| === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero | ||
| inetpro | good mornings | 09:34 |
|---|---|---|
| superfly | morning inetpro | 09:47 |
| charlvn | morning inetpro | 09:55 |
| charlvn | how goes it | 09:55 |
| inetpro | charlvn: good and yourself | 09:56 |
| inetpro | just feels like a Monday today | 09:56 |
| charlvn | goinhg well | 09:56 |
| charlvn | *going | 09:56 |
| charlvn | busy messing with oracle today | 09:57 |
| charlvn | inetpro: btw, do you know what happened to floss.pro? site seems a bit kaput | 09:59 |
| inetpro | charlvn: I think kmf just gave up maintaining it properly due to the popularity of other social media and micro-blogging sites | 10:01 |
| charlvn | yeah not that i blame him or anything | 10:02 |
| inetpro | even myself prefers to limit the number of subscriptions to social media sites | 10:03 |
| charlvn | the only thing i am still using is linkedin | 10:03 |
| charlvn | the rest i all gave up on quite some time ago | 10:04 |
| charlvn | even twitter eventually just turned into a whole lot of popularity wh***** now i just use irc | 10:04 |
| inetpro | linkedin is one of those I decided to pass | 10:04 |
| charlvn | i actually don't like it one bit | 10:04 |
| charlvn | but... it's hard to stay off it now cause practically everyone is using it to find/advertise jobs | 10:04 |
| charlvn | and a couple of months ago i was looking for a job so i didn't have too much choice | 10:05 |
| inetpro | charlvn: have you become a European now? | 10:07 |
| charlvn | lol | 10:08 |
| charlvn | now i need to start working on my paranoia | 10:08 |
| * inetpro noticed the @cl-2393.ams-05.nl.sixxs.net | 10:08 | |
| charlvn | that doesn't mean much, it's a sixxs tunnel | 10:09 |
| charlvn | ipv6 | 10:09 |
| charlvn | ayiya/aiccu | 10:09 |
| inetpro | charlvn: BTW, kmf had other ideas with floss.pro but I guess he hasn't started changing anything yet | 10:12 |
| inetpro | was talking about changing to to a simple blog | 10:12 |
| charlvn | interesting | 10:13 |
| charlvn | although blogging is so 2005 ;) | 10:13 |
| inetpro | true | 10:14 |
| kbmonkey_ | hello | 10:29 |
| nlsthzn | hello | 10:29 |
| kbmonkey_ | just popping in to say hi quick :] | 10:29 |
| nlsthzn | how r u kbmonkey_ ? | 10:29 |
| kbmonkey_ | hey I grew a tail_ | 10:29 |
| kbmonkey_ | i'm good, how are you doing nlsthzn? | 10:30 |
| === kbmonkey_ is now known as kbmonkey | ||
| kbmonkey | +1 for the paranoia charlvn | 10:31 |
| nlsthzn | ok thx | 10:31 |
| kbmonkey | strange, PuTTy ssh shows characters all messed up | 10:33 |
| Kerbero | Symmetri1, can we get ubuntu 12.04 DVD images on mirror.ac.za please? | 10:36 |
| Kerbero | unless they are there and i'm overlooking them | 10:36 |
| kbmonkey | I wish there was a place to download linux distros without paying for bandwidth | 10:37 |
| Kerbero | mirror.ac.za | 10:37 |
| Kerbero | ftp.sun.ac.za | 10:37 |
| Kerbero | both are free for me :) | 10:37 |
| Kerbero | kbmonkey, where are you? | 10:37 |
| kbmonkey | in durbs at the moment | 10:37 |
| Kerbero | ai ok | 10:37 |
| kbmonkey | is that on the mweb account? | 10:37 |
| Kerbero | no | 10:38 |
| Kerbero | university network | 10:38 |
| Kerbero | in stellenbosch we have wifi on which those two are free | 10:38 |
| kbmonkey | of course, so jealous! ;P | 10:38 |
| Kerbero | open wifi | 10:38 |
| kbmonkey | for the public I mean | 10:38 |
| Kerbero | jip | 10:38 |
| Kerbero | public can connect to it | 10:38 |
| kbmonkey | it should be a basic neccesity, free distros | 10:39 |
| Kerbero | free repo's | 10:39 |
| Kerbero | repoes :P | 10:39 |
| kbmonkey | not free bandwidth :/ | 10:39 |
| kbmonkey | I checked, upgrade to 12.04 will be about 800M | 10:40 |
| Kerbero | i did a beta2 install this weekend | 10:40 |
| Kerbero | and then upgraded | 10:40 |
| tumbleweed | kbmonkey: can't you access ftp.leg.uct.ac.za from stellenbosch? | 10:40 |
| Kerbero | almost 300MB | 10:40 |
| tumbleweed | err Kerbero | 10:40 |
