=== imbrando1 is now known as imbrandon [00:50] jono: where is accomplishments code? [00:54] bkerensa, you mean the system itself of the accomplishments collection? [00:55] jono: Yeah... can I bzr branch it from somewhere or git clone? :) [00:55] bkerensa, you mean the system itself of the accomplishments collection? [00:55] yeah the system ^ [00:55] I assume you have a source package? [00:55] bkerensa, the daemon is at lp:ubuntu-accomplishments-daemon and the viewer is at lp:ubuntu-accomplishments-viewer [00:56] ok thanks [00:56] * bkerensa wants to hack for fun [00:56] bkerensa, it would be cooler if you could write some accoms for the system [00:56] they are in lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments [00:57] we are really in need of those :-) [00:57] jono: :P my python is not nearly ninja enough yet :) [00:57] bkerensa, it is easier for you to write an accomplishment than hack on the system itself [00:57] believe me :-) [00:57] writing an accomplishment just means knowing a little launchpadlib [00:57] >.< [00:57] and there are lots of example accomplishments in that branch [00:57] ok [00:57] :-) [00:57] I think you might find it more worthwhile [00:57] well then maybe I will gank some and see what I can do [00:57] ;p [00:57] brb [00:58] thanks! [00:58] bbl [01:13] jono: also looks like the Help section could use some improvement :P [01:13] sample mallard files [01:38] bkerensa, yeah we definitely need help with the help :-) [02:02] If anyone is around and wants to hang out with me on Air let me know I'll send you and invite [02:03] I've made the hangout public so you should in theory be able to just join let me know if you can't === SaMe is now known as SergioMeneses [02:38] does anyone else have to re-set their sound settings *every* time they got to use hangouts [02:38] jono: :D You didnt blog about your book starting to ship :P [02:58] jcastro, i have slides and i'd really like to share them with you ;) [02:59] bkerensa, it hasnt shipped yet :-) [04:37] jono: yeah not to normal people but O'Reilly is already offering review copies :P [04:38] bkerensa, oh cool :-) [04:38] Yeah I look forward to reading it [04:38] thanks bkerensa! [04:41] jono: I hear there was a riot in Oakland today? [04:41] due to May Day [04:46] bkerensa, I never heard anything about that [04:47] oh reading now [04:47] lol [04:47] jono: apparently happened a few blocks from where UDS will be and they were using concussion grenades [04:47] I doubt it is that close [04:48] city center is not usually an area of trouble [04:48] there are may day disturbances all over the world [04:48] it will be fine by the time folks arriv [04:48] e [04:48] yeah I figured the person who told me was confused [04:48] :D [04:48] yeah just may day stuff [05:10] bkerensa: jono: not a riot, but a march, right outside the hotel [05:10] LOL [05:11] mhall119: maybe the flash bangs occurred elsewhere [05:11] :D [05:11] maybe [05:11] mhall119, lol [05:11] Huffpo has photos :) [05:11] :D [05:11] hows are things there mhall119? [05:11] wish I could have made it down [05:12] been working to wrap some things up before my life is sucked up with meetings [05:14] jono: good, just went out for some dinner, going ot crash early tonight [05:14] mhall119, cool [05:14] I should be down at around 8.30/8.40 [05:15] hacking on summit some more :) [05:18] mhall119, cool :-) [05:18] mhall119, did you catch up with Nick? [05:20] jono: not, yet, has he arrived at the hotel? [05:24] mhall119, no idea, I assume so [05:24] he may have arrived late and hit the hay [05:24] brb, gonna grab dinner [05:25] maybe, that's what I'm off to do === Amoz_ is now known as Amoz [06:40] good morning [07:10] good morning everyone! [07:31] hi dpm [07:34] hey dholbach, did you have a nice break? [07:34] yes - how about yourself? [07:34] we took the train to Szczecin yesterday [07:38] nice [07:39] yeah, had a great long weekend :) [08:49] can anyone please help with https://code.launchpad.net/harvest/+activereviews? :) [09:19] I have a bootable usb on my keyring. It uses persistence. If I store things on