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dpmhey all13:00
dpmhow's everyone doing?13:00
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dpmso I hope everyone is doing well, and ready for the second day of Ubuntu Open Week!13:02
dpmlet's wait a minute for stragglers to come in and then we can start13:03
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dpmI hope you all are enjoying Ubuntu Open Week so far...13:04
dpmgreat day of sessions yesterday, I especially enjoyed the omgubuntu story by marcoceppi and imbrandon13:05
dpmanyway, let's get started, shall we?13:05
dpmHi everyone and welcome to the first session of Ubuntu Open Week Day 2!13:05
dpmMy name is David Planella, and I work in the Community team at Canonical13:06
dpmDuring the next hour I'll be talking about how to submit your apps to Ubuntu,13:06
dpmso that they get published in the Software Centre13:06
dpmto be distributed to millions of users that will surely enjoy your cool software :)13:07
dpmBut it will not be just a talk: I'll  make sure that there is plenty of time for everyone13:07
dpmto participate and ask their questions at the end. However, feel free to interrupt me13:08
dpmduring the rest of the session if you've got any questions.13:08
dpmsorry for the delay13:10
dpmok, I was saying13:10
dpmJust remember to prepend them with QUESTION: on the #ubuntu-classroom-chat channel13:10
dpmThroughout the talk I will be referring to different places in the Ubuntu App Developer site,13:10
dpmwhich is the central place for anyone wanting to create and publish their apps in Ubuntu.13:11
dpmHere's where it lives:13:11
dpm    http://developer.ubuntu.com13:11
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dpm... and without further ado ...13:11
dpmlet's get rolling!13:11
dpm 13:11
dpmCreating your app13:12
dpm 13:12
dpmWell, the first step is obvious, you have to create your app,13:12
dpmwhich is basically the time when you materialise that cool idea into beautiful software.13:12
dpmI will not dwell too much on this subject, as it's beyond the scope of the session,13:12
dpmhowever, I'll just add a couple of tips for new app authors.13:13
dpmIf you're considering writing a new application for Ubuntu, I'd recommend13:13
dpmto use the standard set of development tools available from the Ubuntu Software Centre13:13
dpmThey are an extremely powerful and versatile bunch of utilities13:14
dpmwhich will not only put everything you need to write software at your fingertips,13:14
dpmbut also will help you following good development practices.13:14
dpmAnd they're all Free Software and also free as in free beer!13:15
dpmYou've got an overview of our recommendations to write new apps here:13:15
dpm    http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/quickly-workflow/13:15
dpmWhat we've also got is a tool called Quickly, which puts all those technologies together13:15
dpmYou can learn more about it here, it's got a nice and short video tutorial13:15
dpmto show you how to write a basic functional template for your app in 3 minutes:13:16
dpm    http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/13:16
dpmHowever, if you've already written an application with another set of tools,13:16
dpmor if you do prefer another choice of toolkit, that's also ok!13:16
dpmWe're providing these recommendations to make it easy for app authors to get started13:16
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dpmand provide a smooth path for publishing their apps.13:16
dpmHowever, we acknowledge the diversity of the whole Open Source ecosystem,13:16
dpmso you can basically submit your apps using your weapon of choice.13:17
dpmJust remember that our recommendations will make things easier, though!13:17
dpmok, moving along13:17
dpmoh, any questions so far?13:17
dpmif so, remember to ask them on the #ubuntu-classroom-chat channel, prepending them with QUESTION13:18
dpmok, if there aren's any, let's move on...13:18
dpm 13:18
dpmWhich types of apps qualify13:18
dpm 13:18
dpmThere are thousands of apps available in the Ubuntu archive already, which usually get in there through other means.13:19
dpmMany of these fall into the category of system software, or big applications that are part of the Ubuntu platform.13:19
dpmThey are also subject to strict policies to ensure the security and quality of the software,13:19
dpmas well as to ensure that they are indeed Free Software and can be distributed with Ubuntu.13:19
dpmSo in order to differentiate from these archive applications, I'll call the process  we'll be talking about today, "the app developer process".13:19
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dpmUltimately though, all software is published through the Software Centre13:20
dpmThere are are 3 broad categories under which apps to be submitted through the app developer process fall:13:21
dpm* Paid-for apps13:21
dpm* Gratis apps with proprietary licenses13:21
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dpm* Gratis apps with Open Source licenses13:21
dpmNotice that as well as open source, we're also embracing commercial applications13:22
dpmto give the opportunity to app authors and Canonical to make revenue of application sales.13:23
dpmThis should give you a rough idea, but ultimately you will need to know13:23
dpmthe whole details to see if your app qualifies for the app developer process.13:23
dpm- For paid-for and gratis+proprietary apps:13:24
dpm    http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/commercial-software-faqs/13:24
dpm- For gratis+open source apps:13:24
dpm    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines13:24
dpmok, I see there are some questions, so I'll stop for a minute to take the opportunity to answer them13:25
ClassBotrks063 asked: i want to know that which language to opt for development?13:25
dpmwe're currently recommending Python as a language of choice13:26
dpmin conjunction with a set of other tools to make you more productive when you're developing:13:26
dpmThis are the recommendations if you're a new developer, but as I was saying earlier on, if you've already started writing an app in another language, that's also welcome13:27
ClassBoteosorio asked: is there an app requirement desing?13:27
dpmThat's a really good question13:28
dpmWe do not have any design requirements at the moment - it's up to the app developer to choose consistent design standards13:28
dpmWe do have documentation on how to better integrate with Ubuntu and Unity, though, which I would personally recommend to follow13:29
dpmcheck this out: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/unity/13:29
ClassBotSyd23 asked: How does a beginner ensure top quality code and where to find help?13:29
dpmfor this one, I'd recommend browsing through the Resources section on the Ubuntu App Developer site, where you'll find the info you need and pointers to external resources too:13:31
dpmas per getting help, Askubuntu or the other support and discussion resources will direct you to the places where your questions can be answered:13:32
ClassBotrks063 asked: which is thr basic part of ubuntu from where to start?13:32
dpmthat's a very broad question, I'd recommend starting with the Ubuntu Platform diagram to understand the basics: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/documentation/platform-diagram/13:33
dpmok, moving on...13:33
dpmNext is where it gets interesting: how to actually submit your app!13:34
dpm1. Submitting your app13:34
dpm 13:34
dpmOk, so all that cleared up, by this point you've already have a working app you'd13:34
dpmlike the world to see and enjoy ;)13:34
dpmThe good news is that we've got an easy, streamlined and web-based process13:34
dpmto make it easy for you to to publish, keep track of, monitor and update your apps.13:35
dpmFor this, we've developed a tool especially for app developers.13:35
dpmIt's called My Apps and you'll find it on the app developer site:13:35
dpm    https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com13:35
dpmYou'll see that it's easy and intuitive to use, and the first thing you'll want to do is to sign up for it13:35
dpmso you can to enter the Ubuntu app developer programme and start using it straight away :-)13:35
dpmSigning up it's free, and again, it's a matter of a couple of minutes.13:36
dpmThe process is based on Ubuntu's single login,13:36
dpmso if you've got an Ubuntu SSO account already, it will be even quicker.13:36
dpmSimply go to https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com, either click on the "Sign in or register" link at the top right hand side13:36
dpmor the "Submit a new application" button, and the website will guide you through the process.13:36
dpmBefore you continue the process of submitting the app though, you might want to read the quickstart guide on:13:37
dpm    http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/13:37
dpmIt will show you the basic steps you will be following and give you some useful tips along the way.13:37
dpmSo let's go quickly through them:13:37
dpm1 - Set up your My Apps account - you've already done that :)13:38
dpm2 - Prepare your app's icons and screenshots - you will want your app to be13:38
dpmappealing to users, so make sure you've got nice screenshots and icons, in all recommended sizes13:38
dpm3 - Add your application details - here you'll be describing your app and making it easily13:38
dpmdiscoverable in the Software Centre. Make sure the description is clear and use a spell-checker to avoid typos13:38
