[02:36] <gfom> I'm reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upgrades and see that I should do sudo aptitude install update-manager-core, then sudo do-release-upgrade.  I do this, and get told No new release found.  How do I get a lucid lubuntu up to precise lubuntu?
[02:37] <Unit193> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[02:37] <Unit193> Because you're going from LTS to LTS, it'd have to have -d until 12.04.1 came along.
[02:38] <gfom> What's the -d ?  I just started something else with apt, so I can't run this yet
[02:38] <gfom> Ahh
[02:38] <gfom> And how would I get package updates for a box that won't be online?
[02:41] <Unit193> Well, there's offline apt.
[02:42] <PsyCl0ne> Good evening everyone. The other day I upgraded my lubuntu install from 10.04 to the latest 12.04 but have since lost sound. I have taken a look at my alsamixer but there are no sliders that I haven't unmuted or maxed out. Would any one else have an idea of what I could try next?
[02:42] <Unit193> gfom: Check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script.
[02:43] <Unit193> !aptoncd
[02:45] <Unit193> PsyCl0ne: I for some reason hate sound issues, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ALSA#Troubleshooting may help, as may...
[02:45] <Unit193> !sound
[02:45] <PsyCl0ne> Unit193: Thank you. I will take a look through those.
[02:47] <gfom> PsyCl0ne, have you got the pulse mixer?  There's a choice between headphone and something else (I'm not at my laptop now and can't say for sure) that if you're on the wrong one, no sound.
[02:48] <gfom> PsyCl0ne, I'm also finding that things don't stay put after a reboot
[02:48] <PsyCl0ne> gfom: You know what, I don't know...
[02:49] <PsyCl0ne> gfom: pulsemixer should bring it up in terminal right?
[02:49] <Unit193> !infno pavucontrol
[02:49] <Unit193> !info pavucontrol
[02:50] <craigbass1976> PsyCl0ne, Hey, it's gfom but I'm at my laptop...  In the output devices, you can have speakers or headphones selected.
[02:51] <PsyCl0ne> actually guys I dont have a sound preference option
[02:51] <craigbass1976> I wrote this: http://www.doopensource.com/applications/stream-audio-with-ubuntu/ and couldn't get it figured out with alsa and the regular volume control app.
[02:54] <gfom> FAH!  I hate how ubuntu always comes with vi, not vim.  Always takes me a minute to realize why stuff won't work...
[03:14] <rolandb> hey everytime i try to drag items from the archive manager to my home folder, lubuntu straight hangs after giving me a permissions error?
[03:20] <yimalot> I'm running 12.04 64 live-usb started up extremely slow, but seems to run fine after complete boot, how's it running on full install? anybody
[03:33] <mi3> hello!
[03:34] <Unit193> rolandb: You sure everything is set as the correct owner? And file-roller?
[03:37] <mi3> hello!
[03:37] <Unit193> !ask | mi3
[03:37] <mi3> I am not asking anything, Unit193
[03:38] <mi3> I did not know that ubottu was on this channel also
[03:38] <Unit193> Ah, well you said "Hello!" a few times so I thought you were.  Yep, had her for a little now, before we just had ubot5
[03:39] <mi3> oooo
[03:39] <mi3> so, Unit193 , are you friends with kanliot ?
[03:40] <Unit193> Not exactly, but I know him as well as well as can be expected on IRC/mailing list.
[03:40] <mi3> ooo, kanliot asked me if I could help the lubuntu team in the wikis......
[03:42] <Unit193> Want to chat in -offtopic?
[03:42] <mi3> sure
[03:53] <rolandb> Unit193, apparently this is a "known pcmanfm bug" according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/925142
[03:54] <Unit193> I have a handy .bashrc that permits me to say   ex archive.ext
[05:07] <anna> hey guys
[05:07] <Guest48984> i got a question about lubuntu
[05:08] <kanliot> k
[05:08] <bioterror> !ask | Guest48984
[05:09] <Guest48984> ok, then, i was on wubi selecting which ubuntu to install, and i wanted to install lubuntu, but on the website i read: only for 18 months, or sth like this. what does it mean?
