[04:17] <physically_fit> why is this channel up? i thought you closed this channel after the official release.
[04:19] <ajmitch> quantal is open for development
[04:20] <physically_fit> what a weird name
[04:21] <ajmitch> they're all weird names :)
[04:21] <physically_fit> ajmitch, have you seen Drive, the movie? is it too violent? or sexist?
[04:21] <ajmitch> no I haven't
[04:21] <physically_fit> ok
[04:24] <bazhang> physically_fit, thats not on topic here...
[04:24] <physically_fit> bazhang, i thought everybody was sleeping so i relaxed a bit
[04:25] <bazhang> physically_fit, thats not the way it works. there is a chat channel : #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:25] <physically_fit> no one has replied to me there
[04:26] <bazhang> physically_fit, so be patient. that does not make this the random chat channel
[04:27] <physically_fit> random rhinoceros
[04:27] <bazhang> ?
[04:27] <physically_fit> after qantal quetzal
[04:27] <physically_fit> is that a good name?
[04:28] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat physically_fit
[06:11] <snadge> is memtest86 option supposed to be on the livecd?
[06:11] <snadge> or has that been removed for 12.04.. im not sure, i used LiLi from windows to create the usb boot image
[06:11] <snadge> so im wondering if thats why
[06:24] <Fyodorovna> snadge, 12.04 is on #ubuntu now are you tapping the shift at power on to get the early gui the memtetst should be there
[06:25] <snadge> this is from the live usb
[06:26] <snadge> written with lili
[06:26] <snadge> you have 3 options.. try ubuntu.. install ubuntu.. and check cd for defects
[06:26] <snadge> i might be tripping .. but i recall earlier versions of ubuntu giving you the option to run memtest from the installation media
[06:26] <Fyodorovna> snadge, we have to have gthis conversation on #ubuntu
[06:26] <Fyodorovna> s/this
[06:27] <snadge> well lets pretend its the next version ;)
[06:27] <snadge> is there a next version yet? i'll install that and use it instead.. just to avoid having to go in #ubuntu
[06:28] <vega-> how about reading the channel topic ...
[06:28] <snadge> ok i guess "will be" gives a clue towards that answer
[06:29] <snadge> no need to be snarky about it
[06:29] <vega-> most likely it is not installable yet
[06:30] <snadge> yeah i can see quantal
[06:31] <snadge> its tempting
[06:32] <snadge> perhaps the topic should say "is" instead of "will be"
[06:33] <snadge> not that anyone reads topics.. unless they
[06:33] <snadge> oops.. have just joined the channel
[06:33] <AlanBell> snadge: well it isn't 12.10 yet, it is Quantal Quetzal
[06:34] <AlanBell> it will be 12.10 when it is released
[06:34] <AlanBell> I wonder if wayland will be close to useable for Quantal
[06:35] <snadge> probably not
[06:36] <AlanBell> why?
[06:36] <snadge> too new.. something like Xorg doesn't get replaced terribly easily
[06:36] <snadge> its taken years to get where it is
[06:36] <AlanBell> I am sure xorg will still be there by default
[06:36] <snadge> if wayland has good X11 compatibility
[06:36] <AlanBell> weston kinda works right now
[06:36] <snadge> then it might be useable
[06:37] <AlanBell> just need the gtk build to have the wayland backend flag turned on
[06:37] <snadge> remote desktop is also kind of important for me
[06:37] <snadge> so it needs something like nx, at the very least.. vnc
[06:37] <AlanBell> sure, but if it just runs GTK applications that would be interesting
[06:37] <AlanBell> and unity
[06:40] <AlanBell> I am running the GTK compiled from the PPA with the wayland backend turned on, but I can't get applications to run in weston right now
[10:44] <snadge> i might install quantal in a vm
[11:00] <ior3k> anyone else having problems with some settings not being activated? (font size, icon theme)
[12:17] <bmoez> hi, if i want ot post some ideas (only some opinions) about what do i think ubuntu 12.10 should have, where to post?
