[04:49] <philipballew> Physics, Whoever invented it must be a smart individual...
[05:34] <philipballew> made it there I see kdub
[05:34] <philipballew> unless your planes crash site has wifi...
[05:39] <kdub> On the bart
[05:39] <bkerensa> philipballew: so I just confirmed with someone who is on-site for UDS now
[05:39] <kdub> This is mildly scary :P
[05:39] <bkerensa> and when you check-in just tell you decline incidentals and they will not require the card
[05:39] <bkerensa> ;D
[05:39] <bkerensa> jono's team arrived early :P
[05:39] <philipballew> kdub, the bart is awesome!
[05:39] <bkerensa> kdub: where on the BART system are you now?
[05:40] <philipballew> sounds good bkerensa
[05:41] <kdub> Lul, by the oakland stadium
[05:41] <bkerensa> heh
[05:41] <bkerensa> kdub: u arrived pretty early
[05:41] <bkerensa> :D
[05:47] <philipballew> Im gonna see a game there this next week probably
[05:48] <philipballew> bkerensa, so by incidentals you mean insurance?
[05:49] <philipballew> as in I cant party hard, wreck the place then just walk away?
[05:49] <bkerensa> philipballew: incidentals = Pay Per View Movies, Room Service, International Calls etc
[05:49] <bkerensa> philipballew: we get Wifi for free ;)
[05:49] <bkerensa> so for any of that stuff you would have to have a card on file or a cash deposit
[05:50] <philipballew> I would never do anything like that myself
[05:51] <philipballew> the hotel's charge an arm and a lef for that. I could easily bring my own dvd player to the hotel with my own movies and hook it up to their tv
[05:51] <philipballew> *leg
[05:51] <pleia2> isn't it sad that the first thing I think of when I think of bart being scary is bart cops shooting people?
[05:52] <philipballew> What a tragic day, that was made even more tragic as it was blown up by the media solely for the sake of making a profit.
[05:53] <philipballew> I once rode the light rail in sac and the train in front of us ran over someone and cut them in half.
[05:53] <philipballew> thats scary
[05:54] <pleia2> yeah, I was on a bart train coming home from the airport when it hit someone (well, they jumped in front of the train, suicide)
[05:54] <pleia2> we got to evacuate in a bart tunnel, it was all kinds of excitement
[05:54] <philipballew> what a sad way to die.
[05:54] <pleia2> and sad, I felt a bit anxious and sick the next time I had to ride bart
[05:55] <philipballew> Makes you wonder what happens in their life that does not happen in mine.
[05:56] <philipballew> with so many sucide prevention programs out there via churches and government programs sometimes you wonder, but for some people they will not make the first move to get help. Only accept when somebody offers.
[05:56] <pleia2> hopelessness is a powerful thing
[05:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: this happened today?
[05:58] <bkerensa> =/
[05:58] <pleia2> bkerensa: no, a few months ago
[05:58] <bkerensa> oh
[05:58] <bkerensa> >.<
[05:58] <bkerensa> still bad
[05:58] <philipballew> Indeed it is. As fellow human beings I believe it is our job to help out our brothers and sisters who are struggling.
[05:58] <pleia2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhNBCRggdYg
[05:58]  * pleia2 took a video of the evacuation ^^
[05:58] <bkerensa> I have always feared the might bart.... I always think somehow the wind of the tunnels will suck me onto the third rail
[05:58] <bkerensa> :(
[05:59] <bkerensa> mighty*
[05:59] <philipballew> gotta help a brother out is the slang today I think
[05:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: there are fun times on bart too though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtZyA0GPKM
[05:59] <pleia2> bkerensa: most times on bart are good :)
[05:59] <pleia2> MarkDude has gone on as a penguin
[05:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: so uhh what were you walking on in the tunnel?
