[00:09] <aguitel> any news about ppa to upgrade 4.8 to 4.10 ?
[00:10] <GridCube> aguitel, https://plus.google.com/u/1/112064450121097287690/posts/8Z5jnh8cRb1
[00:11] <aguitel> GridCube, this is pre release
[00:11] <GridCube> aguitel, the ppa should be updated
[00:12] <GridCube> i dont know though, you can ask in that post
[00:12] <Unit193> Shouldn't be much different, just remember that it's not supported.
[00:14] <dwangoAC> Any suggestions on how to apply a patch from a launchpad patch?  I'm still trying to figure out which file to apply this patch to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oss4/+bug/969733/+attachment/3085110/+files/dkmspatch.txt
[00:14] <dwangoAC> It says --- oss4-dkms.dkms.in.orig	2012-04-17 13:48:23.942005033 -0400
[00:14] <dwangoAC> +++ oss4-dkms.dkms.in	2012-04-17 13:46:44.786004998 -0400
[00:15] <dwangoAC> But I can't find an oss4-dkms.dkms file in the source package for oss4-base
[00:15] <GridCube> dwangoAC, http://www.linuxtutorialblog.com/post/introduction-using-diff-and-patch-tutorial
[00:15] <dwangoAC> GridCube: Thanks for the link!
[00:15] <GridCube> :)
[00:15] <GridCube> hope it helps
[00:16] <GridCube> seems pretty extensive
[00:16] <dwangoAC> I just don't use patch much
[00:16] <GridCube> :P me neither
[00:16] <dwangoAC> It'd be nice if this known fix were produced in a package - perhaps in 12.04.1
[00:16] <GridCube> i did once, using diff, its not that hard
[00:16] <dwangoAC> Hmm... yeah, this shows me how to use it but not how to determine what "originalfile" is
[00:17] <GridCube> dwangoAC, don't know, if the file is updated it should simply be a matter of updating
[00:20] <dwangoAC> Hmm... still very puzzled - I get can't find file to patch at input line 3 and it asks me which file to patch
[00:21] <GridCube> mmm
[00:21] <GridCube> maybe you need to sudo the diff
[00:21] <dwangoAC> Can you take a quick look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oss4/+bug/969733/+attachment/3085110/+files/dkmspatch.txt and give me your best guess on the name of the file the patch applies to?  I'm getting mixed up with the .in and .out...
[00:23] <dwangoAC> I've never seen a patch with a DEST_MODULE_LOCATION before...
[00:24] <GridCube> dwangoAC, sorry don't know
[00:24] <dwangoAC> GridCube: It's OK, Google doesn't seem to either :)
[00:25] <GridCube> dwangoAC, sorry
[00:25] <GridCube> :(
[00:31] <GridCube> dwangoAC, you need to patch dkms
[00:31] <GridCube> ?
[00:32] <GridCube> then maybe find where dkms is
[00:32] <GridCube> like with:  whereis dkms
[00:32] <GridCube> and go there
[00:32] <Unit193> http://tamsler.blogspot.com/2009/02/patching-with-git-diff.html Is typically helpful.
[00:33] <GridCube> oh
[00:33] <GridCube> Unit193 is here
[00:33] <GridCube> he knows more
[00:33]  * GridCube runs away
[00:33] <Unit193> He knows nothing.
[00:45] <dwangoAC> Whew!  I finally found it - my find command had a typo.  The file was located under a /debian/ subfolder.  Applying the patch with -p0 worked correctly and I now have sound again.
[00:46] <dwangoAC> Long and the short of it, it wasn't really a DEBDIFF patch and had to be patched differently than the normal instructions.
[00:49] <Unit193> Well, sound is good.
[00:49] <Unit193> I typically go to the arch wiki for sound issues. :P
[01:46] <Psykus> ahh, fresh linux install
[01:47] <GridCube> :D
[01:49] <Psykus> it's like a new pair of socks
[02:07] <s0b3> hello
[02:17] <Unit193> Howdy, what do you need help with?
[02:29] <s0b3> i was wondering how to remove gnome
[02:29] <s0b3> foolish of me to even install it, but I just wanted to see how it looked, but it didn't work
[02:30] <s0b3> i used autoremove but it still doesn't add up to the 400 something mb that it asked me in the first place when i installed gnome
[02:31] <utu-san> s0b3: try aptitude clean && apt-get autoremove
[02:33] <Unit193> !purexfce |may not be as much help
[02:37] <s0b3> ok thanks
[02:39] <utu-san> just curious when is 4.10 coming coming to a ppa ?
[05:06] <Shape> Hello, I'm looking for an xfce theme that looks like Ubuntu. I looked on xfce-look and couldn't find one or mislooked it or they had bad ratings. Any suggestions?
