| SpamapS | Ding ding | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| SpamapS | another charm promulgated | 00:02 |
| SpamapS | Kusabax | 00:02 |
| bkerensa | yay | 00:22 |
| bkerensa | SpamapS: I fixed the locker charm and pushed again | 00:22 |
| bkerensa | :P | 00:22 |
| SpamapS | bkerensa: I might just review that now so that I can add you to ~charmers and you can start doing reviews. | 00:27 |
| SpamapS | The queue, I suspect, will get long, fairly quickly. :) | 00:27 |
| bkerensa | SpamapS: yes then I will help review stuff and make things easier | 00:27 |
| bkerensa | :D | 00:27 |
| bkerensa | SpamapS: is the level of frostiness acceptable? | 01:26 |
| marcoceppi | SpamapS: thanks for the info, I'll keep that in mind | 02:00 |
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| jamespage | jcastro, this looks largely unmaintained - https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoW1nhI7IMt3dFRvSFdkZmNqQ0t3RjZ2QTR2Z19teWc&hl=en_US#gid=0 | 10:37 |
| jamespage | and is linked from https://juju.ubuntu.com/Charms | 10:38 |
| jamespage | worried it might be creating a bit of confusion about who's working on what charm - new folk don't seem to be looking at bugs in launchpad.... | 10:39 |
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| yolanda | hi jamespage, saw your email | 11:14 |
| yolanda | to see the juju code there, you need to have access to that team, do you want me to put in a public url? | 11:15 |
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| jamespage | yolanda, yes - but we really need to resolve the issue about multiple charms targeting the same service deployment. | 12:50 |
| yolanda | jamespage, it's ok for me. I still have to deal with details of openerp module, to push it to Debian & Ubuntu. But if the charm can be configured to do one thing or another depending on version, that can be good | 13:24 |
| yolanda | what is Patrick Hetu nick, to talk with him? | 13:24 |
| jamespage | yolanda, not sure - check launchpad - it should tell you | 13:25 |
| yolanda | avoine, but is not there, i'll send an email | 13:26 |
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| jkyle | so, if I'm understanding juju correclty. It can't be used as a standalone deployment tool. Only with a cloud like EC2 or MaaS? | 14:54 |
| avoine | jkyle: there is a local deployment option but it's more for testing | 14:56 |
| jkyle | right, so no way to deploy to a target. and I also bumped into a blurb that it's being rewritten in Go? | 14:57 |
| avoine | jkyle: no right now you can deploy to an existing server | 14:57 |
| avoine | jkyle: I'm not sure about Go, I think they want to test it | 14:57 |
| jkyle | I hope not | 14:58 |
| avoine | or make a proof of concept | 14:58 |
| avoine | sorry you cannot deploy to a remote existing server | 14:58 |
| jkyle | proof fo concept is fine. seems moving to go would alienate a lot of potential contributors | 14:58 |
| avoine | only local or via ec2 or Maas | 14:58 |
| jkyle | blurb in question: http://tinyurl.com/79nm8ej | 14:59 |
| jkyle | yeah, I may have to revisit maas my next deployment. was unable to get it (or cobbler) to work well this round | 14:59 |
| avoine | it can be tricky yeah | 15:00 |
| jkyle | I think it was just too early in 12.04's release cycle | 15:01 |
| avoine | it was moving fast in the last months | 15:01 |
| jkyle | yeah, the nail for me was when the source outpaced the hosted ephemeral disks and they wouldn't boot :P | 15:01 |
| avoine | jkyle: so juju is mainly in python | 15:01 |
| jkyle | avoine: right, that was one of the things that first drew my attention | 15:02 |
| jkyle | seems a natural choice for workign with openstack | 15:02 |
| avoine | yeah | 15:02 |
| jkyle | I'm working here and there to get a macport of juju written | 15:04 |
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| jcastro | m_3_: ping | 16:37 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Is there an appropriate place to 'stake a claim' to a specific charm so that people don't double up? Is it that google doc spreadsheet I see floating around? Because that seemed a bit out of date. | 16:59 |
| marcoceppi | FunnyLookinHat: if you're going to start something and there's a bug for it, just claim the bug report for that charm, otherwise create a bug report and assign it to yourself | 17:08 |
| jcastro | FunnyLookinHat: yeah just claim the bug in launchpad by assigning it to yourself. | 17:20 |
| m_3_ | jcastro: hey... bout to call you | 17:21 |
| jcastro | join #juju | 17:21 |
| jcastro | and then call me in 2 minutes. | 17:21 |
| jcastro | I will fill you in | 17:21 |
| jcastro | oh, this is #juju | 17:22 |