| kbmonkey | I'd rather get a install disc than upgrade in that case | 10:40 |
| Kerbero | hmm | 10:40 |
| Kerbero | tumbleweed, i guess i can but i'll pay for it | 10:40 |
| tumbleweed | I maent free | 10:41 |
| kbmonkey | only 300? it probably depends how much you have installed then | 10:41 |
| kbmonkey | the upgrader doesn't show you how much, so my info is from other people's | 10:41 |
| Kerbero | clean install, then upgrade | 10:41 |
| kbmonkey | to tide me over till I get a cd, I moved to a new window manager. | 10:42 |
| Kerbero | tumbleweed, first tests seems to be open | 10:42 |
| Kerbero | indeed | 10:43 |
| kbmonkey | your upgrade went good Kerbero? how is it running? | 10:43 |
| Kerbero | kbmonkey, note it was from beta 12.04 | 10:44 |
| Kerbero | so not much changed | 10:44 |
| Kerbero | and it is perfect | 10:44 |
| Kerbero | no problems | 10:44 |
| Kerbero | i will never upgrade between releases | 10:44 |
| kbmonkey | clean install is a nice reason to do spring cleaning ;) | 10:44 |
| Kerbero | i hav emy /home on a HDD | 10:45 |
| Kerbero | and the rest on a SSD | 10:45 |
| Kerbero | so every time i reinstall i just mount the HDD again | 10:45 |
| Kerbero | and delete most of the .*'s | 10:45 |
| Kerbero | tumbleweed, do you have an example sources.list for use with ftp.leg? | 10:52 |
| Kerbero | ie, all possible repos on there for ubuntu | 10:52 |
| tumbleweed | Kerbero: it's one of the registered mirrors, you'll find it in software sources | 10:54 |
| tumbleweed | but http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/ubuntu as you'd expect | 10:55 |
| Kerbero | yes, but what i actually meant was, do you also mirror other stuff liek medibuntu et al? | 10:55 |
| tumbleweed | Kerbero: the reason I pointed at LEG was that you asked for the DVDs, we have those | 10:55 |
| tumbleweed | Kerbero: yes | 10:55 |
| tumbleweed | Kerbero: http://www.leg.uct.ac.za/mirrors/linux/ubuntu | 10:55 |
| Kerbero | aha | 10:56 |
| Kerbero | that is what i was looking for | 10:56 |
| Kerbero | thanx | 10:56 |
| tumbleweed | otherwise just poke around the mirror :) | 10:56 |
| === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] | ||
| === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero | ||
| * nlsthzn zzzzz cheers | 12:49 | |
| superfly | . | 15:31 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: ping | 17:03 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: hi | 17:21 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: I'm busy looking through the new maintainers guide, but I remember we were looking at transforming my existing Ubuntu PPA stuff into something more suitable for Debian | 17:22 |
| * superfly just quickly gets LP set up on Debian | 17:24 | |
| tumbleweed | superfly: I think your next steps are: prepare a package, and figure out if you want to join a team in debian or do it on your own | 17:26 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: OK, what does joining a team involve (briefly)? | 17:26 |
| superfly | and which is better? | 17:26 |
| tumbleweed | the team is useful if you want to get more involved with other stuff the team does | 17:27 |
| tumbleweed | http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonAppsPackagingTeam | 17:27 |
| superfly | ah | 17:27 |
| tumbleweed | all papt packages live in svn together | 17:27 |
| tumbleweed | but if you are just caring about your own package, you might as well just go at it alone | 17:28 |
| tumbleweed | http://python-apps.alioth.debian.org/policy.html for some background | 17:28 |
| tumbleweed | being in a team usually makes it easier to get sponsorship, but in this case, it proabbly wouldn't | 17:29 |
| superfly | OK | 17:29 |
| tumbleweed | I'm the most active sponsor, by a long way :( | 17:29 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: :-( | 17:30 |
| superfly | yeah, not that I want to sound nasty, but I don't want to help out with other packages - I just don't have the time | 17:31 |