dpm4 - Choose your price - if your app is paid for, you'll have to decide the price in USD at this point13:39
dpmThe minimum price is $2.9913:39
dpm5 - Have an archive of your application ready to upload - here's where you upload your actual app to MyApps. More on this in a minute13:39
dpm6 - Your app will be reviewed - before it gets into the wild, your app needs to be reviewed and QAd. More on this in a minute too.13:39
dpmSo pretty easy, right? Now, going back on the step of uploading your app ...13:39
dpmIdeally, you should submit a Debian source package. A Debian source package consists of 3 files (with extensions .dsc, diff.gz, orig.tar.gz), which you should put in a compressed archive (a tarball, zip file, rar...) and upload into My Apps.13:40
dpmThis will allow reviewers to easily test and publish your app.13:40
dpm*However*, there are some important caveats:13:40
dpm * If your app is commercial or proprietary software: we still recommend uploading a Debian source package, but if you are not experienced in packaging you can also upload either13:40
dpm   - Sources or binaries – Your application’s source or binary files, bundled in an archive file (.tar.gz, .zip, etc)13:40
dpm   - Debian source package – A Debian source package (.dsc, diff.gz, orig.tar.gz files, if you are already familiar with packaging), bundled in an archive file (.tar.gz, .zip, etc)13:41
dpmand the commercial packagers will package and publish it for you.13:41
dpmVery soon we'll have automatic packaging in place, but more details on that when it's all deployed and working13:41
dpmAlso, as a wrap-up, check out this article on packaging commercial or proprietary software:13:41
dpm * If your app is Free Software and gratis: we recommend using a Personal Packaging Archive (PPA).13:42
dpmYou can specify the location of your PPA in the 'Any additional notes for the application reviewer' text box in the Overview tab of your app's entry in My Apps.13:42
dpmYou can also learn more about PPAs in the packaging section of the Ubuntu App Developer Site13:42
dpmAnd finally, you'll find all the information related to submissions and packaging on http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/my-apps-packages/13:43
dpmAny questions on submissions?13:43
ClassBotPaoloRotolo asked: Hi, sorry, if my app is free I put the PPA link in "Any additional notes for the application reviewer" but I can't submit it if the "Source" field is empty...13:45
dpmgood point. You need to upload something until this bug is fixed ->  https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/920428 - so my recommendation would be just to upload a file to complete the process, even if it's just a text file to indicate the url of your PPA13:46
ClassBoteosorio asked: which percentage is for canonical vs developer?13:46
dpmThat info is public on http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/ - it's 80% for the app author and 20% for Canonical13:47
dpmok, let's continue13:48
dpm 13:48
dpm2. Reviewing your app13:48
dpm 13:48
dpmAfter your application has been submitted, and depending of the type of app, one of two things will happen:13:48
dpm* If it's a paid for or a gratis+proprietary app, it will be reviewed by the Canonical reviewers team. If necessary, they will package it for you and QA it. Very soon, though, we'll be able to automatically package those.13:48
dpm* If it's a Free Software+gratis app, it will generally be reviewed by a team of volunteers called the Ubuntu App Review Board (ARB)13:49
dpmIn any case, reviewers will get in touch with you as soon as they start reviewing13:49
dpmyour app, and you will be notified of any app state changes by e-mail.13:49
dpmFor all the exact details of an application's lifecycle in My Apps, check out:13:49
dpm    http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/application-states/13:49
dpmAnd if you've submitted a Free Software app and you want to contact the ARB,13:49
dpmyou can jump into the #ubuntu-arb channel and ask how to help, or you can contact the ARB through e-mail13:50
dpmyou'll find all the details there13:50
dpm 13:50
ClassBotThere are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.13:50
dpmOk, we're getting near the end, so time to wrap up...13:50
dpm 13:50
dpmGetting help13:50
dpm 13:50
dpmIf you need any help or if you've got any questions, be it during or before the13:51
dpmpublishing step, there is an awesome, awesome community of app developers out13:51
dpmthere just like you, willing to lend a hand13:51
dpmCheck out:13:51
dpm    http://developer.ubuntu.com/community/13:51
dpmFrom there, I'd like to highlight:13:51
dpm* Real-time chat: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-app-devel13:51
dpmi.e. the #ubuntu-app-devel IRC channel on Freenode13:51
dpm* Askubuntu: http://www.askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=application-development13:51
dpmFor all your app development related questions13:51
dpmand that was all for the talk :)13:52
dpmI hope you've enjoyed, and let's see if there are any questions13:52
ClassBotHari85 asked: ​ are scientific softwares reviewed by the people associated with the field13:52
dpmit is up to the app developer to ensure their apps work as expected,13:53
dpmso there is no review to ensure that scientific software (or in general of any other particular kind) are working up to the specs13:54
dpmmore questions?13:54
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ClassBotThere are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.13:55
dpmok, so if there aren't any more questions, the only thing left is to thank you all for listening in and your questions. I hope you enjoyed the session, you learnt something new, and see you on the next one! :-)13:56
dpmSo time to leave the floor to dholbach, the man who epitomizes Ubuntu development and fun, with this "Ubuntu Development - how it all works" session!13:58
dholbachthanks a lot dpm14:00
dholbachWelcome to Ubuntu Open Week everyone!14:00
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dholbachMy name is Daniel Holbach, I work for Canonical, but have been involved in Ubuntu development beforehand already - at Canonical I work with these fine young gentlemen: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-community/+mugshots14:01
dholbach(dpm is one of them :-))14:01
dholbachso if you have any questions, please please please ask - also if I'm being unclear or should confuse you :)14:01
dholbachbut please prefix it with QUESTION:14:02
dholbachie: QUESTION: Which band do jono and jcastro argue most about?14:02
dholbachin this first session I'd like to give you an overview over Ubuntu development - so how a typical release cycle works out, what we work on, who we interact with and what general considerations are14:02
dholbachin the second session, depending on how much time we have, I'll show you some practical examples of how we fix bugs and work on packages14:03
dholbachUbuntu is made up of thousands of different components, written in many different programming languages. Every component - be it a software library, a tool or a graphical application - is available as a source package.14:03
dholbachSource packages in most cases consist of two parts: the actual source code and metadata. Metadata includes the dependencies of the package, copyright and licensing information, and instructions on how to build the package.14:04
dholbachOnce this source package is compiled, the build process provides binary packages, which are the .deb files users can install.14:04
dholbachEvery time a new version of an application is released, or when someone makes a change to the source code that goes into Ubuntu, the source package must be uploaded to Launchpad’s build machines to be compiled. The resulting binary packages then are distributed to the archive and its mirrors in different countries.14:04
dholbachThe URLs in /etc/apt/sources.list point to an archive or mirror.14:04
dholbachEvery day CD images are built for a selection of different Ubuntu flavours. Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, Kubuntu and others specify a list of required packages that get on the CD. These CD images are then used for installation tests and provide the feedback for further release planning.14:04
dholbachI hope this illustrates how we work on the source and the source only. Every now and then we get .deb packages submitted for review and inclusion - but it doesn't work that way. :-)14:05
dholbachAny questions up until now?14:06
ClassBotsagaci asked: when can one start developing/testing for the next ubuntu release?14:06
dholbachsagaci, Usually the next development release is opened within a week after the last release got out.14:06
dholbachSo https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-April/000955.html for example announced that 'quantal' (12.10) was opened on the 30th April.14:07
dholbachThe release was on 26th April IIRC, so this was very well executed by toolchain, Ubuntu archive and Launchpad developers. :)14:07
ClassBotrks063 asked: i am beginner in the developement of ubuntu. I want to know how to set up the environment for developing ?14:08
dholbachrks063, I'll get to that in part 2 of the session :)14:08
dholbachsorry - I should have mentioned it earlier: please ask your questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat14:08
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: if you have a new program which isnt available in debian but you want to compile it and get it into the ubuntu repositories what is the best way to go about doign that? get it in upstream debian?14:09