[05:13] <Shape> Nevermind, I think I found one! Ambiance & Radiance Themes for Xfce&LXDE  12.04
[05:14] <Unit193> Yeah, was about to pull that one up. :P
[05:14] <Unit193> Found it the other night, but not for me.
[05:15] <Shape> Unit193: What theme do you use?
[05:15] <Unit193> Heh, it's not complete. :P
[05:15] <Unit193> Blackbird.
[05:15] <Shape> And how come most themes are way below 70% ?
[05:16] <Unit193> Dpm
[05:16] <Unit193> Don't know, shimmer ones are the best.
[05:17] <Shape> Unit193: What did you mean by the theme not being complete?
[05:18] <Unit193> The author had just started converting it, but hasn't had time to work on it. http://shimmerproject.org/
[05:18] <Unit193> https://github.com/shimmerproject/
[05:22] <Shape> Unit193: The ones you pasted are the ones you use? Goodones/ finished ones? Since you said "shimmer ones are the best"?
[05:22] <Unit193> I think they are most compatible with GTK2 and 3 at the same time, but see !best.
[05:23] <Shape> Unit193: Oh, what I meant by best was best as in not having bugs. :)
[05:25] <Unit193> Personally, I say yes.  That's the project that provides Xubuntu with themes, so they're the official ones already installed. (I just needed something dark, bright kills my eyes)
[05:25] <Shape> Yeah, same here, that's the reason I was asking in the first place. The main theme is too bright.
[05:26] <Unit193> Bluebird isn't too bad, but I ended up with Blackbird (Closer to NOX)
[05:26] <Shape> I see. i'll check them out. Thanks for your help!
[05:27] <Unit193> Sorry couldn't point at a finished dark one.
[05:31] <Shape> NP, I'll look around. I looked last week and I can see already a bunch already popped up.
[05:31] <Unit193> GTK3 changes a lot.
[07:41] <Shape> Hello, sorry if I am too noob but I really can't find where the option is for not turning off hard drisks while on battery (laptop)? Also, I can't find a setting to set the screen brightness? I have to use a command in the terminal every time.
[08:22] <qwerkus> hi: is there any workaround for the startup freeze "waiting for network configuration" in latest xubuntu ? Takes foreeeeeever to boot; thanks for help
[08:46] <Shape> Hello, sorry if I am too noob but I really can't find where the option is for not turning off hard drisks while on battery (laptop)? Also, I can't find a setting to set the screen brightness? I have to use a command in the terminal every time.
[08:47] <WrigleyPete> Hi Shape
[08:48] <WrigleyPete> which version of xubuntu you use?
[08:48] <Shape> latest one
[08:48] <Shape> Just installed it, 12.04
[08:48] <WrigleyPete> go to Settings Manager and then Power manager
[08:49] <Shape> Yes :) I've looked there at least 50 times.
[08:49] <WrigleyPete> then to "On Battery" tab and there you have an option "Spin down hard disks", you should have it "unticked"
[08:49] <Shape> WrigleyPete: It is. Yet it still does it.
[08:49] <WrigleyPete> there`s also a tab for Monitor and there you can set the time for turning off the monitor
[08:50] <Shape> System monitor shows me it turns it down. And I can also hear it.
[08:51] <Shape> WrigleyPete: On A/C it doesn't though.
[08:51] <WrigleyPete> If so it might be some conflict with other settings. Do you have Gnome installed too?
[08:51] <Shape> WrigleyPete: Nope. I actually instaleld Xubuntu because I don't like Gnome.
[08:52] <Shape> Gnome 3 that is. And mainly because of the packages it comes with already installed. It's a fresh install btw so I did nothing.
[08:52] <Shape> It's also odd that in Ubuntu my Fn keys are recognized and I can change brightness and everything and in Xubuntu they aren't.
[08:54] <Shape> WrigleyPete: Did you happen to have any other tips I might try?
[08:55] <WrigleyPete> I`m googling to see if there`s someone else having similar problem
[08:56] <WrigleyPete> I remember having the same problem few years back with KDE, but back then I found that KDE was accepting GNOME settings...
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> try the xfconf editor
[08:57] <Shape> WrigleyPete: Thanks! I actually searched on google as well and couldn't find much. And regarding the brightness settings I can change it with a command echo 0 > sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness but I have to do this everytime the laptop starts :(
[08:58] <Shape> well_laid_lawn: Thanks, I'll try right now
[08:58] <WrigleyPete> Shape: if there`s a command line option you need to do every time, you could add it to the startup applications
[09:01] <Shape> WrigleyPete: Yep. I will soon do that. I just wanted to find the brightness setting in the system in case I was too dumb and overlooked it somehow.