[12:22] <rye> bmoez: i suppose here - http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[12:25] <bmoez> rye: thanks :)
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hiyas all , so what's happening ?
[12:42] <Sidewinder> Mornin' BluesKaj
[12:42] <Sidewinder> \o
[12:42] <BluesKaj> hey Sidewinder
[12:46] <BluesKaj> think I'm going to install a separate hdd for 12.10 testing ..my other test machine's mobo "konqed out" and I don't feel like spending any more on single core 6 yrold pc
[12:48] <bobweaver> hello what is the kernel for quantal ? also I am not gettiing hits on updates for some of the repos all the extra ones both i386 and amd84 are pulling error any one else seeing the same thing  ?
[12:49] <bobweaver> amd84 :D    amd64 *
[12:49] <BluesKaj> bobweaver, is 12.10 packaged?
[12:50] <bobweaver> I just changes the sources list like in debian
[12:50] <bobweaver> with sed
[12:50] <bobweaver> I will post sources.list
[12:50] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/964573/
[12:52] <bobweaver> do I need too do mpre then change the sources list and the sources.list.d/ dir ?
[12:53] <bobweaver> seemes like it is upgradeing all right
[12:53] <bobweaver> It says that it is going to take 37 min for all the packages to download
[12:57] <ikonia> bobweaver: I wouldn't suggest you do that
[12:58] <BluesKaj> bobweaver,  sudo sed -i 's/precise/quantal/' /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:58] <bobweaver> ikonia,  why is that ?
[12:58] <bobweaver> dependency's
[12:58] <ikonia> bobweaver: well, what are you trying to do ?
[12:58] <bobweaver> upgrade to 12.10
[12:58] <ikonia> you're just going to create a problem on your machine
[12:58] <bobweaver> test
[12:58] <ikonia> bobweaver: why ?
[12:58] <ikonia> bobweaver: 12.10 doesn't exist yet
[12:58] <bobweaver> because I like to break my systems
[12:59] <ikonia> you don't as you cry and complain constantly that it doesn't work
[12:59] <bobweaver> why is there packages for it if it is not there
[12:59] <bobweaver> ikonia,  is a future tiller
[12:59] <ikonia> bobweaver: use the packages, good luck
[12:59] <ikonia> you seem to expect it to work, and get some sort of benifit from running it
[12:59] <ikonia> bobweaver: but please don't moan when it doesn't work
[12:59] <bobweaver> ikonia,  in llooking into crystal ball
[12:59] <ikonia> don't be silly
[12:59] <ikonia> it's a very early stage of development, you can't expect it to be usable
[13:00] <bobweaver> :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> ikonia, the repos don't have any 12.10 packages yet , correct?
[13:01] <bobweaver> all I want to do is fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -F    all day long
[13:01] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I think it's pretty much 12.04 with a few development packages
[13:01] <ikonia> BluesKaj: not sure how much has been upgraded from 12.04 yet, but it won't be much
[13:02] <bobweaver> I thought that motu has been pushing packages for a week or so now I COULD be Wrong on that
[13:02] <BluesKaj> ikonia, ok ,  figured that's the case
[13:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I think the odd thing has been updated, but the updates are normally "trying stuff out" updates
[13:02] <ikonia> (at this stage)
[13:03] <bobweaver> lots of cool mono upgrades I see which I like
[13:03] <bobweaver> no linux-image update thou
[13:04] <ikonia> bobweaver: I'd sit back and wait for it to actually get some content on it
[13:05] <bobweaver> nope I want a dependency war :)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> I need some advice on installing a separate hdd for testing 12.10 ..never tried it before , and I'm concerned about how grub handles 2 hdds with differnt OSs
[13:05] <ikonia> ok, but then please don't complain about it
[13:05] <ikonia> BluesKaj: grub2 and dual booting, very very very annoying
[13:05] <bobweaver> open gparted and get too
[13:05] <bobweaver> it
[13:05] <ikonia> BluesKaj: since the config files where located in /etc it's made it a pretty poor option for dual booting
[13:06] <bobweaver> BluesKaj,  qume vbox vmware ?
