[00:57] <EvilResistance> i'm unsure how to triage this one:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/993430
[00:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993430 in update-manager "Recommend backing up before upgrades" [Wishlist,New]
[00:57] <EvilResistance> in one sense, its a feature request, on another hand, its a huge change...
[00:57] <EvilResistance> oh i see bdmurray got to it
[00:58] <EvilResistance> (lag didnt show that he got to it)
[01:01] <Daekdroom> It's not a huge change if you think of it as the addition of a warning.
[01:01] <Daekdroom> Integrating update-manager with a backup utility would be a huge change.
[01:01] <EvilResistance> that was suggested in the thing
[01:01] <EvilResistance> :P
[01:02] <Daekdroom> Yeah... I just noticed.
[01:02] <EvilResistance> perhaps it should be added in the bug in the comments taht adding a backup utility would be a huge change, and that should be proposed on brainstorm and not a bug/feature request?
[01:02] <EvilResistance> this is why i havent asked it to be triaged yet, i'm still pondering how to treat it
[01:02] <EvilResistance> i agree, adding warnings would be epic and awesome
[01:02] <EvilResistance> however, adding in autobackups is a huge change
[01:02] <EvilResistance> since both exist in the bug/featurerequest...
[01:03] <EvilResistance> ... perhaps you can see my confusion?
[01:03] <Daekdroom> Yes, I can. I'm equally confused.
[01:03] <EvilResistance> if it were up to me, this is what I'd do, assuming i was bugcontrol:
[01:03] <Daekdroom> 'If the requested enhancement is small and well-defined and/or the suggestion concerns an upstream project, the Importance of the bug should be set to 'Wishlist'. '
[01:04] <EvilResistance> (1) post to the bug saying "This bug is being traiged for the adding of a warning.  However, adding an automatic backup system is a huge change, and is not to be included in this, rather propose that on brainstorm."
[01:04] <EvilResistance> (2) triage
[01:04] <EvilResistance> that'd be my decision, if i were god of everything (and of course, I"m not)
[01:05] <EvilResistance> actually i can poke the OP of the bug, he's in #ubuntuforums
[01:05] <EvilResistance> i could have him split off the "big change" part
[01:05] <EvilResistance> and tell him to propose that on brainstorm
[01:05] <EvilResistance> and leave the other part in the feature request but
[01:05] <EvilResistance> bug*
[01:07] <EvilResistance> perhaps i should post it on the bugsquad list, see what the general response is to it?
[01:10] <bodhi_zazen> IMO it would be nice to at least warn people that upgrading may have detrimental effects and they need to be prepared for a fresh install ;)
[01:10] <bodhi_zazen> I know, no one reads the warnings or release notes, but, IMO, it is just too easy to click the upgrade button
[01:10] <EvilResistance> indeed, but we're stuck on how to process because of the last part of your bug
[01:10] <EvilResistance> the part about autoupgrading
[01:11] <EvilResistance> s/autoupgrading/autobackup/
[01:11] <EvilResistance> adding autobackup is a huge change
[01:11] <EvilResistance> the rest isnt
[01:11] <bodhi_zazen> You would think a limited backup would be *fairly* easy to do, but I understand that is a larger change
[01:11] <EvilResistance> if we process it solely based on the huge change, we'd have to follow the Triage guide
[01:11] <EvilResistance> and mark your bug as invalid and tell you to go to Brainstorm about it
[01:11] <bodhi_zazen> I think , at the end of the day, consider data integrity / data loss as you decide how best to triage the bug
[01:11] <EvilResistance> on the other hand, if we process it based on the warning, we can triage it
[01:12] <EvilResistance> so you see where i'm confused on the matter, and where Daekdroom is
[01:12] <EvilResistance> if it were up to me, i'd split off the adding autobackup from your request, and file that separately
[01:12] <EvilResistance> but it's not entirely up to me
[01:12] <bodhi_zazen> That would be fine
[01:12] <EvilResistance> i'll let you do that, i dont have bugcontrol so i can't edit your bug :P
[01:13] <EvilResistance> (not fully, at least)
[01:13] <bodhi_zazen> I am just saying, as someone who provides support, we see too many people with failed upgrades, and it is not fun to loose data
[01:13] <EvilResistance> i agree with you there
[01:13]  * EvilResistance is an IT technician, and sees this daily
[01:13] <bodhi_zazen> I am not saying the end user does not have some responsibility, but , make them think about upgrading first
[01:13] <EvilResistance> mhm
[01:14] <EvilResistance> bodhi_zazen:  if you will edit the bug to remove the part about the autobackup system being added, and file that part separately, i'll push for the rest of the bug being triaged
[01:14] <EvilResistance> but as it stands, its kinda hard to decide what to do (even Daekdroom agrees with me)
[01:14] <bodhi_zazen> done
[01:15] <EvilResistance> bug control members: this needs triaging: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/993430
[01:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993430 in update-manager "Recommend backing up before upgrades" [Wishlist,New]
[01:17] <EvilResistance> bodhi_zazen:  if you file the part about adding automatic backups into it, we'll handle that separatelyt
[01:17] <EvilResistance> separately*
[01:21] <Daekdroom> EvilResistance, that'd better go to Brainstorm.
