[07:30] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:30] <ochosi> knome_: yet another item for 12.10: explore desktop-search (is there anything feasible we could theoretically use? catfish is sooo old and soo outdated..)
[09:05] <astraljava> Make a small and cute GUI for mlocate? ;)
[09:14]  * ochosi has never tried mlocate
[09:15] <ochosi> hmm, looks nice!
[09:16] <ochosi> oh, it's the same as locate..?
[09:48] <mips1911> mrpouit, how's 4.10 coming along?
[10:48] <astraljava> ochosi: I think locate nowadays points to mlocate. So in a sense, yes.
[11:33] <mips1911> Does 12.04 i386 come with a pae or non-pae kernel. I need to install on my laptop that does not have pae support.
[11:56] <mrpouit> mips1911: packages done and tested locally, I still need to upload them to the ppa
[11:57] <mrpouit> xubuntu & lubuntu have a non-pae kernel
[11:58] <mips1911> mrpouit, good news on the pae & 4.10 front. How long does the upload take more or less, I'll be your first tester :)
[12:01] <mrpouit> the upload is quick, but then it needs time for the packages to build. Anyway, I'll upload when I'm back home (tonight in utc+2)
[12:07] <mips1911> mrpouit, thanks much appreciated!
[12:24] <ochosi> astraljava: what's the diff?
[12:38] <astraljava> No diff, there are two symlinks only.
[12:39] <astraljava>  /usr/bin/locate points to /etc/alternatives/locate, which in turn points to /usr/bin/mlocate
[12:40] <ochosi> a-ha
[12:40] <ochosi> well catfish supports locate...
[12:40] <ochosi> but still, the interface is not as great as it could be and would need a serious overhaul
[12:41] <ochosi> (e.g. stuff like suggestions, different viewmodes of the results, customizable actions on the items and whatnot)
[12:43] <astraljava> Yeah okay. Well, I was planning to take a lesson on porting GTK2 apps to GTK3, so let's see if I become an expert on it, I'll refresh catfish as well. :)
[12:44] <ochosi> mhm
[12:44] <ochosi> i mean for now a gtk2 interface would be fine
[12:44] <ochosi> but in general yeah, gtk3 is the future...
[12:44] <astraljava> Are we still going to be supporting it for quantal?
[12:45] <ochosi> supporting what?
[12:45] <ochosi> gtk2?
[12:49] <astraljava> Yeah.
[12:55] <ochosi> sure, we'll have to for quite a while
[12:55] <ochosi> xfce's port to gtk3 hasn't even started
[12:55] <ochosi> and it's still uncertain when it'll happen (there are discussions currently whether it'll be the 4.12 target)
[13:00] <astraljava> Oh yeah, of course. I had confused the two at some point (4.10 and GTK3 porting). Thanks for clearing that up.
[13:02] <ochosi> sure np
[13:14] <knome> hello people
[13:14] <ochosi> ahoi
[13:17] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Phases talks about precise specifically
[13:17] <knome> i should look how i fixed that in the first-review of the SD
[13:18] <ochosi> btw, i added two more items to the list and one spec
[13:18] <knome> yes, i do get notifications about all (even trivial) changes in Xubuntu/* :P
[13:18] <ochosi> i know, i just wanted to mention it ;)
[13:19] <knome> yeah, i noticed
[13:19] <ochosi> (especially since before i just dropped comments here instead of on the roadmap)
[13:19] <knome> isn't catfish something more for the default app group?
[13:19] <knome> or at least, tentatively
[13:19] <ochosi> well, potentially, but it's probably more than just replacing one app with another
[13:20] <ochosi> it could mean: write a different front-end (for mlocate), use a desktop-search service (beagle, etc.) or use another search-app
[13:20] <knome> let me paste this somewhere...
[13:20] <knome> i know, but blueprint-wise
[13:20] <ochosi> right
[13:21] <knome> fsst
[13:21] <knome> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?292a786e6c7d806c#+96MmOd4PrFJ2MX33z0rGRY+JJ9ynutj+Y3QVAgdaWs=
[13:21] <knome> expires in 10 mins
[13:22] <knome> please note that this is from the newly drafted strategy document
[13:22] <ochosi> yeah, totally makes sense from my perspective
[13:23] <ochosi> that's pretty much how we tried to do things during P
[13:23] <knome> exactly
[13:23] <ochosi> and i think it was far better and more transparent than anything we tried before
[13:23] <knome> but compare that to the current /Pgases
[13:23] <knome> *Phases
[13:23] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Phases
[13:24] <ochosi> yes, well the new one is more concise mostly, i don't see great differences there
[13:24] <knome> yeah, and it also defines more clearly who approves
[13:24] <knome> if you don't mind, i'll overwrite
[13:24] <ochosi> yeah, just wanted to mention that
[13:24] <ochosi> no, go ahead
[13:25] <astraljava> knome: That looks really good. Especially the "kittens will die" portion.