| superfly | So I don't think being in the team will be beneficial to either me or the team | 17:31 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: in the maintainers guide, it talks about running "dh_make" - but I don't see that on my system. Is the guide a little old? Am I looking for the wrong command? | 17:35 |
| tumbleweed | np (sorry, attention divided between IRC and the stove) | 17:35 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: no worries. | 17:36 |
| tumbleweed | there's a separate packaeg for dh_make | 17:36 |
| superfly | ah | 17:36 |
| tumbleweed | it just creates boilerplate debian/ stuff | 17:36 |
| superfly | yup, I figured so | 17:37 |
| superfly | I'll carry on with the guide then :-) | 17:37 |
| superfly | hi magespawn | 18:02 |
| magespawn | Hey superfly | 18:03 |
| apie | Naand o/ | 19:04 |
| superfly | naand apie | 19:05 |
| inetpro | good evening | 19:06 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: OK, I have successfully generated a package - should I play a bit with lintian and see if I can make it better? | 19:06 |
| * superfly plays with lintian a bit | 19:07 | |
| tumbleweed | superfly: when you think it's ready, I'll do a round of review on it | 19:21 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: OK, just trying to figure out how to get my manpage to work | 19:22 |
| apie | What are you working on superfly? | 19:23 |
| superfly | apie: a debian package for my OpenLP project | 19:24 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: I have an "openlp.1" file in my "debian" directory, but it is not being picked up... any ideas on what I need to do to have it included in the package? | 19:25 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: mention it in debian/manpages | 19:26 |
| superfly | ah | 19:26 |
| tumbleweed | dh_installmanpages will do the rest | 19:26 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: one other question... the software version is 1.9.9, should my package version be 1.9.9 or 1.9.9-1 ? | 19:27 |
| apie | Neat! Well i'll let you get on with it. | 19:27 |
| magespawn | Superfly once you are finished what does that achieve? | 19:27 |
| superfly | from what I can tell, it should be the latter | 19:27 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: 1.9.9-1. 1.99 would be for a native version | 19:27 |
| tumbleweed | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version | 19:28 |
| superfly | magespawn: I'll hopefully be able to get my project into the Debian repos, and thereby into the Ubuntu repos | 19:28 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: gotcha, now I understand, thanks! | 19:29 |
| magespawn | Ahh right i see, so ppl could then install from the ubuntu software manager | 19:29 |
| superfly | yup | 19:30 |
| magespawn | Are you the only one working on the development? | 19:31 |
| apie | Liking AndChat, android IRC. If only i had my phone charger. | 19:32 |
| magespawn | Apie I am using androIRC, also have Quassel client installed | 19:33 |
| apie | I hear quassel mentioned often, i guess it works well? | 19:35 |
| magespawn | Yup especially if you set up your own server with the core to connect to. | 19:36 |
| apie | A server? Like a proxy for all your chats? | 19:37 |
| inetpro | apie: see http://quassel-irc.org/ | 19:38 |
| magespawn | The core stays connected to the irc all the time and your client connects to that. | 19:39 |
| apie | I have irc 24/7 in a remote shell which i ssh into | 19:39 |
| inetpro | or http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki | 19:39 |
| apie | Okay i see. Neat. | 19:41 |
| apie | Enjoy the packaging superfly. Gn folks, sweet dreams | 19:44 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/openlp/debian-package | 19:44 |
| superfly | magespawn: no, we have a team of about 5 regular developers, and a few "contributors" | 19:45 |
| magespawn | Cool, language? | 19:46 |
| superfly | Python of course :-) | 19:46 |
