[00:50] <bkerensa> jono: where is accomplishments code?
[00:54] <jono> bkerensa, you mean the system itself of the accomplishments collection?
[00:55] <bkerensa> jono: Yeah... can I bzr branch it from somewhere or git clone? :)
[00:55] <jono> bkerensa, you mean the system itself of the accomplishments collection?
[00:55] <bkerensa> yeah the system ^
[00:55] <bkerensa> I assume you have a source package?
[00:55] <jono> bkerensa, the daemon is at lp:ubuntu-accomplishments-daemon and the viewer is at lp:ubuntu-accomplishments-viewer
[00:56] <bkerensa> ok thanks
[00:56]  * bkerensa wants to hack for fun
[00:56] <jono> bkerensa, it would be cooler if you could write some accoms for the system
[00:56] <jono> they are in lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments
[00:57] <jono> we are really in need of those :-)
[00:57] <bkerensa> jono: :P my python is not nearly ninja enough yet :)
[00:57] <jono> bkerensa, it is easier for you to write an accomplishment than hack on the system itself
[00:57] <jono> believe me :-)
[00:57] <jono> writing an accomplishment just means knowing a little launchpadlib
[00:57] <bkerensa> >.<
[00:57] <jono> and there are lots of example accomplishments in that branch
[00:57] <bkerensa> ok
[00:57] <jono> :-)
[00:57] <jono> I think you might find it more worthwhile
[00:57] <bkerensa> well then maybe I will gank some and see what I can do
[00:57] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:57] <jono> brb
[00:58] <jono> thanks!
[00:58] <bkerensa> bbl
[01:13] <bkerensa> jono: also looks like the Help section could use some improvement :P
[01:13] <bkerensa> sample mallard files
[01:38] <jono> bkerensa, yeah we definitely need help with the help :-)
[02:02] <akgraner> If anyone is around and wants to hang out with me on Air let me know I'll send you and invite
[02:03] <akgraner> I've made the hangout public so you should in theory be able to just join let me know if you can't
[02:38] <akgraner> does anyone else have to re-set their sound settings *every* time they got to use hangouts
[02:38] <bkerensa> jono: :D You didnt blog about your book starting to ship :P
[02:58] <ScottL> jcastro, i have slides and i'd really like to share them with you ;)
[02:59] <jono> bkerensa, it hasnt shipped yet :-)
[04:37] <bkerensa> jono: yeah not to normal people but O'Reilly is already offering review copies :P
[04:38] <jono> bkerensa, oh cool :-)
[04:38] <bkerensa> Yeah I look forward to reading it
[04:38] <jono> thanks bkerensa!
[04:41] <bkerensa> jono: I hear there was a riot in Oakland today?
[04:41] <bkerensa> due to May Day
[04:46] <jono> bkerensa, I never heard anything about that
[04:47] <jono> oh reading now
[04:47] <jono> lol
[04:47] <bkerensa> jono: apparently happened a few blocks from where UDS will be and they were using concussion grenades
[04:47] <jono> I doubt it is that close
[04:48] <jono> city center is not usually an area of trouble
[04:48] <jono> there are may day disturbances all over the world
[04:48] <jono> it will be fine by the time folks arriv
[04:48] <jono> e
[04:48] <bkerensa> yeah I figured the person who told me was confused
[04:48] <bkerensa> :D
[04:48] <bkerensa> yeah just may day stuff
[05:10] <mhall119> bkerensa: jono: not a riot, but a march, right outside the hotel
[05:10] <bkerensa> LOL
[05:11] <bkerensa> mhall119: maybe the flash bangs occurred elsewhere
[05:11] <bkerensa> :D
[05:11] <mhall119> maybe
[05:11] <jono> mhall119, lol
[05:11] <bkerensa> Huffpo has photos :)
[05:11] <bkerensa> :D
[05:11] <jono> hows are things there mhall119?
[05:11] <jono> wish I could have made it down
[05:12] <jono> been working to wrap some things up before my life is sucked up with meetings
[05:14] <mhall119> jono: good, just went out for some dinner, going ot crash early tonight
[05:14] <jono> mhall119, cool
[05:14] <jono> I should be down at around 8.30/8.40
[05:15] <mhall119> hacking on summit some more :)
[05:18] <jono> mhall119, cool :-)
[05:18] <jono> mhall119, did you catch up with Nick?