[05:10] <Guest48984> i last chatted on mIRC around 1997, i don't even remember how to do this :D
[05:10] <kanliot> hmm
[05:10] <kanliot> its hard to explain
[05:10] <kanliot> you know warantees
[05:10] <kanliot> like 1 year warantee
[05:10] <Guest48984> well, i know what they mean, more or less
[05:10] <Guest48984> yes,, ok
[05:10] <kanliot> it's like an 18 month waranty
[05:11] <kanliot> so in 18 months we won't accept bugs reports for old lubuntus
[05:11] <kanliot> warranty
[05:11] <Guest48984> okok, i thought it was gonna stop working after 18 months :D
[05:11] <Guest48984> i see now, thanks a lot kanliot :D
[05:12] <kanliot> btw
[05:12] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu#Releases
[05:12] <kanliot> what kind of pc do you have?  how much ram
[05:12] <kanliot> etc
[05:12] <mi3> kanliot, !!!!
[05:12] <Guest48984> ehm i have a lousy pc
[05:12] <kanliot> ok
[05:12] <Guest48984> thats why i was planning on installing the lighter version
[05:12] <kanliot> just wondering
[05:12] <kanliot> i've never used wubi
[05:12] <Guest48984> also because which ubuntu 11.10 after a while it stopped being fluid
[05:12] <mi3> come to offtopic channel now!
[05:13] <Guest48984> with*
[05:14] <Guest48984> everything was jumpy and slow all of a sudden, so i am hoping to solve it by installing the lighter possible option
[05:14] <Guest48984> excuse my english, is 7 am here
[05:14] <kanliot> ever consider dual booting?
[05:15] <kanliot> but then I am just against wubi
[05:15] <Guest48984> ahaha kanliot you are writing to the queen of lamers, i dont even know what that is
[05:15] <kanliot> okok
[05:15] <Guest48984> i am your average winzoz user, man
[05:15] <kanliot> well keep it in mind
[05:15] <Guest48984> ok i'll ak my expert friend in torino, he always helps me understanding this stuff.
[05:15] <Guest48984> ask*
[05:16] <Guest48984> thanks again kanliot, your answers were very much appreciated
[05:18] <kanliot> ok
[05:18] <kanliot> please come back guest90234234234
[05:18] <kanliot> :)
[05:19] <Guest48984> ahahhaha is that me?? no, huh?
[05:19] <Guest48984> well anyway cheers from berlin
[05:20] <mi3> hi, Guest48984
[05:20] <Guest48984> ping timeout! connection reset by peer also exists????
[05:20] <Guest48984> nostalgia time <3
[05:20] <Guest48984> hi mi3
[05:23] <Guest48984> k ciao belli, off to wubi now
[06:03] <Kalidarn> 4
[06:04] <Unit193> 3
[06:44] <dove_g> morning ppl, anyone maybe know where are stored icons from panel on application panel, for one icon (Radiotray app) it show "no icon" as icon, red crossed circle, tnx
[09:04] <toscho> hi
[09:04] <kanliot> hi
[09:06] <toscho> how can I change the keybord configurations, so ctrl-alt-backspace kills the xserver, pressing the power button opens the shutdown dialog and the next-page/previous-page are mapped to pos1 and end?
[09:08] <kanliot> donno
[09:08] <kanliot> you might ask on the mailing list
[09:08] <bioterror> y u want to kill X !
[09:09] <kanliot> sup bio
[09:09] <kanliot> i just learned how to tab expand nicks
[09:09] <kanliot> bioterror,
[09:10] <bioterror> I'm trying to remember where that configuration went
[09:10] <bioterror> about killing X
[09:11] <kanliot> there is a way to kill x
[09:11] <kanliot> it's just differnt keys
[09:11] <kanliot> how often do you need to do it
[09:11] <kanliot> anyhow
[09:11] <ChesterX> hey guys, after i installed ibus to tipe chinese all my deadkey (^,´,`, etc...) got killed. is there a way of keeping ibus active and still enable them?
[09:11] <bioterror> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
[09:11] <bioterror> Section "InputClass"
[09:11] <bioterror> Option                 "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
[09:14] <toscho> thx
[09:15] <bioterror> also
[09:15] <bioterror> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
[09:15] <toscho> there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[09:15] <bioterror> do you have xorg.conf then?