dholbacheagles0513875_, that's certainly a good way to do it - the advantage of getting it into Debian is obviously that you reach many many more users, but also that many other developers can help out with it as well14:09
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages has more information about how to go about that14:10
dholbachmoving on - let me talk a bit about the typical Ubuntu release cycle14:10
dholbachUbuntu’s development is very much dependent on the current stage of the release cycle. We release a new version of Ubuntu every six months, which is only possible because we have established strict freeze dates.14:10
dholbachWith every freeze date that is reached developers are expected to make fewer, less intrusive changes.14:11
dholbachFeature Freeze is the first big freeze date after the first half of the cycle has passed. At this stage features must be largely implemented. The rest of the cycle is supposed to be focused on fixing bugs.14:11
dholbachAfter that the user interface, then the documentation, the kernel, etc. are frozen, then the beta release is put out which receives a lot of testing. From the beta release onwards, only critical bugs get fixed and a release candidate release is made and if it does not contain any serious problems, it becomes the final release.14:11
ClassBotbobweaver asked: metadata is like control file in debian package ?14:11
dholbachbobweaver, exactly, or debian/copyright or debian/changelog, etc.14:11
dholbachif this doesn't make sense to anybody else yet, don't worry - we'll get to it in Part 214:12
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: are there guidelines where exceptions could and are made in regards to those freeze dates14:12
dholbacheagles0513875_, yes - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess lists a few them, but generally - if you're unsure - you can always ask in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu for advice14:13
dholbachyou can only document so much, sometimes you have to simply learn by osmosis - by talking to fellow developers by talking to them14:13
dholbachThousands of source packages, billions of lines of code, hundreds of contributors require a lot of communication and planning to maintain high standards of quality.14:14
dholbachAt the beginning of each release cycle we have the Ubuntu Developer Summit where developers and contributors come together to plan the features of the next releases. Every feature is discussed by its stakeholders and a specification is written that contains detailed information about its assumptions, implementation, the necessary changes in other places, how to test it and so on.14:14
dholbachThis is all done in an open and transparent fashion, so even if you can not attend the event in person, you can participate remotely and listen to a streamcast, chat with attendants and subscribe to changes of specifications, so you are always up to date.14:14
dholbachIf you go to http://uds.ubuntu.com/ you can see that the next UDS is going to happen in Oakland, California on 7–11 May 2012.14:15
dholbachhttp://uds.ubuntu.com/community/remote-participation/ explains how to participate remotely14:15
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: who can attend UDS? is it just canonical staff and full time employees only?14:15
dholbacheagles0513875_, anybody - if you're in the area and have time, make sure you drop by, say Hi, go into sessions and discuss things14:16
dholbachUbuntu is such a great place precisely because we have so many bright people who can easily contribute ideas, code and help in all kinds of other forms14:16
dholbachif you're not in Oakland next week, you can still participate remotely14:17
dholbachAny more questions about the release cycle or release planning?14:17
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: in regards to kubuntu. is that now community run project still going to be a part of UDS and follow the same release cycle as ubuntu?14:18
dholbacheagles0513875_, yes14:18
dholbachat UDS we have always had many meetings of all kinds of Ubuntu flavours, sometimes other communities chose to let their meetings coincide with UDS to discuss things there and get more people involved14:19
dholbachso I don't expect things to change in this regard - it's a concept which has proven to work well :)14:19
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: so basically it means there are no longer full time canonical employees involved in the project?14:19
dholbacheagles0513875_, if you talk about Kubuntu, then that question can't be really answered with 'yes' or 'no'14:20
dholbachKubuntu gets a lot of its foundations from Ubuntu (just like Ubuntu Desktop does), it still uses the same infrastructure14:20
dholbachand there are people working on other Qt-related bits14:20
dholbachso I don't think it would be fair to say "nobody works on Kubuntu"14:21
dholbachbut the goals of the Kubuntu distribution are not driven by Canonical14:21
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: This might be a bit off topic but could you explain what canonical is doing in regards to kubuntu, cuz for me that is a great concern as well as other kubuntu users as well14:21
dholbachit is a bit off-topic and I'm probably not the best person to answer the question - I hope what I said above at least gave some additional information14:22
dholbachalright, moving on :)14:22
dholbachNot every single change can be discussed in a meeting though, particularly because Ubuntu relies on changes that are done in other projects.14:22
dholbachThat is why contributors to Ubuntu constantly stay in touch. Most teams or projects use dedicated mailing lists to avoid too much unrelated noise.14:22
dholbachFor more immediate coordination, developers and contributors use Internet Relay Chat (IRC). All discussions are open and public.14:23
dholbachAnother important tool regarding communication is bug reports. Whenever a defect is found in a package or piece of infrastructure, a bug report is filed in Launchpad.14:23
dholbachAll information is collected in that report and its importance, status and assignee updated when necessary.14:23
dholbachThis makes it an effective tool to stay on top of bugs in a package or project and organise the workload.14:23
dholbachLet's talk about the projects Ubuntu interacts with.14:24
dholbachMost of the software available through Ubuntu is not written by Ubuntu developers themselves. Most of it is written by developers of other Open Source projects and then integrated into Ubuntu. These projects are called “Upstreams”, because their source code flows into Ubuntu, where we “merely” integrate it.14:24
dholbachThe relationship to Upstreams is critically important to Ubuntu. It is not just code that Ubuntu gets from Upstreams, but it is also that Upstreams get users, bug reports and patches from Ubuntu (and other distributions).14:25
dholbachThe most important Upstream for Ubuntu is Debian. Debian is the distribution that Ubuntu is based on and many of the design decisions regarding the packaging infrastructure are made there.14:25
dholbachTraditionally, Debian has always had dedicated maintainers for every single package or dedicated maintenance teams.14:25
dholbachIn Ubuntu there are teams that have an interest in a subset of packages too, and naturally every developer has a special area of expertise, but participation (and upload rights) generally is open to everyone who demonstrates ability and willingness.14:25
ClassBotbmoez asked: if any body want to  discus about an idea or project in progress for the next version of ubuntu in UDS but he is not in Oakland next week, what can he do? is there any place to post his ideas (opinions)?14:26
dholbachbmoez, first of all it makes sense to scan the list of sessions at UDS and make sure you can (remotely) attend them and add your thoughts via IRC14:26
dholbachalso I'd make sure to bring it up on a mailing list for a related team14:27
dholbachie: you want to improve documentation, then mail the ubuntu-server team mailing list with your proposal14:27
dholbachbut even if it doesn't get discussed at UDS, you can still write up a proposal with a dedicated implementation plan and bring it up for discussion with a relevant team14:28
dholbach<bobweaver> Question: in the future is there anything that LP is goig to have to submit upstream packages to Ubuntu motu team I central hub that users can give simple info about upstream14:30
dholbachbobweaver, can you give some additional information about what you're looking for? A place to submit packages for inclusion in Ubuntu?14:30
dholbachif it is, I'd suggest to have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages14:31
dholbach<bobweaver> Question: Sure just say I find some source or "upsteeam" package that I want to hand off because I can not build my-self14:32
dholbachbobweaver, yes, in that case have a look at the page I mentioned -it should describe what to do :)14:32
dholbachLet's talk a bit about getting changes into Ubuntu. This is where you come in. :-)14:32
dholbachGetting a change into Ubuntu as a new contributor is not as daunting as it seems and can be a very rewarding experience.14:32
dholbachIt is not only about learning something new and exciting, but also about sharing the solution and solving a problem for millions of users out there.14:33