it, then those won't be copied if I install from it, right? [10:06] mornin [10:07] jo-erlend, I don't think they will, no. But to be sure, I'd ask on #ubuntu-installer [10:07] Hello cjohnston [10:07] hey cjohnston [10:08] Wow, slowly catching up after the short break, and just read another nice article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57424335-94/androids-new-ally-against-the-iphone-ubuntu/ [10:13] dpm, aha! Thanks. I didn't know about that channel :) [10:13] jo-erlend, yeah, I usually go there when I've got questions about ubiquity or other parts of the installation [10:22] hello === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [13:44] o/ [13:57] hello [13:57] Hi === daker__ is now known as daker [14:30] mhall119, jcastro, dpm-afk, balloons: hey - do you know if we have a team meeting later on? === dpm-afk is now known as dpm [14:31] argh, not afk anymore [14:31] I don't know, I was actually wondering the same [14:31] I guess it's up to the guys in Oakland [14:33] depending on the answer of Oakland I'd make another pot of tea and dive deeper into what I should've done much earlier already: port scripts which deal with too much data into a django app [14:35] both seem like excellent plans to me :) [14:36] yes, especially while sitting on the balcony and enjoying 25°C [14:37] that sounds good [14:45] * dholbach takes the continued silence from Oakland as a signal to indulge in the harsh reality of http://2.asset.soup.io/asset/3039/9010_3a46.gif [14:46] Poor kitty [14:48] dpm just showed me http://www.dodgycoder.net/2011/11/yoda-conditions-pokemon-exception.html - worth a read as well :) [14:48] absolutely :) === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [14:49] dholbach: I wasnt planning on a meeting today [14:50] mhall119, I'll go on then :) [14:52] dholbach: is the weather nice? [14:52] bkerensa, yes, sun is shining, 25°C [14:52] oh [14:52] 77°F and its not even 8am? [14:52] oh no :( [14:53] eh? [14:53] I'm in Berlin :) === imbrandon is now known as imbrandon2 [14:54] dholbach: oh :) I thought you were in Oakland already [14:54] no, I'll arrive Sunday afternoon [14:56] I hope your weather is heading for southern england dholbach :) [14:57] forestpiskie, I'm not sure your idea reflects the dynamics of European weather :) [14:57] heh [14:57] in any case it's supposed to rain tomorrow again :) [14:58] dholbach: perhaps mine is heading for you then :) [14:58] and you can always hope ... [14:58] yeah, I won't let it ruin my mood :) [14:59] lol [15:32] have not popped in to say hi to my #u-c-t in awhile...hello! [15:34] i wonder how cjohnston has been ggeting along with his Ubuntu One install? [15:45] hi duanedes1gn, nice to see you here [15:45] how are things going in the u1 world? [15:46] duanedes1gn: went back to drop box [15:46] ahh my nick is meesed up === duanedes1gn is now known as duanedesign [15:47] cjohnston: sorry to hear that [15:47] cjohnston: but you have to use what orks for you [15:47] works* [15:47] hi dpm [15:48] :) [15:48] just couldn't deal with whatever was causing stuff to be deleted [15:49] yeah that is no good [15:50] cjohnston: i think gettiing rid of some of the 'frills' like bookmarksync and the notes Ui ill allow us to focus on sync performance [15:50] would be nice [15:53] hi forestpiskie [15:53] LOL [15:54] hi AlanBell :) [15:54] thanks for your help [16:00] balloons: ping [16:01] jcastro: where are you? [16:02] Goodbye. [16:32] alright my friends - time to call it a day [16:32] see you tomorrow! === greg_g is now known as greg-g [17:25] mhall119, I miss you! [18:07] jcastro: deadline is tomorrow >.