[05:20] <mhall119> jono: not, yet, has he arrived at the hotel?
[05:24] <jono> mhall119, no idea, I assume so
[05:24] <jono> he may have arrived late and hit the hay
[05:24] <jono> brb, gonna grab dinner
[05:25] <mhall119> maybe, that's what I'm off to do
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[07:10] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:31] <dholbach> hi dpm
[07:34] <dpm> hey dholbach, did you have a nice break?
[07:34] <dholbach> yes - how about yourself?
[07:34] <dholbach> we took the train to Szczecin yesterday
[07:38] <dpm> nice
[07:39] <dpm> yeah, had a great long weekend :)
[08:49] <dholbach> can anyone please help with https://code.launchpad.net/harvest/+activereviews? :)
[09:19] <jo-erlend> I have a bootable usb on my keyring. It uses persistence. If I store things on it, then those won't be copied if I install from it, right?
[10:06] <cjohnston> mornin
[10:07] <dpm> jo-erlend, I don't think they will, no. But to be sure, I'd ask on #ubuntu-installer
[10:07] <s-fox> Hello cjohnston
[10:07] <dpm> hey cjohnston
[10:08] <dpm> Wow, slowly catching up after the short break, and just read another nice article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57424335-94/androids-new-ally-against-the-iphone-ubuntu/
[10:13] <jo-erlend> dpm, aha! Thanks. I didn't know about that channel :)
[10:13] <dpm> jo-erlend, yeah, I usually go there when I've got questions about ubiquity or other parts of the installation
[10:22] <alourie> hello
[13:44] <s-fox> o/
[13:57] <forestpiskie> hello
[13:57] <s-fox> Hi
[14:30] <dholbach> mhall119, jcastro, dpm-afk, balloons: hey - do you know if we have a team meeting later on?
[14:31] <dpm> argh, not afk anymore
[14:31] <dpm> I don't know, I was actually wondering the same
[14:31] <dpm> I guess it's up to the guys in Oakland
[14:33] <dholbach> depending on the answer of Oakland I'd make another pot of tea and dive deeper into what I should've done much earlier already: port scripts which deal with too much data into a django app
[14:35] <dpm> both seem like excellent plans to me :)
[14:36] <dholbach> yes, especially while sitting on the balcony and enjoying 25°C
[14:37] <forestpiskie> that sounds good
[14:45]  * dholbach takes the continued silence from Oakland as a signal to indulge in the harsh reality of http://2.asset.soup.io/asset/3039/9010_3a46.gif
[14:46] <s-fox>  Poor kitty
[14:48] <dholbach> dpm just showed me http://www.dodgycoder.net/2011/11/yoda-conditions-pokemon-exception.html - worth a read as well :)
[14:48] <dpm> absolutely :)
[14:49] <mhall119> dholbach: I wasnt planning on a meeting today
[14:50] <dholbach> mhall119, I'll go on then :)
[14:52] <bkerensa> dholbach: is the weather nice?
[14:52] <dholbach> bkerensa, yes, sun is shining, 25°C
[14:52] <bkerensa> oh
[14:52] <bkerensa> 77°F and its not even 8am?
[14:52] <bkerensa> oh no :(
[14:53] <dholbach> eh?
[14:53] <dholbach> I'm in Berlin :)
[14:54] <bkerensa> dholbach: oh :) I thought you were in Oakland already
[14:54] <dholbach> no, I'll arrive Sunday afternoon
[14:56] <forestpiskie> I hope your weather is heading for southern england dholbach :)
[14:57] <dholbach> forestpiskie, I'm not sure your idea reflects the dynamics of European weather :)
[14:57] <bkerensa> heh
[14:57] <dholbach> in any case it's supposed to rain tomorrow again :)
[14:58] <forestpiskie> dholbach: perhaps mine is heading for you then :)
[14:58] <forestpiskie> and you can always hope ...
[14:58] <dholbach> yeah, I won't let it ruin my mood :)
[14:59] <forestpiskie> lol
[15:32] <duanedes1gn> have not popped in to say hi to my #u-c-t in awhile...hello!