dholbachOpen Source Development happens in a distributed world with different goals and different areas of focus. For example there might be the case that a particular Upstream is interested in working on a new big feature while Ubuntu, because of the tight release schedule, is interested in shipping a solid version with just an additional bug fix. That is why we make use of “Distributed Development”, where code is being worked on in variou14:33
dholbachs branches that are merged with each other after code reviews and sufficient discussion.14:33
dholbachIn this example it would make sense to ship Ubuntu with the existing version of the project, add the bugfix, get it into Upstream for their next release and ship that (if suitable) in the next Ubuntu release. It would be the best possible compromise and a situation where everybody wins.14:35
dholbachAny questions about Upstreams, bug fixes and how to get fixes in?14:36
dholbachGreat, moving on then. :)14:37
dholbachTo fix a bug in Ubuntu, you would first get the source code for the package, then work on the fix, document it so it is easy to understand for other developers and users, then build the package to test it.14:38
dholbachAnd the last bit is super important. We have a lot of automated tools to build, run some checks and people who review code, but with millions of users out there, it is important that you test your fixes.14:38
dholbachAfter you have tested it, you can easily propose the change to be included in the current Ubuntu development release. A developer with upload rights will review it for you and then get it integrated into Ubuntu.14:39
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: when you say build im guessing you mean on ones local machine?14:39
dholbacheagles0513875_, yes - I usually find it a lot easier to build a package locally than to upload it to a PPA (which of course is also an option)14:39
dholbachthere are tools, which I'll introduce in the next session, which make the task of building it locally very easy14:40
dholbachespecially during busy times you sometimes have to wait a few hours until your package is built in a PPA14:40
dholbachso building locally is more convenient - also if you are working on the fix and go through many iterations of fixing, building, testing14:40
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: is there a place beginning bug fixers can turn for mentoring so that they can learn about how to debug as well as getting new bug fixers used to the vast array of tools at their disposal14:40
dholbacheagles0513875_, yes, I'll share some links later on14:41
dholbachunfortunately we don't have dedicated 1-to-1 mentoring, because it turned out to be very very time-consuming, but we still have good documentation,  very friendly people who can help you out on IRC and will have bug fixing initiatives to get involved in this cycle :)14:41
dholbachmore links and info later on14:42
dholbachThe process I mentioned above (propose fix for inclusion, get it reviewed and uploaded by somebody with upload rights) is what we call 'sponsoring'14:42
dholbachafter you have worked with sponsors for a while and gained their trust, you can apply for upload rights yourself14:43
dholbachWhen trying to find a solution for a bug, it is usually a good idea to check with Upstream and see if the problem (or a possible solution) is known already and, if not, do your best to make the solution a concerted effort.14:43
dholbachThis way we don't waste efforts and you'll get to learn from many other developers and make friends across projects.14:44
dholbachIf you are fixing bugs, additional steps might involve getting the change backported to an older, still supported version of Ubuntu and forwarding it to Upstream.14:44
dholbachAny more questions about fixing bugs, upload rights, other projects, etc.?14:44
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: What exactly does bug triaging mean and does it involve?14:45
dholbacheagles0513875_, great question!14:45
dholbachTriaging is a term that stems from the hospital world. It means that you try to understand the problem, categorise and classify it, so whoever works on the solution has all the relevant information in their hands.14:46
dholbachso if you triage a bug, you want to make sure you understand which exact circumstances lead to the problem, how to reproduce it and maybe even where in the code to look for the problem14:47
dholbachso bug triage and bug fixing goes hand in hand14:47
dholbachthe more you know in the beginning and the easier to find the bug (use tags and good title/description, links to upstream bug or bugs in other distributions), the easier to fix it14:48
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: If a bug is for an end of life release of ubuntu is it safe to say that that bug can be closed?14:48
dholbachyes, if an Ubuntu release reaches its end of life and it is not present in currently supported releases, we can safely close it14:49
dholbachI usually get asked which requirements there are for getting involved in Ubuntu development14:50
dholbachI'm surprised nobody asked up until now. :-)14:50
dholbachSo, the most important requirements for success in Ubuntu development are: having a knack for “making things work again,” not being afraid to read documentation and ask questions, being a team player and enjoying some detective work.14:50
dholbachGood places to ask your questions are ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com and #ubuntu-motu on irc.freenode.net. You will easily find a lot of new friends and people with the same passion that you have: making the world a better place by making better Open Source software.14:50
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dholbachAny more general questions about Ubuntu development? Anything which wasn't clear enough before?14:51
ClassBoteagles0513875_ asked: What exactly is the MOTU and what do they do? what is their purpose?14:51
dholbachMOTU stands for "Masters of the Universe". :)14:51
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dholbachDevelopers with MOTU upload rights can upload packages to Universe and Multiverse14:52
dholbachBut MOTU is much much more than that14:52
dholbachMOTU is not only people who are interested in *verse packages, but also a great place to get started with Ubuntu development - as I mentioned before: you can ask all kinds of questions there, with always somebody around to answer them14:53
ClassBoteagles0513875 asked: if they are the ones that push the packages to the repos. Could you clarify exactly what the developers channels are there for14:53
dholbachso anybody can propose new packages or fixes to packages to go into Ubuntu14:54
dholbachyou don't need upload rights for that14:54
dholbachMOTU grants you specific upload rights, whereas core-dev would grant you upload rights to the whole archive, and you can get upload rights for specific packages or package sets as well14:55
ClassBotThere are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.14:55
dholbachif there are no more immediate questions, I would suggest taking a 5 minute break before get our hands dirty14:56
dholbachI need to get another cup of tea :)14:56
dholbach<eagles0513875> QUESTION: what would classify a package for universe or multiverse repository? also would it be a good place to start in regards to upload rights for one once sufficient experience is gained, would it be good to start as an MOTU then progress to core-dev?14:57
dholbacheagles0513875, all packages start in universe or multiverse, to get them into main or restricted, they need to get a special review, because being in main means they are supported for 18 months (or 5 years for LTS releases)14:58
dholbachand yes, you can always apply for the upload rights you need and apply for more afterwards :)14:58
ClassBotgau1991 asked: Being a developer is only task in Ubuntu?14:59
dholbachgood question :)14:59
dholbachgau1991, No, development is not the only task in Ubuntu14:59
dholbachfor example can you contribute translations, artwork, help with documentation, advertise Ubuntu, give user support, help with bug reports, and so on14:59
dholbachthere are many many things to do in Ubuntu, you don't need to be a developer, if that's not your interest15:00
ClassBoteagles0513875 asked: when you say advertise ubuntu is there material for those to put on their website or give out etc?15:00
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dholbacheagles0513875, yes, there's http://spreadubuntu.org/15:01
dholbachalright - session 215:01
dholbachfor everyone who just joined15:01
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dholbachFor Session 2, I'll try to squeeze quite a bit of content in, so please let me know if I go too fast15:02
dholbachin any case I'll share links to documentation later on, so you can read about everything in a bit more detail15:03
dholbachOk, first let's get set up for Ubuntu development15:03
dholbachIt is advisable to do packaging work using the current development version of Ubuntu. Doing so will allow you to test changes in the same environment where those changes will actually be applied and used.15:04
dholbachDon’t worry though, the Ubuntu development release wiki page shows a variety of ways to safely use the development release: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsingDevelopmentReleases15:04
dholbacheven if you don't run 'quantal' (12.10) right now, you will still be able to follow the instructions here :-)15:05
dholbachThere are a number of tools that will make your life as an Ubuntu developer much easier. You will encounter these tools later in this guide. To install most of the tools you will need run this command:15:05