[13:06] <bobweaver> qemu *
[13:06] <ikonia> BluesKaj: the possability of things such as shared /boot and menu.lst is now gone so the updates process is just useless for dual booting linux
[13:07] <bobweaver> ikonia,  this is my test computer So if you see me asking questions about Hey this is not wotking I might be on a different computer ...
[13:07] <BluesKaj> gawd , do I have to change the boot sequnce each time then ?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> bobweaver, I'm not a VMware , or VB fan ...a bit of a purist , prefer the real thing
[13:10] <bobweaver> BluesKaj,  why not have a testing machine or a different partition for the whole "kit-and-kablodal "
[13:10] <bobweaver> that why you can always fall back but I sure do like taking snapshots for testing in vbox and other virtual envo's
[13:10] <JanC> you can put grub on both devices, and use your BIOS to select which you want to boot from
[13:11] <JanC> or make static links to the other grub
[13:11] <JanC> by "links" I mean menu items to boot through to the other one
[13:12] <BluesKaj> bobweaver, well I planned on using a different drive (not a prtition) for testing , since i have one available from my other pc which lost it's mobo
[13:12] <ikonia> BluesKaj: jans suggestion of using grub on each drive isolated and then using the bios to select is probablty the most realistic approach
[13:13] <JanC> BluesKaj: alternatively, you can use a disk tray that allows to switch disks easily
[13:14] <JanC> of course that's not possible in every case
[13:15] <BluesKaj> JanC, ikonia , I was hoping not to have to change the boot sequence each time I wanted to use one hdd or the other ....and grub is difficult to configure to dual boot 2 hdds ?
[13:15] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it's just not practical to use grub2 to dual boot 2 linux distros any more
[13:16] <BluesKaj> JanC, a disk tray , the I'd have to spend money ...if that's the case then I may as well buy another mobo for mu old pc and use it instaed
[13:17] <JanC> well, actually, it's not *that* difficult to do, but requires some knowledge about grub2 configuration internals
[13:17] <ikonia> JanC: educate me, how do you deal with the configuration files being stored in /etc on one distro, how does the second distro update that ?
[13:19] <JanC> well, there are 2 options, the easiest is to just add a grub item that boots the second grub install
[13:19] <ikonia> JanC: yes, that's "sloppy" but a straight forward approach
[13:19] <JanC> the more difficult one would involve some scripting, I suppose
[13:19] <bobweaver> why thou
[13:19] <bobweaver> what is the point in all that
[13:20] <BluesKaj> yeah , i would like to find some info or a tutorial to help me dual boot with grub, I used  to dual boot windows7 and kubuntu on grub2 a while back , but that was just a mayyer of partitioning and grub recognizing W7 and linking it to the windows mbr
[13:20] <ikonia> JanC: the only way I can see doing it would be to have a grub "event" that can manipulate the file on the other disk, but that's way too complex
[13:20] <ikonia> BluesKaj: you can do windows/linux no problem
[13:20] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it's just linux/linux that's poor
[13:21] <BluesKaj> ikonia, now that's gotta be a major oversight by the grub devs
[13:21] <JanC> another option is to install the grubs that are updated by the OS in the partition boot record, and have grub (or another bootloader) in the MBR of the boot disk
[13:21] <bobweaver> go complian to gnu and see what thy say :D
[13:22] <JanC> it's actually not grub2 that can't do this, it's the configuration scripts that most distros use
[13:22] <ikonia> JanC: sloppy, but simple
[13:22] <BluesKaj> JanC, I like the idea of the 2 grubs linking , whether it's considered "dirty" or not is immaterial , as long as it works :)
[13:22] <bobweaver> that is like telling a "know-it-all" python dev too learn lisp  lol
[13:23] <ikonia> bobweaver: got anything of value to add or just stupid comments ?