< [18:08] no [18:08] oh [18:08] it's next wednesday [18:08] it was a typo [18:08] OK [18:08] fixed! [18:08] thank goodness.... I will going to have to spend all day writing charms [18:08] :D [18:08] jcastro: sorry to keep poking you, but do you want the slides for the uds derivatives presentation? [18:08] ok Locker charm is done and at epic level of frostiness [18:33] Hi =) === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [20:51] jono, haha, I just described your band as "harder than Metallica, but softer than Morbid Angel". I didn't intend to! :) [20:51] jo-erlend, lol! [20:51] jono, I really love your music. [20:51] thanks jo-erlend! [20:51] * bkerensa has never heard Jono's music [20:51] http://www.severedfifth.com/releases/ [20:52] jono, "The Prey" is so perfect! [20:52] jo-erlend, glad you like it! :-) [20:53] jono, truth be told, your band is one of two I've recommended during the last five years; Nellie McKay is the other one. :) [20:53] thanks so much jo-erlend :-) [20:53] jono, I'm the one who's happy about it, you know. :) [20:54] :-) [20:54] now I'm just trying to find appropriate ways to reciprocate. [20:56] it has become my obvious example why things like PirateBay should seize to exist. [20:59] jono, thought I'd share it on a metal-club tomorrowm if you don't mind. I'll capture a video. We like this stuff in Norway, you know. :) [21:01] jo-erlend, sweet! [21:01] jono, fans aren't leeches? :) [21:01] indeed [21:01] I really do love this album though. It's not about the politics. [21:02] :-) [21:03] hm, something else pretty cool to recommend to Ubuntu & other open source users: John Peel's site where he's publishing his record collection uses WebM for the commentary videos ☺ [21:04] http://thespace.org/ [21:04] jono, ah, Forgotten Heroes just came on. I love that one. [21:05] jono: no move-this-file-to-my-U1-button yet? ;) [21:06] like they did for the SF festival in London [21:07] JanC, not yet :-) [21:07] jo-erlend, yeah, I love playing that live [21:07] I'm really a jazz-kinda-guy. [21:08] I like to think I'm a guitarist, but everytone else seems to think I'm better at the vocals. I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted. :) [21:09] jono, who's the voice talking in this song? [21:10] * jo-erlend is extremely interested in voices :) [21:10] jo-erlend, Winston Churchill [21:11] jo-erlend: what style of jazz? [21:12] jono, you're serious? :) [21:12] jo-erlend, yup [21:12] jono: you're also lacking vorbis & flac tracks ;) [21:13] JanC, Robert Normann is the main guy. Django Reinhardt is second. There are so many good ones, I can't really define them. [21:13] jo-erlend: ah, Django was born in Belgium, so that's nice ;) [21:13] and I have a couple of albums with music from him [21:14] jono, slightly inspired by Diablo this guitar background? :) Extremely cool! [21:14] :-) [21:14] brb [21:15] JanC, you know... Robert Normann was something entirely different. Nobody understands, except for the extremely interested. [21:15] I'd say "out of this world" if I believed in it. [21:17] jono: if you love Django, I'm sure you'll like this cover of the Super Mario Bros. theme by one of the original authors of the Django web framework: http://www.holovaty.com/writing/mario-gypsy-jazz/ ;) [21:17] jo-erlend: * [21:17] bah [21:18] Robert Normann I don't know, would have to check it out [21:19] jo-erlend: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Robert+Normann ? [21:21] JanC, same guy, but I would advertise listening to him on U1MS :) [21:22] you mean, they have that, but not most well known bands? ;) [21:22] if you like Django, you'll like Robert Normann from wartimes. But if you really love guitar, you'll listen to the newer recordings. [21:23] JanC, I wish I were allowed to share. [21:24] In the meantime, I can tell you; if you like guitar; Robert Normann is the one. And he's in the U1MS. [21:24] jo-erlend: it seems like they actually have that in the U1MS indeed [21:24] JanC, he's Norwegian. I would create havok if he wasn't. :) [21:25] well, lots of good music from all over the world isn't there [21:25] true. But Robert Normann is something entirely different. [21:25] he makes Django look pale. [21:26] Django is mostly remarkable as he played all that while missing 2 or 3 fingers IIRC ;) [21:26] of course, you really have to love guitar in order to get this. ;) [21:27] It's not the disabilities that makes me love Django. It's the music. [21:28] disabilities enable you to be different. [21:28] of course, it just makes it even more remarkable (although he said he