dholbach  sudo apt-get install packaging-dev15:05
dholbachThis might take a while, but don't worry - you can always go back to the instructions15:06
dholbachThis command will install the following software:15:06
dholbach - gnupg – GNU Privacy Guard contains tools you will need to create a cryptographic key with which you will sign files you want to upload to Launchpad.15:06
dholbach - pbuilder – a tool to do a reproducible builds of a package in a clean and isolated environment.15:06
dholbach - ubuntu-dev-tools (and devscripts, a direct dependency) – a collection of tools that make many packaging tasks easier.15:06
dholbach - bzr-builddeb (and bzr, a dependency) – distributed version control with Bazaar, a new way of working with packages for Ubuntu that will make it easy for many developers to collaborate and work on the same code while keeping it trivial to merge each others work.15:06
dholbach - apt-file provides an easy way to find the binary package that contains a given file.15:06
dholbach - apt-cache (part of the apt package) provides even more information about packages on Ubuntu.15:06
dholbachAny questions up until this point?15:07
ClassBotgau1991 asked: can we use GIT or SVN?15:08
dholbachgau1991, sure, and if you work with some upstream projects you will have to use whatever revision control system they use15:08
dholbachbear in mind though that most of the Ubuntu development is done using Bazaar15:08
dholbachUsually I include "how to set up your GPG key" and "how to set up your SSH key" and "how to set up your Launchpad account", but we don't immediately need them for the session, so I'll just give you some links instead15:09
dholbachthis way we should have a bit more time for questions and actually looking at fixing a bug15:09
ClassBoteagles0513875 asked: even though we are packaging are there any dbg packages that we would want to install before hand or do we install them depending on what we are working on?15:11
dholbacheagles0513875, sure, we could install them, but I won't have time to discuss debugging program crashes for example in this session15:11
dholbachyou have a point though15:11
dholbachif you work as a developer, you rarely just do "packaging", sometimes you will do "debugging" as well, or "fixing the build system" or "writing C code", etc15:12
dholbachok, here are the links for15:13
dholbach - setting up your Launchpad account: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/NewAccount15:13
dholbach - LP and your GPG key: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey15:13
dholbach - LP and your SSH key: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair15:14
dholbachbut as I said earlier, you don't need to do this *right now* - later is fine :)15:14
dholbachok, moving on15:14
dholbachif the package installation above succeeded, please run:15:14
dholbach  pbuilder-dist <release> create15:15
dholbachin our case, that'd be:15:15
dholbach  pbuilder-dist quantal create15:15
dholbachso we can work on the upcoming 12.10 release together15:15
dholbachagain running this command will take its time15:15
dholbachit will set up a minimal environment in which builds are done15:15
dholbachfor that it will download a whole lot of packages, but the good thing is: everything is going to be cached15:16
dholbachmeanwhile, you can open another terminal and edit your ~/.bashrc file in there15:16
dholbachsomewhere around the end of it, please add something like this to it:15:16
dholbachexport DEBFULLNAME="Bob Dobbs"15:16
dholbachexport DEBEMAIL="subgenius@example.com"15:16
dholbachand please only use "Bob Dobbs" if that's your name :)15:17
dholbachonce you've done that, please save the file, leave the editor and run15:17
dholbach  source ~/.bashrc15:17
dholbach(or simply restart your terminal)15:17
dholbachHow are we looking? Did that all work out for you? Any questions about the sense of all this? :)15:18
dholbach<bobweaver> QUESTION the name and the email are the same for the packages we are going to be signing so they need to be the same as my gpg and email ?15:19
dholbachbobweaver, yes, that will make things easier15:19
dholbachalthough you can further specify the gpg key you'd like to use elsewhere15:19
dholbach<eagles0513875> QUESTION: you mentioned with pbuilder we create  the packages for quantal but how does pbuilder know about quantal and all that?15:19
dholbacheagles0513875, it knows through the 'debootstrap' package, which was included in precise through precise-updates :)15:20
dholbachthe great thing about pbuilder-dist is, that you can have multiple pbuilders for whatever release you want to build for15:20
dholbach<nik90> QUESTION what does "pbuilder-dist quantal create" exactly do? Does it install all the development packages of quantal in my current ubuntu setup? Or should I do this in a 12.10 ubuntu setup?15:21
dholbachnik90, great question15:21
dholbachno, it merely builds a minimal Ubuntu chroot of that release15:21
dholbachthis will during builds be used as a basis merely - necessary packages for the build (build-dependencies) are installed for each and every build, but they are cached as well15:21
ClassBoteagles0513875 asked: what does a chroot do?15:23
dholbachI would suggest having a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot because it explains it in much more detail than I could and would have time for15:23
dholbachfor our purposes I guess it suffices to say that it is a minimal Ubuntu, in which the build is done which serves two (and maybe more) purposes: you can make sure that a build succeeds in a reliable and reproducible way (without you having tinkered around with files on the file system) and also you don't need to install all the build-dependencies on your local system15:24
dholbachI was just informed of the following:15:25
dholbach<Daekdroom> There's no debootstrap in -updates. I think he meant backports.15:25
dholbachso, yes15:25
dholbachthere's a package in -backports15:25
dholbachbut there's also a new debootstrap in -proposed, which hasn't progressed to -updates yet15:26
dholbachif you don't have -proposed or -backports enabled, don't despair15:26
dholbachyou can run this as well15:26
dholbach  pbuilder-dist precise create15:26
dholbachyou will then just build the package for precise which will make no difference in our example here - the concept is always the same15:26
ClassBotnik90 asked: How would you go about building a package locally without affecting the current setup (for example Unity) While building a newer version of Unity (potentially unstable) without affecting my stable Unity version?15:27
dholbachnik90, there's a number of options: you can build the new version locally and install the resulting packages and roll back if things turn out to break15:27
dholbachor you can set up a virtual machine and do the installation and testing in there15:27
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsingDevelopmentReleases has more information about other options you have (separate partitions, etc. etc.)15:28
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ClassBoteagles0513875 asked: in regards to the last question could a chroot environment be used to test and run a newer unity version in?15:28
dholbacheagles0513875, no, I personally wouldn't do that15:29
dholbachyou'd need to run an X server in the chroot, run dbus and all kinds of other services15:29
dholbacha VM will get you up and running with much less pain15:29
dholbachany more questions about tools, installation and stuff?15:30
ClassBoteagles0513875 asked: how do you know which tool is the right tool for the job?15:30
dholbacheagles0513875, experience and advice from others ;-)15:31
dholbachsorry, but to such a general question, I can only answer generally ;-)15:31
ClassBotbobweaver asked: is it better to use a virtual envo for simple things like using python 3 instead of 2.7 ?15:31
dholbachbobweaver, I'm not sure that's needed at all - Ubuntu makes it quite easy to have python3 and python2 installed and working at the same time15:32
dholbach(maybe I'm missing something)15:32
dholbachok, let's get our hands dirty :)15:32
dholbachI have a very cheesy first example, but will illustrate quite nicely what packaging is like and what we generally look at15:32
dholbachwe will for now imagine that we had received a bug report about the xicc package and that its description should read 'color' instead or 'colour', which of course would just get rejected15:33
dholbachbut anyway, let's do it :)15:34
dholbachto get the source code of the package, please run15:34
dholbach  bzr branch ubuntu:xicc15:34
dholbachthis will get a source package branch from Launchpad, so a branch which contains the source package for every change in Ubuntu as a revision15:34
dholbachthen please15:35
dholbach  cd xicc15:35
dholbachand open  debian/control  in your editor15:35
dholbachthose of you who have been in the session an hour ago might remember that I said something about source packages containing source and meta data15:35
dholbachwhat we're looking at is meta data15:36
dholbachthe file has at least two stanzas15:36
dholbachthe first one is about the source package (name, section, maintainer, build-dependencies, etc.)15:36
dholbachand the following stanzas (in our case, very simple: just one) describe the binary packages we build15:36
dholbachso the package name, its dependencies, the description and which architectures it is built for15:37
ClassBoteagles0513875 asked: in regards to meta packages such as ubuntu-restricted-extras is that just including the meta data for all those packages like java flash etc15:37