[09:25] <Shape> OK, this is the weirdest thing ever. I rebooted the system and now the bightness option is showing and the Fn+brightness keys work. And then I rebooted again and it stopped working. o_O
[09:25] <Shape> I guess I'm going to reinstall the system.
[09:31] <P3t3r> quick question, I'm currently downloading xubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso, is this a live CD?
[09:31] <mips1911> yes
[09:31] <P3t3r> super, thanks
[09:31] <P3t3r> i can 'burn' it on a USB using dd?
[09:32] <mips1911> yes
[09:32] <P3t3r> thanks!
[09:33] <koegs> dd, unetbootin, usb-creator-gtk
[09:35] <Belserusk> HELP! Can someone solve this for me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11897673#post11897673
[09:37] <mips1911> which partition(s) are you trying to install it o?
[09:38] <Belserusk> mips1911, It has 2 HDD's. I will install it onto 1 and keep files on the other one.
[09:38] <mips1911> which one?
[09:38] <Belserusk> mips1911, I am unable to get to the partition step.
[09:38] <Belserusk> mips1911, It hangs before I get to that stage.
[09:39] <mips1911> sdb2 is mounted, click 'yes' to unmount
[09:41] <mips1911> Belserusk ?
[09:41] <mips1911> Belserusk, sorry mean sdb
[09:43] <mips1911> Belserusk, if that does not work install gparted from the livecd, run gparted, select the drive, select the partition, right click on it and go unmount, now format it to ext3 and try the installer again
[09:44] <Belserusk> mips1911, How about ext4
[09:44] <Belserusk> ?
[09:44] <Belserusk> mips1911, It hangs if I select yes or no to dismounting.
[09:45] <mips1911> Belserusk, ext4 is fine as well. run the installer again and then redo the partitioning for /, /home & swap (/home only if you need a seperate partiotn for home)
[09:46] <mips1911> Belserusk, the try gparted, sudo apt-get install gparted
[09:47] <Belserusk> mips1911, You mean run gparted from the live session?
[09:47] <mips1911> yes
[09:47] <Belserusk> mips1911, ok. Back soon.
[09:48] <mips1911> ok, will hang wait for your feedback, should not take more than 1 minute
[09:49] <Belserusk> live cd is slow - try 5min
[09:49] <mips1911> lol
[09:50] <Belserusk> BTW, are you using Xub 12.04?
[09:50] <mips1911> will go boild the kettle so long for a cuppa tea
[09:50] <mips1911> yes, 12.04
[09:50] <Belserusk> Your rating ot
[09:50] <Belserusk> out of 10?
[09:51] <Belserusk> 10 being best...
[09:53] <mips1911> No idea, only been using it for 2 days now. I never stick with the default distro though for various reasons. I always download the alternate cd, do a base install and install vanilla xfce with my own apps & stuff. I'm just waiting for the xfce 4.10 PPA to go live and then I will do the same. It's a nice distro though and they the devs did a good job.
[09:54] <Belserusk> Still waiting on gparted...
[09:54] <Belserusk> It says "searching /dev/sda partitions"...
[09:55] <Belserusk> What is the xfce 4.10 PPA?
[09:56] <mips1911> latest version of xfce 4.10, Xub 12.04 comes with 4.8.   4.10 came out 4 days ago, PPA is like a private repository
[09:57] <Belserusk> ok
[09:57] <Belserusk> I am now in gparted.
[09:57] <Belserusk> There are 3 partitions.
[09:57] <mips1911> hosted on launchpad
[09:57] <Belserusk> The laptop has winxp on it
[09:58] <Belserusk> Should I just del all 3 partitions?
[09:58] <mips1911> that's sda with the winxp stuff, look at the top right and select sdb assuming you want to install it to the 16GB drive?
[09:58] <mips1911> Whoa, hang on.
[09:58] <mips1911> Do you want to delete WinXp?
[09:58] <Belserusk> mips1911, I am currently running from a Live CD.
[09:59] <Belserusk> Yes, xp is to go.
[09:59] <mips1911> From the screenshot you posted on ubuntu forums I see two drives, sda 80GB & sdb 16GB. Which drive do you want to install it on?
[10:01] <Belserusk> I will del the 3rd partit...
[10:01] <Belserusk> BRB
[10:02] <mips1911> but there are two Fat32 partitions on that drive, why are there two?
[10:02] <Belserusk> mips1911, not sure why there are 2. I did not setup PC first day.
[10:03] <Belserusk> I just deleted all partitions. I think the laptop actually only has 1 HDD.
[10:03] <Belserusk> The 2 partitions thew m
[10:03] <Belserusk> me.