[06:00] <pleia2> bkerensa: yes
[06:00] <bkerensa> I would totally refuse to get off the train
[06:00] <bkerensa> :(
[06:00] <bkerensa> im cool on all that
[06:00] <bkerensa> there are huge rats and electrical rails and such
[06:00] <MarkDude> Wow
[06:00] <pleia2> I like rats
[06:01] <MarkDude> I would feel better if wearing rthe penguin suit during evacuation
[06:01] <pleia2> hehe
[06:01] <MarkDude> I would take charge
[06:01] <philipballew> when I was there in sac when I saw the body, my brother has the stupic idea taking pictures of the body was a good idea. GOt talked to by sac pd
[06:01] <philipballew> *stupid
[06:01] <philipballew> *got
[06:01] <MarkDude> and tell people which direction to head- while motioning with my flippers
[06:01] <pleia2> the whole situation was a mess, they kept being like "ok, now we're going to bring the other train up to this one and you'll walk across a platform ....scratch that, we'll think of something else"
[06:01] <MarkDude> People *would hella * listen
[06:01] <pleia2> ..like they've never done this before?!
[06:02] <MarkDude> Well they have pics of how to do it
[06:02] <pleia2> hehe
[06:02] <bkerensa> pleia2: I like rats too... I own one but not the kind in the tunnels
[06:02] <MarkDude> But they dont really know
[06:02] <bkerensa> those are like cambodian river rats
[06:02] <bkerensa> :D
[06:02] <pleia2> everyone was very nice though :)
[06:02] <philipballew> i like rats the size of dogs
[06:02] <pleia2> even the cops who had to interview everyone on the train
[06:03]  * MarkDude avoids making jokes about being scared of bart cops
[06:03] <MarkDude> depending on color range
[06:03] <pleia2> MarkDude: I took care of it
[06:03] <pleia2> 22:51:13 < pleia2> isn't it sad that the first thing I think of when I think of bart being scary is bart cops shooting people?
[06:04] <philipballew> Dont taze me bro!
[06:04] <MarkDude> Well sadly, based on color
[06:04] <pleia2> then we decided that trains hitting people was scary, and then you joined :)
[06:04] <bkerensa> Portland was bad today http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/0/6/e/06e955d0-c00d-4f88-ab5d-783478608b58/Story.jpg
[06:04] <pleia2> and yeah, I'd be pretty safe from bart cops, as would penguin MarkDude
[06:04] <bkerensa> so glad I didnt go downtown
[06:05] <philipballew> I wonder if the person shot was wearing a "hoodie"
[06:05] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh my, what's going on?
[06:05] <MarkDude> Well, its one of the few areas I feel white Privilege
[06:05]  * MarkDude knoww he he has it, but never thinks of it
[06:05] <philipballew> I feel it in sd everyday
[06:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: uhh apparently the occupy folk decided to throw smoke bombs all day
[06:06] <bkerensa> http://columbian.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2012/05/01/X216_18CC_9_t640.jpg?a6ea3ebd4438a44b86d2e9c39ecf7613005fe067
[06:06] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh dear :(
[06:06] <bkerensa> cop pulling a guy off his bicycle
[06:06] <bkerensa> ^
[06:06] <bkerensa> yeah its been pretty bad here
[06:06] <philipballew> Its weird to be in City Heights and then go on back to where I live in Point Loma and see the big difference of the way people look
[06:06]  * bkerensa was watching video on KGW earlier and cops were batoning people who were already handcuffed
[06:06] <bkerensa> :(
[06:06] <pleia2> :(
[06:07] <MarkDude> WHO watches the watchers......
[06:07] <philipballew> I got called a idiot by a cop last friday
[06:07] <pleia2> we do! public outrage!