[09:15] <toscho> yes
[09:15] <bioterror> then add it there
[09:16] <toscho> Section "InputClass"
[09:16] <toscho>     Identifier             "Keyboard Defaults"
[09:16] <toscho>     MatchIsKeyboard	   "yes"
[09:16] <toscho>     Option	           "XkbOption" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
[09:16] <toscho> EndSection
[09:24] <mi3> hello
[10:27] <gordonjcp> urgfh
[10:27] <gordonjcp> jackd is just as broken in lubuntu as "normal" ubuntu
[10:51] <dove_g> aynone using opera?
[10:51] <dove_g> it freezes every few minutes for 10-30 seconds
[11:00] <kanliot> running youtube dove_g
[11:00] <kanliot> ?
[11:01] <dove_g> nope, anything i use, it freezes
[11:01] <dove_g> play.google.com
[11:01] <dove_g> etc...
[11:01] <dove_g> i have try 11.62, 11.61, 11.60 the same thing
[11:02] <kanliot> whats play.google.com?
[11:02] <dove_g> if i use 11.5x then it is impoosible to import and use old config (emails)
[11:02] <dove_g> android apps
[11:02] <kanliot> you might delete your cookies and stuff
[11:02] <kanliot> and profile and all that
[11:03] <kanliot> but that's justa  guess
[11:03] <kanliot> and bookmarks
[11:04] <dove_g> i will try
[11:04] <dove_g> tnx
[12:07] <DrunkOn> My update notifier says my updates are outdated, even though it's been updated regularly? Anyone know a fix?
[12:08] <bioterror> open terminal
[12:08] <DrunkOn> Yeah.
[12:08] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:08] <DrunkOn> Okay, I think I've already tried this, but I'll try again.
[12:09] <DrunkOn> Hasn't worked.
[12:09] <bioterror> why not?
[12:09] <bioterror> !pastebin | DrunkOn
[12:10] <bioterror> pastebin the output
[12:13] <toscho> hi, one of my lxpanels takes very long to appear after startup
[12:14] <bioterror> toscho, why?
[12:14] <toscho> don't know
[12:14] <bioterror> what does that panel doo?
[12:15] <toscho> it has taskbar, pager, volume control, systray, clock and an application launch bar holding a link to shutdown
[12:18] <bioterror> it's that basic lxpanel?
[12:18] <bioterror> default one
[12:19] <toscho> i don't know, which of my 2 panels is the default one. but probably it's that one
[12:19] <bioterror> what that another panel does?
[12:19] <toscho> a menu, some application launch bars and spacers
[12:20] <bioterror> and how much is "very long" to appear?
[12:20] <bioterror> 20 seconds?
[12:20] <toscho> less
[12:20] <toscho> 10 seconds maybe
[12:21] <bioterror> I'll add this case into file named "1st world problems"
[12:21] <toscho> that means, 10 seconds after the first one appears
[12:21] <toscho> but before 12.04 that problem did not exist
[12:22] <bioterror> if you kill the panel
[12:22] <bioterror> and you open it from terminal
[12:22] <bioterror> again
[12:22] <bioterror> does it take that long too?
[12:22] <toscho> sudo killall lxpanel?
[12:22] <bioterror> you dont need to sudo it
[12:23] <toscho> restart via lxpanel?
[12:23] <bioterror> killall lxpanel
[12:23] <bioterror> and run from terminal command: lxpanel
[12:24] <toscho> nearinstantaneous, but not my lxpanel. it seems to be the default lxpanel (if i recall it correctly)
[12:24] <bioterror> oh well wait
[12:24] <bioterror> kill it with -C
[12:24] <bioterror> lxpanel -p Lubuntu
[12:26] <toscho> nearinstantaneous and the correct one, but of course not a daemon (so dies when term is killed)
[12:27] <bioterror> ofcourse
[12:27] <bioterror> so it has something to do with the "boot"
[12:28] <toscho> yes
[12:37] <DrunkOn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/964555/
[12:38] <DrunkOn> Epson responsible for the error?
[12:38] <bioterror> yes
[12:39] <bioterror> the signature does not match
[12:41] <DrunkOn> And Ubuntu Extras?
[12:42] <bioterror> yes
[12:44] <DrunkOn> I added this key: BADSIG 16126D3A3E5C1192 Ubuntu Extras Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> to see if I could fix the bug, and it's caused its own problem. How can I remove it?