| jcastro | ok call me | 17:22 |
| koolhead17 | jcastro, i have assigned one using that google doc, is that okey | 17:22 |
| marcoceppi | koolhead17: that google doc is out of date | 17:22 |
| koolhead17 | gosh | 17:23 |
| koolhead17 | why is it there/mentioned then/ | 17:23 |
| _mup_ | Bug #994116 was filed: juju local environment doesn't survive reboots <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/994116 > | 17:37 |
| SpamapS | koolhead17: I don't know. We should burn the google doc unless it updates automatically from launchpad | 17:42 |
| dpb_ | Hi all -- Is there a right way to copy files between services, when relations are joined. | 17:43 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: scp would be the simplest way. Can you give an example of what you want to copy? | 17:43 |
| dpb_ | SpamapS: it's a server cert actually (self signed) | 17:44 |
| koolhead17 | SpamapS, exactly. I don`t see information catered two places :) | 17:44 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: two simple options. 1) setup SSH between the two hosts by passing along public keys for auth. 2) relation-set certcontent=`cat my.crt` | 17:46 |
| dpb_ | SpamapS: oh on 2.. not a bad idea. | 17:46 |
| _mup_ | Bug #994118 was filed: Update manager fails with an error <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/994118 > | 17:47 |
| dpb_ | SpamapS: I guess it's small enough. if I have a case of something larger, the ssh key approach would be workable as well. thanks | 17:47 |
| _mup_ | juju/scale-test r534 committed by kapil.thangavelu@canonical.com | 17:47 |
| _mup_ | short circuit per machine security group management | 17:47 |
| jcastro | marcoceppi: hey so I had to shuffle the plenaries, you're on monday now. | 18:01 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: http://i.imgur.com/i8YYs.gif | 18:02 |
| marcoceppi | that's cool, I'll hunt you down on Sunday for a drink and quick dicussion about the plenary | 18:03 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: the only trouble is that you have to trust ZK with the content of your cert | 18:09 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: We already trust ZK with a lot of stuff, but its something to think about. | 18:09 |
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| dpb_ | SpamapS: well, this particular charm is for development spin up, so trust is a non-issue. good to know though. BTW I just had to double quote the param to relation-set and it worked. thanks! | 18:24 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: woot | 18:26 |
| jcastro | SpamapS: thomas has an incoming fix for the postgres charm | 19:01 |
| jcastro | he says it was broken, but he fixed it. :) | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | *sweet* | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | I have had a proposed fix for the mysql charm open for over a month | 19:02 |
| * SpamapS wishes somebody would review it | 19:02 | |
| * marcoceppi goes to review | 19:02 | |
| * SpamapS goes to get marcoceppi an IRC beer | 19:05 | |
| gmb | hazmat, Around? | 19:11 |
| hazmat | gmb, yup | 19:12 |
| gmb | hazmat, So, I'm back to trying to get juju to bootstrap with a specific AMI. What should I make the ec2-uri point at in order to be able to use default-image-id? | 19:14 |
| hazmat | gmb, the ec2 region url | 19:14 |
| hazmat | ie. api access endpoint | 19:14 |
| gmb | hazmat, So, ec2.us-west-1.amazonaws.com? | 19:14 |
| gmb | (For e.g.) | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | https://us-east-1.ec2.amazonaws.com | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | I think | 19:15 |
| gmb | Okay, lemme try that (the documentation is a bit ambiguous) | 19:15 |
| gmb | SpamapS, Yep, that got it. Thanks. | 19:15 |
| marcoceppi | SpamapS: shouldn't this be it? region: eu-west-1 | 19:16 |
| marcoceppi | it's what we use to bootstrap omg in the EU EC2 zone | 19:16 |
| gmb | hazmat, SpamapS interestingly, if you get it wrong, the only indication that something's not right is a "400 Bad request" in the juju bootstrap output. | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: There's some specific logic in juju to prevent users from using default-image-id on EC2 (why, I'm not sure, as this seems like we're trying to be peoples' mommies) | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | If somebody wants to ditch our sophisticated and awesome way of looking up image ids.. let 'em. | 19:18 |
| marcoceppi | SpamapS: looks good to me, it too me a while to figure out why you were using md5sums, but makes sense now | 19:20 |