[06:07] <MarkDude> Walnut Creek police, I fell vary safe around them, and would only be worried about tickets
[06:07] <philipballew> I was riding critical mass though. I think everybody hates Critical Mass
[06:07] <MarkDude> Oakland PD scares the hell out of me
[06:07] <bkerensa> MarkDude: funny you say that
[06:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude: there was a sureveillance van parked at Orenco Station in Hillsboro in a non-parking zone and some guy setup a webcam to watch the van
[06:08] <bkerensa> :D
[06:08] <pleia2> I used to work 3rd shift at a gas station, I've had far more friendly encounters with cops than otherwise
[06:08] <MarkDude> philipballew, Critical Mas loves Portland, they stopped their shutdowns there
[06:08] <pleia2> as an 18 year old girl working alone at night in a gas station they looked out for me
[06:09] <MarkDude> pleia2, me too
[06:09] <philipballew> MarkDude, yeah. We run all the redlghts and tend to get high fives from the people in cars, but yelled at by cops
[06:09] <MarkDude> BUT, Oakland is notorious
[06:09] <MarkDude> Google Rough Riders
[06:09] <MarkDude> they got matching tattoos
[06:09] <MarkDude> planted evidence
[06:09] <pleia2> is there anything in Oakland that isn't scary? :)
[06:09] <MarkDude> and beat folks regularly
[06:09] <pleia2> the California Museum isn't scary! that place is awesome
[06:09] <MarkDude> HIPPIES
[06:10] <pleia2> and the A's <3
[06:10] <MarkDude> they have lots of those
[06:10] <MarkDude> Yes the A;s
[06:10] <pleia2> the Raiders are scary :)
[06:10]  * MarkDude was just going to say that
[06:10] <MarkDude> lol
[06:10] <pleia2> hehe
[06:11] <philipballew> Berkley is nice
[06:11] <MarkDude> Yes it is
[06:11] <MarkDude> Altho it can be silly
[06:11]  * philipballew didn't get accepted there
[06:11] <pleia2> there is a lot of granola there
[06:11] <pleia2> :)
[06:12] <bkerensa> Im kind of glad the occupation got shut down here... I dont much like income inequality or bailouts but I also didnt like the drug haven our city parks turned into
[06:12] <bkerensa> =/
[06:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, there was a lot of vandalism and not cool stuff happening at ours too
[06:12] <bkerensa> yeah
[06:12] <bkerensa> I went down to the parks
[06:12] <bkerensa> and have people uhh Linux
[06:12] <bkerensa> :)
[06:12] <MarkDude> My friend was interviewed by detectives from there, for a serious crime. they said he matched th picture- (of a black dude. and my friend is half Filipino, half Irish
[06:12] <philipballew> One day drugs will be legalized and something else will be the new drug
[06:13] <bkerensa> and it was a hot mess.... lots of littering... pollution.... drugs... alcohol.... crazy people yelling at media and cops
[06:13] <philipballew> I say we make fruit illegal. All the kids will be rebels and eat fruit.
[06:13] <MarkDude> lol
[06:13] <bkerensa> Illegal Dog Fighting: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bkerensa/6338683191/in/set-72157627710899733/
[06:13] <bkerensa> it was all bad
[06:13] <pleia2> maybe vegetables
[06:13] <philipballew> Carrot party!!!
[06:15] <bkerensa> :D
[06:15] <pleia2> ok, open week starts tomorrow which means I need to get to bed so I can be up early
[06:16] <pleia2> good night :)
[06:16] <bkerensa> gnight
[06:17] <philipballew> who ever invented college finals. I really dislike you right now
[06:17] <dax> I feel the same way about whoever invented annotated bibliographies.
[06:18] <MarkDude> Laters pleia2
[06:18] <dax> although at least we get to pick our own sources, so I'm annotating things like K&R and _Free Software, Free Society_
[06:18] <philipballew> dax, wanna teach me physics?
[06:18] <dax> which bit of it?
[06:18] <philipballew> hum. Im working on mass vs weight right now
[06:19] <dax> ah, classical mechanics? that's kinda fun
[06:19] <dax> ball goes up in air, ball comes down, model using math*
[06:19] <dax> * assume that friction, non-vacuums, and things that aren't spheres don't exist
[06:20] <philipballew> and then it lands and friction comes into play
[06:32] <bkerensa> Darkwing: Does BlueSystems realize that distrowatch rankings are worthless?
[06:33] <dax> Distrowatch rankings are extremely useful. When someone cites them as a useful source for distribution userbase, you know not to listen to the rest of their argument \o/
[06:35] <philipballew> how does distrowatch get their numbers?
