14:58
forestpiskieand you can always hope ...14:58
dholbachyeah, I won't let it ruin my mood :)14:58
forestpiskielol14:59
duanedes1gnhave not popped in to say hi to my #u-c-t in awhile...hello!15:32
duanedes1gni wonder how cjohnston has been ggeting along with his Ubuntu  One install?15:34
dpmhi duanedes1gn, nice to see you here15:45
dpmhow are things going in the u1 world?15:45
cjohnstonduanedes1gn: went back to drop box15:46
duanedes1gnahh my nick is meesed up15:46
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duanedesigncjohnston: sorry to hear that15:47
duanedesigncjohnston: but you have to use what orks for you15:47
duanedesignworks*15:47
duanedesignhi dpm15:47
cjohnston:)15:48
cjohnstonjust couldn't deal with whatever was causing stuff to be deleted15:48
duanedesignyeah that is no good15:49
duanedesigncjohnston: i think gettiing rid of some of the 'frills' like bookmarksync and the notes Ui ill allow us to focus on sync performance15:50
cjohnstonwould be nice15:50
AlanBellhi forestpiskie15:53
forestpiskieLOL15:53
forestpiskiehi AlanBell :)15:54
forestpiskiethanks for your help15:54
mhall119balloons: ping16:00
mhall119jcastro: where are you?16:01
s-foxGoodbye.16:02
dholbachalright my friends - time to call it a day16:32
dholbachsee you tomorrow!16:32
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balloonsmhall119, I miss you!17:25
bkerensajcastro: deadline is tomorrow >.<18:07
jcastrono18:08
bkerensaoh18:08
jcastroit's next wednesday18:08
jcastroit was a typo18:08
bkerensaOK18:08
jcastrofixed!18:08
bkerensathank goodness.... I will going to have to spend all day writing charms18:08
bkerensa:D18:08
scott-workjcastro: sorry to keep poking you, but do you want the slides for the uds derivatives presentation?18:08
bkerensaok Locker charm is done and at epic level of frostiness18:08
s-foxHi =)18:33
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jo-erlendjono, haha, I just described your band as "harder than Metallica, but softer than Morbid Angel". I didn't intend to! :)20:51
jonojo-erlend, lol!20:51
jo-erlendjono, I really love your music.20:51
jonothanks jo-erlend!20:51
* bkerensa has never heard Jono's music20:51
jo-erlendhttp://www.severedfifth.com/releases/20:51
jo-erlendjono, "The Prey" is so perfect!20:52
jonojo-erlend, glad you like it! :-)20:52
jo-erlendjono, truth be told, your band is one of two I've recommended during the last five years; Nellie McKay is the other one. :)20:53
jonothanks so much jo-erlend :-)20:53
jo-erlendjono, I'm the one who's happy about it, you know. :)20:53
jono:-)20:54
jo-erlendnow I'm just trying to find appropriate ways to reciprocate.20:54
jo-erlendit has become my obvious example why things like PirateBay should seize to exist.20:56
jo-erlendjono, thought I'd share it on a metal-club tomorrowm if you don't mind. I'll capture a video. We like this stuff in Norway, you know. :)20:59
jonojo-erlend, sweet!21:01
jo-erlendjono, fans aren't leeches? :)21:01
jonoindeed21:01
jo-erlendI really do love this album though. It's not about the politics.21:01
jono:-)21:02
JanChm, something else pretty cool to recommend to Ubuntu & other open source users: John Peel's site where he's publishing his record collection uses WebM for the commentary videos  ☺21:03
JanChttp://thespace.org/21:04
jo-erlendjono, ah, Forgotten Heroes just came on. I love that one.21:04
JanCjono: no move-this-file-to-my-U1-button yet?  ;)21:05
JanClike they did for the SF festival in London21:06
jonoJanC, not yet :-)21:07
jonojo-erlend, yeah, I love playing that live21:07
jo-erlendI'm really a jazz-kinda-guy.21:07
jo-erlendI like to think I'm a guitarist, but everytone else seems to think I'm better at the vocals. I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted. :)21:08
jo-erlendjono, who's the voice talking in this song?21:09
* jo-erlend is extremely interested in voices :)21:10
jonojo-erlend, Winston Churchill21:10
JanCjo-erlend: what style of jazz?21:11
jo-erlendjono, you're serious? :)21:12
jonojo-erlend, yup21:12
JanCjono: you're also lacking vorbis & flac tracks  ;)21:12
jo-erlendJanC, Robert Normann is the main guy. Django Reinhardt is second. There are so many good ones, I can't really define them.21:13
JanCjo-erlend: ah, Django was born in Belgium, so that's nice  ;)21:13
JanCand I have a couple of albums with music from him21:13
jo-erlendjono, slightly inspired by Diablo this guitar background? :) Extremely cool!21:14
jono:-)21:14
jonobrb21:14
jo-erlendJanC, you know... Robert Normann was something entirely different. Nobody understands, except for the extremely interested.21:15
jo-erlendI'd say "out of this world" if I believed in it.21:15
JanCjono: if you love Django, I'm sure you'll like this cover of the Super Mario Bros. theme by one of the original authors of the Django web framework: http://www.holovaty.com/writing/mario-gypsy-jazz/   ;)21:17
JanCjo-erlend: *21:17
JanCbah21:17
JanCRobert Normann I don't know, would have to check it out21:18