[10:04] <mips1911> If you don't need anyhting on the 80GB hard drive (data?) then delete sda2 & sda3, keep the diagnostics partition sda1 as you might need it later in life...
[10:04] <Belserusk> I deleted them all.
[10:04] <Belserusk> Doh!
[10:05] <mips1911> Don't worry, I also delete the recovery partition, just that some people might need them if they decide to go back to windows
[10:05] <mips1911> what is on the second drive, sdb?
[10:05] <Belserusk> alls drives now gone. installer is working.
[10:06] <Belserusk> BRB...
[10:06] <mips1911> you can always recreate the recovery partition with a downloaded dvd from HP
[10:06] <Belserusk> mips1911, Xp is gone for good.
[10:06] <mips1911> no loss, lol
[10:06] <Belserusk> mips1911, agreed! ^_^
[10:06] <Belserusk> mips1911, Thanks for your help.
[10:06] <Belserusk> Bye for now.
[10:07] <mips1911> no problem
[10:12] <tesivo_> hi
[10:13] <tesivo_> i update xubuntu to 12.04 version, but now i have a problem
[10:14] <tesivo_> the touchpad don't work like before.
[11:13] <Shape> Hello, does anyone know why the file manager in xubuntu displays 4KB for everyl folder as folder size?
[11:17] <Sysi> because folders are 4kb on ext4 on blocksize you're using
[11:18] <Sysi> in other words thunar doesn't calculate size of folder's contents before going to options/preferences/whatever
[11:24] <Shape> Sysi That makes sense. Thanks!
[11:31] <Jonne> i just upgraded to Precise, and my panels aren't showing up
[11:32] <Jonne> is this something that happens often?
[11:32] <Jonne> nm
[11:33] <Jonne> found the issue
[11:33] <Jonne> they were bound to non-existing monitors
[11:33] <mips1911> Does 12.04 i386 come with a pae or non-pae kernel. I need to install on my laptop that does not have pae support.
[11:35] <Jonne> is there a way i can check? I'm on 12.04
[11:35] <Jonne> Linux backup1-P67A-UD3-B3 3.2.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 25 08:43:22 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:36] <mips1911> you are using 64-bit by the lloks of things
[11:36] <Jonne> well, nm, i guess you need the i386 for that
[12:38] <xubuntu888> Dear all,
[12:38] <xubuntu888> I have a problem
[12:38] <xubuntu888> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libo/liboil/liboil0.3_0.3.17-2ubuntu2_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.192 80]
[12:38] <xubuntu888> The newest Xubuntu 12.04
[12:44] <WrigleyPete> xubuntu888: have you tried switching the download servers to different location?
[12:45] <xubuntu888> How could I do this?
[12:46] <WrigleyPete> in Synaptic, go to settings->repositories and in the Ubuntu software tab  change "Download from" to different country. then just update the repositories and see if it works
[12:47] <xubuntu888> I will try Thank You WrigleyPete
[12:47] <WrigleyPete> no problem
[12:49] <astraljava> xubuntu888: The problem is the package has been updated, so that older version isn't available anymore.
[12:49] <astraljava> xubuntu888: When's the last time you've `sudo apt-get update`'d?
[12:51] <xubuntu888> astraljava, I am only testing from Live CD
[12:55] <xubuntu888> I have installed throu Synaptic. Had some problems, (Unable to download, Unable to Lock Directory) but the Flash Works. Thank You
[12:55] <xubuntu888> Have a nice day, Bye
[13:11] <xubuntu832> Can anyone give me any pointer to get java support in my browser
[13:17] <astraljava> xubuntu832: You should install packages: openjdk-7-jre, icedtea-7-plugin
[13:18] <astraljava> xubuntu832: Haven't tried, but those _should_ be enough.
[13:27] <iJohn> hello good evening
[13:27] <iJohn> anybody in here?
[13:28] <knome> hullo
[13:28] <iJohn> hi knome
[13:28] <iJohn> i'm going to install xubuntu on my pentium 3 desktop..will it work?
[13:29] <astraljava> It will, but it might be a tad slow.
[13:33] <iJohn> yah..i noticed it..
[13:33] <iJohn> on my Lubuntu
[13:34] <iJohn> it's kinda slow...compared to windows with minimal installation
[13:34] <baizon> :D
[13:34] <baizon> lubuntu is slow compared to windows 95 ;)
[13:43] <koolhead17> hi all
[13:44] <koolhead17> upgraded to 12.04 and now ctrl+alt+del not resulting/locking screen
[13:45] <koolhead17> i have to type xflock4 from terminal to do the same
[13:45] <koolhead17> is it a known issue?