[15:34] <duanedes1gn> i wonder how cjohnston has been ggeting along with his Ubuntu  One install?
[15:45] <dpm> hi duanedes1gn, nice to see you here
[15:45] <dpm> how are things going in the u1 world?
[15:46] <cjohnston> duanedes1gn: went back to drop box
[15:46] <duanedes1gn> ahh my nick is meesed up
[15:47] <duanedesign> cjohnston: sorry to hear that
[15:47] <duanedesign> cjohnston: but you have to use what orks for you
[15:47] <duanedesign> works*
[15:47] <duanedesign> hi dpm
[15:48] <cjohnston> :)
[15:48] <cjohnston> just couldn't deal with whatever was causing stuff to be deleted
[15:49] <duanedesign> yeah that is no good
[15:50] <duanedesign> cjohnston: i think gettiing rid of some of the 'frills' like bookmarksync and the notes Ui ill allow us to focus on sync performance
[15:50] <cjohnston> would be nice
[15:53] <AlanBell> hi forestpiskie
[15:53] <forestpiskie> LOL
[15:54] <forestpiskie> hi AlanBell :)
[15:54] <forestpiskie> thanks for your help
[16:00] <mhall119> balloons: ping
[16:01] <mhall119> jcastro: where are you?
[16:02] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[16:32] <dholbach> alright my friends - time to call it a day
[16:32] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:25] <balloons> mhall119, I miss you!
[18:07] <bkerensa> jcastro: deadline is tomorrow >.<
[18:08] <jcastro> no
[18:08] <bkerensa> oh
[18:08] <jcastro> it's next wednesday
[18:08] <jcastro> it was a typo
[18:08] <bkerensa> OK
[18:08] <jcastro> fixed!
[18:08] <bkerensa> thank goodness.... I will going to have to spend all day writing charms
[18:08] <bkerensa> :D
[18:08] <scott-work> jcastro: sorry to keep poking you, but do you want the slides for the uds derivatives presentation?
[18:08] <bkerensa> ok Locker charm is done and at epic level of frostiness
[18:33] <s-fox> Hi =)
[20:51] <jo-erlend> jono, haha, I just described your band as "harder than Metallica, but softer than Morbid Angel". I didn't intend to! :)
[20:51] <jono> jo-erlend, lol!
[20:51] <jo-erlend> jono, I really love your music.
[20:51] <jono> thanks jo-erlend!
[20:51]  * bkerensa has never heard Jono's music
[20:51] <jo-erlend> http://www.severedfifth.com/releases/
[20:52] <jo-erlend> jono, "The Prey" is so perfect!
[20:52] <jono> jo-erlend, glad you like it! :-)
[20:53] <jo-erlend> jono, truth be told, your band is one of two I've recommended during the last five years; Nellie McKay is the other one. :)
[20:53] <jono> thanks so much jo-erlend :-)
[20:53] <jo-erlend> jono, I'm the one who's happy about it, you know. :)
[20:54] <jono> :-)
[20:54] <jo-erlend> now I'm just trying to find appropriate ways to reciprocate.
[20:56] <jo-erlend> it has become my obvious example why things like PirateBay should seize to exist.
[20:59] <jo-erlend> jono, thought I'd share it on a metal-club tomorrowm if you don't mind. I'll capture a video. We like this stuff in Norway, you know. :)
[21:01] <jono> jo-erlend, sweet!
[21:01] <jo-erlend> jono, fans aren't leeches? :)
[21:01] <jono> indeed
[21:01] <jo-erlend> I really do love this album though. It's not about the politics.
[21:02] <jono> :-)
[21:03] <JanC> hm, something else pretty cool to recommend to Ubuntu & other open source users: John Peel's site where he's publishing his record collection uses WebM for the commentary videos  ☺
[21:04] <JanC> http://thespace.org/
[21:04] <jo-erlend> jono, ah, Forgotten Heroes just came on. I love that one.
[21:05] <JanC> jono: no move-this-file-to-my-U1-button yet?  ;)
[21:06] <JanC> like they did for the SF festival in London
[21:07] <jono> JanC, not yet :-)
[21:07] <jono> jo-erlend, yeah, I love playing that live
[21:07] <jo-erlend> I'm really a jazz-kinda-guy.