[13:23] <bobweaver> just stupid things as you put them
[13:23] <ikonia> bobweaver: then please don't
[13:23] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it's probably your best bet beyond the bios option
[13:24] <bobweaver> ikonia,  Ill do what I want therer is the ignore option that I am sure you know off
[13:24] <bobweaver> of *
[13:24] <ikonia> bobweaver: sorry, no, you won't. It's a 12.10 discussion channel, not make random pointless comments to break up a discussion channel
[13:25] <ikonia> people where discussing something about 12.10 and how to manage booting it, you adding pointless silly comments doesn't help - and just breaks it up, so please stop
[13:25] <JanC> wait, doesn't grub2 have a default config script that adds links to other linux installs?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> JanC, ikonia , what about a boot disk , where i can make the choice from , is that possible ?
[13:25] <ikonia> BluesKaj: you'd still need to load secondary grubs for each install
[13:26] <JanC> everything is possible  ;)
[13:26] <ikonia> BluesKaj: the config would be in /etc/ on "A" distro, so the other distro wouldn't be able to update it for the boot disk
[13:27] <BluesKaj> ok , time to do some research on grub and 2 drives
[13:29] <JanC> it seems like 30_os_prober searches for Windows, Linux, Mac OS X & Hurd installs
[13:30] <JanC> just make sure the second install puts its grub on the right disk
[13:31] <ikonia> JanC: and it always fails as it can't see /etc on the second disk on the second install
[13:31] <JanC> or maybe not install grub
[13:31] <JanC> ikonia: ah, maybe
[13:31] <JanC> ikonia: well, it could see that  ;)
[13:36] <JanC> and it doesn't really need those files in /etc, as the result is already stored in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[13:38] <ikonia> JanC: yes, but on update those files get rebuilt
[13:38] <JanC> ikonia: that's exactly what you want actually
[13:39] <ikonia> JanC: it is, I agree, however not when you're on the distro that isn't "controlling" grub
[13:40] <JanC> the grub on the second disk would never be used, but part of its config file would
[13:40] <ikonia> but it doesn't
[13:40] <ikonia> as grub won't see the second disks info
[13:40] <ikonia> try it
[13:40] <ikonia> I know what you are suggesting "should" work
[13:41] <JanC> what I mean is that it would be easy to add a config script to the first disk that cuts the interesting parts (the menu items) out of the /boot/grub/grub.cfg of the second disk
[13:42] <JanC> a custom grub config script
[13:42] <ikonia> JanC: ahh, so you're suggesting hook into the pre-generated config file
[13:45] <JanC> just add a shell script /etc/grub.d/11_add_second_ubuntu on the first disk that cuts the menu items out of /boot/grub/grub.cfg on disk 2 and writes them to stdout
[13:45] <JanC> (and maybe some other things from the grub.cfg too, I didn't check what exactly would be needed)
[13:49] <JanC> and it doesn't actually have to be a shell script even, AFAIK
[13:49] <JanC> although I never tried using python or such  :P
[13:51] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek is happening right now in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:55] <bobweaver> thansk dholbach  looking at lisk now I am sure there is cool stuff thanks again I forgot about this I caught some of the juju and marks talk
[13:55] <dholbach> there always is
[13:55] <dholbach> and the good thing is: we keep the logs :)
[13:55] <bobweaver> yeah lol I made them tables on that page :P
[13:56] <eagles0513875_> hey guys
[13:56] <eagles0513875_> i thought this channel was closed after release
[13:56] <eagles0513875_> hey ikonia are you in kubuntu im at a loss in regards to an issue i have run across in 12.04
[13:56] <bobweaver> dholbach,  also thanks so much for the youtube videos on packaging if you are who I think you are :)
[13:57] <dholbach> bobweaver, I did them ages ago - maybe this cycle I'll get some time to redo them :)
[13:57] <dholbach> thanks :)
[13:57] <bobweaver> Please
[13:57] <bobweaver> I will shave my head
[13:57] <dholbach> eagles0513875_, well, there's a new ubuntu+1 again
[13:57] <eagles0513875_> hehe have the repos been opened for the next release?