| marcoceppi | merge away | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: Yeah its a little weird but I want to avoid restarting mysql if at all possible. | 19:22 |
| marcoceppi | Right, makes snes | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: thanks for the review! :) | 19:24 |
| * SpamapS pushes | 19:24 | |
| gmb | SpamapS, hazmat: Is the fact that multiple constraints need to be specified as separate --constraints="" parameters a known bug? | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | gmb: I thought hey could be space separated | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | I have not tried them enough to know though | 19:34 |
| gmb | SpamapS, For me, it gets confused and thinks the second constraint is the charm name. | 19:34 |
| gmb | I'll file a bug if one doesn't exist already. | 19:35 |
| hazmat | gmb, you can space separate them | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: who admins _mup_ ? I want him to monitor merge proposals and bugs in charms too | 19:39 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, dunno exactly, i just ask gustavo when i need something changed on it | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | I also want promulgate to be able to notify _mup_ | 19:40 |
| gmb | hazmat: This is what I'm seeing; what am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/965372/ | 19:40 |
| marcoceppi | SpamapS: I just realized, for gluster you don't need to use subordinate charms, just regular relations will work | 19:43 |
| marcoceppi | though it'd be "faster" charms can just use nfs mounts vs nagive gluster mounts | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: they will only work if you want to tie your charm to gluster specifically | 19:48 |
| dpb_ | How do I supply data to a install hook, or more preferrably to a relation? I.e, I would like to supply a URL that is changeable at deploy time to retrieve data about the install. | 19:51 |
| marcoceppi | I've been trying to figure out the workflow for gluster charm/sub The way I see it now, you have two options. Use gluster/gluster-client sub combo but then have the parent charm require gluster-client (to handshake *where* glusterfs mountpoint should be created) or just use gluster as a standalone and require nfs, resulting in a handshake of server details | 19:51 |
| marcoceppi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/965392/ | 19:51 |
| hazmat | gmb, not sure... i'm able to do effectively the equivalent without issue http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/965396/ | 19:52 |
| * hazmat tries with the same constraints | 19:52 | |
| gmb | hazmat, Ah, wait | 19:53 |
| gmb | I have found the problem. | 19:53 |
| hazmat | that works | 19:53 |
| gmb | Old copy of the juju wrapper lying around. | 19:53 |
| hazmat | ah | 19:53 |
| gmb | sitting in /usr/local/bin... | 19:53 |
| hazmat | transparent wrapper is evil | 19:53 |
| * gmb stabs it | 19:53 | |
| hazmat | thankfully gone | 19:53 |
| gmb | Yep. | 19:53 |
| gmb | Good-oh. | 19:53 |
| dpb_ | so like. juju deploy --variable URL=http://foo/bar or juju deploy --relation-data my-relation:URL=http://foo/bar | 19:54 |
| dpb_ | I see the "--config" option on juju deploy, but I'm not sure what it can do. | 19:55 |
| balloons | I'm trying to initialize a basic environment to start messing with juju charms.. I'm looking at this page: https://juju.ubuntu.com/Charms. The "charm update some/dir/precise" and "charm getall some/dir/precise" commands it's telling me to follow are failing :-( | 19:56 |
| balloons | So in short, I got as far as installing juju and charm-tools on an up to date precise installation -- what do I do next? | 19:56 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: what are the commands failing with? | 20:00 |
| balloons | marcoceppi, the charm update and charm getall commands fail differently | 20:00 |
| balloons | which should i do first? | 20:00 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: pastebin both? | 20:00 |
| balloons | sure.. one sec | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: there's supposed to be a --set option for deploy, but I think its been deferred a few times. | 20:01 |
| dpb_ | SpamapS: can I get something similar with --config? I even thought about making a fake service. :) | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: you need to write out a yaml file with the options you want to set | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | servicename: { URL: 'http://foo' } | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: anything you use 'config-get' for, btw, should go in config-changed, not install | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | unless there's a really compelling reason not to let people change the variable later | 20:03 |
