=== Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [09:34] good mornings [09:47] morning inetpro [09:55] morning inetpro [09:55] how goes it [09:56] charlvn: good and yourself [09:56] just feels like a Monday today [09:56] goinhg well [09:56] *going [09:57] busy messing with oracle today [09:59] inetpro: btw, do you know what happened to floss.pro? site seems a bit kaput [10:01] charlvn: I think kmf just gave up maintaining it properly due to the popularity of other social media and micro-blogging sites [10:02] yeah not that i blame him or anything [10:03] even myself prefers to limit the number of subscriptions to social media sites [10:03] the only thing i am still using is linkedin [10:04] the rest i all gave up on quite some time ago [10:04] even twitter eventually just turned into a whole lot of popularity wh***** now i just use irc [10:04] linkedin is one of those I decided to pass [10:04] i actually don't like it one bit [10:04] but... it's hard to stay off it now cause practically everyone is using it to find/advertise jobs [10:05] and a couple of months ago i was looking for a job so i didn't have too much choice [10:07] charlvn: have you become a European now? [10:08] lol [10:08] now i need to start working on my paranoia [10:08] * inetpro noticed the @cl-2393.ams-05.nl.sixxs.net [10:09] that doesn't mean much, it's a sixxs tunnel [10:09] ipv6 [10:09] ayiya/aiccu [10:12] charlvn: BTW, kmf had other ideas with floss.pro but I guess he hasn't started changing anything yet [10:12] was talking about changing to to a simple blog [10:13] interesting [10:13] although blogging is so 2005 ;) [10:14] true [10:29] hello [10:29] hello [10:29] just popping in to say hi quick :] [10:29] how r u kbmonkey_ ? [10:29] hey I grew a tail_ [10:30] i'm good, how are you doing nlsthzn? === kbmonkey_ is now known as kbmonkey [10:31] +1 for the paranoia charlvn [10:31] ok thx [10:33] strange, PuTTy ssh shows characters all messed up [10:36] Symmetri1, can we get ubuntu 12.04 DVD images on mirror.ac.za please? [10:36] unless they are there and i'm overlooking them [10:37] I wish there was a place to download linux distros without paying for bandwidth [10:37] mirror.ac.za [10:37] ftp.sun.ac.za [10:37] both are free for me :) [10:37] kbmonkey, where are you? [10:37] in durbs at the moment [10:37] ai ok [10:37] is that on the mweb account? [10:38] no [10:38] university network [10:38] in stellenbosch we have wifi on which those two are free [10:38] of course, so jealous! ;P [10:38] open wifi [10:38] for the public I mean [10:38] jip [10:38] public can connect to it [10:39] it should be a basic neccesity, free distros [10:39] free repo's [10:39] repoes :P [10:39] not free bandwidth :/ [10:40] I checked, upgrade to 12.04 will be about 800M [10:40] i did a beta2 install this weekend [10:40] and then upgraded [10:40] kbmonkey: can't you access ftp.leg.uct.ac.za from stellenbosch? [10:40] almost 300MB [10:40] err Kerbero [10:40] I'd rather get a install disc than upgrade in that case [10:40] hmm [10:40] tumbleweed, i guess i can but i'll pay for it [10:41] I maent free [10:41] only 300? it probably depends how much you have installed then [10:41] the upgrader doesn't show you how much, so my info is from other people's [10:41] clean install, then upgrade [10:42] to tide me over till I get a cd, I moved to a new window manager. [10:42] tumbleweed, first tests seems to be open [10:43] indeed [10:43] your upgrade went good Kerbero? how is it running? [10:44] kbmonkey, note it was from beta 12.04 [10:44] so not much changed [10:44] and it is perfect [10:44] no problems [10:44] i will never upgrade between releases [10:44] clean install is a nice reason to do spring cleaning ;) [10:45] i hav emy /home on a HDD [10:45] and the rest on a SSD [10:45] so every time i reinstall i just mount the HDD again [10:45] and delete most of the .*'s [10:52] tumbleweed, do you have an example sources.list for use with ftp.leg? [10:52] ie, all possible repos on there for ubuntu [10:54] Kerbero: it's one of the registered mirrors, you'll find it in software sources [10:55] but http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/ubuntu as you'd expect [10:55] yes, but what i actually meant was, do you also mirror other stuff liek medibuntu et al? [10:55] Kerbero: the reason I pointed at LEG was that you asked for the DVDs, we have those [10:55] Kerbero: yes [10:55] Kerbero: http://www.leg.uct.ac.za/mirrors/linux/ubuntu [10:56] aha [10:56] that is what i was looking for [10:56] thanx [10:56] otherwise just poke around the mirror :) === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [12:49] * nlsthzn zzzzz cheers [15:31] . [17:03] tumbleweed: ping [17:21] superfly: hi [17:22] tumbleweed: I'm busy looking through the new maintainers guide, but I remember we were looking at transforming my existing Ubuntu PPA stuff into something more suitable for Debian [17:24] * superfly