[12:57] <DrunkOn> I seem to have fixed the problem.
[12:57] <DrunkOn> http://askubuntu.com/questions/76741/errors-running-apt-get-update-after-upgrading-to-11-10
[14:48] <Andriy8691> hello
[14:48] <Andriy8691> can i ask something?
[14:48] <mi3> no
[14:49] <Andriy8691> i need to know how to auto mount 2 drives on boot
[14:50] <Andriy8691> im using lubuntu 12.04
[14:51] <Andriy8691> trying with pysdm
[14:52] <phillw> Andriy8691: edit your /etc/fstab --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[14:54] <Andriy8691> there's any fstab editor gui?
[14:55] <gordonjcp> uhm
[14:55] <gordonjcp> how exactly would that differ from any other editor?
[14:56] <Andriy8691> found
[14:56] <Andriy8691> well, thanks.
[14:57] <bioterror> mi3, oh behave!
[15:12] <mi3> hi guys, I am getting high cpu usage while watching movies in gnome player and vlc player
[15:12] <mi3> any suggestions?
[15:12] <bioterror> Thu17:48 <mi3> no
[15:13] <mi3> what is it, bioterror ??
[15:13] <bioterror> that's how you responded to someone asking help
[15:13] <KM0201> lol
[15:13] <mi3> bioterror, sorry for that hehe
[15:13] <mi3> was just kidding hahahaha
[15:13] <KM0201> mi3: is it just a specific file type, or any video file?
[15:14] <mi3> KM0201, any video file
[15:14] <KM0201> weird.
[15:15] <mi3> the cpu usage jumps directly to 95-100% for no reason!
[15:15] <mi3> I have tried both the players, KM0201
[15:16] <KM0201> i believe you, i just have no logical explanation.. what CPU?
[15:16] <mi3> cpu usage!
[15:16] <KM0201> ..
[15:16] <KM0201> "what CPU".. in other words, how many mhz, intel/amd?
[15:17] <mi3> oo, Intel Pentium 4 HT 3.1 GHz
[15:17] <KM0201> hmm,well, that should be plenty
[15:17] <mi3> it is, never had this problem, while I used ubuntu
[15:18] <KM0201> mi3: does the CPU use go back to "normal" when you close the video file?
[15:19] <mi3> KM0201, I found something interesting, when playing videos with low quality,
[15:20] <ChesterX> hello everyone, does one of you know how to change the default soundcard in 12.04? thanks :-)
[15:20] <mi3> the cpu usage is normal
[15:20] <mi3> the case is only with high res videos I think
[15:22] <mi3> KM0201, are you there
[15:23] <KM0201> well.. wha thappens if you play "regular" resolution videos?
[15:23] <mi3> it runs perfectly, the cpu usage is between 30-35
[15:25] <rico_> all my applications closed somehow I dont know
[15:26] <mi3> sorry, wrong nick hehe
[15:26] <mi3> KM0201, so, can you figure it out?
[15:27] <KM0201> if i could figure it out, i'd offer a suggestion.. it's obviously something to do w/ the hi-res videos... i just have no idea what
[15:27] <mi3> ok...
[15:27] <mi3> maybe I will download normal res videos, for now
[15:28] <mi3> thats the best option  I guess, till this bug is resolved...
[15:28] <mi3> bye, and thank you!
[15:28] <KM0201> try to file a bug report.
[15:28] <mi3> ok
[15:28] <mi3> bye!
[16:16] <Khmerog> hi
[16:17] <Khmerog> i had lubunut installed then i installed joliOS along with it..now my system doesnt load up..it says something about Grub
[16:18] <bioterror> you broke grub
[16:19] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling_GRUB2 Yep, sounds like it.
[16:19] <bioterror> I recommend: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:40] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[16:40] <kristian-aalborg> how safe is it to go all 12.04?
[16:46] <Unit193> Works for me™
[16:46] <Unit193> I didn't have huge issues going from 11.10 to 12.04.
[16:48] <Khmerog> hi
[16:48] <kristian-aalborg> my menu panel died today
[16:58] <pcroque> kristian-aalborg: I had several problems with lxpanel locking-up. Finally gave up and switched to tint2.