| balloons | marcoceppi, here's charm update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/965430/ | 20:04 |
| dpb_ | SpamapS: ok. config-changed is a hook by itself? like install or start or stop? | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: right, it runs after install | 20:04 |
| dpb_ | ok. | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: and any time any config options are changed | 20:04 |
| dpb_ | cool. | 20:05 |
| dpb_ | SpamapS: let me play with that a bit, thx | 20:05 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: mkdir -p projects/charms/precise | 20:05 |
| marcoceppi | then run the command again | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | Hm, with the store now.. | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | I wonder if we should deprecate 'charm getall' | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | its really slow | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | and does things in a wonky way | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | 'charm get xxx' seems better | 20:06 |
| balloons | marcoceppi, I get the same error as you see in the paste | 20:06 |
| * SpamapS removes the suggestion from https://juju.ubuntu.com/Charms | 20:06 | |
| balloons | if you scroll down you see I create the directory and try again | 20:06 |
| balloons | I'm not sure if it worked or not, but stuff does go into the directory, along with the errors | 20:07 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: that's odd | 20:07 |
| balloons | you can see the listing in the paste | 20:08 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: can you cd into that precise folder, and run charm get mysql (just as a test) | 20:08 |
| balloons | running now | 20:08 |
| balloons | Permission denied (publickey). | 20:08 |
| balloons | ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying | 20:08 |
| balloons | Permission denied (publickey). | 20:08 |
| balloons | bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. | 20:08 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: did you install from the archives or ppa? | 20:10 |
| balloons | I installed from the archives | 20:10 |
| balloons | I have an up to date precise install.. running 64-bit | 20:11 |
| balloons | a random side note, but lxc failed to install for me also giving a dpkg subprocess error.. that's really baffling https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/994192 | 20:11 |
| _mup_ | Bug #994192: package lxc 0.7.5-3ubuntu52 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 <amd64> <apport-package> <need-duplicate-check> <precise> <lxc (Ubuntu):New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/994192 > | 20:11 |
| balloons | so charm update and then charm get XXX should work then? | 20:21 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: charm get mysql works fine for me, it's odd that it throws BZR errors for you | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | balloons: you don't actually need charm update anymore | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | balloons: its only for charm getall. So you can just do 'charm get mysql' | 20:36 |
| bkerensa | SpamapS: how did the charm look? | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | bkerensa: sorry which one? | 20:54 |
| balloons | SpamapS, so.. I'm a bit confused then.. I see you updated the page, so I just need to grab a charm then.. what charm might be a good one to have a look at if I'm trying to learn about charms and juju? | 21:02 |
| SpamapS | balloons: wordpress, mysql, subway, appflower .. those are all good ones | 21:03 |
| jcastro | balloons: I'm in the cloud room if you want me to fix your juju | 21:04 |
| SpamapS | balloons: do you have any services in mind that you might want to charm? | 21:04 |
| balloons | jcastro, SpamapS sounds like jcastro is willing to fix my issue | 21:04 |
| balloons | SpamapS, yes, I do have something in mind.. | 21:05 |
| balloons | it's a tomcat app.. but it isn't straightforward to setup or deploy with tomcat | 21:05 |
| balloons | it also requires google refine, jena, mysql and apache | 21:05 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: there's a tomcat charm you could use as a base http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/tomcat7 | 21:05 |
| balloons | ohh and optionally joseki.. so it's a good mix of stuff | 21:05 |
| balloons | is there a tomcat6 charm? | 21:05 |
| SpamapS | balloons: sounds interesting. :) | 21:06 |
| SpamapS | balloons: yes there is | 21:06 |