just quickly gets LP set up on Debian [17:26] superfly: I think your next steps are: prepare a package, and figure out if you want to join a team in debian or do it on your own [17:26] tumbleweed: OK, what does joining a team involve (briefly)? [17:26] and which is better? [17:27] the team is useful if you want to get more involved with other stuff the team does [17:27] http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonAppsPackagingTeam [17:27] ah [17:27] all papt packages live in svn together [17:28] but if you are just caring about your own package, you might as well just go at it alone [17:28] http://python-apps.alioth.debian.org/policy.html for some background [17:29] being in a team usually makes it easier to get sponsorship, but in this case, it proabbly wouldn't [17:29] OK [17:29] I'm the most active sponsor, by a long way :( [17:30] tumbleweed: :-( [17:31] yeah, not that I want to sound nasty, but I don't want to help out with other packages - I just don't have the time [17:31] So I don't think being in the team will be beneficial to either me or the team [17:35] tumbleweed: in the maintainers guide, it talks about running "dh_make" - but I don't see that on my system. Is the guide a little old? Am I looking for the wrong command? [17:35] np (sorry, attention divided between IRC and the stove) [17:36] tumbleweed: no worries. [17:36] there's a separate packaeg for dh_make [17:36] ah [17:36] it just creates boilerplate debian/ stuff [17:37] yup, I figured so [17:37] I'll carry on with the guide then :-) [18:02] hi magespawn [18:03] Hey superfly [19:04] Naand o/ [19:05] naand apie [19:06] good evening [19:06] tumbleweed: OK, I have successfully generated a package - should I play a bit with lintian and see if I can make it better? [19:07] * superfly plays with lintian a bit [19:21] superfly: when you think it's ready, I'll do a round of review on it [19:22] tumbleweed: OK, just trying to figure out how to get my manpage to work [19:23] What are you working on superfly? [19:24] apie: a debian package for my OpenLP project [19:25] tumbleweed: I have an "openlp.1" file in my "debian" directory, but it is not being picked up... any ideas on what I need to do to have it included in the package? [19:26] superfly: mention it in debian/manpages [19:26] ah [19:26] dh_installmanpages will do the rest [19:27] tumbleweed: one other question... the software version is 1.9.9, should my package version be 1.9.9 or 1.9.9-1 ? [19:27] Neat! Well i'll let you get on with it. [19:27] Superfly once you are finished what does that achieve? [19:27] from what I can tell, it should be the latter [19:27] superfly: 1.9.9-1. 1.99 would be for a native version [19:28] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version [19:28] magespawn: I'll hopefully be able to get my project into the Debian repos, and thereby into the Ubuntu repos [19:29] tumbleweed: gotcha, now I understand, thanks! [19:29] Ahh right i see, so ppl could then install from the ubuntu software manager [19:30] yup [19:31] Are you the only one working on the development? [19:32] Liking AndChat, android IRC. If only i had my phone charger. [19:33] Apie I am using androIRC, also have Quassel client installed [19:35] I hear quassel mentioned often, i guess it works well? [19:36] Yup especially if you set up your own server with the core to connect to. [19:37] A server? Like a proxy for all your chats? [19:38] apie: see http://quassel-irc.org/ [19:39] The core stays connected to the irc all the time and your client connects to that. [19:39] I have irc 24/7 in a remote shell which i ssh into [19:39] or http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki [19:41] Okay i see. Neat. [19:44] Enjoy the packaging superfly. Gn folks, sweet dreams [19:44] tumbleweed: https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/openlp/debian-package [19:45] magespawn: no, we have a team of about 5 regular developers, and a few "contributors" [19:46] Cool, language? [19:46] Python of course :-) [19:48] Hah, sweet. [19:51] superfly: we recommend using a separate repository for packaging [19:51] although if you are the only maintainer of the package in debian, that's of less importance [19:51] tumbleweed: I can do that [19:52] you probably want to use bzr-buildpackage's merge-mode: http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/merge.html [19:53] to do that, you create a .bzr-builddeb/default.conf containing: [19:53] [BUILDDEB] [19:53] merge = True [19:53] and have a debian directory in the base of the repository [20:00] tumbleweed: like this? https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/openlp/debian-package [20:01] yes, that checks out in a few seconds :) [20:02] now you can use bzr bd to build it [20:03] superfly: firstly: I'd drop all the old changelog entries. Don't they they are useful to anyone [20:03] yeah, will do [20:03] * superfly needs to get the manpage