[16:58] <kristian-aalborg> hurm
[16:59] <kristian-aalborg> it's weird, last time I had gnome on that box the panel died also
[16:59] <kristian-aalborg> maybe it's some kind of curse...
[17:01] <pcroque> Did you check launchpad? I remember there were several crash/lockup bugs related to lxpanel.
[17:02] <pcroque> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel
[17:04] <kristian-aalborg> hurm
[17:04] <kristian-aalborg> but, this should not happen in "stable" versions of distros...?
[17:07] <Khmerog> i get a error: out of disk. grub rescue>   screen when i try to load lubuntu
[17:12] <bioterror> Khmerog, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair try to repair
[17:14] <Khmerog> bioterror are you familiar with boot repair? what if i cant even get onto lubuntu to install bootrepair?
[17:14] <bioterror> Khmerog, you do it with live environment
[17:18] <Khmerog> are u busy bio terror?
[17:18] <bioterror> watching kids atm.
[17:18] <bioterror> just put them in bed and making sure they fall asleep
[17:19] <bioterror> we have a tought competition, which one snores first
[17:19] <phillw> Khmerog: have a read through http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5 it should have enough pointers for you to guide you on your way.
[17:19] <bioterror> atm. both keeps moving noises and keeps farting
[17:20] <Khmerog> ill give it a try phillw
[17:30] <Khmerog> linux OS is very good but the terminal and "sude" blah blah is very complictaed for new users
[17:31] <Khmerog> ill just format my my hard drive physically then reinstall everything
[17:31] <smile> Khmerog: good idea :)
[17:31] <Khmerog> lol
[17:32] <Khmerog> but next time ill install Boot-Repair or bootrepair should be already installed
[17:32] <phillw> Khmerog: that's why they are set up as copy and paste where ever possible, Some times it is not possible.
[17:35] <phillw> Khmerog: how did you do the install?
[17:40] <phillw> There are a couple of 'hits' for your error, such as http://askubuntu.com/questions/18531/error-out-of-disk-grub-rescue although http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/newbie/182235-ubuntu-installation-error-hd0-out-disk-grub-rescue.html does suggest your way as a clean way of clearing things :)
[17:43] <phillw> Khmerog: one thing... Do ensure you run the self test on the CD / usb stick before you re-try.
[17:44] <bioterror> life is too short for performing self tests for installation medias ,)
[17:45] <phillw> bioterror: life is tooooooooooo short to have a corrupted install media & end up in the land of the 'funnies' :D
[17:51] <bioterror> better make perfect installation at once
[17:53] <vociferous666> anybody feel like helping me a bit?
[17:53] <vociferous666> im trying to setup multiseatx on Lubuntu 12.04
[17:53] <vociferous666> trying to generate xorg.conf and none of the current methods work.
[17:54] <vociferous666> i need to edit xorg.conf as part of the MultiseatX setup
[17:54] <Unit193> !xorgconf
[17:55] <vociferous666> im using a sandybridge gpu so ill try the first link?
[17:56] <vociferous666> this is on an i3 with the HD3000 gpu
[17:56] <vociferous666> know anything about generating xorg njin?
[17:57] <njin> what you need ?
[17:57] <Unit193> Not really nice to do that, and the bot had what you need.
[17:58] <vociferous666> it doesnt work
[17:58] <njin> where ?
[17:59] <vociferous666> lol srys
[17:59] <njin> precise or quantal ?
[17:59] <vociferous666> sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm stop
[17:59] <vociferous666> precise
[17:59] <vociferous666> trying to generate xorg.conf and none of the current methods work.
[17:59] <vociferous666> ive tried these commands:
[17:59] <bioterror> sudo service lightdm stop
[17:59] <bioterror> sudo Xorg -configure
[18:00] <vociferous666> yea that didnt work
[18:00] <bioterror> sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:00] <vociferous666> im doing this all over ssh and teamviewer
[18:00] <njin> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[18:00] <vociferous666> all of it.
[18:00] <vociferous666> get a Number of Screens does not match number of detected evices
[18:01] <vociferous666> i get what seems to be a very generic xorg file in my home directory
[18:01] <njin> AFAIK xorg.conf is generated any times it boot
[18:01] <vociferous666> yea but i need to specify configuration for each screen. this is a media server with two seats.