played like that because of that) [21:28] not to me. Or I try not to think that way, anyway. [21:28] jo-erlend: sort of like Jimi Hendrix re-wired a normal guitar for his left-handedness [21:29] JanC, right. But you have to see the chonology in it. They did it because they had to express something. [21:29] true [21:30] I mean; eternity doesn't give a damn about difficulties. [21:31] actually, and AFAIK coincidentally, Django was born very near to one of Belgium's most important summer music festivals; both locations are in Dour [21:31] you have heard Andy McKee, yes? [21:31] maybe [21:32] ok, so that made me stop Liberate... [21:32] actually, there is a lot of jazz I've heard but don't know, from listening to the form jazz programme on national radio [21:32] former [21:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4 [21:33] unfortunately they stopped that programme :-( [21:34] Andy McKee does extreme things... Fantastic. [21:34] so does Ana Vidovic, of course, if you're also into classical music. [21:35] I don't really believe in music categories, except to give a bit of direction about what to expect, so I'm into all styles of music ☺ [21:35] that Andy McKee is pretty cool indeed [21:36] there's also another Norwegian guy... I think he's called Ola Staveteig. He plays two guitars at once. :) [21:36] Andy McKee is awesome. [21:37] and rhythmbox is not awesome (I opened it to look at the store, now I have a hole bunch of bug reports popping up :P ) [21:38] apparently the subprocess that reads metadata in your music collection loves to crash when it doesn't understand a particular file... [21:39] wish we could focus exclusively on quality in one LTS. [21:39] well, this is something upstream should have solved long ago [21:40] fuck upstream. [21:40] it's one reason why I use quodlibet and not one of the "default" music applications ;) [21:40] you know... I'm trying to create something in Norway. If I have to consider upstreams and reality, then we're doomed. [21:42] (another reason being that quodlibet & the mutagen metadata parser are written in pure python and still faster than most of those compiled apps) [21:42] Ubuntu is so damn chicken. That's what annoys me. [21:43] "unfortunately", quodlibet is firmly targetted at power users [21:43] "power user" is just a fancy way of saying "the system sucks" [21:44] Ubuntu 12.04LTS is the system that sucks the least, but I still have to adapt to it. [21:44] not really, it means "you can search your library using regular expressions" and "you can use arbitrary tags of your own choice" [21:45] not exactly something most people need for their collection ;) [21:46] some actions have now become sub-second for me on my computer. That's extremely good compared to all the other sucky systems out there. But in reality, what I expect is for the system to be prepared when I ask for something. Ubuntu is the only system that's even trying to. But all of them still sucks. [21:48] for instance; I always wear my headset, so why don't we just build EEG into it and get support to the simplest tasks? ' [21:48] good example from the quodlibet manual: album = !/Christmas/ [21:48] ;) [21:49] computers are effective, as long as you play by their rules. That's what makes all of them such a piece of crap. [21:49] (actually, that one is from the comments) [21:50] It is also what makes Ubuntu 12.04LTS the best there is. But I still think it's too chicken. [21:50] well, the rules are what we give them, after all ;) [21:50] no. [21:50] it's not. Babies learn grammars way before anyone tells them how it works. [21:50] where "we" = the humans that created it [21:51] created & programmed [21:51] right. But there's no such thing as "humans". [21:51] wait, i dont' exist? [21:52] * greg-g just willy-nilly interjects, then goes back to work [21:52] greg-g, right. When I close my eyes and go to sleep, I might wake up not even remembering your nick. [21:52] jo-erlend: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Don't disappear me! [21:52] you know what's worse? The brain is deliberately trying to forget