into trunk now [20:03] are there other packages in debian which are competitors? [20:04] you may want to generate your manpage from rst / something [20:04] tumbleweed: competitors, as in similar applications? [20:04] yes, the reason I ask is: Priority: extra [20:05] extra is usually an alternative of an optional package in the archive [20:05] tumbleweed: oh, no I don't think there are... that's just what was there previously [20:05] so you probably want optional [20:05] right [20:05] the latest version of debian-policy is 3.9.3 [20:06] VCS fields: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-vcs [20:08] DEP5 released: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ [20:08] OK, I'll look into that (need to just confer with the rest of my team about a more permanent place to put it) [20:09] so I should use that URL instead of the one I have? [20:10] yes [20:10] gotcha [20:10] you want to be 3.0 (quilt) now [20:10] and add a watch file [20:19] alrighty, pushing those changes up [20:20] More package cleanups <- not that relevant :) [20:20] heh, true [20:21] I don't think debian uupdate is appropriate when you are using bzr-builddeb [20:22] OK [20:24] superfly: err, the watch file also doesn't work [20:24] tumbleweed: mm, it was a shot in the dark, not sure exactly how to test it out [20:25] uscan --verbose --report [20:26] http://sf.net/openlp/OpenLP-(.+)\.tar\.gz <- works [20:26] ah, OK [20:28] superfly: the js file you point to in debian/copyright has moved [20:28] ta [20:28] also, the JS is all minified. We don't like that, as it's not really suitable for modification [20:29] either include both minified and unminified, or don't minify, or minify during the build [20:30] OK [20:31] (IIRC the popular minifier is non-free, so the last option may be harder) [20:31] aah, but there are tons of free ones in the archive to [20:34] tumbleweed: it doesn't matter if it's not minified [20:34] I just default to the minified versions [20:35] yeah, many people do [20:35] old habits die hard ;-) [20:36] http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?message_id=%3c20111026170814.GA28720%40rivendell.home.ouaza.com%3e if you are interested... [20:39] of course it doesn't currently build because manpage isn't in the 1.99 tarball [20:40] P: openlp source: source-contains-bzr-control-dir .bzr [20:40] P: openlp source: source-contains-prebuilt-windows-binary resources/windows/psvince.dll [20:40] W: openlp: embedded-javascript-library usr/share/openlp/openlp/plugins/remotes/html/jquery.js [20:41] tumbleweed: yes, I'm busy adding that and fixing the other bits up so that I can get them into trunk [20:43] We can't really remove the Windows binary from bzr, it's used on Windows [20:43] but does it need to be in the source tarball? [20:44] is there any source for it? [20:44] I think there might be source, but I don't build the Windows stuff [20:44] its presence isn't a problem, unless its' non-free [20:45] (P: stands for Pedantic) [20:45] the source tarball is generally just a bzr export and then gzipped [20:46] had some complaints from some of the other packagers when I just did a python setup.py sdist [20:47] I think the most important thing here is to figure out if it's DFSG-free [20:47] there is source code for it [20:47] yeah, looking into that ATM [20:47] http://www.vincenzo.net/isxkb/index.php?title=PSVince [20:48] great, no licence [20:49] mmm, just what I was thinking [20:49] we have to treat it as un-redistributable then [20:49] I don't think it is included in the final package anyways [20:50] right, but it can't appear in the .orig.tar.gz either [20:50] or debian would be distributing it [20:50] this can be solved by repacking the source for debian, if the upstream doesn't want to [20:51] I'm loathe to, but I totally understand [20:52] in the meantime, poke the author of that thing, and persuade him to provide a licence :) [20:52] tumbleweed: I can remove it, it's not a problem. I'll just make sure our Windows packager knows we've had to remove it [20:52] will do :-) [21:10] tumbleweed: I'll get trunk fixed up today/tomorrow morning... are you available again tomorrow evening? when do you fly out? [21:14] on saturday evening [21:14] OK [21:14] Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it! [21:14] you aren't the only copyright holder. You probably don't need to list everyone, but at least mentioning that there are others in debian/copyright seems sensible [21:15] *nod* [21:15] at least everything looks like it's GPL or freer [21:15] I assume the artwork is all free too [21:15] ja [21:16] oh, there is lots of stuff in resources/images [21:16] you may want to attribute those [21:16] either our own, or copied from sources already in Debian/Ubuntu [21:16] right [21:17] nice, it's pyflakes-clean [21:19] tumbleweed: I need to get to bed, thanks for all the help this evening. [21:20] np [21:20] night all! [21:21] Good night alll.