dholbachyes, meta packages don't contain much source code (just enough to create a binary package), but almost just meta data15:38
dholbachthey typically don't install any relevant files on the file system either15:38
dholbachmore questions about what we're currently looking at?15:38
ClassBoteagles0513875 asked: in regards to meta packages such as ubuntu-restricted-extras is that just including the meta data for all those packages like java flash etc?15:39
dholbachoops, we had that question already :)15:39
ClassBotbobweaver asked: what is ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} ?15:39
dholbachgood question!15:39
dholbach${shlibs:Depends} is a variable which will be substituted with names of packages which contain libraries the built libraries and binaries in our package are linked against15:40
dholbachI'm sure this was a bit much, so let's have an example15:40
dholbachif you run15:41
dholbach  ldd /bin/ls15:41
dholbachit will show you which libraries the binary /bin/ls is linked against15:41
dholbachamong others, there's libc.so.615:41
dholbachand if you check which packages coreutils (which contains /bin/ls among others) depends on, there's libc6 (where libc.so.6 is in)15:42
dholbachif this was a bit fast: ${shlibs:Depends} will make sure compiled binaries/libraries in your package will have the libraries they need15:43
dholbach${misc:Depends} are additional packages which might be required by your package15:43
dholbachlet's say you have a gconf schema installed in your package15:43
dholbachin that case ${misc:Depends} will be expanded, so you have gconf2 installed along with your package15:44
ClassBotgau1991 asked: All libraries are shared????15:44
dholbachthere might be exceptions, but yes, libraries are shared15:45
dholbachwhich makes things easier space- and security-wise15:45
dholbachany more questions about debian/control?15:45
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dholbachalrightie, let's move on then15:46
dholbachplease go and replace 'colour' with 'color' wherever you find it - we want to fix that imaginary bug report :)15:47
dholbachonce you've done that, please save the file and run15:47
dholbach  dch -i15:47
dholbachthis should launch an editor where you can enter a description of the change we just did15:47
dholbachif you did everything correctly, it should list your name and email15:48
dholbachif not, I'll give you a link to the docs later on, so you can fix it15:48
dholbachin the changelog entry, I'll put something like15:48
dholbach  * debian/control: replaced 'colour' with 'color'.15:48
dholbachto indicate where I introduced the change and what specifically15:49
dholbachif it were a real bug report we're looking at, we'd also document which bug it exactly was or where the discussion of the change happened15:49
dholbachso if I get hit by a bus tomorrow somebody else will know why I did what I did15:50
dholbach... or if I myself should wonder about my reasoning 2 months later :)15:50
dholbachonce you're done, please run15:50
dholbach  bzr bd -- -S15:50
dholbachwhich will generate a new source package from your changes15:50
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dholbach(if you get a warning about 'Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address', please run 'update-maintainer' and try again)15:51
dholbachnow if this all succeeded, please15:52
dholbach  cd ..15:52
dholbachand you should find these files:15:52
dholbachxicc_0.2-3ubuntu1.diff.gz  xicc_0.2-3ubuntu1.dsc  xicc_0.2-3ubuntu1_source.changes  xicc_0.2.orig.tar.gz15:52
dholbachif you now run15:52
dholbach  pbuilder-dist precise build xicc_0.2-3ubuntu1.dsc15:52
dholbach(quantal should work too if that's what you used before)15:53
dholbachit will build the updated package from source15:53
dholbach<d-egg> Can I omit the signing for this test? It appears I'm not Bob Dobbs15:53
dholbachhaha, yes you can :)15:53
dholbachjust make sure you update your ~/.bashrc settings later on :)15:53
dholbachok, it seems we ran out of time, so we can't go through more examples15:54
dholbachsorry about that15:54
dholbachI just have a few more things I want to bring up before I'll go and answer all the remaining questions there are15:54
dholbachPlease go and bookmark http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/15:54
dholbachit has all the information you need and everything we talked about here15:55
dholbach... and more15:55
dholbachalso I hope to see you in #ubuntu-motu where you can ask all further questions you might have15:55
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dholbachif you're on Twitter/Identi.ca/Facebook/Google+, please consider following @ubuntudev15:55
dholbachthis should keep you aware of upcoming sessions, bug fixing events and the like :)15:56
dholbachlet's see how many questions we still have left in the queue15:56
ClassBotjsjgruber-l84-p asked: What does the -- do in bd -- -S ?15:56
dholbachgood one15:56
dholbachif you just run "bzr bd" it will build the package from the source locally (not in pbuilder)15:57
dholbach(kind of like 'debuild' will do this for you in a regular source package)15:57
dholbachif you add "--" you can add arguments like you normally would for 'debuild' or 'dpkg-buildpackage'15:57
dholbach'-S' will generate a source package you can use with pbuilder or upload to a PPA15:58
dholbachok, if there are no more questions: I wish you all the best and thank you for being here15:59
dholbachI hope to see more of you in the 12.10 cycle15:59
dholbachlet's make 'quantal' rock together!15:59
dholbachnext up is iheartubuntu with "Starting, Maintaining & Expanding Ubuntu Hours"15:59
dholbachBig hugs everyone!15:59
iheartubuntuThanks dholbach... much appreciated with all you do16:00
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iheartubuntu[Slide 1]16:02
iheartubuntuGood Morning & Good Evening to all! My name is Dave and I have used Ubuntu as my only operating system for six years now.16:02
iheartubuntuI enjoy Ubuntu and opening peoples eyes to this great free OS which includes an excellent community.16:02
iheartubuntuThis is why Im here today, to talk about Starting, Maintaining and Expanding Ubuntu Hours.16:03
iheartubuntu[Slide 2]16:03
iheartubuntuWhat is an Ubuntu Hour?16:03
iheartubuntuUbuntu Hours are simply a local public get together to help promote Ubuntu and it is easy to do.16:03
iheartubuntu[Slide 3]16:04
iheartubuntuStarting a new Ubuntu Hour16:04
iheartubuntuYour first step is to locate like minded Ubuntu people online. Your Ubuntu loco team is a great place to start. http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/16:05
iheartubuntuI recommend starting an Ubuntu Hour with at least one other person. It makes it more fun plus you have someone to talk to16:06
iheartubuntuWork with that person or a group of people youve connected with and pick a public spot like a coffee shop or pizza place16:06
iheartubuntuTry to find a central location in the area you want to have an Ubuntu Hour16:07
iheartubuntuSelect a regular schedule that you can commit to: try once a month or once every two weeks.16:07
iheartubuntuFrom my experience... a regular schedule is key.16:07
iheartubuntuIt makes it so much easier to remember say.... the second tuesday of every month16:09
iheartubuntuGet the word out by notifying the loco team mailing list, the ubuntu forums, a local LUG mailing list, twitter, facebook and linkedin16:09
iheartubuntuIm not entirely sure, but I would think every Ubuntu loco team has its own mailing list. Its a great source of info and a great place to get the word out on events16:10
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iheartubuntuThe Ubuntu forums is another good place to tell everyone http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=18316:10
iheartubuntuLUGS are another great place to spread the word16:11
iheartubuntuLUG stands for Linux User Group16:11
iheartubuntuYou can usually locate a LUG within an hour of where you live here in the states.16:12
iheartubuntuI dont have a link offhand but search for a LUG near you by typing something like "san francisco lug" or "san francisco linux user group"16:13
iheartubuntufill in the name of your city or region when you do a search16:13
iheartubuntuSocial media is the perfect place to tell people about your new Ubuntu Hour16:13
iheartubuntuTwitter, Facebook and LinkedIn are great16:13
iheartubuntuTry to bring your Ubuntu laptop and some burned Ubuntu CDs in case passerby ask about Ubuntu16:14
iheartubuntuIf you can, wear an Ubuntu t-shirt, lanyard or put an Ubuntu sticker on your computer16:14
iheartubuntuWhen you show up and run an Ubuntu Hour, you agree to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct16:15
iheartubuntuIn short... 'humanity towards others'16:15
iheartubuntuYou want to be friendly, courteous and cordial to all16:16
iheartubuntuAn Ubuntu Hour really isnt an advertisement and we are not pushing Ubuntu onto anyone. Its just people who like Ubuntu getting together.16:16
iheartubuntuIf anyone asks about Ubuntu you are more than happy to hand them a disc and talk about its merits. Even show them what it looks like if you brought your laptop16:17
iheartubuntu[Slide 4]16:17
iheartubuntuMaintaining Ubuntu Hours16:17
iheartubuntuUbuntu Hours are going to do well when it is something people look forward to.16:18
iheartubuntuEnjoy your time together, grab something to eat, make it as relaxed and inviting as you can16:18
iheartubuntuTalk about new features in Ubuntu, explain IRC to guests, work together to troubleshoot problems, and help new users16:18