[13:53] <Bucky> Hi all. Attempting to install Xubuntu 12.04 LTS. All goes well then the install GUI disappears. When I put the cursor in the top toolbar it is a spinning disk (something's happening) Check Gparted and the partitions I'm installing to say '/target/home' etc, so I figure I am installing. Is this lack of a GUI normal? If so the install is taking forever ...
[13:57] <baizon> 1 min
[13:57] <baizon> fast guy :P
[14:05] <mips1911> I'm doing a fresh cli install. I backed up my /var/cache/apt folder to another partition and now I want to restore it, how would I copy all files & folder recursively. Only have cli access
[14:07] <aguitel> with command mv
[14:08] <aguitel> or boot with other live cd or usb
[14:08] <aguitel> and then mount all partition and make the copy
[14:13] <mips1911> i'll boot with a crunchbang livece then thanks
[14:17] <astraljava> mips1911: `cp -a` usually works nicely.
[14:19] <mips1911> thx, alreay in a livecd though
[15:01] <aguitel> mips1911, you did?
[15:27] <mips1911> aguitel, yes thanx. just trying to get my cd to be seen by apt now
[16:11] <mips1911> I need to copy all files, minus recursive folders, to a common place. How?
[16:11] <mips1911> so i want the files as you drill down the tree but not the actual folders
[16:12] <mips1911> need to move the contents of 12.04 alternate cd /pool to /var/cache/apt
[16:30] <mips1911> not to worry got it figured out
[17:04] <mips1911> is it normal for lightdm to pull in so much gnome stuff?
[17:09] <astraljava> I forget what the dependencies are. Do you have a list of what it wants?
[17:12] <mips1911> the list is very long
[17:16] <mips1911> maybe it trying to pull in the unity greeter package, will have to check once it's finished installing chromium
[17:17] <acmeinc1> does anyone know how to change the default font color for a theme?  the albatross theme has white text on a grey background :(
[17:25] <mips1911> looks like it was defaulting to unity-greeter, if you install gtk-greeter it's fine
[17:32] <astraljava> Yeah so there's a conditional dependency, then.
[17:35] <acmeinc1> so mips, you are saying to install unity-greeter.  astral, are you saying there is something wrong with the theme?  Would you agree this is a bug?
[17:37] <acmeinc1> OR, are you not referring to my situtation at all?  the greeter is the login window...?
[17:42] <mips1911> not referring to your situation at all. I'm busy building my own xfce 'distro' from a ubuntu base install
[17:47] <niuniomartinez> Hellow people.
[17:48] <niuniomartinez> I've installed 12.04 over old 10.10, and I having some problems with OpenGL stuff.
[17:52] <astraljava> niuniomartinez: What sort of problems?
[17:52] <niuniomartinez> Different problems in different applications. I mean, I haven't the same problem in all apps, but each app has a different problem.
[17:52] <niuniomartinez> For example:
[17:53] <niuniomartinez> Super Tux Kart seems to have problems with lightings in some models and sceneries.
[17:53] <niuniomartinez> The Allegro library can detect Z-buffer but it doesn't uses it
[17:54] <niuniomartinez> And a program I wrote few days ago now can't upload textures to the graphics memory.
[17:54] <niuniomartinez> ...
[17:54] <niuniomartinez> But another program I wrote a two months ago does work perfectly.
[17:57] <niuniomartinez> Oh, Mi computer is a Dell laptop with nVidia
[17:57] <agentgasmask> Trying to use a bluetooth headset with xubuntu 12.04. Device pairs and connects correctly. However, there are no settings for it in pavucontrol. Any hints?
[18:01] <acmeinc1> nuinio, sorry if this is obvious, but did you reinstall the nvidia drivers after the upgrade?
[18:02] <niuniomartinez> Actually I did upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10, then I downloaded 12.04 LiveCD and installed it formatting "/" but keeping "/home".
[18:03] <niuniomartinez> Then I upgraded all ("sudo apt-get upddate" etc.)
[18:03] <niuniomartinez> So, I didn't reinstalled the nvidia drivers. Should I?
[18:06] <niuniomartinez> acmeinc1: Should I reinstall them?
[18:06] <niuniomartinez> them => The nvidia drivers
[18:08] <mips1911> enable the x-swat ppa and install nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[18:09] <niuniomartinez> What's " x-swat ppa"?
[18:11] <niuniomartinez> mips1911: Installing...
[18:11] <mips1911> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[18:12] <niuniomartinez> THX :)
[18:16] <shocktherapy> hi there, i just installed xubuntu 12.04 through wubi on winxp and the mouse will only work for a minute before it goes unresponsive.
[18:16] <shocktherapy> i can still move the cursor but the buttons won't click
[18:31] <niuniomartinez> Hi again.