| magespawn | Hah, sweet. | 19:48 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: we recommend using a separate repository for packaging | 19:51 |
| tumbleweed | although if you are the only maintainer of the package in debian, that's of less importance | 19:51 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: I can do that | 19:51 |
| tumbleweed | you probably want to use bzr-buildpackage's merge-mode: http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/merge.html | 19:52 |
| tumbleweed | to do that, you create a .bzr-builddeb/default.conf containing: | 19:53 |
| tumbleweed | [BUILDDEB] | 19:53 |
| tumbleweed | merge = True | 19:53 |
| tumbleweed | and have a debian directory in the base of the repository | 19:53 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: like this? https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/openlp/debian-package | 20:00 |
| tumbleweed | yes, that checks out in a few seconds :) | 20:01 |
| tumbleweed | now you can use bzr bd to build it | 20:02 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: firstly: I'd drop all the old changelog entries. Don't they they are useful to anyone | 20:03 |
| superfly | yeah, will do | 20:03 |
| * superfly needs to get the manpage into trunk now | 20:03 | |
| tumbleweed | are there other packages in debian which are competitors? | 20:03 |
| tumbleweed | you may want to generate your manpage from rst / something | 20:04 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: competitors, as in similar applications? | 20:04 |
| tumbleweed | yes, the reason I ask is: Priority: extra | 20:04 |
| tumbleweed | extra is usually an alternative of an optional package in the archive | 20:05 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: oh, no I don't think there are... that's just what was there previously | 20:05 |
| tumbleweed | so you probably want optional | 20:05 |
| superfly | right | 20:05 |
| tumbleweed | the latest version of debian-policy is 3.9.3 | 20:05 |
| tumbleweed | VCS fields: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-vcs | 20:06 |
| tumbleweed | DEP5 released: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ | 20:08 |
| superfly | OK, I'll look into that (need to just confer with the rest of my team about a more permanent place to put it) | 20:08 |
| superfly | so I should use that URL instead of the one I have? | 20:09 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 20:10 |
| superfly | gotcha | 20:10 |
| tumbleweed | you want to be 3.0 (quilt) now | 20:10 |
| tumbleweed | and add a watch file | 20:10 |
| superfly | alrighty, pushing those changes up | 20:19 |
| tumbleweed | More package cleanups <- not that relevant :) | 20:20 |
| superfly | heh, true | 20:20 |
| tumbleweed | I don't think debian uupdate is appropriate when you are using bzr-builddeb | 20:21 |
| superfly | OK | 20:22 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: err, the watch file also doesn't work | 20:24 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: mm, it was a shot in the dark, not sure exactly how to test it out | 20:24 |
| tumbleweed | uscan --verbose --report | 20:25 |
| tumbleweed | http://sf.net/openlp/OpenLP-(.+)\.tar\.gz <- works | 20:26 |
| superfly | ah, OK | 20:26 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: the js file you point to in debian/copyright has moved | 20:28 |
| superfly | ta | 20:28 |
| tumbleweed | also, the JS is all minified. We don't like that, as it's not really suitable for modification | 20:28 |
| tumbleweed | either include both minified and unminified, or don't minify, or minify during the build | 20:29 |
| superfly | OK | 20:30 |
| tumbleweed | (IIRC the popular minifier is non-free, so the last option may be harder) | 20:31 |
| tumbleweed | aah, but there are tons of free ones in the archive to | 20:31 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: it doesn't matter if it's not minified | 20:34 |