[18:02] <vociferous666> multiseatx
[18:02] <vociferous666> forgot to tell that bit again.
[18:02] <vociferous666> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX
[18:03] <vociferous666> the documentation is using a Sandybridge gpu AND a Radeon
[18:07] <njin> sorry dunno
[18:08] <vociferous666> is there any way to know if the generated xorg is being used?
[18:09] <vociferous666> oh well. so hows norway this time of year?
[18:09] <rumpelstilzchen> look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:09] <vociferous666> ok thx
[18:11] <rumpelstilzchen> could anyone help me getting my suspend key to work? I need to press Fn+F3 but xev doesn't recognize it while showkey does
[18:11] <rumpelstilzchen> media keys work too
[18:11] <vociferous666> what system you on? sounds like an HP?
[18:12] <rumpelstilzchen> yes
[18:12] <vociferous666> which series?
[18:12] <rumpelstilzchen> hp dm3-1008eg
[18:12] <vociferous666> also, what version of Lubuntu and did you dist-upgrade from an old one?
[18:12] <rumpelstilzchen> I did a clean install of 12.04
[18:13] <vociferous666> excellent
[18:16] <vociferous666> i havent used it on a laptop yet, but what happens when you hit the suspend key? also, what happens when yo hit the power button?
[18:18] <rumpelstilzchen> unfortunately I can't answer your question regarding the power button because it broke
[18:19] <bioterror> vociferous666, those can be configured
[18:19] <rumpelstilzchen> when I hit suspend (Fn+F3) nothing happens at all
[18:19] <vociferous666> aw man that sux.
[18:19] <rumpelstilzchen> it was this slider thing and now I have to fiddle around in the opening with a thin object to turn on the notebook
[18:20] <vociferous666> look through these and try to configure your keys:
[18:21] <vociferous666> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting
[18:21] <vociferous666> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaKeys
[18:26] <vociferous666> i think this one is the same as one of the above links http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27039
[18:33] <vociferous666> my xorg.0.log is giving me alot of info. thanks for the help guys. it seems xorg is using my config file.
[19:14] <milen8204> Hello, anyone had upgraded to 12.04 ?
[19:15] <Unit193> Yep.
[19:15] <Unit193> I'm even one of them.
[19:18] <milen8204> any one have problems whit Lubuntu 12.04
[19:21] <bloodred> I do. My suspend key doesn't work :/
[19:21] <bloodred> even after I set everything up with keytouch
[19:32] <bloodred> I take that back
[19:33] <bloodred> well, not completely
[19:34] <bloodred> the key is now recognized by xev correctly and mapped to XF86Sleep
[19:54] <sunshine_> Hi, the button of the brightness for lubuntu , where is?
[19:57] <faLUCE> hi, I can't hear audio anymore, on 11.10. From what can I start in order to solve?
[19:59] <sunshine_> faluce do you have some button for the brightness in your lubuntu?
[19:59] <faLUCE> sunshine_: I don't know
[20:00] <faLUCE> sunshine_: yes, fn+arrow
[20:00] <sunshine_> what is the key fn ?
[20:01] <sunshine_> which is the key fn?
[20:01] <faLUCE> Fn (near ctrl)
[20:01] <sunshine_> ok
[20:01] <faLUCE> near ctrl and alt
[20:02] <Batshua> A friend of mine has an IBM ThinkPad T40. Will it be able to run Lubuntu?
[20:03] <sunshine_> fn + arrow dont work in my lubuntu
[20:03] <gordonjcp> Batshua: probably, have you tried?
[20:04] <faLUCE> sunshine_: how can I solve the audio problem?
[20:04] <Batshua> I was going to download a disc image and burn it?
[20:04] <gordonjcp> Batshua: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T40 <- one of those?
[20:04] <bioterror> Batshua, I have T42, it runs but it's not enjoyable
[20:04] <Batshua> Yes, one of those.
[20:04] <gordonjcp> Batshua: it'll run "normal" Ubuntu, never mind Lubuntu
[20:05] <bioterror> what? :D
[20:05] <Batshua> Will Lubuntu suck less?
[20:05] <Batshua> 'Cause I don't want his first linux experience to be "god, my computer is so slow"
[20:05] <Batshua> I figure that's a bad plan.