[01:21] <EvilResistance> Daekdroom:  indeed, actually
[01:22]  * EvilResistance briefly forgot about Brainstorm even though he's mentioned it several times
[01:22] <EvilResistance> side effect of active monitoring of 12 channels, i think :/
[01:27] <bodhi_zazen> thanks but-squad
[01:27] <bodhi_zazen> *bug
[05:38] <simplew> i have a launchpad account but when i click in button "Report a bug" im redirect to a howto page, how can i report a bug?
[05:39] <micahg> simplew: ubuntu-bug followed by the package name
[05:40] <simplew> im not running ubuuntu
[05:40] <simplew> but theres a major ubuntu bug in the server installer
[05:40] <simplew> and that needs to be reported
[05:40] <simplew> since that its also being used by other distros
[05:41] <simplew> micahg: so how am gona report this bug?
[05:42] <micahg> well, the instructions are on that page
[05:42] <simplew> micahg: already told im not running ubuntu
[05:43] <micahg> simplew: there are instruction on how to file directly
[05:43] <micahg> look at the summary on top
[05:43] <simplew> micahg: those isntructions for what i can see are valid for whos running ubuntu
[05:44] <micahg> simplew: you didn't read the whole page then :)
[05:44] <simplew> i alreadu read the page twice
[05:44] <andol> simplew: What about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_at_Launchpad.net then?
[05:46] <simplew> andol: thanks, but i was at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu and each time i clicked to report a bug i was redirected to the howto page
[05:46] <simplew> andol: to which package should i refer when this is a problem in the server installer cd?
[05:48] <simplew> andol: should i leave the field empty?
[05:48] <andol> Wel, to quote https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[05:48] <andol> "If you encounter the bug when installing from the Alternate or Server CDs, the package is debian-installer."
[06:01] <simplew> andol: thabks
[06:02] <simplew> andol: done -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/993761
[06:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993761 in debian-installer "Precise Server Installer does not allow to complete the encrypt partitions procedure" [Undecided,New]
[06:04] <simplew> andol: maybe was better to report this bug in debian?
[06:16] <andol> simplew: Well, if you can reproduce the bug in Debian, sure.
[06:18] <simplew> andol: i thought this was a pure debian package, thus reporting it to debian,, but thats not the case...
[06:18] <simplew> andol: i thought this was a pure debian package, thus reporting it to debian,, but if thats not the case...
[06:20] <simplew> due to this problem im unable to install a deb based distro with encrypted partitions
[06:21] <simplew> since at 3 distros i already saw, this is the isntaller used
[06:21] <andol> simplew: If you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer (for example) you will see that there is an "ubuntu" part of the version number. That means that there is an Ubuntu delta compared to the original Debian package.
[06:22] <simplew> andol: i see, wel i just hope that this can be fixed to allow users like me to install ubuntu when we already have encrypted partitions in the hd
[10:59] <nik90> can anyone mark this bug medium priority https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/993768
[10:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993768 in unity "Unity Dash obscures keyboard shortcut overlay" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:59] <nik90> thnx
[11:25] <PirateKing> hi, could you set bug 990949 to Triaged with medium importance?
[11:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 990949 in gedit-latex-plugin "Editor scrolls down after editing and saving a tex file" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/990949
[13:29] <hggdh> PirateKing: done, thank you for the heads up on it
[13:30] <hggdh> PirateKing: only not Triaged, since it still needs to be reported upstream
[13:30] <PirateKing> hggdh: alright, thanks!
[13:51] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek is happening right now in #ubuntu-classroom
[19:01] <GraemeLion> Hi there.. kinda new to the bug squad thing.. I think #993930 may be ready for triage and importance.
[19:19] <roadmr> bug 993930
[19:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993930 in unity "onscreen keyboard doesn't disappear from lock screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993930
[21:12] <Simplew> to who i need to talk so that a ubuntu bug in debian-installer can be fixed?