[13:57] <dholbach> yes, some days ago already
[13:58] <eagles0513875_> dholbach: :D interesting i though though that it usually occured after UDS
[13:59] <dholbach> no no, everybody's been busy opening it already :)
[13:59] <dholbach> Ubuntu Development session (at Ubuntu Open Week) starting in 1 minute in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:59]  * dholbach better gets ready
[13:59] <eagles0513875_> dholbach: you giving the lecture
[13:59] <dholbach> yes
[13:59] <eagles0513875_> :) looking forward to it :)
[14:06] <eagles0513875_> dholbach: i sent you msg with question as i cannot send to channel
[14:08] <JanC> eagles0513875_: you can ask questions in  #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[14:08] <eagles0513875_> thanks
[17:23] <Captain_Proton> I am trying to install 12.04 on a ASUS desktop with a EFI bois I can get it to boot but when I try to install it there is no hardrive. I tried both IDE and SATA settings.
[17:23] <Captain_Proton> would 12.10 alpha have better efi support
[17:33] <htorque> Captain_Proton: hi! what board is it?
[17:34] <htorque> i'm on a P8Z68-V which works just fine
[18:25] <Captain_Proton> htorque, sorry one sec
[18:33] <Captain_Proton> the mobo is asus N13219
[18:37] <Captain_Proton> htorque, the mobo is asus N13219
[18:47] <Captain_Proton> htorque, I just install a updated bois maybe that will help
[18:49] <Captain_Proton> htorque, did you have to pass any kernel args?
[18:53] <Captain_Proton> sweet update the bios and pass nomodset worked :D
[19:04] <bcuraboy> hi guys.i would like to add info of the music i'm listening on guayadeque or on other player to my conky config..how can i do that?
[19:19] <Fyodorovna> So Quantal Quetzal is a upgrade from precise right now I assume, is it a change the repos of software sources as of now? I have a couple of 12.04 images t waste.
[19:19] <Fyodorovna> *to
[19:45] <yofel> home sweet home, forgot to rejoin after the cleanup :)
[19:47] <Fyodorovna> So Quantal Quetzal is a upgrade from precise right now I assume, is it a change the repos of software sources as of now? I have a couple of 12.04 images t waste.
[19:54] <BluesKaj> Fyodorovna, it's not in the repos yet
[19:54] <BluesKaj> not here at least
[19:55] <Fyodorovna> BluesKaj, ah so is it available in some manner?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> Fyodorovna, not that I know of
[19:56] <BluesKaj> the guys here opened the chat a day early , I think
[19:56] <Fyodorovna> BluesKaj, seems early I seem to have see people running it but no big hurry just curious, thankx.
[19:57] <bobweaver> I am running 12.10
[19:57] <BluesKaj> got a mirror ?
[19:57] <bobweaver> no but I could make remastersys or something like that
[19:58] <bobweaver> I just did it for packaging purposes althou I am not v.good at that
[20:00] <BluesKaj> bobweaver, you did the old sources.list trick , substituting precise with quantal , correcy
[20:00] <BluesKaj> correct , rather ?
[20:01] <bobweaver> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsingDevelopmentReleases
[20:01] <bobweaver> but i did the sources list do-dad
[20:09] <BluesKaj> bobweaver, not real keen on VB , but will test drive run it ?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> run in it , rather
[20:12] <bobweaver> not sure if there is daily shots of it yet thou for testdrive Oo
[20:12] <bobweaver> 12.10 ^^
[20:16] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> YYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY we are back :DDDDD
[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> fyi 1st major bug
[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> libfont
[21:02] <Fyodorovna> bobweaver, so how did you acquire 12.10?
[21:07] <Fyodorovna> bobweaver, ah I see you modified the source list I thought that was the only method as of now.
[21:54] <fernandomiguel2> drat
[21:54] <fernandomiguel2> cant boot
[21:54] <fernandomiguel2> stops after NETBIOS
[21:54] <fernandomiguel2> i've reverted all network related packages
[21:54] <fernandomiguel2> and still no boot :\
[22:18] <mongo> Fyodorovna: what does the netbios upstart script invoke?
[22:20] <Fyodorovna> mongo, not sure.
[22:21] <mongo> you see this when you hit esc in plymouth?