| balloons | i hoping my install script I typically use for deploying can be converted easily.. I'm curious to see :-) | 21:07 |
| balloons | SpamapS, great.. I'll start with tomcat6 then as a base | 21:07 |
| marcoceppi | balloons: I'm sure it will, most of the stuff I've charmed I just used my huge install script and just tweaked it into the Juju charm structure | 21:08 |
| balloons | cool | 21:08 |
| marcoceppi | s/most/some/ | 21:08 |
| SpamapS | s/some/one time at bandcamp/ | 21:09 |
| marcoceppi | good times | 21:10 |
| SpamapS | balloons: You might be able to just write your app as a "subordinate" app to tomcat6. The benefit there is you don't have to fork tomcat6 | 21:12 |
| bkerensa | SpamapS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/898714 | 21:12 |
| _mup_ | Bug #898714: Charm Needed: The Locker Project <Juju Charms Collection:Fix Committed by bkerensa> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/898714 > | 21:12 |
| SpamapS | bkerensa: ahh, I haven't gotten to it yet. UDS prep has been sucking all my time away ;) | 21:13 |
| bkerensa | indeed | 21:13 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:13 |
| * SpamapS is doing SRU approvals for the first time in 10 days right now | 21:13 | |
| SpamapS | bad.. bad SpamapS | 21:13 |
| balloons | SpamapS, marcoceppi turns out my ssh key for this machine is not in my launchpad profile | 21:37 |
| balloons | that's what was causing the error.. I'm adding the key, and I'm guessing it will work.. had I not had an lp-login, I'm guessing it would have also worked :-) | 21:38 |
| SpamapS | balloons: ahh! | 21:38 |
| jcastro | SpamapS: should I add that to the charm instructions? | 21:43 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: yeah, good idea | 21:45 |
| m_3_ | SpamapS: do you know the current way to specify the explicit ami in ec2 | 21:51 |
| m_3_ | SpamapS: docs say it's turned off for ec2... only works on "private clouds" | 21:51 |
| m_3_ | bootstrap won't respect my deprecated default-image-id | 21:52 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: if you explicitly set ec2-uri to https://$region.ec2.amazonaws.com/ then it will let you use default-image-id | 21:52 |
| m_3_ | ah, thanks! | 21:52 |
| jcastro | SpamapS: ok weird | 21:55 |
| jcastro | do "charm get tomcat6" | 21:55 |
| jcastro | and it gets tomcat6 | 21:55 |
| jcastro | question ... look on the charm store, we don't have an official tomcat6 | 21:56 |
| jcastro | there are two personal tomcat6'es, so which one did it snag? | 21:56 |
| SpamapS | hah | 21:56 |
| SpamapS | the one pointed to by lp:charms/tomcat6 | 21:56 |
| m_3_ | jcastro: look at .bzr/branches/branch.conf | 21:56 |
| SpamapS | Which is actually owned by me | 21:57 |
| SpamapS | doh | 21:57 |
| jcastro | right. :) | 21:57 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: its named 'precise' | 21:57 |
| SpamapS | my guess is it was forked for precise | 21:57 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: perhaps your rename script missed one? | 21:57 |
| m_3_ | SpamapS: dunno... I have notes on the ones it barfed on | 21:59 |
| m_3_ | there were only a couple | 21:59 |
| SpamapS | ok well I think we just need to promulgate a ~charmers owned tomcat6 | 22:00 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: I think it was this one, because I owned it rather than ~charmers | 22:00 |
| m_3_ | oh, yeah, we only dealt with ~charmers explicitly I think | 22:00 |
| * SpamapS fixes | 22:00 | |
| balloons | you can blame me | 22:00 |
| balloons | :-) | 22:00 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: thanks for pointing that out. We should now have an official tomcat6 in precise. | 22:00 |
| balloons | ohh really? | 22:01 |
| * SpamapS notes the charmstore tkaes a bit to update | 22:01 | |
| balloons | SpamapS, since I'm crazy while we're at it.. | 22:01 |
| balloons | I show jcastro this: | 22:01 |
| balloons | balloons@awesomesauce:~/projects/charms/precise$ charm update | 22:01 |
| balloons | usage: update charm_directory [ --fix ] | 22:01 |
| balloons | balloons@awesomesauce:~/projects/charms/precise$ charm update --fix | 22:01 |
| balloons | getopt: unrecognized option '--fix' | 22:01 |
| SpamapS | balloons: its a little bit confusing, I know. but you forogt to put in a dirname | 22:02 |
| SpamapS | balloons: charm update is going away | 22:02 |
| SpamapS | balloons: it was just a stop-gap until we had store.juju.ubuntu.com | 22:03 |
| balloons | SpamapS, yes, jcastro told me.. | 22:03 |
| balloons | I'm trying to not point out the other weirdness I'm finding | 22:03 |
| balloons | keeping my head down.. can't help but notice/find these things | 22:03 |
