[00:16] <urlwolf> looks like recent versions of kde leave power management to the OS. I don't think there's CPU scaling by deeauld
[00:17] <urlwolf> my laptop runs really hot, is there any way to get it to run cooler with cpu scaling? (i7 HP 8034w)
[00:22] <pepee> urlwolf, there was an app I was using, but I don't remember which was :/
[00:23] <pepee> urlwolf, nah. System Settings/Power Management
[00:26] <urlwolf> also, I cannot access the virtual terminals (ctrl alt F1-F6), why is that?
[00:27] <urlwolf> pepee: I can see it in system settings, but it doesn't let me change profile
[00:28] <urlwolf> what's there enables one to set up what happens 'on ac power' 'on battery' etc but not changing the current profile to any
[00:29] <dbc254> another process is using the update package is the msg, but I don't have anything else open!?!?!
[00:31] <pepee> urlwolf, there is no error msg? in mine says "power management configuration module could not be loaded"
[00:32] <urlwolf> no error
[00:32] <pepee> urlwolf, also, you should be able to switch vt's. I don't know why you can't
[00:32] <urlwolf> what shortcut are you using?
[00:33] <pepee> urlwolf, ctrl+alt+F1
[00:33] <urlwolf> maybe there's a setting somewhere to castrate the VTs? I'm using that one, nothing happens
[00:34] <pepee> dbc254, in the terminal: ps ax | grep -E 'apt|dpkg'
[00:34] <pepee> dbc254, use pastebin
[00:35] <urlwolf> I have 'enable autologin' in the login manager. Maybe that killed my VTs?
[00:35] <pepee> urlwolf, problem is, I'm not using kde right now
[00:35] <pepee> urlwolf, no, it shouldn't
[00:35] <pepee> urlwolf, not even a blank screen?
[00:35] <urlwolf> first time I'm away from VTs, on any system
[00:35] <urlwolf> nope
[00:36] <urlwolf> maybe i accidentally overwrote the shortcuts for VTs?
[00:37] <pepee> urlwolf, yeah, could be
[00:37] <DorkVader> yo, does kubuntu or ubuntu have a software firewall running by default?
[00:37] <pepee> dbc254, run this in the terminal (alt+f2, then type konsole): ps ax | grep -E 'apt|dpkg'
[00:37] <urlwolf> nope, syssettings doesn't allow me to use ctrl alt F1 as shortcut
[00:38] <pepee> DorkVader, shouldn't, I think. ubuntu comes with ufw
[00:38] <DorkVader> hm...... I can't communicate with a local virtualbox VM on port 9000... I have it NAT'd in virtual box, I have done this quite a few times and it has always worked... I am wondering if there is a firewall or something in the way
[00:38] <urlwolf> should I ask in #ubuntu?
[00:40] <pepee> urlwolf, changed graphics driver recently?
[00:40] <pepee> urlwolf, try
[00:41] <urlwolf> yes
[00:41] <urlwolf> now on nvidia
[00:41] <pepee> DorkVader, check the guest ips
[00:41] <pepee> urlwolf, that could be. I have had some problem like that
[00:41] <pepee> don't know how to solve :/
[00:42] <DorkVader> pepee: Yeah, good call.. the guest has no IP, or /dev/eth0... :(
[00:42] <pepee> DorkVader, ask in #vbox
[00:43] <pepee> DorkVader, use dhclient in the guest vm
[00:44] <pepee> dbc254, again, run this in the terminal (alt+f2, then type konsole): ps ax | grep -E 'apt|dpkg'
[00:44] <pepee> dbc254, talk in the channel, please
[00:44] <DorkVader> pepee: Yeah, I've tried that, not bringing up a /dev/eth0 on ifconfig... not giving any errors or warnings when I run dhclient.  When I run lsmod, the  e1000 package is listed.  Virtualbox is set to  use an Intel pro 1000 ethernet card
[00:45] <pepee> no errors from dhclient? check IP again
[00:45] <pepee> also, use the dhclient -v
[00:46] <DorkVader> ah, ok, good call, "No broadcast interfaces found"
[00:47] <pepee> ifconfig eth0 up ?
[00:47] <pepee> or "connec the cable" in vbox
[00:47] <pepee> dbc254, no output from that command?
[00:48] <dbc254> nope
[00:48] <dbc254> pepee, should've stayed with 11.04?
[00:48] <pepee> dbc254, nah
[00:49] <pepee> dbc254, try running    sudo apt-get update
[00:49] <dbc254> ran sudo apt-get update
[00:49] <dbc254> what's aptitude?
[00:50] <LawnMowersSuck> i'm not sure what the deal is, but off and on, when there are Qt updates, they cause the fan on my net-top to run constantly. then the next round of Qt4 updates stop that. it seems to always be back and forth.
[00:51] <pepee> dbc254, another package manager
[00:51] <dbc254> is it any better than this muon crap?
[00:51] <LawnMowersSuck> does aptitude have support for multi-arch yet?
[00:52] <pepee> dbc254, muon uses apt-get, I suppose
[00:52] <pepee> dbc254, aptitude is a command line package manager
[00:52] <LawnMowersSuck> dbc254: if you are wanting a decent graphical package manager, you should stick with synaptic.
[00:52] <dbc254> muon be moron for me. . .
[00:53] <LawnMowersSuck> muon sucks, and probably always will.
[00:53] <pepee> LawnMowersSuck, IIRC that was fixed, but ubuntu devs recommend using apt-get
[00:53] <dbc254> synaptic? is that in the repositories?
[00:53] <pepee> I used to use aptitude, too :(
[00:53] <pepee> dbc254, yes
[00:53] <LawnMowersSuck> dbc254: yes, it has always been the most used package manager for debian/ubuntu/etc
[00:54] <LawnMowersSuck> dbc254: unfortunately, it is a GTK app
[00:54] <LawnMowersSuck> in the KDE3 days, adept was a nice package manager. it is a shame that its development was stopped. there is a new adept, but it also sucks.
[00:54] <pepee> I don't use kde anymore, because of the mess
[00:55] <pepee> LawnMowersSuck, yeah
[00:55] <LawnMowersSuck> pepee: what do you use, where there is no mess?
[00:55] <pepee> lxde
[00:55] <pepee> lots of stability :P
[00:55] <pepee> not being developed, I think...
[00:56] <LawnMowersSuck> to me, the KDE mess is largely in the past. and KDE cannot be blamed for bad debian/ubuntu package management tools.
[00:56] <dbc254> here, here!
[00:56] <DorkVader> pepee: ok, thanks for the help, I got some help from the people in #vbox
[00:57] <LawnMowersSuck> also, LXDE is definitely still being developed.
[00:57] <pepee> LawnMowersSuck, well, they stopped supporting some apps, and then they create another app to replace the older one...
[00:57] <pepee> DorkVader, you are welcome
[00:58] <LawnMowersSuck> i am hoping for razor-qt to progress. i've never been much of a GTK fan.
[00:58] <pepee> gnome is horrible
[00:58] <dbc254> do I have to uninstall muon to use synaptic?
[00:58] <LawnMowersSuck> dbc254: no
[00:58] <pepee> don't even know what gnome shell or unity is :P
[00:58] <pepee> I've been being using the same system on diff machines
[00:59] <LawnMowersSuck> pepee: i know what they are, but have never used either of them
[00:59] <pepee> s/being//
[00:59] <ken__> I have a quick question regarding kubuntu netbook edition
[00:59] <EvilResistance> there is such a thing?
[00:59] <JMichaelX> there is a netbook mode... not edition
[00:59] <dbc254> thanks guys! synaptic seems to be working where muon wasn't.
[01:00] <JMichaelX> muon sucks. the old adept needs to be revived, and ported to KDE4.
[01:00] <ken__> so I can install it on a netbook and "switch" the mode?
[01:00] <pepee> in the end, the cli works :P
[01:00] <JMichaelX> ken__: i assume so.
[01:01] <pepee> ken__, no kde version of ubuntu netbook remix
[01:01] <JMichaelX> pepee: aptitude actually was not working all that well, due to it not having supported multi-arch. hopefully that support is there now, but i have not checked.
[01:01] <ken__> would ubuntu be better?
[01:01] <JMichaelX> ken__: that is all a matter of personal preference
[01:02] <pepee> ken__, kde uses lots of resources. don't know about unity
[01:02] <ken__> just don't want to bog it down.
[01:02] <pepee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[01:03] <ken__> thanks pepee
[01:03] <ken__> I'll give it a try
[01:04] <JMichaelX> ken__: UNR is no lobger around. you can install Lucid UNR, if you want, but you probably should not do that.
[01:04] <pepee> JMichaelX, about the Qt thing: you should fill a bug report
[01:04] <JMichaelX> longer*
[01:04] <pepee> yeah, seems outdated
[01:05] <ken__> ok, then what would be good for a netbook. W7 Starter is crashed and full of viruses
[01:05] <ken__> no startup disks
[01:05] <JMichaelX> UNR ceased being developed several years ago. as to whether ubuntu or kubuntu is lighter on a netbook, i'd have no idea. i am still running UNR Lucid on my dell  mini 9, but i am fixing to migrate to precise sometime soon... maybe even tonight
[01:05] <pepee> JMichaelX, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768
[01:06] <JMichaelX> ken__: to me, win7 on a netbook (especially a single core) is ridiculous to begin with
[01:06] <JMichaelX> pepee: that is what i thought
[01:06] <ken__> W7 starter... it boot fairly fast, but nothing works, not even the HP restoration tools
[01:07] <JMichaelX> ken__: i'd get rid of it
[01:08] <JMichaelX> ken__: you have several options... ubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu (LXDE also has some kind of netbook interface)... all a matter of personal preference
[01:08] <ken__> that would be fine if it were mine. I was trying to revive it for a friend
[01:09] <pepee> lubuntu is great, very simple
[01:09] <JMichaelX> in that case, i do not know what to say. i am not a windows user to begin with (except when forced to use it at work for some reason), and could not tolerate win7 starter for 5 minutes.
[01:09] <ken__> trying to make a convert here, I love linux, still learning though
[01:11] <pepee> well, install lubuntu, then download lots of apps and games
[01:12] <pepee> what hardware specs?
[01:12] <ken__> pepee: will libre office or open office work on it>
[01:12] <ken__> ?
[01:13] <pepee> ken__, lubuntu uses lxde as window manager. other than that, all *buntus are the same
[01:13] <JMichaelX> pepee: LXDE uses openbox as window manager, by default.