iheartubuntuConsider pairing your Ubuntu Hour on the same day as a local LUG meeting nearby16:19
iheartubuntuI must say, this is a great piece of advice. My local Ubuntu Hour averages about 8 people each month since we hold it two blocks away from the local LUG meeting.16:20
iheartubuntuOur Ubuntu Hour is an hour long, we all grab a coffee and have a good time16:20
iheartubuntuAfterwards, we all head to the LUG meeting (linux user group)16:21
iheartubuntuFollow through with a regular schedule so everyone knows when and where to show up16:21
iheartubuntuContinue to spread the word about your Ubuntu Hour. consider posting flyers around a campus or coffee house like this one...16:21
iheartubuntuthis is something i designed for our local Ubuntu Hour. You can make yours however you wish or copy this one and make changes16:22
iheartubuntuThere is a link to the PDF version and SVG version at the end of this slide show16:23
iheartubuntuas you can see in the graphic, I touched on some quick points about Ubuntu, then gave a more descriptive text about Ubuntu and included a short weblink and a QR code to so people with smartphones on the go could find us easily16:24
iheartubuntui posted these all around a couple of local universities16:24
iheartubuntu[Slide 5]16:25
iheartubuntuExpanding Ubuntu Hours16:25
iheartubuntuif you've enjoyed learning and chatting with others, try expanding16:25
iheartubuntusee what worked and failed while setting up the first Ubuntu Hour16:25
iheartubuntupick a different part of town with easy access (bike, car, bus, train)16:26
iheartubuntuRight now I'm considering an Ubuntu Hour at a central train station here in Los Angeles16:26
iheartubuntuanyone want to help?? :)16:26
iheartubuntustagger the Ubuntu Hours on the calendar (maybe two weeks apart)16:27
iheartubuntuso for example... we hold one ubuntu hour on the 2nd thursday of every month. maybe start another one in another location on the 4th thursday of the month16:28
iheartubuntuif starting only one ubuntu hour is enough for you, hey thats OK... we all have jobs, families and life to attend to first16:28
iheartubuntucontinue to spread the power of the Ubuntu operating system and the message of “Humanity Towards Others”16:29
iheartubuntucreating an Ubuntu Hour is fun and easy and most anyone can do it!16:29
iheartubuntu[Slide 6}16:29
iheartubuntu[Slide 6]16:29
iheartubuntuThat wraps this up. There are links to this PDF slideshow and example of the flyer in both PDG and SVG formats16:30
iheartubuntuIm here for the next 30 min for any questions or brainstorming Ubuntu Hours. It really is great fun to get one started16:31
iheartubuntuUbunut Hours are a great place to network and build friendships as well16:32
ClassBotpleia2 asked: What if no one shows up?16:33
iheartubuntuIf nobody shows up, you can relish in the blueberry muffin and iced latte with whip cream on top as you surf the web on your Ubuntu computer16:34
iheartubuntuHaving a few Ubuntu CDs to hand out is a simple way to spread the word16:34
iheartubuntuYou can order packs of Ubuntu CDs from the Ubuntu Store here: http://shop.ubuntu.com/16:36
iheartubuntuOr like most people do, they burn discs and bring with them16:37
ClassBotbobweaver asked: when dealing with smaller shops that you are giving live cd's too where is the best place too get docs for ubuntu support ?16:38
iheartubuntuHaving an Ubuntu lanyard  or some official Ubuntu discs in my experience gets people talking to you.16:38
iheartubuntuI would first direct them to the Ubuntu website. From there they can find all sorts of help. From free community support like the forums to paid support from Canonical16:39
iheartubuntuI always stress the importance of the forums and also recommend Ask Ubuntu http://www.askubuntu.com16:40
iheartubuntuAsk Ubuntu is great for quick answers and whats nice you too can contribute to Ask Ubuntu once your knowledge grows16:42
ClassBotpleia2 asked: Have you ever used sites like spreadubuntu.org to find information and things to give out at Ubuntu Hours?16:43
iheartubuntuIn fact I have used Spread Ubuntu. Its a great website with graphics and more for spreading Ubuntu16:44
iheartubuntuthere are cd labels you can download from there and print out16:46
iheartubuntuposters, flyers, you name it16:46
iheartubuntuIm here answering any questions you might have about setting up and maintaining Ubuntu Hours. Feel free to ask questions16:48
iheartubuntuThe PDF for this slide show "Starting Maintaining and Expanding Ubuntu Hours" can be found here: http://ubuntuone.com/0XMCTRVPFeAU9tiQOFah2C16:49
ClassBotquixotedon asked: I found out that in my country, people are more used to meet online not offline, any suggestion??16:50
ClassBotThere are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.16:50
iheartubuntuMeeting online is still a great place16:53
iheartubuntuYou can meet up at any time online, dont need to get dressed, dont need to spend money on travel or food. It still works quite well16:53
iheartubuntuAnd you can create a virtual Ubuntu Hour in much the same way as a traditional one16:53
iheartubuntuInstead of an actual location, direct people to your loco team IRC chat room for example16:54
iheartubuntuIn fact.... Ubuntu loco team IRC chats are 24 hour 7 days a week non stop Ubuntu Hours really16:55
ClassBotThere are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.16:55
iheartubuntuyou can pop in to an IRC at any time, leave at any time. ask questions, answer questions, have a good time. Its not much different than a meet up Ubuntu Hour16:56
iheartubuntuBefore my time is up here, I'd like to recommend the Lernid program that you can install from the Ubuntu Software Center16:56
iheartubuntuLernid is a great little program for accessing these Ubuntu classes16:57
iheartubuntuIn one app, it nicely features the classroom talk, the classroom chat as well as every time the instructor pastes a link the Lernid program will show the link16:57
iheartubuntuevery time there is a new slide in the slideshow (if a slideshow is available) it will advance to the next slide. It really is a handy program and makes the learning experience even more enjoyable16:58
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* Cheesehead taps the microphone17:00
ClassBotLogs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/03/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.17:00
Cheeseheadiheartubuntu: Thanks for a great session on Ubuntu Hours!17:01
CheeseheadMy name is Ian Weisser, and I am here to talk about Brainstorm: Great ideas to improve Ubuntu17:01
CheeseheadFeel free to throw some questions out in #ubuntu-classroom-chat (QUESTION: ) while I talk a moment about Brainstorm and it's place in the Ubuntu community.17:01
CheeseheadI promise this will be short...17:01
CheeseheadUbuntu Brainstorm ( http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com ) is a place for people to post their ideas about Ubuntu.17:02
CheeseheadThey can be promoted/demoted, and the most popular are reviewed by the Ubuntu developers.17:02
CheeseheadBrainstorm is one of the many good ways to contribute to the Ubuntu community.17:02
* Cheesehead pauses for breath17:02
CheeseheadBrainstorm opened in February 2008.17:03
CheeseheadWay back then, there was a lot of grumbling in the community. Users grumbled that their feedback was ignored. Developers grumbled that feedback was swamping them.17:03
CheeseheadBrainstorm was one of many solutions to address those issues. Other solutions have appeared since, and more solutions appear (and disappear) every cycle.17:03
CheeseheadThat's healthy. A vibrant community is supposed to try lots of new things.17:03
CheeseheadThat's the end of the history lesson.17:03
Cheesehead 17:04
CheeseheadSo, you have identified an improvement. What do you do? Where do you go?17:04
CheeseheadBrainstorm exists to help you figure out those two questions.17:04
CheeseheadQuite honestly...17:04
* Cheesehead glances from side to side and lowers his voice17:04
Cheesehead...usually the best way to get an idea implemented is to get involved with the appropriate team or project.17:05
CheeseheadPeople tend to listen to those they associate with (and therefore trust) more than strangers. Developers are people. If you want your idea to get attention, be involved instead of a stranger.17:05
CheeseheadIf there is no appropriate team...well, the idea is probably appropriate for Brainstorm.17:05
Cheesehead 17:05
CheeseheadThere we go. 55 minutes for questions...17:05
* Cheesehead gets prodded to say more17:08
CheeseheadWe currently receive about 6,000 ideas a year.17:08
CheeseheadThat's a lot.17:08
CheeseheadWe currently receive about 6,000 ideas a year.17:08
CheeseheadWait...I said that17:08
CheeseheadEvery idea goes through a review-and-approval before opening to votes.17:09
CheeseheadThat review-and-approval process is really important - I'll talk more about that in few minutes.17:09
ClassBotiheartubuntu2 asked: ​ does anything ever get implemented from Brainstorm?17:09
CheeseheadAh, the real question everyone wants to know!17:09
CheeseheadThe answer is: Yes...but17:10
CheeseheadIf you look through old ideas, many have since been implemented.17:10
CheeseheadSome implemented directly as a result of the Brainstorm Idea17:10
CheeseheadOthers along a parallel path becasue great-minds-think-alike17:11
CheeseheadOthers becasue the project already planned to do it17:11
CheeseheadAnd some are oblique...17:11
CheeseheadThree years ago, we had a flood of "Improve Gnome2" ideas17:11