| SpamapS | balloons: noooooo.. point it out | 22:04 |
| SpamapS | set it all on fire if you have to | 22:04 |
| balloons | is charm update capable of updating all of my charms or ? | 22:05 |
| balloons | is tomcat6 gonna show up eventually on this page? http://jujucharms.com/charms | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | balloons: tomcat6 will show up there yes | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | balloons: charm list already shows it | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | balloons: 'charm update' just pulls all the official charms into a '.mrconfig' which you can then use to bzr branch every charm... | 22:06 |
| SpamapS | balloons: that was a good idea when we had 20. Now we have over 70. | 22:06 |
| balloons | ok, so let's say the offical tomcat6 charm is updated | 22:07 |
| balloons | how do I know it got updated / and how would I get the update? | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | balloons: well as a charm dev, 'bzr pull' | 22:10 |
| SpamapS | balloons: for your services, 'juju upgrade-charm servicename' | 22:11 |
| balloons | hmm.. ok, but no way for me to know there are pending updates? | 22:12 |
| balloons | for your sake.. i'm trying to relate this to how apt works | 22:12 |
| balloons | aka what is the equivalant for apt-get update, apt-get dis-upgrade? | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | balloons: there's no "upgrade all of my services" | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | balloons: upgrade-charm will pull a new version of the charm if one exists | 22:25 |
| balloons | Ok, can I know there is a new version before running? | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | no, that seems like a useful feature | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | I bet we can hack that up in juju-jitsu | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | just parse status and compare charm revisions to the repo | 22:26 |
| balloons | :-) | 22:27 |
| * SpamapS just submitted perhaps his most interesting new-charm yet.. "ubuntu" | 22:27 | |
| FunnyLookinHat | err - am I reading correctly... no nginx charm ? | 22:28 |
| FunnyLookinHat | http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise | 22:28 |
| SpamapS | FunnyLookinHat: we have charms that use nginx in development | 22:28 |
| SpamapS | FunnyLookinHat: the thing is, nginx by itself isn't very interesting | 22:29 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Is there a process for referencing "in development" charms... I want to create a charm that relies on it -and rather than build it into my install script I'd rather just require it and configure it in install | 22:29 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Right | 22:29 |
| FunnyLookinHat | But having a charm published would allow me to do requires: http: nginx | 22:29 |
| FunnyLookinHat | or something like that, right? | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | sort of | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | FunnyLookinHat: most of the intelligence for nginx that is generic is already in the package | 22:31 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Ah ok | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | FunnyLookinHat: so, just 'apt-get install nginx' gets you all the generic tools | 22:31 |
| FunnyLookinHat | slick | 22:31 |
| FunnyLookinHat | I had some poor assumption that charms should leverage the latest stable source rather than packages | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | FunnyLookinHat: we *have* discussed having an nginx charm that would then have subordinate app charms attached to it.. | 22:32 |
| FunnyLookinHat | But that's clearly backwards. | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | FunnyLookinHat: some charms do | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | But only when they absolutely need to | 22:32 |
| FunnyLookinHat | SpamapS, ah ok cool. | 22:32 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Will you be at UDS ? | 22:32 |
| FunnyLookinHat | err - ARE you at UDS? | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | Tuesday and Thursday | 22:32 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Oh you're in the bay area ? | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | No, I'm in LA | 22:32 |