[01:14] <pepee> JMichaelX, ahh, didn't know
[01:14] <ken__> it's the hp mini 210-1094 NR with an intel ATOM
[01:14] <pepee> ken__,  let him decide. download livecds, run them in the machine or in a vm
[01:14] <JMichaelX> ken__: which atom?
[01:15] <ken__> not sure, all functions are hidden with this virus that I can clean out without reformatting the HD
[01:17] <pepee> some machines comes with an option to boot windows recovery after POST
[01:17] <JMichaelX> ken__: it appears to have the N450, which is a single-core CPU (though with hyper-threading & 64-bit support)
[01:18] <JMichaelX> ken__:  i would not want to get you in trouble, but win7 starter simply sucks.. your friend may not agree, however
[01:18] <ken__> pepee: yeah, it's all boogered up
[01:19] <pepee> ahh :/
[01:19] <ken__> well I'll start w/ kubuntu and work down from there
[01:20] <ken__> lubuntu will be last
[01:20] <ken__> thanks to all for your help, very much appreciated!
[01:20] <pepee> you can install lubuntu-desktop from kde :P
[01:21] <pepee> xubuntu, unity, ...
[01:21] <ken__> pepee: really?
[01:21] <pepee> yes
[01:22] <ken__> how?
[01:22] <ken__> <still learning?
[01:22] <ken__> <still learning>
[01:23] <pepee> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[01:24] <ken__> huh! ok - that's easy
[01:24] <pepee> after restart, you can select the desktop environment in kdm
[01:25] <ken__> ok, kdm...?
[01:26] <pepee> kdm - KDE Display Manager
[01:26] <ken__> yeah.... sorry, I got it
[01:26] <ken__> thanks again pepee
[01:27] <pepee> no problem ken__
[01:31] <DorkVader> yo, how does one change the logo for the klicker menu?
[01:51] <brambleclaw> ok so i am not sure which OS my computer is running as it was given to me by a family member. the opening screen is what appears to be ubuntu however when i logged in it regestered as Kubuntu. for some reason i can no longer log in to my profile and have to use a guest. when i try to log in it quickly flashes to a screen that resembles a terminal screen and then goes back to the login screen. can anyone help?
[01:53] <shiroi|yaiba> brambleclaw: Does the terminal give any error messag
[01:53] <shiroi|yaiba> ?
[01:53] <brambleclaw> not as far as i can tell but it only flashes for a second. it does seem to resemble the screen that shows when i log out of the guest
[01:55] <shiroi|yaiba> You can switch into the terminal/text-login with ctrl-alt-f1 ctrl-alt-f7 will take you back to graphical. Try logging in with your regular user in the terminal mode.
[01:55] <shiroi|yaiba> See what it says
[01:55] <brambleclaw> ok
[01:55] <brambleclaw> i'll brb
[02:03] <brambleclaw> ok so i logged in and it said that it failed accessing the cache
[02:08] <shiroi|yaiba> I'm not sure what that means, but now you have some info, so lets try googling it.
[02:08] <shiroi|yaiba> Could you type out the entire error message?
[02:08] <shiroi|yaiba> Does it log you in anyway, or does it kick you out back to login?
[02:09] <brambleclaw> it stayed at the terminal window
[02:09] <brambleclaw> ok brb
[02:12] <asobi> just installed 12.04. how do i get konqueror to be file manager instead of browser?
[02:15] <pepee> asobi, just put the path in the url bar
[02:15] <pepee> asobi, like /tmp/
[02:15] <asobi> er, i like a gui
[02:16] <szal> lol
[02:16] <amason> System Settings -> Defaults Applications -> File Manager
[02:17] <amason> you should be able to set konqueror there
[02:19] <asobi> just did but rekonq still opens as browser
[02:19] <szal> rekonq != konqueror
[02:20] <brambleclaw> ok
[02:20] <asobi> :/
[02:20]  * asobi misses konqueror
[02:21] <pepee> install it?
[02:21] <bazhang> !info konqueror
[02:21] <szal> well, install it (if it isn't already)
[02:21] <bazhang> asobi, ^^
[02:21] <brambleclaw> [623.651658]sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] asking forcache data failed
[02:21] <pepee> try alt+f2 "konsole"
[02:21] <asobi> oh
[02:22] <szal> konsole?
[02:22] <asobi> so it's not installed by default
[02:22] <pepee> err konqueror
[02:22] <asobi> ~_~
[02:22] <pepee> xD
[02:22] <bazhang> asobi, so install it
[02:22] <brambleclaw> [623.651658]sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] assuming drive cache: write through
[02:22] <brambleclaw> that was my error message
[02:22] <asobi> thanks all~
[02:22] <brambleclaw> and every few seconds it kept repeating\
[02:23] <goddard> how can i get firefox to use dolphin?
[02:23] <Kalidarn> hey is this bug which has been solved going to get it's update pushed back into kubuntu https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297536
[02:23] <Kalidarn> http://download.kde.org/stable/oxygen-gtk2/1.2.3/src/oxygen-gtk2-1.2.3.tar.bz2.mirrorlist
[02:25] <pepee> brambleclaw, checked your hdd?
[02:25] <brambleclaw> no?
[02:25] <Kalidarn> we've currently got currently we are stuck with  gtk2-engines-oxyg 1.2.2-0ubuntu1    Oxygen widget theme for GTK+-based applications
[02:26] <brambleclaw> i got the error when i logged in by using the CTRL + ALT + F1
[02:26] <pepee> brambleclaw, did ubuntu do that ever?
[02:27] <pepee> brambleclaw, you said it kept repeating. sounds like a faulty hdd to me, but i'm not sure
[02:27] <brambleclaw> i don't know the OS i have is so weird. it was my brothers. :P it has the ubuntu login screen but when i logged in to my profile before it showed as kubuntu
[02:28] <brambleclaw> ok so what does that mean and how do i fix it?
[02:29] <goddard> Strigi is taking FOREVER!
[02:30] <pepee> brambleclaw, how many disks do you have, and in which one is ubuntu installed?
[02:31] <brambleclaw> i think i have one disk? on the login screen it has an icon next to the profile name that when clicked it has a list of OS's such as Xubuntu, ubuntu, KDE, Gnome, and XFE
[02:32] <brambleclaw> each then goes to it's splash screen and then to it's corresponding desktop
[02:32] <pepee> what is sdb? an usb disk?
[02:33] <pepee> brambleclaw, select some random option, see if it works
[02:33] <brambleclaw> sorry, what? i have very little computer knowledge
[02:33] <brambleclaw> i have tried all of them
[02:33] <brambleclaw> no dice
[02:34] <Num83rGuy> KDE's network manager will not auto-connect to my vpn on login or when there is a loss of network connection or loss of VPN connection.
[02:35] <brambleclaw> the guest profile is what i'm currently using
[02:36] <Num83rGuy> Is anyone aware of VPN problems with the network manager.
[02:37] <pepee> brambleclaw, do you have an usb disk connected in the computer?
[02:37] <brambleclaw> no i use the stock hard drive.
[02:37] <brambleclaw> is that what you're asking?
[02:38] <pepee> yes
[02:38] <pepee> brambleclaw, is a laptop?
[02:38] <brambleclaw> yeah an acer aspire one
[02:38] <brambleclaw> ok
[02:39] <pepee> ahh, k, so the error msg probably comes from somewhere else...
[02:39] <brambleclaw> it is a recovered drowning victem
[02:40] <brambleclaw> my sister dropped her water in ti
[02:40] <brambleclaw> it*
[02:41] <pepee> :/
[02:41] <brambleclaw> yeah...
[02:41] <pepee> use memtest to check the memory modules
[02:41] <brambleclaw> ok?
[02:42] <brambleclaw> how?
[02:43] <pepee> brambleclaw, reboot, hold the shift key, then in the menu go to memtest and press enter
[02:43] <brambleclaw> ok will do
[02:43] <brambleclaw> brb
[02:44] <pepee> brambleclaw, wait
[02:44] <Num83rGuy> It will take some time.
[02:44] <brambleclaw> ok
[02:44] <pepee> yeah...
[02:44] <brambleclaw> ?
[02:45] <Num83rGuy> Depending on the amount of RAM you have it could take several minutes.
[02:45] <Num83rGuy> 10, 15, 30,..
[02:45] <brambleclaw> i had just changed the name of the profile then turned it off. then five minutes later i turned it back on to find the proplem
[02:46] <brambleclaw> i have just under 1GB of ram
[02:46] <Num83rGuy> So, does anyone know anything about the network manager and VPNs?
[02:46] <pepee> brambleclaw, ahh, so it was working fine?
[02:46] <Trippler> Hey. I want to install kubuntu but am having a few issues. When I have booed the installer and press "Try kubuntu" the loading screen comes up and shows all icons loading but once they start fading it stops (75%ish faded) and hangs. The same thing happens when I try to do anything in the disk partitioning part of the installer (if I use any of the options the box that is supposed to be there...
[02:46] <Trippler> ...comes up with correct size but it hangs before it shows any content in the box). Anyone able to help? Thanks
[02:46] <brambleclaw> yeah
[02:46] <pepee> Num83rGuy, I don't know, sorry...
[02:47] <brambleclaw> me nither num83erGuy
[02:47] <brambleclaw> yeah pepee it was runnign perfect
[02:48] <Num83rGuy> OK thanks I will ask again later.
[02:48] <pepee> Num83rGuy, ask in #ubuntu
[02:48] <brambleclaw> it actually earlyer that day ran runescape for the first time
[02:50] <pepee> brambleclaw, hmm sounds like a bug
[02:50] <pepee> brambleclaw, how did you change the profile name?
[02:51] <brambleclaw> profile i think?
[02:51] <brambleclaw> profile manger
[02:51] <brambleclaw> manager
[02:52] <brambleclaw> it opened another window after asking for my password
[02:52] <brambleclaw> it had done so before so i didn't think anything of it
[02:55] <brambleclaw> should i just start over? re-install kubuntu?
[03:00] <pepee> brambleclaw, are you logged in now?
[03:02] <brambleclaw> i'm logged in to the guest
[03:03] <pepee> brambleclaw, try this: in konsole, run: sudo <your user here>
[03:03] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:03] <pepee> and type the password for that user
[03:04] <brambleclaw> sudo: unable to change to sudoers gid: Operation not permitted sudo: setresuid() [0, 0, 0] -> [120, -1, -1]: Operation not permitted
[03:06] <brambleclaw> what does it mean?