CheeseheadWell, now we have Unity, which was designed to improve upon Gnome217:12
CheeseheadDoes that mean some of those ideas count as implemented by Unity?17:12
CheeseheadSome yes, some no.17:12
CheeseheadNow for the *other* real question everyone wants to know:17:13
Cheesehead"Will MY idea get implemented?"17:13
CheeseheadRemeber those 6000 ideas each year?17:13
CheeseheadAround 600-700 ideas will be opened to votes and comments this year.17:13
CheeseheadFinally, the top 20 ideas get reviewed by the Ubuntu Technical Board (UTB). 10 every six months.17:13
CheeseheadAt first glance, a 3% selection rate by UTB doesn't seem great.17:14
CheeseheadBut remember, that's just *one* avenue for getting the idea implemented! (The one that publishes results).17:14
CheeseheadAlso, remember that Brainstorm may not be the best venue for your idea if an existing team or project already covers that subject.17:14
CheeseheadYou can pretty much bank on the UTB not picking up anything that a subordinate team handles17:15
CheeseheadOr that an upstream project handles.17:15
CheeseheadBut that team might pick it up separately, or that project might.17:15
CheeseheadAnd you can really improve your chances by...not being a stranger to them.17:16
* Cheesehead sees that there is a theme here17:16
ClassBotiheartubuntu2 asked: ​ What other interesting statistics can you provide regarding Ubuntu Brainstorm?17:17
CheeseheadWhoa...there are two of you?17:17
CheeseheadThat 6000 -> 600 -> 20 is really the key. It tells half of the important story.17:18
Cheesehead"The important story" is, of course, "How do I get MY ideas implemented"17:18
CheeseheadIf you're a stranger and rely upon Brainstorm to prod other community members into doing things for you...then your chance of success is low.17:19
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CheeseheadThere simply isn't a roomfull of coding monkey sitting around, waiting to start jamming on the next idea.17:19
CheeseheadDoesn't exist. I wish it did, but it doesn't.17:20
Cheesehead(And their code quality would be awful anyway. Every time I ask a roomful of monkeys to produce anything they just fling feces at me and type a lot of Shakespeare)17:20
CheeseheadWe've had over 200,000 ideas since 2008...although that's actually a quite misleading statistic.17:21
CheeseheadWe've had over 200,000 submissions, but of course 90% of those are bugs, rants, and other non-ideas.17:21
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CheeseheadMuch of what we do is help point users toward the bug tracker or other appropriate venues.17:22
CheeseheadIf you're not sure if it's a bug, go ahead and posit it on Brainstorm. When we close a bug, we're nice about it.17:22
* Cheesehead checks the scrollback17:24
CheeseheadWell, it bears repeating: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com17:24
ClassBotiheartubuntu2 asked: ​ Will Ubuntu Brainstorm get the new fresh website look soon? It still feels like 200817:25
CheeseheadWell, 2008 wasn't so long ago.17:25
CheeseheadI've been driving the same car for 14 years. 2008 was just 4 years ago.17:26
CheeseheadI have stale food wrappers in that car older than that...17:26
* Cheesehead does *not* really have a trashed car17:26
CheeseheadThe real answer:17:27
CheeseheadIf a volunteer wants to come on board and renovate the appearance of our Drupal module, they are wholly welcome.17:27
CheeseheadIn other words, I'm unlikely to do it, nor are any of the current volunteers.17:27
ClassBotJacobS asked: How often is Brainstorm checked by developers?\17:28
CheeseheadVarious teams and projects: Fairly often...though they don't check in with us.17:28
CheeseheadIf you're *not* a developer, but involved with a team or project, you can always liason between Brainstorm and the project.17:29
CheeseheadMore communication tends to make everyone involved happier.17:29
CheeseheadThe top 20 ideas get reviewed by the Ubuntu Technical Board (UTB). 10 every six months.17:30
CheeseheadRemember that Ubuntu is NOT a top-down hierarchy, and implementing Ideas is not the UTB's job anyway.17:30
CheeseheadAnd 'Reviewed' by developers is not a guarantee of implementation. They may take pieces of it, or reject it outright.17:31
CheeseheadOne of the more common responses from Developers in 2009-2010 was "Hey, that's a great idea. You should work on that."17:31
ClassBotpleia2 asked: is the code for the drupal module available somewhere (launchpad?) if a volunteer did want to update the look?17:32
CheeseheadOoh, great question. There's a link to the Ideatorrent code at the bottom of every Brainstorm page.17:33
CheeseheadIf you want to revamp the live version currently running on Canonical's servers, then of course you'll need to build a test version first from Ideatorrent.17:34
ClassBotJacobS asked: And how hard is it to get rights to edit it?17:35
CheeseheadTo build a test version? You have rights to it now. Everyone in the world does.17:36
CheeseheadTo upload the stable version up to Canonical? That's my decision, generally.17:37
ClassBotpleia2 asked: Is the current theme available somewhere too?17:38
CheeseheadThe current theme should be part of the module.17:38
CheeseheadIf it's missing or different, please let me know...becasue that means the elves have been busy again and I'll need to spray for that.17:39
* Cheesehead thinks it's time to change the subject to UNITY17:40
CheeseheadWe get a lot of Unity ideas.17:40
CheeseheadI'll say that again:17:40
CheeseheadWe get a lot of Unity ideas.17:40
CheeseheadTwo years ago it was Gnome ideas17:41
CheeseheadThree years ago is was printing and audio17:41
CheeseheadTwo years from now it will be something different.17:41
CheeseheadBut Today it's Unity Ideas.17:41
CheeseheadHow can you improve Unity using Brainstorm?17:42
CheeseheadAnswer: Get involved with Unity development and design.17:42
CheeseheadA very good explanation of how to get involved is at17:43
Cheeseheadhttp://design.canonical.com/2012/02/the-unity-design-process-and-how-you-can-play-a-part-in-it/ .17:43
CheeseheadThis is one of those examples where an existing team is already covering the territory.17:43
CheeseheadIn this case, sending the idea to Brainstorm is sidetracking it.17:44
CheeseheadLike complaining to the mail carrier about your water bill.17:44
CheeseheadSure, she carried the bill to you...but why not just ring the water company to discuss it directly?17:44
CheeseheadSo the next obvious question is....17:45
Cheesehead"If everything should go directly to the owning team or project, then what's left for Brainstorm?"17:46
Cheesehead"Yeah, cheesehead, what good is it?"17:46
CheeseheadWhoa, everyone calm down17:46
CheeseheadBrainstorm gets about 600 of those leftover ideas each year.17:47
CheeseheadThere's not a team or project for everything.17:47
CheeseheadNot yet...17:47
CheeseheadAnd for those multidisciplinary or conceptual or miscellaneous ideas, Brainstorm is waiting.17:48
CheeseheadFar out, man.17:48
ClassBotJacobS asked: So then were are we able to discus directly with the teams that are designing Unity?17:49
CheeseheadFirst, realize that to talk effectively to them, you must speak their jargon.17:49
Cheeseheadhttp://design.canonical.com/2012/02/the-unity-design-process-and-how-you-can-play-a-part-in-it/ tells you the structure they use.17:50
CheeseheadIf you don't use it, they may be less inclined to listen.17:50
ClassBotThere are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.17:50
* Cheesehead shakes his fist at Classbot, then changes his mind and embraces Classbot.17:51
CheeseheadUnity is a big, professionally-managed project with a lot of moving pieces.17:52
CheeseheadIf you think their communications are hard to parse...then perhaps they need volunteer help to get the word out, to liason more with the community, to translate between our jargon and their jargon.17:53
CheeseheadOr there may be better solutions...17:53
CheeseheadOr that may not be the problem at all.17:54
CheeseheadMuch of what we do in Brainstorm is cahllenge the assumptions of a problem.17:54
Cheeseheadchallenge, even.17:54
CheeseheadFor example, seven or eight times a year, we'll get an idea that "The reason Ubuntu hasn't taken off in <market> is becasue of the lack of ,killer app>"17:55
CheeseheadAnd this is often demonstrably false.17:55
ClassBotThere are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.17:55
CheeseheadMom! ClassBot is teasing me again!17:56
CheeseheadAnyway, if we can knock false assumptions out of a problem, we can help the submitter determine if it's really a problem at all.17:57
CheeseheadOr worth solving.17:57
CheeseheadGenerally, the result is a stronger, better Idea.17:57
* Cheesehead takes a canape from the snack cart17:57
CheeseheadPending any further questions, thanks everyone for participating. We'll pick up tomorrow at 1300 UTC with jokerdino's session on How To Use AskUbuntu.17:59
* Cheesehead waves adieu17:59
ClassBotLogs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/03/%23ubuntu-classroom.html18:00
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rydewhat are ppls thoughts on the new version of ubuntu and deploying it ina  work environment?20:18
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crep4everHi, is this too late for people talking about how to submit apps on ubuntu software center ?22:10
Daekdroom /topic22:12
Daekdroomcrep4ever, the log is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek22:14
crep4everthanks a lot22:14
crep4evermuch appreciated22:14

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