JanCjo-erlend: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Robert+Normann ?21:19
jo-erlendJanC, same guy, but I would advertise listening to him on U1MS :)21:21
JanCyou mean, they have that, but not most well known bands?  ;)21:22
jo-erlendif you like Django, you'll like Robert Normann from wartimes. But if you really love guitar, you'll listen to the newer recordings.21:22
jo-erlendJanC, I wish I were allowed to share.21:23
jo-erlendIn the meantime, I can tell you; if you like guitar; Robert Normann is the one. And he's in the U1MS.21:24
JanCjo-erlend: it seems like they actually have that in the U1MS indeed21:24
jo-erlendJanC, he's Norwegian. I would create havok if he wasn't. :)21:24
JanCwell, lots of good music from all over the world isn't there21:25
jo-erlendtrue. But Robert Normann is something entirely different.21:25
jo-erlendhe makes Django look pale.21:25
JanCDjango is mostly remarkable as he played all that while missing 2 or 3 fingers IIRC  ;)21:26
jo-erlendof course, you really have to love guitar in order to get this. ;)21:26
jo-erlendIt's not the disabilities that makes me love Django. It's the music.21:27
jo-erlenddisabilities enable you to be different.21:28
JanCof course, it just makes it even more remarkable (although he said he played like that because of that)21:28
jo-erlendnot to me. Or I  try not to think that way, anyway.21:28
JanCjo-erlend: sort of like Jimi Hendrix re-wired a normal guitar for his left-handedness21:28
jo-erlendJanC, right. But you have to see the chonology in it. They did it because they had to express something.21:29
JanCtrue21:29
jo-erlendI mean; eternity doesn't give a damn about difficulties.21:30
JanCactually, and AFAIK coincidentally, Django was born very near to one of Belgium's most important summer music festivals; both locations are in Dour21:31
jo-erlendyou have heard Andy McKee, yes?21:31
JanCmaybe21:31
jo-erlendok, so that made me stop Liberate...21:32
JanCactually, there is a lot of jazz I've heard but don't know, from listening to the form jazz programme on national radio21:32
JanCformer21:32
jo-erlendhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N421:32
JanCunfortunately they stopped that programme  :-(21:33
jo-erlendAndy McKee does extreme things... Fantastic.21:34
jo-erlendso does Ana Vidovic, of course, if you're also into classical music.21:34
JanCI don't really believe in music categories, except to give a bit of direction about what to expect, so I'm into all styles of music ☺21:35
JanCthat Andy McKee is pretty cool indeed21:35
jo-erlendthere's also another Norwegian guy... I think he's called Ola Staveteig. He plays two guitars at once. :)21:36
jo-erlendAndy McKee is awesome.21:36
JanCand rhythmbox is not awesome (I opened it to look at the store, now I have a hole bunch of bug reports popping up  :P )21:37
JanCapparently the subprocess that reads metadata in your music collection loves to crash when it doesn't understand a particular file...21:38
jo-erlendwish we could focus exclusively on quality in one LTS.21:39
JanCwell, this is something upstream should have solved long ago21:39
jo-erlendfuck upstream.21:40
JanCit's one reason why I use quodlibet and not one of the "default" music applications  ;)21:40
jo-erlendyou know... I'm trying to create something in Norway. If I have to consider upstreams and reality, then we're doomed.21:40
JanC(another reason being that quodlibet & the mutagen metadata parser are written in pure python and still faster than most of those compiled apps)21:42
jo-erlendUbuntu is so damn chicken. That's what annoys me.21:42
JanC"unfortunately", quodlibet is firmly targetted at power users21:43
jo-erlend"power user" is just a fancy way of saying "the system sucks"21:43
jo-erlendUbuntu 12.04LTS is the system that sucks the least, but I still have to adapt to it.21:44
JanCnot really, it means "you can search your library using regular expressions" and "you can use arbitrary tags of your own choice"21:44
JanCnot exactly something most people need for their collection  ;)21:45
jo-erlendsome actions have now become sub-second for me on my computer. That's extremely good compared to all the other sucky systems out there. But in reality, what I expect is for the system to be prepared when I ask for something. Ubuntu is the only system that's even trying to. But all of them still sucks.21:46
jo-erlendfor instance; I always wear my headset, so why don't we just build EEG into it and get support to the simplest tasks? '21:48
JanCgood example from the quodlibet manual: album = !/Christmas/21:48
JanC;)21:48
jo-erlendcomputers are effective, as long as you play by their rules. That's what makes all of them such a piece of crap.21:49
JanC(actually, that one is from the comments)21:49
jo-erlendIt is also what makes Ubuntu 12.04LTS the best there is. But I still think it's too chicken.21:50
JanCwell, the rules are what we give them, after all  ;)21:50
jo-erlendno.21:50