[06:35] <philipballew> Id say the biggest dirsto out there is hands down debian
[06:36] <dax> philipballew: page views on distrowatch's site
[06:36] <philipballew> because its the base of all of ubuntu, linux mint
[06:37] <philipballew> dax, I should write s acript to view the gentoo page 100,000 times a day. See if I can make it number 1
[06:37] <dax> When you visit http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint , it increases the distrowatch ranking for Mint slightly, which leads to people writing articles about Mint being popular on Distrowatch, so people to go Mint's distrowatch page to see, so Mint's distrowatch ranking goes up...
[06:37] <dax> same thing happened with Ubuntu in the past. The site's completely useless for statistical purposes.
[06:39] <philipballew> ubuntu has more twitter followers
[06:40] <bkerensa> wait
[06:40]  * philipballew waits
[06:41] <bkerensa> pleia2 said she was going to bed for open week? but what happened to ask mark
[06:41] <bkerensa> http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/ask-mark-on-may-1st-ubuntu-open-week-from-may-2-4/
[06:41] <bkerensa> that was supposedly today?
[06:41] <philipballew> bkerensa, it happened
[06:41] <philipballew> 2 to 3 pm
[06:41] <bkerensa> philipballew: oh
[06:41] <bkerensa> the blog post was also today so I thought someone got confused
[06:41] <bkerensa> philipballew: what channel was it in?
[06:41] <philipballew> bkerensa, you should lead a session tomorow. there is an open slot
[06:41] <bkerensa> LOL
[06:41] <bkerensa> not a chance
[06:41] <bkerensa> :D
[06:42]  * bkerensa will be sleeping like a baby
[06:42] <philipballew> why not?
[06:42] <bkerensa> ^
[06:42] <bkerensa> I do not wake early :)
[06:42] <philipballew> i wake early and stay up late. A bad combo
[06:43] <bkerensa> philipballew: I stay up till like 2-3am
[06:43] <bkerensa> :D
[06:43] <bkerensa> sometimes 5am
[06:43] <philipballew> what do you do?
[06:45] <bkerensa> philipballew: Various projects
[06:45] <bkerensa> mostly wordpress dev stuff
[06:46] <philipballew> usually If I am up late I am working on my bike or doing something with tools
[06:46] <bkerensa> oh
[06:46] <bkerensa> I thought you meant for living
[06:46] <bkerensa> well most nights.... just hacking on some Juju... reading lots of news.... lots of blog reading
[06:46] <bkerensa> :D
[06:48] <philipballew> for a living a fix point Loma Nazarene computer hardware
[06:48] <bkerensa> philipballew: Its funny because I go through weird sleeping phases... Last year I went to bed by 7pm every night and woke at 4am
[06:48] <philipballew> Broken mobo, let me fix that
[06:50] <philipballew> I just mad a custom ubuntu os that someone is going to put on laptops and give to pastors in Urban LA and also Africa. Its really pumped about it.
[06:50] <philipballew> s/its/im
[06:53] <philipballew> bkerensa, finals week has destroyed my sleep pattern. I will hopefully be able to survive uds with this messed up sleep pattern
[06:54] <dax> My sleep pattern's doing okay, if you discount naps. I've been avoiding caffeine and it seems to be helping.
[06:54] <philipballew> 6th cup today
[06:55] <dax> yeah, see, all that's doing is setting you up to be horribly tired in a few hours
[06:56] <philipballew> rrue, but ill manage as long as I get mthrough wednesday
[06:57] <philipballew> Physics final then chem final. Next a precalculas final, followed right after by a Christian Tradition essay I have to type
[06:58] <philipballew> abd email by 8pm tomorow
[06:58] <philipballew> 8and
[06:58] <philipballew> *and
[06:59] <philipballew> man, my spelling is bad when Im stressed
[07:00] <philipballew> I can do it.
[07:03] <philipballew> you should be jealous dax
[12:17] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[12:20] <BigWhale> Before UDS, I'll arrive at SFO on 5th. Because I want to spend some time in the city before I head to Oakland, I was wondering if there's a place I could store my baggage for the time being? Perhaps at the BART station?