[03:06] <pepee> hmm I don't know
[03:07] <pepee> I'm searching for it
[03:07] <brambleclaw> :P
[03:07] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:08] <pepee> brambleclaw, can you update your system?
[03:08] <brambleclaw> there are no updates
[03:08] <brambleclaw> i just did the new distribution
[03:09] <pepee> brambleclaw, try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:09] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:09] <brambleclaw> same message
[03:10] <brambleclaw> and same message again when i just put in sudo
[03:11] <pepee> brambleclaw, problem: I don't really know what a guest account is :P
[03:11] <pepee> anyway, don't worry
[03:11] <brambleclaw> oh ok :P this is actually the first time i've used one on a linux system and it's not in the kubuntu format
[03:12] <brambleclaw> ok?
[03:16] <pepee> brambleclaw, so you changed the profile name. what about the password?
[03:17] <brambleclaw> i did that right when i got it about a month ago
[03:17] <pepee> ok, it was working fine until... ?
[03:18] <brambleclaw> last night about 1:30?
[03:18] <brambleclaw> turned it off at maybe 12?
[03:18] <pepee> did you update the system?
[03:18] <brambleclaw> yep
[03:19] <brambleclaw> fineshed yesterday morning
[03:20] <pepee> ok
[03:21] <pepee> try this: type ctrl+alt+F2,  then  ctrl+alt+F8  or F7 to come back...
[03:21] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:22] <shiroi|yaiba> brambleclaw: this indeed looks like a hard disk problem http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=627231
[03:22] <pepee> type ctrl+alt+F2,  put your username, press enter, type your password and press enter
[03:22] <pepee> shiroi|yaiba, looks like this to me: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769747
[03:23] <pepee> shiroi|yaiba, more likely, a problem with the flash cards reader
[03:23] <shiroi|yaiba> hmm, perhaps...
[03:23] <shiroi|yaiba> I don't see why that would prevent graphical login, though.
[03:24] <pepee> nah, it doesn't
[03:24] <shiroi|yaiba> Well, that's the problem he's having, if you'd read the beginning.
[03:24] <pepee> I'll make him rename ~/.kde
[03:24] <brambleclaw> ok pepee so i got Durion@Joshua-Aspire-One:/$
[03:25] <shiroi|yaiba> brambleclaw: You're logged in.
[03:25] <pepee> he says " when i try to log in it quickly flashes to a screen that resembles a terminal screen and then goes back to the login screen."
[03:25] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:25] <brambleclaw> it's the same screen i get when i log off of the guest
[03:25] <shiroi|yaiba> So there's no problem with your account, it probably has to do with your graphical manager.
[03:25] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:25] <shiroi|yaiba> Did you try selecting GNOME or Xubuntu during login?
[03:25] <shiroi|yaiba> *graphical* login
[03:26] <brambleclaw> yeah i tried all of the options with the same results
[03:26] <shiroi|yaiba> You mentioned that you have those options
[03:26] <shiroi|yaiba> Okay, so it's a problem with your X configuration or graphics drivers.
[03:26] <pepee> brambleclaw, now, run this:      mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_backup       be careful when typing...
[03:26] <brambleclaw> the guest however works perfectly fine with all of them
[03:26] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:26] <shiroi|yaiba> pepee: it may not be in .kde since it's a problem across all WMs
[03:27] <pepee> shiroi|yaiba, could be related to lightdm
[03:27] <shiroi|yaiba> pepee: but it is worth a try, I guess.
[03:27] <shiroi|yaiba> perhaps...
[03:27] <pepee> shiroi|yaiba, yeah
[03:27] <pepee> shiroi|yaiba, if this doesn't work, I'm gonna make him install kdm
[03:27] <shiroi|yaiba> pepee: he may already have it running.
[03:28] <shiroi|yaiba> we should ask what the login screen looks like/ color scheme so we know which dm he's running.
[03:28] <shiroi|yaiba> It probably is gdm or lightdm though, considering that the boot splash says ubuntu
[03:29] <shiroi|yaiba> Of course, his brother seems experienced enough to have changed it.
[03:29] <pepee> yeah
[03:29] <pepee> hehe
[03:29] <brambleclaw> its saying "no such file or directory
[03:29] <pepee> he even installed lots of DEs, so...
[03:29] <pepee> brambleclaw, uh, ok
[03:29] <shiroi|yaiba> brambleclaw, what color is your login screen?
[03:29] <shiroi|yaiba> What does it look like?
[03:30] <brambleclaw> It says ubuntu with its logo and black fading to pinkish orange from top left to bottom right
[03:30] <shiroi|yaiba> Okay, he's using lightdm
[03:30] <brambleclaw> i haven't ever seen it before
[03:30] <shiroi|yaiba> Perhaps we should just have him make a new user in the command line?
[03:31] <shiroi|yaiba> That'll have a working default config, probably.
[03:31] <pepee> brambleclaw, new theory. brambleclaw are you hacking your brother's computer? :P
[03:31] <pepee> joking
[03:31] <brambleclaw> will my brothers music still be there?
[03:31] <brambleclaw> no
[03:32] <brambleclaw> he gave it to my sister who drowned it then gave it to me
[03:32] <pepee> brambleclaw, yes, it's still there
[03:32] <shiroi|yaiba> brambleclaw: it'll be there in his home directory
[03:32] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:32] <brambleclaw> good
[03:32] <brambleclaw> he'd have a coniption if it died
[03:32] <pepee> shiroi|yaiba, do you know how to select some other DM?
[03:32] <shiroi|yaiba> anyway, I've got things to do, pepee, can you walk him through making a new user?
[03:32] <shiroi|yaiba> It's easier than installing a new dm
[03:33] <brambleclaw> what is a DM?
[03:33] <shiroi|yaiba> I gtg, I'll be back soon.
[03:33] <brambleclaw> thanks
[03:33] <pepee> shiroi|yaiba, see ya
[03:33] <shiroi|yaiba> brambleclaw: Display Manager. It's what lets you log in.
[03:33] <shiroi|yaiba> graphically
[03:33] <brambleclaw> oh ok
[03:33] <brambleclaw> i have never worked with DM's before
[03:34] <brambleclaw> my old computer had kubuntu on it but the hard drive died of old age
[03:34] <pepee> ok
[03:35] <pepee> try this: sudo apt-get install kdm
[03:35] <pepee> in the black screen
[03:35] <brambleclaw> cool
[03:36] <brambleclaw> the package is not available
[03:37] <brambleclaw> no instalation candidate
[03:37] <pepee> try this: sudo apt-get install gdm
[03:38] <brambleclaw> it is already at its newest edition
[03:38] <pepee> type:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:38] <brambleclaw> KDE is one of the DM options in the login screen but it isn't the same as kubuntu
[03:39] <brambleclaw> it doesn't however have a logo
[03:39] <pepee> yeah, kdm is what you can use to log into kde
[03:39] <pepee> brambleclaw, use kdm
[03:39] <brambleclaw> log out and back in with kdm?
[03:40] <pepee> yes
[03:40] <brambleclaw> k
[03:40] <brambleclaw> brb
[03:43] <brambleclaw> pepee ok
[03:44] <pepee> could you log into your account?
[03:44] <brambleclaw> i didn't try. should i?
[03:44] <pepee> yes
[03:45] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:49] <brambleclaw> pepee ok it didn't work'
[03:50] <brambleclaw> um it did however give me a notice when i logged in to the KDE that a program had crashed
[03:50] <pepee> uh :(
[03:50] <pepee> what program?
[03:51] <brambleclaw> it didn't say and then it came up with a popup that  said could not determine the package or source of the package name
[03:51] <brambleclaw> and  some thing about sending a report but that closed as soon as the popup came up
[03:51] <pepee> send the report
[03:52] <brambleclaw> ok brb
[03:52] <pepee> it should give you some number, an ID or a URL. give that number to me
[03:52] <brambleclaw> ok i got to re-log in
[03:52] <pepee> k
[03:54] <shiroi|yaibaaway> you know, it would probably be WAY easier just to make another account...
[03:55] <pepee> yeah,  but I don't know how to make a new acct.
[03:55] <shiroi|yaiba> Oh, it's just sudo adduser username
[03:55] <pepee> ahh, useradd acct
[03:55] <pepee> ok
[03:56] <shiroi|yaiba> hi brambleclaw? news?
[03:56] <brambleclaw> well crap it didn't show u this time
[03:57] <brambleclaw> nope no news
[03:57] <shiroi|yaiba> Okay, let's try to make a new user
[03:57] <brambleclaw> sept my back and neck are deterierating
[03:57] <brambleclaw> ok cool
[03:57] <shiroi|yaiba> Go to the command line, log in as before, and type
[03:57] <shiroi|yaiba> sudo adduser brambleclaw
[03:57] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:57] <shiroi|yaiba> (You can replace brambleclaw with anything you want
[03:57] <shiroi|yaiba> )
[03:58] <brambleclaw> right
[03:58] <shiroi|yaiba> It will prompt you for some info, you can skip everything except for password and real name.
[03:58] <shiroi|yaiba> Oh, and enter the current user's password when it asks you
[03:58] <shiroi|yaiba> Then you will have a new clean user, and you can try logging in with that, which will hopefully work.
[03:58] <shiroi|yaiba> Ok, go ahead.
[03:59] <brambleclaw> ok
[03:59] <brambleclaw> room number?
[03:59] <shiroi|yaiba> Doesn't matter. Skip it
[03:59] <shiroi|yaiba> Leave it empty
[03:59] <brambleclaw> k
[03:59] <shiroi|yaiba> It's from the old UNIX systems where everyone logged into a mainframe.
[04:00] <shiroi|yaiba> So you could find the user.
[04:00] <shiroi|yaiba> Anyway, doesn't matter
[04:00] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:00] <shiroi|yaiba> done?
[04:00] <brambleclaw> so it's all created
[04:00] <brambleclaw> yup
[04:00] <shiroi|yaiba> Okay, now it should be an option in the login screen. If it's not, type it in manually.
[04:00] <brambleclaw> ok brb
[04:00] <shiroi|yaiba> Or you can reboot, it should come up.
[04:01] <brambleclaw> k
[04:01] <nurupo> what ya doing, creating a new user? x)
[04:02] <shiroi|yaiba> He's having problems logging in on one user, but not guest. We guess that the dm config file is corrupted.
[04:02] <shiroi|yaiba> This is probably the fastest and easiest way to get a clean login.
[04:03] <shiroi|yaiba> Hi brambleclaw
[04:03] <brambleclaw> ok done and logged in
[04:03] <shiroi|yaiba> works?