[21:08] <jo-erlend> I like to think I'm a guitarist, but everytone else seems to think I'm better at the vocals. I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted. :)
[21:09] <jo-erlend> jono, who's the voice talking in this song?
[21:10]  * jo-erlend is extremely interested in voices :)
[21:10] <jono> jo-erlend, Winston Churchill
[21:11] <JanC> jo-erlend: what style of jazz?
[21:12] <jo-erlend> jono, you're serious? :)
[21:12] <jono> jo-erlend, yup
[21:12] <JanC> jono: you're also lacking vorbis & flac tracks  ;)
[21:13] <jo-erlend> JanC, Robert Normann is the main guy. Django Reinhardt is second. There are so many good ones, I can't really define them.
[21:13] <JanC> jo-erlend: ah, Django was born in Belgium, so that's nice  ;)
[21:13] <JanC> and I have a couple of albums with music from him
[21:14] <jo-erlend> jono, slightly inspired by Diablo this guitar background? :) Extremely cool!
[21:14] <jono> :-)
[21:14] <jono> brb
[21:15] <jo-erlend> JanC, you know... Robert Normann was something entirely different. Nobody understands, except for the extremely interested.
[21:15] <jo-erlend> I'd say "out of this world" if I believed in it.
[21:17] <JanC> jono: if you love Django, I'm sure you'll like this cover of the Super Mario Bros. theme by one of the original authors of the Django web framework: http://www.holovaty.com/writing/mario-gypsy-jazz/   ;)
[21:17] <JanC> jo-erlend: *
[21:17] <JanC> bah
[21:18] <JanC> Robert Normann I don't know, would have to check it out
[21:19] <JanC> jo-erlend: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Robert+Normann ?
[21:21] <jo-erlend> JanC, same guy, but I would advertise listening to him on U1MS :)
[21:22] <JanC> you mean, they have that, but not most well known bands?  ;)
[21:22] <jo-erlend> if you like Django, you'll like Robert Normann from wartimes. But if you really love guitar, you'll listen to the newer recordings.
[21:23] <jo-erlend> JanC, I wish I were allowed to share.
[21:24] <jo-erlend> In the meantime, I can tell you; if you like guitar; Robert Normann is the one. And he's in the U1MS.
[21:24] <JanC> jo-erlend: it seems like they actually have that in the U1MS indeed
[21:24] <jo-erlend> JanC, he's Norwegian. I would create havok if he wasn't. :)
[21:25] <JanC> well, lots of good music from all over the world isn't there
[21:25] <jo-erlend> true. But Robert Normann is something entirely different.
[21:25] <jo-erlend> he makes Django look pale.
[21:26] <JanC> Django is mostly remarkable as he played all that while missing 2 or 3 fingers IIRC  ;)
[21:26] <jo-erlend> of course, you really have to love guitar in order to get this. ;)
[21:27] <jo-erlend> It's not the disabilities that makes me love Django. It's the music.
[21:28] <jo-erlend> disabilities enable you to be different.
[21:28] <JanC> of course, it just makes it even more remarkable (although he said he played like that because of that)
[21:28] <jo-erlend> not to me. Or I  try not to think that way, anyway.
[21:28] <JanC> jo-erlend: sort of like Jimi Hendrix re-wired a normal guitar for his left-handedness
[21:29] <jo-erlend> JanC, right. But you have to see the chonology in it. They did it because they had to express something.
[21:29] <JanC> true
[21:30] <jo-erlend> I mean; eternity doesn't give a damn about difficulties.
[21:31] <JanC> actually, and AFAIK coincidentally, Django was born very near to one of Belgium's most important summer music festivals; both locations are in Dour
[21:31] <jo-erlend> you have heard Andy McKee, yes?
[21:31] <JanC> maybe
[21:32] <jo-erlend> ok, so that made me stop Liberate...
[21:32] <JanC> actually, there is a lot of jazz I've heard but don't know, from listening to the form jazz programme on national radio
[21:32] <JanC> former
[21:32] <jo-erlend> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4
[21:33] <JanC> unfortunately they stopped that programme  :-(
[21:34] <jo-erlend> Andy McKee does extreme things... Fantastic.