| superfly | I just default to the minified versions | 20:34 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, many people do | 20:35 |
| superfly | old habits die hard ;-) | 20:35 |
| tumbleweed | http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?message_id=%3c20111026170814.GA28720%40rivendell.home.ouaza.com%3e if you are interested... | 20:36 |
| tumbleweed | of course it doesn't currently build because manpage isn't in the 1.99 tarball | 20:39 |
| tumbleweed | P: openlp source: source-contains-bzr-control-dir .bzr | 20:40 |
| tumbleweed | P: openlp source: source-contains-prebuilt-windows-binary resources/windows/psvince.dll | 20:40 |
| tumbleweed | W: openlp: embedded-javascript-library usr/share/openlp/openlp/plugins/remotes/html/jquery.js | 20:40 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: yes, I'm busy adding that and fixing the other bits up so that I can get them into trunk | 20:41 |
| superfly | We can't really remove the Windows binary from bzr, it's used on Windows | 20:43 |
| tumbleweed | but does it need to be in the source tarball? | 20:43 |
| tumbleweed | is there any source for it? | 20:44 |
| superfly | I think there might be source, but I don't build the Windows stuff | 20:44 |
| tumbleweed | its presence isn't a problem, unless its' non-free | 20:44 |
| tumbleweed | (P: stands for Pedantic) | 20:45 |
| superfly | the source tarball is generally just a bzr export and then gzipped | 20:45 |
| superfly | had some complaints from some of the other packagers when I just did a python setup.py sdist | 20:46 |
| tumbleweed | I think the most important thing here is to figure out if it's DFSG-free | 20:47 |
| superfly | there is source code for it | 20:47 |
| superfly | yeah, looking into that ATM | 20:47 |
| superfly | http://www.vincenzo.net/isxkb/index.php?title=PSVince | 20:47 |
| tumbleweed | great, no licence | 20:48 |
| superfly | mmm, just what I was thinking | 20:49 |
| tumbleweed | we have to treat it as un-redistributable then | 20:49 |
| superfly | I don't think it is included in the final package anyways | 20:49 |
| tumbleweed | right, but it can't appear in the .orig.tar.gz either | 20:50 |
| tumbleweed | or debian would be distributing it | 20:50 |
| tumbleweed | this can be solved by repacking the source for debian, if the upstream doesn't want to | 20:50 |
| superfly | I'm loathe to, but I totally understand | 20:51 |
| tumbleweed | in the meantime, poke the author of that thing, and persuade him to provide a licence :) | 20:52 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: I can remove it, it's not a problem. I'll just make sure our Windows packager knows we've had to remove it | 20:52 |
| superfly | will do :-) | 20:52 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: I'll get trunk fixed up today/tomorrow morning... are you available again tomorrow evening? when do you fly out? | 21:10 |
| tumbleweed | on saturday evening | 21:14 |
| superfly | OK | 21:14 |
| superfly | Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it! | 21:14 |
| tumbleweed | you aren't the only copyright holder. You probably don't need to list everyone, but at least mentioning that there are others in debian/copyright seems sensible | 21:14 |
| superfly | *nod* | 21:15 |
| tumbleweed | at least everything looks like it's GPL or freer | 21:15 |
| tumbleweed | I assume the artwork is all free too | 21:15 |
| superfly | ja | 21:15 |
| tumbleweed | oh, there is lots of stuff in resources/images | 21:16 |
| tumbleweed | you may want to attribute those | 21:16 |
| superfly | either our own, or copied from sources already in Debian/Ubuntu | 21:16 |
| superfly | right | 21:16 |
| tumbleweed | nice, it's pyflakes-clean | 21:17 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: I need to get to bed, thanks for all the help this evening. | 21:19 |
| tumbleweed | np | 21:20 |
| superfly | night all! | 21:20 |
| magespawn | Good night alll. | 21:21 |
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