jo-erlendit's not. Babies learn grammars way before anyone tells them how it works.21:50
JanCwhere "we" = the humans that created it21:50
JanCcreated & programmed21:51
jo-erlendright. But there's no such thing as "humans".21:51
greg-gwait, i dont' exist?21:51
* greg-g just willy-nilly interjects, then goes back to work21:52
jo-erlendgreg-g, right. When I close my eyes and go to sleep, I might wake up not even remembering your nick.21:52
greg-gjo-erlend: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Don't disappear me!21:52
jo-erlendyou know what's worse? The brain is deliberately trying to forget things.21:52
JanCthat sounds liek a sensible thing to do  ;)21:53
jo-erlendit is. And that's why the computer should adapt to us and not vice versa.21:53
JanCfrom a restricted space management PoV21:53
jo-erlendthe computer never decides to forget anything.21:54
JanCyou could easily make it do that21:54
JanCe.g. ext4 in its early days was pretty good at that  :P21:55
jo-erlendI thoroughly hate the concept of paths and names in the context of computing.21:55
JanCyou know, *we* engineer file systems and databases to never forget anything21:56
jo-erlendexactly. That's why it should remember and anticipate things for us.21:56
JanCit's easy enough to make them forget instead ;)21:56
jo-erlendno. Remembering is easy. It is forgetting the right things... That's difficult.21:56
JanCthat's why our brain often forgets what we want to remember and vice versa, I suppose...21:57
JanCbad algorithms21:58
jo-erlendI've decided that 1) the brain has a mind of its own and 2) it is the brain that owns me, not vice versa. :)21:58
JanCfunny thing, supposedly I have an "out of JanC's rarity cabinet" item in a Dutch web "radio station" now  :P22:14
JanCjono: the DJ says you can get one of your songs into the show if you listen to the stream and request it...  ;)22:44
JanCthat will give you at least 10 listeners on Wednesday evening ;-)22:45
JanC(mostly from the ubuntu-nl locoteam AFAICT)22:45
JanC(I wish our laws about hobbyist broadcasting were as relaxed as theirs)22:46
jonoJanC, I wish I could but I am at work22:47
JanCjono:  ☺22:47
JanCinternet broadcast fees start at 2000 € / year in Belgium  :-/22:48
jonowow22:50
jonoexpensive22:50
JanCdepends on how much listeners you have22:51
JanCit's peanuts for university-funded radio stations22:51
JanCbut makes it impossible to set up a hobby radio station for some friends to try out how it all works22:53
JanC(well, at least legally ;) )22:53
s-foxMorning23:24
MrChrisDruifNight23:25
balloonsafternoon23:25
popeyBananas!23:25
s-foxHow is everyone?23:26
popeyGREAT!23:26
balloonspopey, you've ruined our life of the sun circle.. we were all connected through the phases of the sun, and .....23:26
balloonsgood s-fox how about you?23:26
balloonsfresh tea is flowing now23:26
popeypfffffft23:27
popeytea!?23:27
popeyi haven't had tea for $DAYS23:27
MrChrisDruifSleepy time actually, but that major downpour revitalised me actually ^_^23:28
s-foxballoons,  A little tired to be honest. I've been working on the accomplishment system. Requested my branch be merged with the trunk23:29
balloonss-fox, I didn't realize you were messing with accomplishments23:30
balloonsI was just about to dive back into writing my first23:31
balloonswell, I suppose it's my second.. I failed to finish my first.. technical issue :-)23:31
s-foxballoons,  I am guilty of being involved with it yes23:31
balloonss-fox, don't you go absorbing jono's mistakes now..23:31
s-foxballoons,  I wrote my first today, a few teething issues, but they were resolved.23:31
balloonsI'm still blaming him23:32
s-foxballoons,   you know Joeb454 is the community blame person. :D23:33
s-foxAnything and everything is Joeb454's fault23:33
MrChrisDruifSleep well everyone23:35
balloonsyou too!23:35
balloonss-fox, how could I forge23:35
MrChrisDruifThanks23:35
balloons*forget23:35
s-foxWhat would you like to forge? balloons  :)23:35
s-foxWhat accomplishment do you want to add balloons ?23:36
balloonsI was hoping to get some QA-themed accomplishments23:37
s-fox:-)23:39
balloonsI had started work on one for iso testing23:39
balloonsand now I'm looking more towards sticking within the realm of the lp api for my first to keep it simple23:39
s-foxThe API thing is a pain, yes. I would like to tap into the vbulletin db for forums related accomplishments23:40
s-foxI just don't think it is possible :/23:40
balloonss-fox, your not the only one wanting into the forum23:47
balloonsi suspect at somepoint we'll find there's a good solution23:47
s-foxballoons,  All we would need to do is write a script is that could query the database. Obviously the connection script should not be made public23:51
s-foxWe already know what the schema is, so shouldn't be that hard to do , if everyone pulls together23:53
balloonswell.. if you made a web service for the forum this would be simple23:56
s-foxI was searching for an API in python. No joy23:57

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