[04:03] <brambleclaw> yeah
[04:03] <shiroi|yaiba> Good.
[04:03] <shiroi|yaiba> Hopefully, this user has sudo.
[04:03] <shiroi|yaiba> Open up a terminal and check.
[04:03] <brambleclaw> k
[04:04] <shiroi|yaiba> try this:
[04:04] <brambleclaw> it seems so
[04:04] <brambleclaw> ok?
[04:04] <shiroi|yaiba> Okay, you're golden.
[04:04] <shiroi|yaiba> You can get into the old users folder at /home/username
[04:04] <shiroi|yaiba> You may need root, if he made it read-protected.
[04:04] <brambleclaw> is there any way to get it set back up as kubuntu?
[04:05] <shiroi|yaiba> Oh, sure.
[04:05] <shiroi|yaiba> You can select kubuntu on the login screen, it should work.
[04:05] <shiroi|yaiba> Try it.
[04:05] <brambleclaw> there is no kubuntu option
[04:05] <shiroi|yaiba> Is there an option called KDE?
[04:05] <brambleclaw> KDE plasma workspace but it's not the same
[04:06] <shiroi|yaiba> KDE is the window manager for Kubuntu
[04:06] <shiroi|yaiba> Do you expect the old version, KDE 3?
[04:06] <brambleclaw> same widget styles and such but the way it functions is all weird
[04:06] <shiroi|yaiba> What exactly is not the same?
[04:06] <shiroi|yaiba> Are you talking about single-click to open folders?
[04:06] <DarthFrog> Kwin is the window manager.  KDE SC is the desktop environment.
[04:07] <shiroi|yaiba> DarthFrog: thanks. Sorry, a bit of confusion
[04:07] <brambleclaw> the way i had it before it was prety close to windows XP
[04:07] <shiroi|yaiba> brambleclaw: what exactly don't you like?
[04:08] <shiroi|yaiba> I may be able to tell you how to set it.
[04:08] <brambleclaw> we i guess it'll wotk but i liked it the way it was
[04:08] <shiroi|yaiba> I expect that your brother set a lot of settings in KDE's config to work as he liked.
[04:08] <shiroi|yaiba> For example, the default is that programs and folders open at single-click, but you can set it to double-click.
[04:09] <brambleclaw> the weird thin is that it logged in as kubuntu but there is no option for it
[04:09] <shiroi|yaiba> What do you mean by "it logged in as kubuntu"?
[04:09] <brambleclaw> here let me log in to KDE so i can give more exact examples
[04:10] <brambleclaw> it gave the kubuntu splash screen it had a KDE application manager
[04:10] <brambleclaw> at the top of which it said kubuntu "version #"
[04:10] <brambleclaw> here 'll brb
[04:14] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:14] <brambleclaw> um the whole desktop is weird looking
[04:15] <shiroi|yaiba> Concrete issues, please.
[04:15] <pepee> configure it
[04:15] <shiroi|yaiba> Okay, I actually have to go again.
[04:15] <pepee> btw take note of that "app crashing" msg
[04:15] <brambleclaw> on the left of the menu bar is the name of the current program that when clicked it zooms out and gives the option to go to a sort of full screen application menu
[04:16] <brambleclaw> it has all the same options as the other menu
[04:16] <shiroi|yaiba> I'll keep an eye on the channel and chime in if I can help, but as pepee says, it's a matter of configuration.
[04:16] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:16] <brambleclaw> :p i've never seen it like this before
[04:16] <shiroi|yaiba> Oh, I think you're using unity...
[04:17] <shiroi|yaiba> Are you sure this is KDE?
[04:17] <brambleclaw> unity?
[04:17] <shiroi|yaiba> Erm... Let's see.
[04:17] <shiroi|yaiba> Is there a taskbar on the bottom?
[04:17] <brambleclaw> yeah the option says KDE and all teh color scheemes and widget scheems are the same as kubuntu
[04:17] <brambleclaw> on the top
[04:18] <shiroi|yaiba> The color and icon schemes can be changed...
[04:18] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:18] <shiroi|yaiba> Is there anything directly on the desktop?
[04:18] <brambleclaw> no
[04:18] <shiroi|yaiba> Are there Plasma widgets?
[04:18] <brambleclaw> there is a button called search and launch
[04:18] <shiroi|yaiba> Hmm...
[04:19] <pepee> hehe
[04:19] <shiroi|yaiba> Okay, truth be told, I've been using gnome only for a couple of months now.
[04:19] <brambleclaw> there is a menu button on the bottom left of the search and launch
[04:19] <brambleclaw> oh ok
[04:19] <shiroi|yaiba> So this is all from memory.
[04:19] <brambleclaw> pepee what?
[04:19] <shiroi|yaiba> Anyway, hopefully pepee can help.
[04:19] <shiroi|yaiba> bye all.
[04:19] <brambleclaw> yeah thanks so much
[04:19] <shiroi|yaibaaway> You are welcome.
[04:19] <pepee> nah, I don't even use kde
[04:19] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:20] <pepee> byw shiroi|yaibaaway , good luck
[04:20] <brambleclaw> oi...
[04:20] <pepee> brambleclaw, funny thing, we don't even know what you are using
[04:20] <brambleclaw> i think i'm gunna get all my bro's stuff off and just reinstall the system
[04:21] <pepee> anyway, lets see if we can fix the other app
[04:21] <brambleclaw> ok?
[04:21] <pepee> brambleclaw, reboot, take note of the message and paste it
[04:21] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:22] <brambleclaw> it's  drop down folder
[04:22] <brambleclaw> executable path
[04:23] <pepee> that's the message?
[04:24] <brambleclaw> "/usr/lib/update-notifier/apt_check.py"
[04:25] <pepee> do this: sudo apt-get -s install --reinstall update-notifier-*
[04:25] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:27] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:28] <brambleclaw> new updates
[04:29] <brambleclaw> installing
[04:30] <brambleclaw> ok what next?
[04:30] <pepee> reboot, and check if you can log into the other account
[04:30] <brambleclaw> ok
[04:30] <brambleclaw> 50% on the updates
[04:30] <pepee> good
[04:32] <brambleclaw> ok brb
[04:37] <brambleclaw> pepee well it didn't work...
[04:38] <pepee> still get error messages?
[04:38] <brambleclaw> no error just a terminal that said "checking batterie state" and then the login screen
[04:39] <pepee> ahh k
[04:39] <pepee> strange
[04:39] <brambleclaw> and i just found out that the stupid dog peed in my chair
[04:39] <brambleclaw> ...
[04:39] <brambleclaw> so i think i'm going to call it a night
[04:39] <brambleclaw> but thanks so much for your help
[04:40] <pepee> you are welcome
[04:40] <brambleclaw> hey now i know how to hack into my other brother's kubuntu computer
[04:40] <brambleclaw> >:)
[04:40] <brambleclaw> LOLZ
[04:40] <pepee> you can change the password easily :P
[04:40] <brambleclaw> no kidding
[04:40] <brambleclaw> :)
[04:41] <brambleclaw> i think i'm gunna try it just for fun
[04:41] <brambleclaw> :)
[04:41] <pepee> hehe
[04:41] <brambleclaw> :)
[04:41] <brambleclaw> well goodnight
[04:41] <pepee> good night
[06:26] <iroh37> Hello. I upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04. When I try to dl packages from from Getdeb in Rekonq i get the error, "Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'apturl %u'." and in Firefox, "Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program." They worked in 11.10. How can this be fixed?
[06:29] <shiroi|yaibaaway> You need to associate either the ubuntu package manager or some other package manager with apt://
[06:31] <shiroi|yaibaaway> or just download the .deb and install with gdebi
[06:31] <iroh37> K. Is there a manual or can you show how? I am smart enough to be dangerous. :)
[06:32] <shiroi|yaibaaway> Link with solution https://getsatisfaction.com/allmyapps/topics/protocol_apt_and_firefox_3_5
[06:35] <iroh37> Thank you, shiroi|yaibaaway. I am using Firefox 12 would that make a differnce. And is this a bug and should it be reported?
[07:27] <moobyFR> Hi
[07:28] <moobyFR> since 12.04, my dual screen configuration works, but applications use them as one large display, it was not the case before
[07:28] <SunTsu> moobyFR: then change KDE's screen config to your liking
[07:29] <moobyFR> it's not really as simple as that :)
[07:29] <moobyFR> kde seems to see that 2 monitors are connected
[07:30] <moobyFR> applications like yakuake only see one large display, but in 11.10, it was aware of two displays
[07:31] <SunTsu> moobyFR: There's two parts to that config. I know, because I configure that every single time my laptop hits it's docking station
[07:43] <Guest77027> anyone can help me to setup arabic keyboard on kubuntu 12.04, please.
[07:44] <Guest77027> i have search on online but it seems interface is changed, i can't see any setting for keyboard on System settings window
[07:47] <neo_> msg@xjiujiu a
[08:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:21] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[08:23] <lordievader> Lol at the netsplit
[08:29] <d-egg> Hi, the review tool in okular does no longer change the cursor when I select a marker. It's always the browsing hand. Does anybody else have that, or know how to change that?
[08:29] <d-egg> Since the 12.04 upgrade
[08:31] <d-egg> I mean the mouse pointer
[08:32] <HelpMeObiWanKubu> Not sure what you mean by marker
[08:32] <HelpMeObiWanKubu> BTW, is it just me or has SMB sharing via the GUI been broken in Kubuntu since 10.10 or so?
[08:33] <HelpMeObiWanKubu> System settings -> Sharing is just a user/pass field in recent versions
[08:34] <d-egg> HelpMeObiWanKubu: the review tool (F6) can be used to color the text. For example with a yellow marker
[08:37] <HelpMeObiWanKubu> I can confirm d-egg's report . . . hand remains
[08:37] <HelpMeObiWanKubu> This is 12.04 live dvd
[08:44] <randers2> Any luck d-egg with the Okular issue?
[08:45] <d-egg> randers2: So far, no luck, I also asked on #okular.
[08:48] <randers2> Anyone ever tried to share a folder by SMB?   I realize samba sucks and all . . . but it oughta work without having to edit smb.conf in the terminal.
[09:42] <eichi_> hello. How can I disable the alert, that a new kubuntu upgrade is available and I should update? I don't need it atm and it comes every several minutes
[09:43] <mydogsnameisrudy> right clik
[09:45] <eichi_> okay, I will try thanks (its just a virtual box installation with a big IDE that is hard to configurate - our project manager does a new with latest IDE and kubuntu in some weeks -thats why I dont need a upgrade now ;) )
[09:45] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya im not upgrading yet
[09:46] <nbca> will gimp 2.8 hit kubuntu mirrors?