[13:27] <knome> good.
[13:27] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Phases
[13:27] <knome> updated
[13:28] <knome> we should eventually just link to the SD section when the new SD is out
[13:29] <ochosi> +1
[13:44] <knome> ochosi, i was thinking "review and improve artwork/theming" blueprint
[13:44] <knome> ochosi, easier to manage one big than several small
[14:07] <ochosi> knome: as you like, i don't mind. feel free to merge them
[14:08] <knome> we can do that when we create the blueprint
[14:08] <knome> anyway, i need to run again
[14:08] <knome> see you
[14:08] <ochosi> yup, see you
[15:04] <pleia2> ooh, screenshot overlay :)
[15:07] <ochosi> pleia2: screenshot overlay?
[15:09] <pleia2> err, shortcuts
[15:09] <ochosi> :)
[15:09] <ochosi> would you be in favor of something like this?
[15:10] <pleia2> yeah, I think it's a good idea
[15:10] <ochosi> ok, just wanted to make sure a few people think it's a good idea before pursueing it
[15:11] <ochosi> if you have input, feel free to edit the spec
[20:50] <GridCube> i just turned on my printer and a configuring tool popped out :D
[20:51] <GridCube> i didnt had any drivers for it so it went and searched ones on the interwebs for me
[20:51] <GridCube> and found some with jockey :3
[22:15] <knome> GridCube, yeah, i noticed the printer wizard worked wonders.
[22:15] <GridCube> it recognizes the printer but not the scanner though :P
[22:16] <knome> oh well
[22:17] <GridCube> oh silly me, i downloaded the i386 deb from epson's page :P i was starting to freak out
[22:17] <GridCube> luckly epson makes drivers for everything :3
[22:18] <knome> brb/afk
[22:24] <ochosi> knome: this looks like a nice greeter for lightdm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz09q6jREMY&feature=youtu.be
[22:24] <ochosi> (although i don't get why suddenly the login-boxes aren't centered anymore, seems like that's how the kewl kids roll nowadays)
[22:27] <drc> for the same reason window buttons were moved to the left
[22:27] <ochosi> which is? "because that's how the kewl kids roll nowadays"?
[22:27] <drc> yes
[22:27] <drc> or
[22:27] <ochosi> :)
[22:28] <drc> just for a change
[22:29] <ochosi> although: in all fairness, window-buttons were never in the center of the window :)
[22:32] <GridCube> ochosi, thats your computer? i noticed how the terminal was all gray :P
[22:32] <mips1911> I initially hated the windows buttons on the left but now I prefer it
[22:33] <ochosi> GridCube: nope, not my greeter, not my computer :)
[22:33] <ochosi> mips1911: why?
[22:33] <GridCube> :P
[22:33] <ochosi> (and i mean, apart from getting used to it)
[22:35] <mips1911> I find my mouse pointer is generally closer to the top right of windows than the left. I feel I have to move my mouse to much to get to the top left
[22:36] <drc> ???
[22:37] <mips1911> most window menus are located in the top right, thus the mouse pointer frequents that location more often.
[22:40]  * drc looks at his hands to make sure he knows his right from his left.
[22:42] <mips1911> lol, I mixed up the left & right there, should be "I find my mouse pointer is generally closer to the top left of windows than the right"
[22:43] <drc> ah...whew!
[22:43] <drc> are you left handed?
[22:43] <mips1911> drc, don't worry your hands are still in the right place :)
[22:44] <mips1911> no, but I'm goofy footed and also swap, my knife & fork around
[22:46] <drc> and surf?
[22:47] <mips1911> yes, and use to skate in my younger years when my bones still had some flex in them :D
[22:48] <drc> getting old is a PITA, isn't it :(
[22:49] <mips1911> sucks big time
[23:29] <knome> i'm off for now. back on friday