[14:52] <pleia2> bkerensa: the blog post was made the night before, which was May 1st UTC time, but not our time ;)
[14:52] <bkerensa> ahh
[14:52] <pleia2> BigWhale: not really :(
[14:54] <BigWhale> pleia2, yeah, I noticed. :) I made such a perfect plan for 5th, then my wife screwed it up completely by asking me what will I do with my suitcases ... :>>
[14:54] <pleia2> BigWhale: do you know your schedule? I live right downtown and if we can coordinate properly you can drop your stuff off at my place
[14:55] <bkerensa> :D
[14:55] <bkerensa> pleia2: your quite the host offering people so much :)
[14:56] <pleia2> bkerensa: it's not much trouble :)
[14:57]  * bkerensa wonders how much trouble it would be to host MarkDude and Co when they come up in June :P
[14:57] <BigWhale> pleia2, wow, that would be awesome.
[14:57] <BigWhale> pleia2, I land at SFO at 1pm
[14:57] <bkerensa> pleia2: has it been warm in the Bay Area as of lately?
[14:57] <BigWhale> then I was planning to take BART to err ..
[14:57] <BigWhale> .. Powell St.
[14:58] <BigWhale> apparently there's an apple store right there.
[14:58] <pleia2> BigWhale: ok, take it one stop further to Montgomery street and walk down New Montgomery street (that will be south of market) then find a coffee shop with wifi (starbucks will have it) and grab me on IRC
[14:58] <pleia2> I live at the end of New Montgomery Street, it's 2 long blocks from the station
[14:58] <BigWhale> this sounds like a disaster plan :)))
[14:59] <BigWhale> but I'll remember it.
[15:37] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh, re: weather, it was in the 70s over the weekend but it's back down to the typical 50s
[15:47] <pleia2> iheartubuntu is doing an open week session on gaming over in #ubuntu-classroom at 9 :)
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> god help me
[15:48] <pleia2> haha, you'll be fine
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> i ate some wheaties
[16:25] <BigWhale> at 9_
[16:25] <BigWhale> _
[16:25] <BigWhale> ?
[16:25] <BigWhale> what timezone? :>
[16:29] <pleia2> BigWhale: you're in the California channel :) it's 9:30 here
[16:29] <DonkeyHotei> am
[16:29] <DonkeyHotei> i'm guessing the session is pm
[16:30] <pleia2> no, it's now
[16:30] <DonkeyHotei> oh.
[16:30] <pleia2> I would have said 21:00 otherwise ;)
[16:30] <DonkeyHotei> i never liked 24hr clocks
[16:30] <ezri> try 24-hour clocks set to UTC. It's 1630 right now >.>
[16:31] <DonkeyHotei> /ns info rww
[16:31] <DonkeyHotei> oops
[16:32] <DonkeyHotei> heh, someone registered Jadzia in alabama just 3 days ago
[17:06] <iheartubuntu> well that was fun! i wished i had been running lernid to see how it looked
[17:07] <pleia2> :)
[17:53] <MarkDude> Darkwing, are you able to go to the A's game next Thursday?
[17:53] <Darkwing> MarkDude: I don't see why not. :D
[17:53] <Darkwing> How much for tix?
[17:54] <MarkDude> $4
[17:54] <MarkDude> rather cheap
[17:54] <MarkDude> and we can also bring foos in
[17:54] <MarkDude> So its even cheaper
[17:56] <MarkDude> I just found out Thurs is the day the UW is meeting , so that sucks. But I am guessing some of them will be happier if I dont attend ;)
[17:56]  * MarkDude knows he is looked at by some as Feminist Hulk
[17:57] <MarkDude> https://twitter.com/#!/FEMINISTHULK
[17:57] <pleia2> MarkDude: I scheduled it months ago :)
[17:58] <pleia2> it's been on our UDS project page and posted to the UW list
[17:58] <pleia2> but we only really have 2 evenings to use, so lots of overlap in events was inevitable
[17:58] <pleia2> I am sad I can't go to Debian dinner or A's game!