things. [21:53] that sounds liek a sensible thing to do ;) [21:53] it is. And that's why the computer should adapt to us and not vice versa. [21:53] from a restricted space management PoV [21:54] the computer never decides to forget anything. [21:54] you could easily make it do that [21:55] e.g. ext4 in its early days was pretty good at that :P [21:55] I thoroughly hate the concept of paths and names in the context of computing. [21:56] you know, *we* engineer file systems and databases to never forget anything [21:56] exactly. That's why it should remember and anticipate things for us. [21:56] it's easy enough to make them forget instead ;) [21:56] no. Remembering is easy. It is forgetting the right things... That's difficult. [21:57] that's why our brain often forgets what we want to remember and vice versa, I suppose... [21:58] bad algorithms [21:58] I've decided that 1) the brain has a mind of its own and 2) it is the brain that owns me, not vice versa. :) [22:14] funny thing, supposedly I have an "out of JanC's rarity cabinet" item in a Dutch web "radio station" now :P [22:44] jono: the DJ says you can get one of your songs into the show if you listen to the stream and request it... ;) [22:45] that will give you at least 10 listeners on Wednesday evening ;-) [22:45] (mostly from the ubuntu-nl locoteam AFAICT) [22:46] (I wish our laws about hobbyist broadcasting were as relaxed as theirs) [22:47] JanC, I wish I could but I am at work [22:47] jono: ☺ [22:48] internet broadcast fees start at 2000 € / year in Belgium :-/ [22:50] wow [22:50] expensive [22:51] depends on how much listeners you have [22:51] it's peanuts for university-funded radio stations [22:53] but makes it impossible to set up a hobby radio station for some friends to try out how it all works [22:53] (well, at least legally ;) ) [23:24] Morning [23:25] Night [23:25] afternoon [23:25] Bananas! [23:26] How is everyone? [23:26] GREAT! [23:26] popey, you've ruined our life of the sun circle.. we were all connected through the phases of the sun, and ..... [23:26] good s-fox how about you? [23:26] fresh tea is flowing now [23:27] pfffffft [23:27] tea!? [23:27] i haven't had tea for $DAYS [23:28] Sleepy time actually, but that major downpour revitalised me actually ^_^ [23:29] balloons, A little tired to be honest. I've been working on the accomplishment system. Requested my branch be merged with the trunk [23:30] s-fox, I didn't realize you were messing with accomplishments [23:31] I was just about to dive back into writing my first [23:31] well, I suppose it's my second.. I failed to finish my first.. technical issue :-) [23:31] balloons, I am guilty of being involved with it yes [23:31] s-fox, don't you go absorbing jono's mistakes now.. [23:31] balloons, I wrote my first today, a few teething issues, but they were resolved. [23:32] I'm still blaming him [23:33] balloons, you know Joeb454 is the community blame person. :D [23:33] Anything and everything is Joeb454's fault [23:35] Sleep well everyone [23:35] you too! [23:35] s-fox, how could I forge [23:35] Thanks [23:35] *forget [23:35] What would you like to forge? balloons :) [23:36] What accomplishment do you want to add balloons ? [23:37] I was hoping to get some QA-themed accomplishments [23:39] :-) [23:39] I had started work on one for iso testing [23:39] and now I'm looking more towards sticking within the realm of the lp api for my first to keep it simple [23:40] The API thing is a pain, yes. I would like to tap into the vbulletin db for forums related accomplishments [23:40] I just don't think it is possible :/ [23:47] s-fox, your not the only one wanting into the forum [23:47] i suspect at somepoint we'll find there's a good solution [23:51] balloons, All we would need to do is write a script is that could query the database. Obviously the connection script should not be made public [23:53] We already know what the schema is, so shouldn't be that hard to do , if everyone pulls together [23:56] well.. if you made a web service for the forum this would be simple [23:57] I was searching for an API in python. No joy