[21:34] <jo-erlend> so does Ana Vidovic, of course, if you're also into classical music.
[21:35] <JanC> I don't really believe in music categories, except to give a bit of direction about what to expect, so I'm into all styles of music ☺
[21:35] <JanC> that Andy McKee is pretty cool indeed
[21:36] <jo-erlend> there's also another Norwegian guy... I think he's called Ola Staveteig. He plays two guitars at once. :)
[21:36] <jo-erlend> Andy McKee is awesome.
[21:37] <JanC> and rhythmbox is not awesome (I opened it to look at the store, now I have a hole bunch of bug reports popping up  :P )
[21:38] <JanC> apparently the subprocess that reads metadata in your music collection loves to crash when it doesn't understand a particular file...
[21:39] <jo-erlend> wish we could focus exclusively on quality in one LTS.
[21:39] <JanC> well, this is something upstream should have solved long ago
[21:40] <jo-erlend> fuck upstream.
[21:40] <JanC> it's one reason why I use quodlibet and not one of the "default" music applications  ;)
[21:40] <jo-erlend> you know... I'm trying to create something in Norway. If I have to consider upstreams and reality, then we're doomed.
[21:42] <JanC> (another reason being that quodlibet & the mutagen metadata parser are written in pure python and still faster than most of those compiled apps)
[21:42] <jo-erlend> Ubuntu is so damn chicken. That's what annoys me.
[21:43] <JanC> "unfortunately", quodlibet is firmly targetted at power users
[21:43] <jo-erlend> "power user" is just a fancy way of saying "the system sucks"
[21:44] <jo-erlend> Ubuntu 12.04LTS is the system that sucks the least, but I still have to adapt to it.
[21:44] <JanC> not really, it means "you can search your library using regular expressions" and "you can use arbitrary tags of your own choice"
[21:45] <JanC> not exactly something most people need for their collection  ;)
[21:46] <jo-erlend> some actions have now become sub-second for me on my computer. That's extremely good compared to all the other sucky systems out there. But in reality, what I expect is for the system to be prepared when I ask for something. Ubuntu is the only system that's even trying to. But all of them still sucks.
[21:48] <jo-erlend> for instance; I always wear my headset, so why don't we just build EEG into it and get support to the simplest tasks? '
[21:48] <JanC> good example from the quodlibet manual: album = !/Christmas/
[21:48] <JanC> ;)
[21:49] <jo-erlend> computers are effective, as long as you play by their rules. That's what makes all of them such a piece of crap.
[21:49] <JanC> (actually, that one is from the comments)
[21:50] <jo-erlend> It is also what makes Ubuntu 12.04LTS the best there is. But I still think it's too chicken.
[21:50] <JanC> well, the rules are what we give them, after all  ;)
[21:50] <jo-erlend> no.
[21:50] <jo-erlend> it's not. Babies learn grammars way before anyone tells them how it works.
[21:50] <JanC> where "we" = the humans that created it
[21:51] <JanC> created & programmed
[21:51] <jo-erlend> right. But there's no such thing as "humans".
[21:51] <greg-g> wait, i dont' exist?
[21:52]  * greg-g just willy-nilly interjects, then goes back to work
[21:52] <jo-erlend> greg-g, right. When I close my eyes and go to sleep, I might wake up not even remembering your nick.
[21:52] <greg-g> jo-erlend: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Don't disappear me!
[21:52] <jo-erlend> you know what's worse? The brain is deliberately trying to forget things.
[21:53] <JanC> that sounds liek a sensible thing to do  ;)
[21:53] <jo-erlend> it is. And that's why the computer should adapt to us and not vice versa.
[21:53] <JanC> from a restricted space management PoV
[21:54] <jo-erlend> the computer never decides to forget anything.
[21:54] <JanC> you could easily make it do that
[21:55] <JanC> e.g. ext4 in its early days was pretty good at that  :P
[21:55] <jo-erlend> I thoroughly hate the concept of paths and names in the context of computing.
[21:56] <JanC> you know, *we* engineer file systems and databases to never forget anything
[21:56] <jo-erlend> exactly. That's why it should remember and anticipate things for us.
[21:56] <JanC> it's easy enough to make them forget instead ;)
[21:56] <jo-erlend> no. Remembering is easy. It is forgetting the right things... That's difficult.