[09:47] <mydogsnameisrudy> has no idea about gimp
[09:48]  * mydogsnameisrudy has gone for more coffee
[09:48] <lordievader> nbca: I guess if it doesn't anytime soon you could always compile it yourself.
[09:55] <frogonwheels_> anybody here deal with multiarch?  trying to compile (wine, but anything really) as 32bit. tried echo "int maint(){return 0;}">x.c &&   gcc -m32 x.c   and get skipping incompat /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.6/libgcc.a    - actually I can't find out where to get a i686 version of libgcc.a
[09:55] <frogonwheels_> ie compiling 32bit on  64bit.
[09:56] <frogonwheels_> I'm sure I'm missing a package or 10, but I can't work out which one/s
[10:11] <frogonwheels_> et voila. found it.
[10:12] <frogonwheels_> libc6-dev-i386
[11:08] <jake_> Good morning.
[11:08] <jake_> Does anybody know where I can find good information on which USB reciever works well with Kubuntu 12.04?
[11:11] <SunTsu> jake_: usb receiver for what?
[11:12] <jake_> For my laptop
[11:12] <SunTsu> you want to receive your laptop?
[11:12] <jake_> SunTsu: For my laptop
[11:13] <jake_> SunTsu: GPS reciever sorry
[11:13] <SunTsu> jake_: that was what I needed to know ;)
[11:14] <SunTsu> jake_: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/gpsd#Unterstuetzte-Hardware has a list about hardware known to run with gpsd. The page itself is german, but the list should be clear anyway
[11:15] <jake_> SunTsu:  Thanks for your time.
[11:27] <BluesKaj> hey all
[12:12] <CruX|> hello, which package is always overwriting /etc/motd ?
[12:12] <CruX|> on every reboot
[12:13] <BluesKaj> CruX|, what's in your motd file that get's overwritten?
[12:15] <CruX|> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/5HRwkuNS
[12:17] <BluesKaj> CruX|, yes , mine's exactly the same , so what's supposed to be in that file that you think is being overwritten?
[12:19] <CruX|> BluesKaj: my own messages
[12:20] <CruX|> for example if apt database is updated, this is appended to the end of motd:
[12:20] <CruX|> 29 packages can be updated.
[12:20] <CruX|> 1 update is a security update.
[12:21] <CruX|> another question: in aptitude i can see i386 packages on my amd64 system
[12:21] <CruX|> how can I turn off i386 ? because updating takes too longg
[12:22] <BluesKaj> CruX|, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/en/man1/update-motd.1.html
[12:23] <BluesKaj> some 32 bit packages are installed by default because the 64 bit versions haven't been developed yet , but the arch support package takes care of that for you
[12:23] <BluesKaj> CruX|,^
[12:24] <CruX|> BluesKaj: great thx much!
[12:24] <BluesKaj> np
[12:32] <forgeaus> ugh
[12:32] <forgeaus> how do I get back to normal plasma from the active one?
[12:39] <hateball> forgeaus: open krunner, search for workspace, change to normal
[12:39] <hateball> you may need to restart the session
[12:39] <BluesKaj> flor try ctl+f12
[12:39] <BluesKaj> forgeaus,^
[12:41] <forgeaus> link xmlid hasn't been detected?
[12:43] <forgeaus> everytime I use the keyboard the overgrown (on a desktop) OSK comes up (osk being onscreen keyboard)
[12:43] <forgeaus> lol its ok for an  interface I did install it on purpose
[12:43] <forgeaus> but I should be able to choose to go back!
[12:50] <barnabas02> Hi! How can I disable changing settings in Kubuntu 12.04? I am admin on the system, and I have created a guest account.
[13:07] <eagles0513875_> hey guys :)
[13:07] <eagles0513875_> im on 12.04 32bit on my netbook and the plasma netbook desktop keeps randomly crashing for me and i cannot find the necessary package to install to get a valid backtrace
[13:07] <eagles0513875_> any ideas would be greatly appreciated
[13:15] <eagles0513875_> anyone here :(
[13:16] <yofel_> eagles0513875_: start with kdelibs5-dbg and kde-workspace-dbg
[13:16] <eagles0513875_> yofel: i installed those but ill check again
[13:16]  * eagles0513875_ slides yofel a cup of coffee
[13:17] <yofel> :)
[13:17] <eagles0513875_> yofel: already installed and i dont think i managed to get a valid back trace
[13:17] <eagles0513875_> i will pastebin it if it happens again
[13:18] <yofel> try to let it search for debug packages. otherwise I'm not sure
[13:18] <eagles0513875_> yofel: just happened again ill let you tell me if the backtrace is valid or not
[13:19] <eagles0513875_> have to wait for it to generate
[13:19] <eagles0513875_> yofel: hopefully this weekend ill have some time to finish setting up my environment for packaging :D
[13:22]  * eagles0513875_ taps finger and waits for back trace and starts some small talk with yofel in offtopic
[13:23] <eagles0513875_> yofel:  here is the paste of the back trace it looks like a thread is causing the shell to seg fault http://pastebin.com/wGNmmB6e
[13:26] <eagles0513875_> yofel: whats yoru take on that back trace
[13:26] <yofel> should be plasma_applet_menubar.so, can you install plasma-widget-menubar-dbgsym please and refresh?
[13:27] <eagles0513875_> shouldnt the bug app pull that if its suggesting to install dbg packages
[13:27] <eagles0513875_> all it suggested was the first 2 packages you mentioned
[13:27] <yofel> oh, you probably don't have the dbgsym repos enabled. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[13:28] <eagles0513875_> which repo do i need to enable
[13:28] <ilyak> hi *
[13:29] <ilyak> I've installed a fresh Pedobear and my umask is 002
[13:29] <eagles0513875_> O_O
[13:29] <ilyak> Why is it 002? Where's the best way to tune that?
[13:29] <ilyak> Because dupload and umask 002 do not work very well together
[13:30] <yofel> Ubuntu changed the default to 002 a while ago. You can put 'umask 022' in your ~/.profile I think
[13:30] <eagles0513875_> yofel: question whats ddebs
[13:31] <ilyak> yofel: But is it the Way To Go?
[13:32] <ilyak> because for one thing I have /etc/login.defs:UMASK           022
[13:32] <ilyak> Why is it there if it doesn't work?
[13:32] <yofel> eagles0513875_: .deb with debug symbols. Not sure why they changed the file ending
[13:32] <ilyak> Oh, it's not for the user
[13:32] <ilyak> It's for new users' dirs
[13:32] <ilyak> okay, I'll put it in my .zshrc
[13:32] <eagles0513875_> yofel: can i add those repos to the main sources.list file?
[13:33] <yofel> sure
[13:34] <eagles0513875_> yofel: im very lost as to what the link you gave me is trying to have me do
[13:34] <eagles0513875_> what are the repos that i need to add?
[13:34] <yofel> sec
[13:35] <yofel> eagles0513875_: add what you need from these: http://paste.kde.org/467966
[13:35] <eagles0513875_> yofel: whats the difference between the standard main universe and restricted and these?
[13:35] <eagles0513875_> and tbh i dunno what out of those three that i need
[13:36] <eagles0513875_> put them all
[13:36] <yofel> will work
[13:36] <yofel> eagles0513875_: difference is just that those debs are kept on a different server, so only difference is the URL
[13:36] <eagles0513875_> ok
[13:41] <eagles0513875_> yofel: regenrating the backtrace
[13:47] <eagles0513875_> yofel: here is the new back trace http://pastebin.com/7dYsfuGK
[13:48] <eagles0513875_> yofel: doesnt look like much else has changed compared to the previous back trace i paste binned
[13:49] <yofel> the missing calls in Thread1 are gone.
[13:49] <yofel> hm
[13:49] <eagles0513875_> yofel: i still have no plasma shell
[13:49] <eagles0513875_> it will restart the shell ones then crash again and i have no shell at all
[13:49] <yofel> eagles0513875_: I would try to get an empty shell running, remove the menubar applet, and see if that work
[13:49] <yofel> *works
[13:49] <yofel> if yes file a bug against plasma-widget-menubar with that backtrace
[13:50] <eagles0513875_> it was workign fine there were some updates yesterday
[13:50] <eagles0513875_> and i installed those and somethign there is causing the issue
[13:50] <eagles0513875_> prior to those updates i had no crashes what so ever
[13:53] <yofel> eagles0513875_: you can check in your apt history what those updates were (/var/log/apt/history.log). I would look for something related to Qt or dbus
[13:53] <yofel> need to go for now.
[13:55] <eagles0513875_> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/964689/ nothing related to plasma at all on the updates from yesterday
[13:57] <eagles0513875_> hey ikonia
[13:57] <roland> hi. I updated  to 12.04 and now I'm having some problems...  tftp server is not working correctly anymore, when I try to get a file, I get an error "no such file"
[13:58] <roland> and I have no idea where to start looking
[14:00] <eagles0513875_> roland: logs would be a good place to start
[14:02] <roland> eagles0513875_: which one of those?
[14:03] <eagles0513875_> syslog or tftp server could do its own logging
[14:04] <FlyingFoX> The kde notification center does not play any sounds when i press the play button of a notificatian that has a sound enabled. any ideas how to check whats going wrong?
[14:08] <roland> eagles0513875_: i don't think it logs anythin
[14:10] <eagles0513875_> syslog might i dunno i usually use sftp as it only requires ssh server and your good to go :(
[14:24] <natman> does anyone know what the story is with the next release of Kubuntu, will they still follow the 6 months as ubuntu? will they change the name?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> natman, that's still to be decided ...still very early days
[14:25] <eagles0513875_> :-/
[14:26] <drostie> Canonical hasn't made a big stink about it yet though, so if laziness prevails they won't change the name. :P
[14:26] <natman> BluesKaj: hope they dont change much, really like ubuntu, wish i could support kubuntu, but they dont have a merchandise shop
[14:27] <drostie> I'm really excited about the next releases already, though. :D
[14:28] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: do you have a moment I am having an issue which is starting to get on my nerves but even with the appropriate debug packages dont seem to get a very useful back trace :(
[14:28] <natman> drostie: can you pronounce the name :P
[14:28] <drostie> koo-boon-too.
