[07:30] morning everyone [07:30] knome_: yet another item for 12.10: explore desktop-search (is there anything feasible we could theoretically use? catfish is sooo old and soo outdated..) [09:05] Make a small and cute GUI for mlocate? ;) [09:14] * ochosi has never tried mlocate [09:15] hmm, looks nice! [09:16] oh, it's the same as locate..? === Guest77193 is now known as yofel === yofel is now known as Guest53016 === Guest53016 is now known as yofel_ === lool- is now known as lool [09:48] mrpouit, how's 4.10 coming along? [10:48] ochosi: I think locate nowadays points to mlocate. So in a sense, yes. [11:33] Does 12.04 i386 come with a pae or non-pae kernel. I need to install on my laptop that does not have pae support. [11:56] mips1911: packages done and tested locally, I still need to upload them to the ppa [11:57] xubuntu & lubuntu have a non-pae kernel [11:58] mrpouit, good news on the pae & 4.10 front. How long does the upload take more or less, I'll be your first tester :) [12:01] the upload is quick, but then it needs time for the packages to build. Anyway, I'll upload when I'm back home (tonight in utc+2) [12:07] mrpouit, thanks much appreciated! [12:24] astraljava: what's the diff? [12:38] No diff, there are two symlinks only. [12:39] /usr/bin/locate points to /etc/alternatives/locate, which in turn points to /usr/bin/mlocate [12:40] a-ha [12:40] well catfish supports locate... [12:40] but still, the interface is not as great as it could be and would need a serious overhaul [12:41] (e.g. stuff like suggestions, different viewmodes of the results, customizable actions on the items and whatnot) [12:43] Yeah okay. Well, I was planning to take a lesson on porting GTK2 apps to GTK3, so let's see if I become an expert on it, I'll refresh catfish as well. :) [12:44] mhm [12:44] i mean for now a gtk2 interface would be fine [12:44] but in general yeah, gtk3 is the future... [12:44] Are we still going to be supporting it for quantal? [12:45] supporting what? [12:45] gtk2? [12:49] Yeah. [12:55] sure, we'll have to for quite a while [12:55] xfce's port to gtk3 hasn't even started [12:55] and it's still uncertain when it'll happen (there are discussions currently whether it'll be the 4.12 target) [13:00] Oh yeah, of course. I had confused the two at some point (4.10 and GTK3 porting). Thanks for clearing that up. [13:02] sure np === knome_ is now known as knome [13:14] hello people [13:14] ahoi [13:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Phases talks about precise specifically [13:17] i should look how i fixed that in the first-review of the SD [13:18] btw, i added two more items to the list and one spec [13:18] yes, i do get notifications about all (even trivial) changes in Xubuntu/* :P [13:18] i know, i just wanted to mention it ;) [13:19] yeah, i noticed [13:19] (especially since before i just dropped comments here instead of on the roadmap) [13:19] isn't catfish something more for the default app group? [13:19] or at least, tentatively [13:19] well, potentially, but it's probably more than just replacing one app with another [13:20] it could mean: write a different front-end (for mlocate), use a desktop-search service (beagle, etc.) or use another search-app [13:20] let me paste this somewhere... [13:20] i know, but blueprint-wise [13:20] right [13:21] fsst [13:21] http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?292a786e6c7d806c#+96MmOd4PrFJ2MX33z0rGRY+JJ9ynutj+Y3QVAgdaWs= [13:21] expires in 10 mins [13:22] please note that this is from the newly drafted strategy document [13:22] yeah, totally makes sense from my perspective [13:23] that's pretty much how we tried to do things during P [13:23] exactly [13:23] and i think it was far better and more transparent than anything we tried before [13:23] but compare that to the current /Pgases [13:23] *Phases [13:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Phases [13:24] yes, well the new one is more concise mostly, i don't see great differences there [13:24] yeah, and it also defines more clearly who approves [13:24] if you don't mind, i'll overwrite [13:24] yeah, just wanted to mention that [13:24] no, go ahead [13:25] knome: That looks really good. Especially the "kittens will die" portion. [13:27] good. [13:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Phases [13:27] updated [13:28] we should eventually just link to the SD section when the new SD is out [13:29] +1 [13:44] ochosi, i was thinking "review and improve artwork/theming" blueprint [13:44] ochosi, easier to manage one big than several small [14:07] knome: as you like, i don't mind. feel free to merge them [14:08] we can do that when we create the blueprint [14:08] anyway, i need to run again [14:08] see you [14:08] yup, see you [15:04] ooh, screenshot overlay :) [15:07] pleia2: screenshot overlay? [15:09] err, shortcuts [15:09] :) [15:09] would you be in favor of something like this? [15:10] yeah, I think it's a good idea [15:10] ok, just wanted to make sure a few people think it's a good idea before pursueing it [15:11] if you have input, feel free to edit the spec === yofel_ is now known as yofel === mips1911_ is now known as mips1911 [20:50] i just turned on my printer and a configuring tool popped out :D [20:51] i didnt had any drivers for it so it went and searched ones on the interwebs for me [20:51] and found some with jockey :3 [22:15] GridCube, yeah, i noticed the printer wizard worked wonders. [22:15] it recognizes the printer but not the scanner though :P [22:16] oh well [22:17] oh silly me, i downloaded the i386 deb from epson's page :P i was starting to freak out [22:17] luckly epson makes drivers for everything :3 [22:18] brb/afk [22:24] knome: this looks like a nice greeter for lightdm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz09q6jREMY&feature=youtu.be [22:24] (although i don't get why suddenly the login-boxes aren't centered anymore, seems like that's how the kewl kids roll nowadays) [22:27] for the same reason window buttons were moved to the left [22:27] which is? "because that's how the kewl kids roll nowadays"? [22:27] yes [22:27] or [22:27] :) [22:28] just for a change [22:29] although: in all fairness, window-buttons were never in the center of the window :) [22:32] ochosi, thats your computer? i noticed how the terminal was all gray :P [22:32] I initially hated the windows buttons on the left but now I prefer it [22:33] GridCube: nope, not my greeter, not my computer :) [22:33] mips1911: why? [22:33] :P [22:33] (and i mean, apart from getting used to it) [22:35] I find my mouse pointer is generally closer to the top right of windows than the left. I feel I have to move my mouse to much to get to the top left [22:36] ??? [22:37] most window menus are located in the top right, thus the mouse pointer frequents that location more often. [22:40] * drc looks at his hands to make sure he knows his right from his left. [22:42] lol, I mixed up the left & right there, should be "I find my mouse pointer is generally closer to the top left of windows than the right" [22:43] ah...whew! [22:43] are you left handed? [22:43] drc, don't worry your hands are still in the right place :) [22:44] no, but I'm goofy footed and also swap, my knife & fork around [22:46] and surf? [22:47] yes, and use to skate in my younger years when my bones still had some flex in them :D [22:48] getting old is a PITA, isn't it :( [22:49] sucks big time [23:29] i'm off for now. back on friday