[17:59] <MarkDude> pleia2, well, considering how my association with UW stressed a few during my Mark S issue. I think its best this way
[17:59]  * MarkDude loves UW
[17:59] <akk> Aw, that was a while ago.
[17:59] <pleia2> I'm not actually sure who is coming out
[17:59] <MarkDude> And needs to keep a bit of distance
[17:59] <MarkDude> In case Mark S needs his balls squeezed again, shhhhhhh
[17:59] <MarkDude> lol
[18:00]  * MarkDude thinks he will be better behaved now
[18:00]  * MarkDude is looking forawrd to to seeing him in person, all joking aside
[18:01] <MarkDude> And taking a pic with him, while I am wearing the Beefy Miracle shirt, that will be epic
[18:04]  * MarkDude hopes grantbow will be able to make it also
[18:05] <MarkDude> UDS will be more fun with Dangerous G there
[18:14] <bkerensa> =o
[20:11] <philipballew> would opt be the best place to place my own scripts or my ~ folder?
[20:11] <pleia2> standard places tend to be /usr/share/local/ or ~/bin
[20:11] <pleia2> opt isn't really used on deb-based systems
[20:12] <akk> I always put my own stuff in ~/bin
[20:12] <pleia2> me too
[20:12] <akk> unless I'm testing an installer or deb package.
[20:13] <philipballew> alright. and then Ill just set the alias of it so I dont need to set the file path for each time I run it I guess.
[20:15] <philipballew> thank you pleia2 and akk
[20:15] <akk> philipballew: Put ~/bin in your path, if it isn't already.
[20:16] <philipballew> I need to be more aware of the system differences between debian and other distros
[20:16] <akk> I have it first in my path, so my own scripts override anything system-installed.
[20:16] <philipballew> Though I joke in here like all other distros are bad, I use other distros.
[20:17] <philipballew> akk, so therefore you can write your own system scripts to take the place I see?
[20:18] <philipballew> all  prepped for uds akk?
[20:20] <akk> No prep needed for this one (except figuring out how to get there, and I'm still fuzzy on that :)
[20:21] <akk> Well, and look at the schedule to figure out what talks to go to, but last time I looked it was still pretty empty.
[20:21] <pleia2> unfortunately it doesn't really get populated until about Sunday or so, and it changes throughout the week
[20:22] <pleia2> it's all workshops and they tend to expect people to be there the whole time, so a rigid schedule isn't a priority
[20:22] <akk> Okay, so set aside several hours Sunday night to look at schedule. Check. :)
[20:22] <philipballew> I wish I had time this week, but its finals week.
[20:22] <philipballew> So saturday ill look
[20:22] <akk> I don't need rigid, but I need to know "What's the earliest thing I'm absolutely driven to attend tomorrow morning" each day.
[20:23] <akk> Once I'm there I'm flexible, but it'll take an hour and a half minimum to get there.
[20:23] <pleia2> yay, the UW session made it on the schedule \o/
[20:23] <pleia2> thursday at noon
[20:23] <akk> yay! Though that one I already knew about, from your mail.
[20:23] <philipballew> akk, are you commuting everyday
[20:24] <akk> philipballew: yes
[20:24] <philipballew> That sounds fun!
[20:24] <akk> ugh, you can do the commute for me, then :)
[20:24] <pleia2> I send too many emails, one was for Ubuntu Open Week tomorrow (so, this Thursday) and the other was for Ubuntu Women dinner (next week, Thursday night)
[20:25] <akk> I for one appreciate the emails, pleia2
[20:25] <philipballew> Is that similar to the one at Scale?
[20:25] <akk> Very helpful for keeping track of what's going on!
[20:25] <pleia2> too many thursdays :)
[20:25]  * philipballew loves getting emails!
[20:25] <pleia2> philipballew: no, we're actually doing proper dinner at my home
[20:26] <philipballew> Oh wow. That sounds fun!
[20:29] <pleia2> wow, the schedule actually does have a fair amount on it already
[22:42] <pleia2> oh, right, my UW session for open week is *friday*
[22:42] <pleia2> my poor brain, also - woo I don't need to scramble to write it after the girl geek dinner!