[18:31] <niuniomartinez> Just tu say thankyou.  Now it does works. :)
[18:32]  * niuniomartinez quits. :)
[18:35] <tesserakt> Im running with dual monitors, I configure my screen layout with xrandr. how do I make the xrandr settings "permanent"? or rather, where should I put my xrandr call, so that it gets executed when X starts? I want my xrandr line to be run before the loginscreen appears, so that the screens are correctly set up at the login screen, not only after login.
[18:42] <n2diy_> I'm trying to get qtel to work, but when I start it from the cli I'm getting a "no such file or directory" error. I googled the problem, and set alsa as my default sound device, but still no go, ideas?
[18:43] <astraljava> tesserakt: IIRC, xrandr can output the command it uses. Put that into a script in your $HOME, and run it in .bashrc, .profile or some such.
[18:48] <rolesp> hello all
[18:48] <rolesp> here I am again with a couple of questions
[18:49] <rolesp> where i can edit the character modes?
[18:51] <rolesp> under Lucid Linx Ihad the keyboard configured as 105 keys international, alt + letter gave me the acented spanish characters
[18:51] <rolesp> I have same config in 12.04 but doesn work
[18:52] <tesserakt> astraljava, I could just use the xrandr command I enter; "xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto blabla..", the thing is that I want this to run before I log in. so that it will affect all users, and also the login screen
[18:59] <aquix> congratulations everyone. xubuntu 12.04 is a hell of a good release. I'm enjoying it immensely
[19:03] <rolesp> aquix, is good, but have a couple of minor problems, i n my pc none of the screen savers work
[19:05] <aquix> hmm, mine works alright. Or the xscreensaver ones that is.
[19:06] <aquix> witch one are you trying out?
[19:06] <rolesp> aquix, maybe the problem is my Ati radeon video card
[19:07] <aquix> yeah, I have had ati cards using linux before. they can be an adventure (to use a polite word)
[19:08] <aquix> I said it's a good release but I didn't say there where no issues I had to fix ;)
[19:08] <rolesp> aquix, I try all of them, none worked, black screen with two lines of scrambled text
[19:09] <aquix> did you install the drivers?
[19:12] <rolesp> aquix, yes I install the Ati comunity driver, maybe need to try the propietary driver from amd
[19:13] <mips1911> rolesp, tried the x-swat ppa?
[19:14] <rolesp> nop mips, do I need to add x-swat to the repositories?
[19:16] <mips1911> yes, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[19:16] <mips1911> rolesp, sorry I just saw they don't have any new ati/amd drivers for 12.04 yet.
[19:18] <rolesp> ok mips, thanks, I saved the url for future use
[19:25] <rolesp> also I have some issues with keyboard, cant configure it right for spanish characters
[19:27] <rolesp> need that because i frequent have to do some translations from english to spanish
[19:38] <xubuntu991> Got a question
[19:38] <xubuntu991> How do we upgrade to XFCE 4.10 ?
[19:38] <xubuntu991> Will Xubuntu 12.04 automatically indicate the upgrade is available?
[19:38] <xubuntu991> from Update Manager
[19:39] <baizon> xubuntu991: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1935375
[19:39] <dekkz> 4.10 isnt due to 12.10 unless unofficial ppa arrives
[19:40] <xubuntu991> @dekkz, should I wait for 12.10 first?
[19:40] <baizon> xubuntu991: you can use the ppa when it is released
[19:40] <xubuntu991> which PPA?
[19:40] <xubuntu991> Does XFCE or Xubuntu have an official release channel?
[19:41] <baizon> there is a discussion, that maybe it will be added to 12.04.1
[19:41] <dekkz> its all tba atm
[19:41] <baizon> xubuntu991: read the thread that i posted
[19:42] <xubuntu991> Reading it
[19:44] <knome> i'm using mkdir within a bash script, but whenever that creates directories, thunar says the file format is unknown and think they're files. ideas?
[19:46] <xubuntu991> @baizon, OK use the PPA mentioned, but it's probably a better idea to wait until it is moved from https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10 when it can be tested?
[19:46] <baizon> yes
[19:46] <xubuntu991> Ok, thanks
[19:47] <baizon> np
[19:47] <xubuntu991> How long should it take?  Just an esimate, I'm really HYPED that they are replacing the Sessions Logout/Restart button by mergin it with Actions
[19:47] <xubuntu991> I want the off button look so badly
[19:47] <xubuntu991> instead of the login name
[19:48] <oCean> knome: but using mkdir on the prompt is fine?
[19:49] <knome> oCean, yup.
[19:49] <knome> and cd'ing to that directory works from terminal
[19:49] <knome> but not from thunar
[19:50] <oCean> knome: and in the script you're using full path to mkdir? e.g. /bin/mkdir?