[21:57] <JanC> that's why our brain often forgets what we want to remember and vice versa, I suppose...
[21:58] <JanC> bad algorithms
[21:58] <jo-erlend> I've decided that 1) the brain has a mind of its own and 2) it is the brain that owns me, not vice versa. :)
[22:14] <JanC> funny thing, supposedly I have an "out of JanC's rarity cabinet" item in a Dutch web "radio station" now  :P
[22:44] <JanC> jono: the DJ says you can get one of your songs into the show if you listen to the stream and request it...  ;)
[22:45] <JanC> that will give you at least 10 listeners on Wednesday evening ;-)
[22:45] <JanC> (mostly from the ubuntu-nl locoteam AFAICT)
[22:46] <JanC> (I wish our laws about hobbyist broadcasting were as relaxed as theirs)
[22:47] <jono> JanC, I wish I could but I am at work
[22:47] <JanC> jono:  ☺
[22:48] <JanC> internet broadcast fees start at 2000 € / year in Belgium  :-/
[22:50] <jono> wow
[22:50] <jono> expensive
[22:51] <JanC> depends on how much listeners you have
[22:51] <JanC> it's peanuts for university-funded radio stations
[22:53] <JanC> but makes it impossible to set up a hobby radio station for some friends to try out how it all works
[22:53] <JanC> (well, at least legally ;) )
[23:24] <s-fox> Morning
[23:25] <MrChrisDruif> Night
[23:25] <balloons> afternoon
[23:25] <popey> Bananas!
[23:26] <s-fox> How is everyone?
[23:26] <popey> GREAT!
[23:26] <balloons> popey, you've ruined our life of the sun circle.. we were all connected through the phases of the sun, and .....
[23:26] <balloons> good s-fox how about you?
[23:26] <balloons> fresh tea is flowing now
[23:27] <popey> pfffffft
[23:27] <popey> tea!?
[23:27] <popey> i haven't had tea for $DAYS
[23:28] <MrChrisDruif> Sleepy time actually, but that major downpour revitalised me actually ^_^
[23:29] <s-fox> balloons,  A little tired to be honest. I've been working on the accomplishment system. Requested my branch be merged with the trunk
[23:30] <balloons> s-fox, I didn't realize you were messing with accomplishments
[23:31] <balloons> I was just about to dive back into writing my first
[23:31] <balloons> well, I suppose it's my second.. I failed to finish my first.. technical issue :-)
[23:31] <s-fox> balloons,  I am guilty of being involved with it yes
[23:31] <balloons> s-fox, don't you go absorbing jono's mistakes now..
[23:31] <s-fox> balloons,  I wrote my first today, a few teething issues, but they were resolved.
[23:32] <balloons> I'm still blaming him
[23:33] <s-fox> balloons,   you know Joeb454 is the community blame person. :D
[23:33] <s-fox> Anything and everything is Joeb454's fault
[23:35] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well everyone
[23:35] <balloons> you too!
[23:35] <balloons> s-fox, how could I forge
[23:35] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks
[23:35] <balloons> *forget
[23:35] <s-fox> What would you like to forge? balloons  :)
[23:36] <s-fox> What accomplishment do you want to add balloons ?
[23:37] <balloons> I was hoping to get some QA-themed accomplishments
[23:39] <s-fox> :-)
[23:39] <balloons> I had started work on one for iso testing
[23:39] <balloons> and now I'm looking more towards sticking within the realm of the lp api for my first to keep it simple
[23:40] <s-fox> The API thing is a pain, yes. I would like to tap into the vbulletin db for forums related accomplishments
[23:40] <s-fox> I just don't think it is possible :/
[23:47] <balloons> s-fox, your not the only one wanting into the forum
[23:47] <balloons> i suspect at somepoint we'll find there's a good solution
[23:51] <s-fox> balloons,  All we would need to do is write a script is that could query the database. Obviously the connection script should not be made public
[23:53] <s-fox> We already know what the schema is, so shouldn't be that hard to do , if everyone pulls together
[23:56] <balloons> well.. if you made a web service for the forum this would be simple
[23:57] <s-fox> I was searching for an API in python. No joy