[20:06] <bioterror> Batshua, it will be slow
[20:06] <bioterror> when you change workspace, cpu usage lifts up to 100%
[20:06] <Batshua> Okay.
[20:06] <sunshine_> faluce you could install alsa audio drivers or plugins from lubuntu software or apt
[20:06] <bioterror> I have 1.7GHz and 1.5GB of RAM
[20:06] <bioterror> so I would not run vanilla buntu on that one
[20:07] <bioterror> I mostly use this Windows 7 laptop instead of that and wonder where could I get a new better lappy :D
[20:07]  * Batshua nods.
[20:07] <Batshua> Lubuntu it is, then. I was thinking Xubuntu, but I hear Lubuntu is better for old computers.
[20:08] <faLUCE> sunshine_: apt-get what?
[20:08] <sunshine_> i need a pluging for the brightness in lubuntu? is possible?
[20:09] <sunshine_> i need a button for the brightness
[20:09] <Batshua> Thanks, guys!
[20:10] <Batshua> (If anyone is good with xorg.conf files and likes puzzles, drop me a line.)
[20:11] <sunshine_> faluce you can search alsa audio from the software center of lubuntu or from apt manager of lubuntu
[20:12] <sunshine_> or something similiar osd audio alsa audio .....
[20:13] <gordonjcp> I'm running "normal" Ubuntu on a 1.8GHz Celeron M with 1G of RAM
[20:13] <gordonjcp> it's perfectly usable
[20:14] <gordonjcp> I tried out Lubuntu but it's completely pointless on low-end hardware
[20:14] <gordonjcp> since anything with a new enough CPU to handle i686 will be fine with normal Ubuntu
[20:15] <Unit193> Mhmm, then you use it and be happy.
[20:15] <sunshine_> is there some user of lubuntu with a plugin or button for the brightness installed in lubuntu?
[20:15] <gordonjcp> sunshine_: ah, that's why I stopped using it on my laptop ;-)
[20:16] <gordonjcp> as soon as the screen saver kicks in, it turns the backlight right down with no way to turn it up
[20:16] <sunshine_> fn + arrow dont work in my lubuntu
[20:17] <bioterror> sunshine_, your hardware is?
[20:17] <gordonjcp> what Lubuntu really needs is i586 builds
[20:17] <sunshine_> intel centrino duo
[20:17] <gordonjcp> or for that matter i486
[20:17] <gordonjcp> because that would rock on embedded x86 hardware that lacks cmove
[20:18] <SomeoneWhoIsntMe> i have the same brightness problems. couldnt really solve it, but have the same ones in ubuntu, too. i always change the brightness back with xbacklight
[20:18] <bioterror> then use slackware
[20:18] <bioterror> they have i486
[20:18] <bioterror> "hello 90's"
[20:19] <sunshine_> xbacklight dont work in my lubuntu
[20:19] <bioterror> on your lubuntu or on your laptop
[20:19] <bioterror> tell us brand and model
[20:19] <bioterror> would help a little bit more
[20:20] <sunshine_> intel centrino duo
[20:20] <sunshine_> hp
[20:22] <gordonjcp> bioterror: what have the 90s got to do with it?
[20:23] <sunshine_> is there more plugins for the panel of lxde in lubuntu with a brightness button for install?
[20:24] <bioterror> well, one is crying after some old i486 kernels, and dual core cpu's are already garbage for most of the people
[20:24] <gordonjcp> dual core *is* garbage
[20:24] <gordonjcp> way too power-hungry
[20:25] <gordonjcp> bioterror: I'm currently looking at OS options for a board which uses a CPU that is basically a 1.6GHz Pentium III, running around 700mW
[20:25] <gordonjcp> *flat out*
[20:25] <gordonjcp> doesn't even have a heatsink, never mind a fan
[20:25] <gordonjcp> well it's got a daft wee black aluminium plate glued n
[20:25] <gordonjcp> *on
[20:25] <bioterror> my atom 330 box only has fan in the psu
[20:26] <bioterror> it will probably eat less power and has more power when needed
[20:26] <gordonjcp> it's possible
[20:26] <gordonjcp> bioterror: the whole board draws around 1.5W
[20:27] <gordonjcp> but that's peak, it's usually below 1W
[20:27] <bioterror> you have a wattage meter reading the usage?