[19:50] <oCean> trying same thing here, thunar sees the dirs just fine
[19:50] <knome> oh wait, seems like thunar restart fixed
[19:50] <knome> still, WEEEIRD
[19:53] <knome> oh, same error again
[19:53] <knome> weird.
[19:53] <aquix> when you say file, do you mean symlink?
[19:53] <knome> oCean, yeah, using full path
[19:54] <xubuntu991> cool, have a good day guys, thanks
[19:54] <oCean> knome: I have no explanation
[19:54] <knome> me neither.
[19:54] <xubuntu991> Xubuntu is AWESOME...congrats
[19:54] <knome> i'll have to look at this when i'm home
[19:54] <knome> xubuntu991, np
[19:55] <n2diy_> I'm trying to setup a voip app, and I think I may have a conflict with another app using the sound device, how can I trouble shoot this?
[19:56] <n2diy_> correction, audio device.
[19:57] <Gerbil> Hello.
[20:35] <rgrig> i want to upgrade without burning a cd. can i just s/maverick/precise/ in /etc/atp/sources.list, or would the result be significantly different from upgrading using the cd?
[20:36] <astraljava> rgrig: Please use `sudo do-release-upgrade` instead. apt-get dist-upgrade is not a supported upgrade path.
[20:36] <pleia2> I've never burnt a CD to upgrade, I always just use the upgrade manager or do-release-upgrade
[20:36] <Unit193> You'd have to go to natty, then oneiric, then precise.
[20:37] <pleia2> yeah, maverick directly to precise will not go well
[20:38] <rgrig> pleia2, that sounds ... :(
[20:39] <aquix> and that is why you have a seperate /home partition.
[20:40] <pleia2> rgrig: you can upgrade from LTS to LTS (so lucid to precise) but for the six month releases they aren't designed to do anything but upgrade from one to another
[20:40] <rgrig> ok, i started te upgrade. thanks. will probably leave soon
[20:40] <pleia2> in order
[20:41] <rgrig> pleia2, i know; but it's very tempting to do it anyway (via apt-get). i decided to refrain, though
[20:45] <astraljava> rgrig: You'd swear the temptation to the lowest levels of hell if you did. I can't even type the amount of zeroes after the decimal point before the sole 1, that'd correctly indicate the probability of such a system still working.
[20:46] <aquix> the one thing about xubuntu 12.04 is getting compiz to work. because you have to find a window decorator that does not make your computer look like the pride of 1995.  The choises are the gnome window decorator that will install every gnome package in the universe, so we do not want that. And the other choise in devils is the unsupported emerald packages (0.9.5). So I compiled that and are up and running, but it's a concern and I will keep m
 y eyes open for better adventures. But it works for now.
[20:46] <aquix> * soliloquist has quit (Connection closed)
[20:47] <aquix> sorry, copy from other channel
[20:56] <Wolf_45> Anybody awake who likes freaky problems?
[20:56] <GridCube> !ask
[20:57] <Wolf_45> Ah. Sorry 'bout that, I'm used to #ubuntu-us-az. :-)
[21:00] <Wolf_45> Last night I loaded xubuntu 11.10 on a Dell Dimension 8400, and everything works fine except I have no pointer on the screen. The "working" pointer works fine, for the most part, but I have to guess where the pointer is. Any ideas how to get it back?
[21:01] <GridCube> Wolf_45, tried another theme for the pointer?
[21:02] <GridCube> they are in >configuration>mouse>themes
[21:04] <Wolf_45> Thx GridCube, I hadn't thought of that one. This was the first time I had ubuntu (or a variation) that didn't work out of the box, and my mind just couldn't accept it. I'll go try it now.
[21:05] <GridCube> Wolf_45, if you had old config files on your ~/ they might have pointed to wrong pointers themes
[21:07] <rolesp> can't find the dir where keyboard keymaps files are
[21:10] <manitou> hi , where to put .sh to start(load) o boot ?
[21:10] <manitou> o boot=ON boot
[21:11] <GridCube> manitou, you can add programs to your boot process on >configuration >boot & startup >autostart
[21:13] <manitou> dont have those !? is it  session&startup / application autostart ?
[21:14] <GridCube> sure, i dont know how its labeled in english
[21:16] <GridCube> rolesp, this might help you, i don't really know though http://www.x.org/wiki/XKB
[21:16] <vman> ~/.config/autostart/   ... but you have to create a .desktop file for it. http://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/anatomy-of-a-desktop-file/
[21:18] <rolesp> tnks gridcube, I need to use the xmodmap utility, but cant find the files
[21:18] <manitou> ok thx
[21:19] <GridCube> manitou, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-020512-181818.php
[21:19] <manitou> GridCube: yes that is it !