| FunnyLookinHat | ah | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | flying up for day trips Tue and Thu | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | I'd come all week, but wife is 8 months pregnant | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | she wants me home at night, just in case :) | 22:33 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Well - swing by the System76 booth and introduce yourself on Tuesday... | 22:33 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Ah yes. | 22:33 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Good priority. :) | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | I will for sure. :) | 22:33 |
| FunnyLookinHat | ok - so quick question... what good is the requires: db: mysql for then if it's coming from packages? | 22:34 |
| balloons | SpamapS, more questions :-) is there an apache charm? | 22:34 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Or is it requiring mysql on a charm-level - i.e. distributed and whatnot | 22:34 |
| balloons | and depending -- how can I setup a charm for a webservice that runs on apache/tomcat? | 22:34 |
| FunnyLookinHat | balloons, doesn't look like it. | 22:34 |
| bkerensa | FunnyLookinHat: system76 will have a booth at UDS? | 22:34 |
| bkerensa | :D | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | balloons: just like nginx.. all the generic stuff is already in the packages. The charms need to configure apache/nginx/etc. for the specific app | 22:35 |
| FunnyLookinHat | bkerensa, heck yes - we'll have some really awesome ( and some new I believe ) hardware to show off | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | balloons: Though we might have a generic "high performance PHP nginx" that can plug into PHP apps via subordinates. | 22:35 |
| bkerensa | FunnyLookinHat: cool stuff :) I have a Dell atm | 22:36 |
| balloons | SpamapS, hmm.. I suppose your right.. I wonder if I'd use tomcat6 charm or just the package | 22:36 |
| balloons | I might have some more ah-duh questions as I walk thru this | 22:37 |
| SpamapS | balloons: well the charm is sort of a framework | 22:37 |
| FunnyLookinHat | bbl | 22:37 |
| SpamapS | balloons: in fact, for tomcat6, IIRC, it takes a URL to fetch a WAR from. | 22:37 |
| balloons | right right.. and I won't have that | 22:37 |
| balloons | better for me to install it as part of charm i'd guess | 22:37 |
| balloons | cool. | 22:37 |
| balloons | wheels are turning | 22:37 |
| * SpamapS hears journey | 22:38 | |
| SpamapS | THE WHEELS IN THE SKY KEEP ON TUUUURRNNNIIINNN | 22:38 |
| * balloons sings don't stop believin.... streetlights, people... ooo ahhh oooo | 22:38 | |
| Sydney | hi everybody, does someone know why the rabbitmq charm for precise throws out error whilst trying to deploy? | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: make sure you use 'rabbitmq-server' | 22:41 |
| Sydney | yes i do, but still.. | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | ok | 22:41 |
| Sydney | just error: nothing else.. | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: is that coming from the debug-log ? | 22:44 |
| Sydney | anyhow.. pulled the branch, seems to work locally | 22:44 |
| Sydney | no.. | 22:44 |
| Sydney | stdout.. | 22:44 |
| Sydney | weird.. | 22:45 |
| Sydney | whoops.. | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: stdout of your machine? | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | like you type 'juju deploy rabbitmq-server' and it prints 'error:' and exits? | 22:46 |
| Sydney | exactly.. he's connecting, throws out error, exits.. | 22:47 |
| Sydney | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/20/%23juju.html somebody mentioned that the charm name wouldn't match the metadata.. | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | hm | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | bkerensa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bugs?field.tag=new-charm .. I don't see your locker charm. | 22:50 |
| bkerensa | SpamapS: I have to file a new bug for a charm thats already wishlisted? | 22:51 |
| bkerensa | there I added the new-charm tag to the existing bug | 22:51 |
| bkerensa | https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/898714 | 22:51 |
| _mup_ | Bug #898714: Charm Needed: The Locker Project <new-charm> <Juju Charms Collection:Fix Committed by bkerensa> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/898714 > | 22:51 |
| bkerensa | the branch is linked to the bug report | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | bkerensa: right, thats why it didn't get reviewed. :) | 22:52 |
| bkerensa | ahh | 22:52 |
| bkerensa | >.< | 22:52 |
| dpb_ | How do I change the series of a deployment at the command line when I'm launching? like --series lucid or something? | 22:54 |
| SpamapS | dpb_: juju deploy cs:precise/foo or juju deploy local:precise/foo | 22:54 |