[20:28] <sunshine_> could i make a plugin for the brightness with only copy and paste a text of comands for lubuntu?
[20:28] <gordonjcp> bioterror: yes
[20:28] <gordonjcp> bioterror: actually, I'm using a digital sillyscope with a current shunt
[20:28] <bioterror> well, the fastest tualatin is 1.4GHz
[20:28] <gordonjcp> so I can see exactly how the current draw fluctuates
[20:29] <bioterror> is your cpu over clocked then?
[20:29] <gordonjcp> this is some weirdass chinese name that I'm not going to attempt to transliterate
[20:29] <gordonjcp> no, it's running at its spec
[20:30] <gordonjcp> it's not a "PC" type processor, it's SoC
[20:30] <sunshine_> why lubuntu hasnt a pluging for the brightness like gnome or xubuntu ?
[20:31] <Unit193> sunshine_: xbacklight didn't work? Did you look at the config in xfce4-power-manager-settings?
[20:31] <bioterror> gordonjcp, it's not pentium III either, as the fastest Tualatin is 1.4GHz
[20:32] <bioterror> gordonjcp, jpeg or I dont believe you
[20:32] <sunshine_> xfce4 power the last version for lubuntu hasnt a brightness control
[20:33] <Unit193> So install xbacklight and see if it works, and xfce4-power-manager-settings is installed by default.
[20:34] <sunshine_> my machine is a hp and xbacklight dont work with hp , i think it
[20:35] <Unit193> Alright, and the other option was xfce4-power-manager-settings, did that have whatever you were looking for?
[20:37] <sunshine_> xfce4-power-manager-settings in my lubuntu 12.04 hasnt this option for the brightness
[20:37] <gordonjcp> bioterror: remind me tomorrow when I'm at work
[20:37] <gordonjcp> sunshine_: which hp?
[20:38] <sunshine_> hp dv9000
[20:42] <sunshine_> a expert maybe build a brightness plugin for lubuntu, please.
[20:42] <gordonjcp> that's rather newer than my nc4200 ;-)
[20:43] <gordonjcp> I need to spend some money on a new laptop instead of buying dev boards
[20:44] <bioterror> sunshine_, fn+f7 does not rise the brightness?
[20:45] <sunshine_> bioterro ok work fine
[20:45] <sunshine_> bioterror
[20:46] <sunshine_> i dont know it
[20:46] <bioterror> sorry, F8 is up
[20:46] <bioterror> and F7 is down ;)
[20:46] <sunshine_> ok perfet
[20:46] <bioterror> does it work?
[20:47] <sunshine_> yes and very well
[20:47] <bioterror> good
[20:47] <bioterror> another happy camper
[20:47] <sunshine_> bu although was difficult know it for me
[20:48] <sunshine_> bioterror thank you
[20:48] <sunshine_> bye
[22:48] <Celltech> uname -r shows me on 3.2.0-24... Can I 'remove' -23 safely>
[22:48] <Celltech> ?
[22:57] <MrChrisDruif> Celltech; if -24 is running without problems, then yes. But it's always a good idea to have a good functioning kernel for back up
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> Celltech; I'm working on a newer version of this page, but it should help you along for now: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels
[23:28] <rolandb> guys, is there a way to make the filemanager run with root privs?
[23:28] <Unit193> Tools > Open Current Folder as Root.
[23:28] <Unit193> Or, gksudo pcmanfm
[23:29] <rolandb> ah very handy ty
[23:30] <Unit193> Yeppers.
[23:38] <chorgox> good night everyone, I just installed again ubuntu 12.04 and i want to have lubuntu
[23:38] <chorgox> that would work ?? sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[23:38] <chorgox> or i need other steps ?
[23:41] <Unit193> !purelxde
[23:46] <chorgox> of course i forgot about the psycho cats .. thanks
[23:47] <chorgox> lxde is the really lightweight one right ?
[23:47] <Unit193> Rather, yep.
[23:47] <chorgox> i can of like the unity but is not good for netbooks
[23:48] <chorgox> too slow and to be hones the old 10.04 netbook desktop was great .. i don't know why they stop doing that