[21:19] <manitou> thx :)
[21:19] <GridCube> np
[21:20] <manitou> go out to check if its working
[21:20] <GridCube> rolesp, http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html
[21:21] <Wolf_45> No joy. I was also reading on themes, and noticed I don't have a .icons directory either. No old config files, I totally over-wrote Slack.
[21:21] <GridCube> ok
[21:21] <manitou> yea it works
[21:21] <GridCube> Wolf_45, are you using your proper drivers?
[21:21] <GridCube> what does jockey-gtk has to say about that?
[21:22] <manitou> and yhose ssd  are nice , like fast reboot (when needed) ;)
[21:22] <GridCube> :)
[21:22] <GridCube> good to hear
[21:24] <Wolf_45> As far as I can tell. If the pointer is on open desktop, it's there. Get it over a window or panel though, and it disappears.
[21:25] <Wolf_45> I have to go by whatever happens to highlight.
[21:27] <n2diy_> can someone respond with my nick? Haven't solved my voip issue, but maybe I have sound in xchat-gnome now?
[21:29] <Unit193> n2diy_: Maybe
[21:29] <n2diy_> Unit193, thanks, no luck.
[21:34] <rolesp> Gridcube, the problem is that the files are not here: The standard location for your own modmap is ~/.Xmodmap
[21:37] <rolesp> there is not /.Xmodmap dir in my home
[21:39] <GridCube> well... you have to create it
[21:40] <GridCube> .Xmodmap is a file
[21:40] <GridCube> you must create and put on your ~/
[21:41] <rolesp> Gridcube, I can create it. butwhere i can get the keyboard map
[21:42] <koegs> xmodmap -pke > .Xmodmap
[21:42] <rolesp> the problem is I need to configure keyboard for spanish acented characters
[21:43] <GridCube> rolesp, how so? cant you simply use setxkbmap es ¿?
[21:44] <rolesp> In Lucid i have it configured as 105 keys international, and alt + vowel gave me the acented char
[21:45] <rolesp> in 12.04 have the same config but alt + a give me a instead of accented a
[21:45] <GridCube> rolesp, you can install xkeycaps
[21:45] <GridCube> and do stuff visually
[21:45] <GridCube> !info xkeycaps
[21:48] <rolesp> ok thanks, Gridcube and ubottu, going to install and report latter
[21:48] <rolesp> bbl
[21:48] <GridCube> rolesp, ubottu is a bot :)
[21:48] <GridCube> !thanks
[21:49] <rolesp> ok, think the bot was _2e0...
[21:49] <rolesp> bbl
[21:58] <Wolf_45> GridCube, something new. I logged out of the xubuntu session, and logged in again using the xfce session. Guess what works now?
[21:59] <GridCube> :P
[21:59] <GridCube> guess you have something else to try, make a new user, and try loggin in with it on xubuntu mode
[22:14] <Wolf_45> Sounds like a plan. And I'll keep working with the xubuntu session and when I figure out what the problem is, I'll pop back in and let you know, in case anybody else has it. :-)
[22:15] <GridCube> :)
[22:45] <shinra> hi good afternoon :D i´m really curious about xubuntu but i have just a little doubt: i use a wacom and i want to know if i can use the "force proportions" parameters like in kcm tablet
[22:51] <GridCube> does that work with ubuntu?
[22:53] <shinra> works in kubuntu, but it´s a separate module from kde-apps
[22:54] <GridCube> oh, then you probably will have to try, never used that :/
[22:54] <GridCube> if it where an ubuntu working thing i would have told you that very probably, but i don't know then
[22:55] <shinra> guess i´ve gotta try to know, right?
[22:55] <GridCube> :D
[22:55] <GridCube> shinra, you could try with a live session
[22:55] <GridCube> if it works there then i would proceed to an install
[22:57] <shinra> ok! just gotta find my usb key and i´ll try it, thanks GridCube, see you later n_n
[22:57] <knome> wacom worksforme
[23:00] <shinra> knome, works for me too, but i have a rectangular tablet and a square monitor, and in the KDE wacom settings there's the option to force proportions to crop some of the active area of the tablet to make it match the monitor's shape
[23:00] <shinra> and i want to know if there's a similar option in XFCE
[23:02] <shinra> i guess i'll be here for a little while theb n_n
[23:03] <knome> shinra, i used xsetwacom to fix that...
[23:10] <shinra> hmmm... it seems possible, i'll need to sit and read for a while
[23:21] <shinra> ok... i think i got it... i´m going to do some tests...
[23:21] <shinra> thanks n_n
[23:32] <rolesp> tunapie is still working?