[14:28] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: I'm sorry, I don't. I'm busy
[14:28] <natman> drostie: ha the name of ubuntu 12.10 i mean
[14:28] <eagles0513875_> no worries ikonia
[14:29] <drostie> they couldn't choose quetzacoatl. :<
[14:30] <drostie> *quetzalcoatl
[14:30]  * eagles0513875_ need to figure out why the plasma netbook shell is crashing for me
[14:31] <drostie> But yes, I work in quantum physics, so kwan-tal ket-zal is not too hard. :P
[14:31] <eagles0513875_> O_O
[14:31] <eagles0513875_> offtopic much for this channel lol
[14:31] <eagles0513875_> any of you guys running kubuntu on a netbook
[14:31] <drostie> fair enough.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> FYI , http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-to-be-sponsored-by-blue-systems
[14:32] <drostie> no. convertible tablet. :<
[14:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: why don't you log a bug ?
[14:33] <ikonia> rather than sitting in an IRC channel waiting for someone to spoonfeed you the answer
[14:33] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: what i find odd though is that it only happend after some updates yesterday but none of the updates are related to plasma though
[14:33] <ikonia> so log a bug
[14:33] <drostie> BluesKaj: the most depressing thing about that though is: http://blue-systems.com/
[14:33] <eagles0513875_> o_o
[14:34] <drostie> Canonical at least appears to sell something. :P
[14:34] <eagles0513875_> LOL
[14:35] <drostie> But we're free from Canonical! we could now do something crazy like, I dunno, KubuntuBSD!
[14:36] <maco> not using the name "kubuntu" we can't :P
[14:36] <maco> canonical owns the trademark on anything that ends in buntu
[14:36] <drostie> KuBSD then? :P
[14:37] <drostie> KDEBSDWTFBBQ.
[14:37] <eagles0513875_> im guessing the future of kubuntu rests on UDS im guessing
[14:37] <eagles0513875_> the outcome
[14:37] <maco> the Kubuntu Members have voted on preferred new names, and the Kubuntu Council will make the decision
[14:38] <maco> (make, not announce, due to tie breaking being needed)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> oh my ... where's the thunder and lightning
[14:43] <maco> cyber4: having issues?
[15:02] <mah454> Hello
[15:02] <mah454> what version ok KDE have in kubuntu 12.04 ?
[15:02] <mah454> what version of KDE have in kubuntu 12.04 ?
[15:03] <forgeaus> version?
[15:04] <lordievader> KDE 4.8.2 runs here
[15:04] <forgeaus> precise pangolin?
[15:04] <alkisg> Hi, I press ctrl+shift+v in order to paste something to konsole, but klipper is displayed instead. And when I select an entry from the klipper menu, nothing happens... some help?
[15:06] <alkisg> In other words, pasting to konsole with the right click menu works fine, but the shortcut mentioned there (ctrl+shift+v) doesn't work as it displays the klipper menu instead
[15:07] <eagles0513875> alkisg: its ctrl+shift+v to paste on konsole
[15:07] <alkisg> eagles0513875: yes that's exactly what I'm trying but it displays the klipper menu instead
[15:08] <alkisg> (12.04 if it matters)
[15:08] <eagles0513875> alkisg: yep same here
[15:09] <alkisg> Btw the ancient shift+insert shortcut works fine
[15:09] <whodare> alkisg: that means ctrl+shift+v is also set as an global shortcut for klipper, and it takes precendence of the shortcut of konsole.
[15:09] <eagles0513875> alkisg: both methods work for me
[15:09] <alkisg> whodare: wouldn't that be a bug though, as the konsole shortcut doesn't work?
[15:09] <alkisg> Or do you mean it's my local setting, and not affecting everyone?
[15:10] <alkisg> (I had precise since months, maybe some wrong settings were applied during the upgrade paths)
[15:10]  * alkisg tests with a new user account...
[15:11] <alkisg> eagles0513875: which kubuntu version do you have?
[15:11] <eagles0513875> 12.04 i upgraded during the RC stage
[15:11] <alkisg> Ty, hmm....
[15:12] <alkisg> OK it works fine in the other account
[15:12] <alkisg> So it's a local setting, thanks, I'll figure out how to delete it
[15:16] <alkisg> ~/.kde/share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc: [klipper] show-on-mouse-pos=Ctrl+Shift+V,none,Open Klipper under mouse position
[15:16] <alkisg> No idea how that got there :)
[15:19] <alkisg> Deleted that file and got "none" instead of "ctrl+shift+v" there, everything OK now, thanks again
[15:26] <BluesKaj> what happened to the ~/.asoundrc file in 12.04 ? /etc/asoundrc.conf doesn't exist either
[15:29] <mc404> is here any russians?
[15:34] <randers2> Since 10.10, sharing an NTFS volume by SMB (via Dolphin or otherwise) has not worked in Kubuntu by any means I have discovered.  Anyone have any thoughts?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> randers2, I'm accessing W7 shares just fine , are you using smb ?
[15:51] <randers2> BluesKaj, I am attempting to share an NTFS volume mounted in Kubuntu so that it can be accessed via SMB from other devices (an Ubuntu machine, an Android phone, etc.).  I can, from Kubuntu, easily get to the easily-configured SMB shares on my Ubuntu box.
[15:51] <randers2> This has been the deal-breaker from me adopting Kubuntu on more machines.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> randers2, why not try to share the volume directly rather than thru kubuntu , try to access from the client side
[15:56] <randers2> BluesKaj, the NTFS volume is in the same machine with the Kubuntu installation.  It is, in this case, merely a separate partition, but on my old work computer running Kubuntu I had the same issue with separate volumes.
[15:57] <randers2> I've tested it with 10.10, 11.04, 11.10, and 12.04 and get the same results . . . 10.04 was the last time it worked, IIRC.
[15:57] <randers2> And that's on multiple computers, installed or via LiveCD in different cases.
[15:58] <BluesKaj> randers2, have you considered not using ntfs , or is that a work restriction ?
[16:00] <randers2> At work, not to mention for personal needs, it is a necessity to have a partition accessible either via Windows or Linux.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> if the volume was an ext then you could use ssh or NFS from one linux pc to another or all other linux machines
[16:09] <BluesKaj> randers2, I suppose you've tried ntfs-config ?
[16:11] <randers2> On the work machine I did, but not on this laptop.  I am re-attempting now.
[16:18] <randers2> BluesKaj, still no joy from other PCs.   Ironically, though, some of the old deleted shares that are still showing up on an Android device seem to be working.   But from Ubuntu I cannot see any shares at all now, nor will Dolphin on Kubuntu allow me to make a share that persists after I close Dolphin.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> from the ubuntu machine you should be able to setup ssh or NFS , randers2 since your accessing a kubuntu pc which is serving the files from an ntfs volume , right ?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> randers2,^
[16:27] <randers2> Perhaps I could, but that would not solve the problem . . . merely work around it.  Windows machines would still be unable to access.   There's even a Wii that I use for accessing SMB shares which would presumably fail to function.
[16:27] <randers2> Nor can I now remove the mystery ghost shares that the Android device is still able to access, which is just weird.
[16:28] <randers2> They aren't in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:30] <BluesKaj> dophin places?
[16:33] <randers2> SMB restart solved the mystery ghost shares
[16:33] <rosario7> ciao
[16:33] <rosario7> !list
[16:34] <rosario7> ciao
[16:34] <rosario7> !lsit
[16:34] <rosario7> come si fa ad aprire la lista?????
[16:35] <BluesKaj> !it | rosario7
[16:35] <randers2> With NTFS-config installed, I cannot make shares that are visible at all from the Ubuntu machine
[16:35] <BluesKaj> randers2, linux to linux should work
[16:39] <randers2> I may be having luck right now using sudo dolphin and sharing as root.   Which is odd, but potentially usable.  Will continue to test.
[16:41] <randers2> Better yet, I'll try from the 12.04 LiveCD and see if I can repeat it . . . a process to enable genuine SMB activity would suffice, even if Kubuntu's a little broken and won't do it out of the box.
[16:42] <randers2> Thank you for your suggestions!
[16:43] <serge_> hi guys i have trouble with fonts in google earth (kubuntu 12.04)
[16:43] <serge_> mayby you can help me
[16:49] <sunsetlover_> hey all
[16:50] <sunsetlover_> any one can help me with deepin software center ?
[16:50] <sunsetlover_> after i installed it , i tried to launch it but it ask for password
[16:52] <BluesKaj> sunsetlover_, deepin software center ?
[16:53] <sunsetlover_> BluesKaj, yes
[16:53] <Combatjuan> If I launch a program with alt-f2, where does its stdout and stderr go?  /dev/null?  Somewhere else?
[16:54] <Combatjuan> .xsession-errrors?
[16:59] <Combatjuan> It looks like it is .xsession-errors.  Hmmm...  Is there a way for me to instead have it piped to a scriped that prepends the pid and a tab to each line of the output so I know which messages came from what?
[16:59] <ilyak> For some reason in some recent kde version multimedia keys were broken
[16:59] <BluesKaj> deepin software center , sunsetlover_ , never heard of it ...muon software center on kubuntu
[16:59] <ilyak> in 8.04 my calculator button launched kcalc
[16:59] <ilyak> in 10.04 it did
[16:59] <ilyak> in 12.04 it doesn't
[17:00] <ilyak> neither it does at my home - different distro, different keyboard, no cigar
[17:01] <sunsetlover_> BluesKaj, it is another app like muon but contains more collection of apps, check it out via google
[17:02] <BluesKaj> sunsetlover_, well if it's not a default app in the repos then you can't expect ppl here to know much about it
[17:03] <sunsetlover_> you will find it in muon package manager
[17:04] <Fanfare> Hi @ all: In plasma active my task previews are gone... How to check in plasma active for desktop effects?
[17:05] <Oxymoron> Hi, I wondering Ktorrent supports magnet links. But still I do not get any magnet links to work in Ktorrent on latest release?
[17:08] <guest12345> Does anybody know of a good video on demand server for a webcam I could install?  I set one up with vlc, but vlc constantly transcodes the webcam video and I only want it to transcode when somebody is connected.  I also tried ffserver/av server, but they are really buggy... any suggestions?