| dpb_ | ok, derived from the name... got it. | 22:55 |
| dpb_ | SpamapS: thx again! | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | namespace.. but yes :) | 22:55 |
| dpb_ | :) | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: ahh, ok, I'm fixing it | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: things were very broken there.. we had a bit of a rough patch with the move from oneiric -> precise | 22:56 |
| Sydney | please, what? | 22:56 |
| Sydney | that fast? | 22:56 |
| dpb_ | SpamapS: do lucid lxc images work? Do you configure your environment differently to support them? | 22:57 |
| dpb_ | s/images/containers/ | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: very confusing, but I think I have it figured out. | 22:58 |
| Sydney | take your time.. | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | adam_g: question about rabbitmq charms | 23:10 |
| SpamapS | adam_g: would you say lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/charms/precise/rabbitmq-server/trunk is the "best" charm to have in precise? | 23:10 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: I think I finally figured out the rabbitmq mess | 23:16 |
| m_3_ | SpamapS: awesome... thanks! | 23:17 |
| m_3_ | did you unpromulgate lp:charms/rabbit | 23:18 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: promulgate looks at meatdata.yaml to choose a charm name | 23:18 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: the charms have name: rabbitmq | 23:18 |
| SpamapS | meatdata | 23:18 |
| SpamapS | hehe | 23:18 |
| SpamapS | or rather, had | 23:18 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: yes! | 23:19 |
| SpamapS | fixed | 23:19 |
| SpamapS | finally | 23:19 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: lp:charms/rabbitmq-server now points at https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/rabbitmq-server/trunk | 23:20 |
| SpamapS | m_3_: and there is no lp:charms/rabbitmq | 23:20 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: if you want to make sure I got a working charm, you can do 'charm get rabbitmq-server' and then deploy it using local:rabbitmq-server | 23:21 |
| SpamapS | thats now *3* charms we need deleted from the charm store. | 23:21 |
| m_3_ | SpamapS: awesome | 23:21 |
| Sydney | well, i will give it a try as i do testing anyways.. had pulled it via bazar for now.. but i'll give it a shot.. thanks anyways.. | 23:23 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: right, so just 'bzr branch lp:charms/rabbitmq-server' | 23:25 |
| Sydney | exactly... | 23:25 |
| Sydney | but how do i pull a charm with "charm get rabbitmq-server"? | 23:26 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: thats just an alias for 'bzr branch lp:charms/$1' | 23:27 |
| Sydney | all right.. i'm pretty new to juju, beginner's class :) | 23:28 |
| SpamapS | Sydney: welcome! | 23:28 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 23:28 |
| Sydney | Thanks, Man.. nice to know.. | 23:29 |
| balloons | SpamapS, alright.. i'm in knee deep now :-) So I have a few questions on my first charm here | 23:41 |
| balloons | my app in question needs a specific user and table created as part of the setup in mysql | 23:42 |
| SpamapS | balloons: why a specific user? | 23:52 |
| SpamapS | balloons: it can't just use the user you tell it to use? | 23:52 |
| SpamapS | balloons: most apps just want to own a single database all to themselves | 23:54 |
| SpamapS | balloons: if yours is special and more complex, you can use the other interfaces in the mysql charm.. mysql-shared or mysql-root | 23:54 |
| balloons | SpamapS, well, yes, it wants it's own db.. but I need to get that value back.. if the user is randomly named | 23:56 |
| balloons | I need to tell the app what the setup info is | 23:56 |
| SpamapS | balloons: right, thats how all charms work | 23:56 |
| balloons | right ;-) | 23:56 |
| SpamapS | balloons: you need a something-relation-changed hook, attached to an 'interface: mysql' relation | 23:57 |
| balloons | ahh.. I was missing the relation bit | 23:57 |
| SpamapS | balloons: that hook will use 'relation-get user' to find out the user (and password, database, host, etc) | 23:57 |
| balloons | right | 23:57 |
| balloons | i was trying that in my install hook | 23:57 |
| balloons | ahh-ha | 23:57 |
| SpamapS | nooo install is for things that only ever happen one time | 23:57 |
| SpamapS | relations are important :) | 23:58 |
| balloons | lol - yes, I got the idea better now.. | 23:58 |
| * balloons is off to add some new hooks! | 23:59 | |
| SpamapS | ok, my brain is officially fried | 23:59 |
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