[17:08] <eagles0513875> hey guys is there a way i can turn off my trackpad in 12.04 the shortcut on my keyboard used to work in 11.10 and now its no longer working :( and there is nothing in settings to where i can disable my track pad :(
[17:09] <BluesKaj> sunsetlover_, that's a gtk app , I don't use muon due it's bugginess and I don't even see it in synaptic
[17:10] <sunsetlover_> ok  thank you man
[17:10] <BluesKaj> sunsetlover_, and the reason you see it in muon is because you have it installed
[17:12] <sunsetlover_> maybe, whatever forget it, i will uninstall it and forgot to use it
[17:12] <Oxymoron> Cannot find any useful info how to fix it in Kubuntu, to make Kotrrent open magnet links. Ktorrent opens when run magnet link, BUT KGet locks the start process and nothing is done in the Ktorrent with the magnet link. Cannot really find any useful bugfix for this either, not what google provide anyway. Does anyone been able to solve it?
[17:13] <ilyak> in kubuntu update center tries to run gksudo
[17:14] <ilyak> of course it's not there
[17:14] <ilyak> so it fails
[17:14] <ilyak> happens when installing ms core fonts
[17:14] <eagles0513875> ilyak: use kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:14] <eagles0513875> that would install all that stuff java flash etc
[17:14] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, the magnetic link in ktorrent is real buggy , I switched to qBittorrent for that very reason
[17:15] <eagles0513875> hell BluesKaj install wine and use utorrent
[17:15] <ilyak> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/corefonts/andale32.exe responds 500
[17:15] <eagles0513875> utorrent works like a charm in wine
[17:15] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, nope
[17:15] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Alright :)
[17:15] <eagles0513875> ilyak: how are you trying to install them
[17:15] <eagles0513875> via gui or command line usually i always install via command line
[17:16] <eagles0513875> anyone know a solution to my issue about not being able to disable my track pad with keyboard shortcut or via system settings
[17:16] <eagles0513875> im on the kde netbook desktop version
[17:16] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, I've tried utorrent in wine and i greee it works well, but I have no reason to use it since my client works fine
[17:16] <ilyak> transmission is nice
[17:17] <ilyak> especially gtk frontend
[17:17] <ilyak> so no reason to dick around with wine
[17:17] <ilyak> eagles0513875: thanks for the hint
[17:17] <eagles0513875> ilyak: command line is so much better
[17:17] <ilyak> I'm trying the packege, ttf-mscorefonts-installer, which then fails 'cause SF responds 500
[17:17] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm trying to stay away from windows apps , hence I don't have wine installed
[17:17] <eagles0513875> ilyak: i know we are spoiled for GUI's but i prefer command line
[17:18] <ilyak> eagles0513875: Do you really use lynx?
[17:18] <eagles0513875> ilyak: no
[17:18] <eagles0513875> what is it anyway
[17:18] <eagles0513875> lol does that answer your question
[17:22] <Fanfare> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19956 gave qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin org.kde.KWin.toggleCompositing, which works.
[17:31] <KarmaComa> i'm on Kubuntu 12.04 and i turned off Screen Energy Saving through Power Management, but still the monitor goes off after a while, any ideas please?
[17:40] <abhishek_> Hi, i installed kubuntu 12.04 on my laptop . But I cant find muon package manager anywhere .. Please help
[17:46] <eagles0513875> !muon
[17:46] <eagles0513875> abhishek_: ^
[17:47] <sunsetlover_> abhishek, you will find it under system
[17:47] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: in my opinion (whatever it's worth) you would be better off forgetting about muon, and installing/using synaptic
[17:48] <abhishek_> JMichaelX : how do i install synaptic ?
[17:49] <lordievader> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[17:49] <orated_> BlaXpirit:
[17:49] <ghabit> Hello. I'm looking for easy and gui DLNA server. Help me please ^)
[17:49] <orated_> er, sorry.
[17:49] <giantpune> hi, im looking for information about "repairing" a broken kubuntu installation.  when i installed it, i placed /home on a separate hard drive than everything else.  today that HDD with /home has failed.  does anybody know how i can replace just that HDD and get all the default stuff there without having to reinstall the entire OS?
[17:50] <abhishek_> lordievader : Sorry bad question to ask .. Im installing synaptic
[17:51] <JMichaelX> giantpune: you would need to format that drive to a linux file system, then add that drive to your fstab
[17:51] <lordievader> abhishek_: Yes? Run "sudo apt-get install synaptic" in a terminal/konsole
[17:51] <DarthFrog> giantpune: Yes.
[17:52] <giantpune> JMichaelX, the kubuntu installer creates a bunch of default files and folders in your home folder.  will it be smart enough to start up with all those missing?
[17:52] <abhishek_> lordievader : I knew that, I just said it was a bad question to ask u how to install :D
[17:52] <BlaXpirit> giantpune, it's okay
[17:53] <JMichaelX> giantpune: you will need to do some of this without KDE.... one you have your drive formatted, and added to /etc/fstab, KDE will re-create the files it needs
[17:53] <lordievader> abhishek_: Do you have a terminal open?
[17:53] <DarthFrog> giantpune:  Copy /etc/skel to your new home directory.
[17:53] <JMichaelX> once*
[17:53] <abhishek_> lordievader : I installed it
[17:53] <JMichaelX> giantpune: do you have a linux live CD?
[17:53] <giantpune> not the new one.  but i know how to DL and burn it
[17:54] <DarthFrog> giantpune: There's 3 hidden files in /etc/skel you need in your home directory.
[17:54] <lordievader> abhishek_: Oke, good
[17:54] <JMichaelX> giantpune: it does not matter if it's old.... as long as it is not more than a few years old. you can use such a live CD to format your external drive.
[17:56] <JMichaelX> giantpune: you will also need this command, to get your new HD's UUID: 'sudo blkid'
[17:56] <JMichaelX> you will need that UUID when you add an entry for that drive in /etc/fstab
[17:57] <abhishek_> lordievader : How do i give su privileges to synaptics ?
[17:57] <giantpune> ok, let me drag this laptop across the house and start the process
[17:57] <lordievader> abhishek_: In kubunutu it is "kdesu synaptic"
[17:58] <JMichaelX> giantpune: your entry should look like something like this: UUID=1234567890  /home    ext4    defaults        0       2
[17:58] <orated_> Hello! Which file/folder stores configuration about panels in ~/.kde ?
[17:59] <abhishek_> lordievader : is there a command ?
[18:00] <JMichaelX> synaptic should just ask for your password upon being launched
[18:00] <abhishek_> lordievader : says kdesu command not found
[18:01] <orated_> abhishek_: Try kdesudo synaptic in Terminal
[18:01] <BluesKaj> or you could do the all no passsword command in the sudoers file :)
[18:02] <JMichaelX> why would synaptic not just ask for his password when it's launched?
[18:02]  * JMichaelX shakes his finger @ BluesKaj
[18:03] <lordievader> abhishek_: It could be the kdesudo command, not sure, it used to be kdesu...
[18:03] <abhishek_> orated_ : thanx got it .. but cant I get the su access if I run it from the desktop search ?
[18:03] <abhishek_> lordievader : it was kdesudo
[18:04] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: like i said... just launch it. it will ask for your password.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> for guis like synaptic one has to use kdesudo
[18:05] <JMichaelX> wtf.... why is he being instructed to launch synaptic from the command line?
[18:05] <JMichaelX> (wtf = what total folly)
[18:05] <JMichaelX> :-D
[18:05] <BluesKaj> abhishek_, have you tried alt+f2 , kdesudo synaptic
[18:05]  * JMichaelX sigh
[18:05] <abhishek_> no, the password is not being being asked when launced from GUI
[18:06] <JMichaelX> then my question would be, WHY is it not asking for your password
[18:06] <BluesKaj> bet there's another package manager open , maybe muon or apt-get ?
[18:06] <abhishek_> BluesKaj : now it asked for password
[18:07] <BluesKaj> ok good
[18:07] <abhishek_> BluesKaj : should I be doing this everytime ?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> package managers need root permissions because they use the dpkg system to install remove or purge packages , hence the pw
[18:08] <BluesKaj> !sudoers
[18:09] <abhishek_> but should I be using the same method to launch it always ?
[18:09] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: it should ask you password, every time
[18:09] <orated_> !sudo
[18:10] <JMichaelX> there *should* be no need to launch it from the command line, unless your user is not in the sudoers file
[18:10] <abhishek_> i know i know , I am just clarifying if this is the only way (alt+F2 , kdesudo synaptic ) to launch it ..
[18:10] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: i am answering that!
[18:10] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: the answer should be NO
[18:11] <abhishek_> I am one of the sudoers
[18:11] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: then alt+f2 etc etc should be completely unnecessary
[18:12] <JMichaelX> just launch it from the menu
[18:12] <abhishek_> then it wont ask me for password and I wont have the privilege to install packages
[18:13] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: i am not sure what the deal is then. i always install synaptic, and it always asks for my password.
[18:14] <orated_> As far as I remember synaptic in Kubuntu when run directly from menu does run without administrative privileges. Did you try Muon instead abhishek_?
[18:14] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: you could try logging out, then back in.
[18:14] <JMichaelX> orated_: i have never seen that
[18:14] <abhishek_> JMichaelX : il try thank you
[18:14] <abhishek_> orated_ : I cant find muon at all
[18:15] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: even if you type 'muon' in the search bar?
[18:15] <abhishek_> JMichaelX : yeah I cant find it
[18:15] <orated_> then <sudo apt-get install muon>
[18:15] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: you did a fresh installation?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> abhishek_, despite objections by some , one can edit the sudoers file and remove the need for pws if you feel scure enough in your computing environment to do so ...if you need some help with it . just ask
[18:17] <JMichaelX> BluesKaj: my question is why you are recommending this, when the question should be why synaptic is not asking for his password
[18:17] <BluesKaj> gotta run som errands for a few mins ...BBL
[18:18] <BluesKaj> that's odd , I thought it wouldn't launch
[18:18] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:18] <JMichaelX> BluesKaj: yea, i think it's launching
[18:18] <JMichaelX> ok
[18:19] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: are you logged back in?
[18:20] <abhishek_> yes
[18:21] <JMichaelX> hopefully it will ask for your password now....
[18:21] <abhishek_> i dint :(
[18:21] <abhishek_> it*
[18:22] <JMichaelX> did you do a fresh installation?
[18:22] <abhishek_> yes
[18:22] <orated_> Strange
[18:23] <abhishek_> of synaptic ?
[18:23] <orated_> Strange that you couldn't muon after fresh installation of Kubuntu 12.04
[18:23] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: just out of curiosity, what do you get if you enter 'which muon' in a terminal?
[18:23] <orated_> couldn't find*
[18:23] <abhishek_> i dint get anything
[18:24] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: i think your installation was somehow flawed
[18:24] <abhishek_> damn !
[18:24] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: don't panic
[18:24] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: please run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[18:26] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: tell us if it wants to install a bunch of packages
[18:26] <abhishek_> yeah il do that
[18:28] <orated_> JMichaelX: For reference, this is what I've noticed when running synaptic without sudo - http://i.imgur.com/uDMsY.png
[18:29] <abhishek_> yeah im getting the same thing too
[18:29] <Phoenixz> Anybody knows anything about some current Ubuntu bug that makes multiple computers loose network on GNome / KDE level? Network can be configured manually on command line, but in KDE / GNome its basically dead... ? Since yesterda I have multiple computers showing this very same problem, all independantly..
[18:29] <JMichaelX> orated_: did you launch it from the menu, or command line?
[18:30] <JMichaelX> Phoenixz: do they all use the same wireless chipset?
[18:30] <Phoenixz> Have this happen on multiple computers, both Ubuntu and Kubuntu, from different people.. All since yesterday night / this morning..
[18:30] <orated_> Well, I prefer muon over synaptic in Kubuntu. I would ask you abhishek_ to try what JMichaelX suggested
[18:30] <abhishek_> menu
[18:30] <Phoenixz> JMichaelX: No.. One was my laptop (yesterday night) and the other 3 are all desktops
[18:30] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: i was asking orated_
[18:31] <abhishek_> JMichaelX  : it asked me to install packages of 88 MB
[18:31] <orated_> JMichaelX: I ran it <synaptic> from Terminal. If you see in KMenu edit option for application, even there you would see its just <synaptic> for Command.
[18:32] <JMichaelX> orated_: i have kubuntu installed on 6 machines (between work and home), and it's been that way for several years... and i have never seen that behavior
[18:32] <Phoenixz> JMichaelX: lspci gives 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82578DC Gigabit Network Connection (rev 06) on this desktop
[18:32] <abhishek_> and i can see muon there in the packages suggested :)
[18:32] <JMichaelX> abhishek_: go ahead and install all of that
[18:32] <abhishek_> yeah
[18:32] <JMichaelX> Phoenixz: how about the other machines?
[18:32] <orated_> JMichaelX: Well, I rarely use syaptic or muon for that matter. I just mentioned that since I've noticed that behavior before.
[18:33] <orated_> abhishek_: Try reinstalling system or as JMichaelX suggests
[18:33] <JMichaelX> orated_: i am just curious as to why that would be
[18:33] <BluesKaj> abhishek_, if you ran synaptic in the terminal previously , make sure the terminal is closed if you run it from the krunner or the kmenu
[18:34] <abhishek_> ok
[18:35] <orated_> Any idea which file/folder stores configuration about panels in ~/.kde ?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> abhishek_, a terminal can be open , but you can't have synaptic open from it
[18:37] <abhishek_> JMichaelX : YIppee ! Got muon back !
[18:37] <abhishek_> yeah i know thanks
[18:37] <BluesKaj> muon ..good luck
[18:39] <rapidsp> orated_: may be /home/karen/.kde/share/config/kwinrulesrc ?
[18:40] <rapidsp> heh...
[18:40] <rapidsp> may be ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrulesrc ?
[18:40] <rapidsp> :)
[18:42] <orated_> rapidsp: Thanks
[18:42] <rapidsp> and plasma-desktop*
[18:42] <JMichaelX> i think i must be using a kubuntu installation from a parallel dimension
[18:43] <JMichaelX> somehow  the two (or more) dimensions are managing to intersect on freenode
[18:45] <rapidsp> dolphine search is very nice :)
[18:45] <danielo> hey everybody
[18:46] <danielo> do You know how to restore kde file picker for firefox in new kubuntu?
[18:46] <danielo> cause that gnome one is so ugly and unpractical
[18:47] <mokush> any idea where I could get the source for the `current application control` and `window menubar` plasmoids?
[18:48] <JMichaelX> mokush: source for all libre software should be in the repos
[18:49] <mokush> JMichaelX: I couldn't find the actual packages for these plasmoids in the repos
[18:49] <JMichaelX> mokush: hmmm
[18:50] <JMichaelX> mokush: are you wanting packages, or source code?
[18:52] <Phoenixz> All machines are custom built, all hardware is different, making this problem rather scary..
[18:53] <mokush> JMichaelX: I'm looking for the source
[18:54] <JMichaelX> Phoenixz: if the same thing is happening, using a variety of wireless chipsets, it makes me wonder whether or not you may be having an issue with your access point
[18:56] <faLUCE> hi, I can't hear audio anymore, on 11.10. From what can I start in order to solve?
[18:56] <faLUCE> I unmuted everything in alsamixer
[18:57] <JMichaelX> faLUCE: there is no sound at all? if you try to play a media file with vlc, what happens?
[18:58] <JMichaelX> mokush: i would think it would just be a matter of determining which package contains the plasma widgets you are wanting to deal with, then downloading the source for that package from one of the src repos
[18:58] <giantpune> JMichaelX, it didnt work :(
[18:58] <JMichaelX> giantpune: what are you seeing?
[19:00] <giantpune> i created the new partition on the new HDD and gave it the correct permissions and whatnot.  then i copied the files from /ect/skel, then blkid and copied the new uuid into fstab in place of the old one.  and now it doesnt boot at all
[19:02] <JMichaelX> giantpune: does KDM come up?
[19:04] <JMichaelX> giantpune: are you sure you copied in the correct UUID?
[19:04] <giantpune> yes.  i copy/pasted it
[19:04] <giantpune> theres no kdm that shows up
[19:05] <JMichaelX> giantpune: you have to be sure that it was for exactly the correct partition, and that you have correctly specified the file system being used
[19:05] <JMichaelX> giantpune: how did you partition and format the new drive?
[19:05] <giantpune> yes.  i checked it a few times
[19:06] <giantpune> ext4 partition belonging to root.  then in that partition, i created a folder with my user name and chmod it to my name and group
[19:07] <giantpune> i guess im just gonna have to bite the bullet and reinstall the whole OS.
[19:07] <JMichaelX> giantpune: i am not sure this will solve anything, but you may want to use 'chown -R /home/user'
[19:09] <JMichaelX> giantpune: and you should not need to reboot all the time (maybe you know this)... if you are booted into a terminal, you should be able to use 'mount -a'.... if your fstab entry is correct, it should mount. if it mounts, then it *should* auto-mount, when you next reboot
[19:09] <giantpune> thats what i did
[19:09] <JMichaelX> does 'mount' work?
[19:10] <giantpune> "sudo mount -a" worked.  i saw programs starting to create new folders and files in my new /home partition.
[19:10] <giantpune> then when i turned it off and back on, kdm doesnt even come up
[19:11] <JMichaelX> giantpune: i don't know what to say. if ownership is correct, and your fstab entry is correct, it should work. you may also want to double-check boot order in your BIOS
[19:16] <giantpune> nope, my bios still has it booting from the SSD which contained everything except /home
[19:16] <JMichaelX> giantpune: also.... was a directory created for your user?
[19:16] <giantpune> i created that directory myself
[19:17] <JMichaelX>  /home/user is where the /etcskell file should have been copied to
[19:17] <JMichaelX>  /etc/skell*
[19:17] <JMichaelX> ok
[19:18] <giantpune> that wasnt a file.  it was a folder with the defaulte .bashrc files inside it.  and then i copied those 3 files to the folder i created
[19:18] <JMichaelX> giantpune: i'm at a loss... but i imagine there is just one or two minor details that are amiss
[19:18] <JMichaelX> yes, i meant to type files, plural
[19:19] <giantpune> i got the 12.04 DVD downloading on my laptop.  i expect it will be faster to reinstall from that and then install all the stuff i want from the package manager and setup my nfs again rather than trying to fix the installation and hope i didnt forget some small detail
[19:20] <JMichaelX> giantpune: that could be
[19:21] <JMichaelX> i add drives to machines, both physical and virtual, on a semi-regular basis... i may be forgetting to inform you of some important step somewhere
[19:22] <JMichaelX> giantpune: i'd be curious what would happen ,if you would boot to terminal, and add a new user
[19:22] <JMichaelX> but... i have to leave
[19:24] <JMichaelX> giantpune: wish i could have been of more help.... maybe there is someone here who could guide you better than i did
[19:24] <JMichaelX> adios!
[19:24] <giantpune> ok, thanks for the ideas
[19:28] <sunsetlover> hey guys, how can i install my ipod on Kubuntu to manage the music and pictures on it
[19:32] <BluesKaj> !curl
[19:32] <BluesKaj> !info curl
[19:48] <BluesKaj> !ipod | sunsetlover
[19:52] <eagles0513875> yofel: i have another issue i am trying to disable my track bad cuz i have a usb mouse and keyboard shortcut doesnt work and in system settings there is no way to disable it
[19:57] <yofel> eagles0513875: not sure, you can turn it off with synclient from konsole, but I can't remember how exactly the command hast to look like
[19:57] <eagles0513875> yofel: sry bout that damn randomly quitting channels
[19:58] <yofel> [21:57:02] <yofel> eagles0513875: not sure, you can turn it off with synclient from konsole, but I can't remember how exactly the command hast to look like
[19:58]  * JMichael|work growls at google for their pathetically slow repo
[19:58] <eagles0513875> yofel: havent tried
[19:58] <eagles0513875> didnt even know there was a command
[20:41] <Cerealklr> Hi all. I just upgraded to 12.04. Mostly smooth sailing, but there's a weird repaint issue with Konsole. When given transparency, it assumes it, but every time a notifcation pops up or focus changes, transparency is halved. Moving the Konsole window restores transparency. Lather, rinse, repeat. An hour of googling shows no results. Any ideas of what I can do to debug this?
[20:42] <Cerealklr> If its relevant, I'm x64, running oxygen-transparent built on 11.10 (with no other issues to report)
[22:05] <schultza> how do i set my background image?
[22:05] <avpx> schultza: Right-click desktop, click "Settings"
[22:06] <schultza> right click is not working
[22:06] <schultza> i installed kubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu install
[22:06] <schultza> also, using plasma desktop version
[22:06] <avpx> You can set it from the "System Settings" application.
[22:08] <Cerealklr> Hi all, I think I'm having an issue with oxygen-transparent. It was built on 11.10, and functioned flawlessly. I've since upgraded to 12.04 today, and found there to be some pretty weird repaint issues, particularly with Konsole. Can anyone confirm this before I figure out how to remove and recompile it?
[22:16] <schultza> still not finding it
[22:17] <schultza> i guess ill try another environment