[06:28] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:06] <DJones> Morning everybody
[07:07] <smittix> Morning DJones
[07:08] <DJones> Hi smittix
[07:34] <popey> mng
[07:36] <DJones> Morning popey
[07:42] <DJones> Is this an early start for you, or a late going to bed
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:04] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[08:06] <MooDoo> morning Knightwise how goes it
[08:20] <dwatkins> I appear to be able to use Amazon's cloud drive now as well as Google's.
[08:21] <daubers> Morning
[08:21] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[08:27] <daubers> No power again this morning \o/
[08:30] <MooDoo> yay :S
[08:31] <dwatkins> I wonder how long it will be before this is a widespread problem.
[08:31] <dwatkins> are you in a remote location, daubers, or does the building just have wiring issues?
[09:13] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:16] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:17] <oimon> seeing more reports of hard freezes in 12.04. i've have some myself on 2 different machines :-\
[09:19] <ali1234> what hardware?
[09:20] <oimon> intel based dell laptop , and nvidia graphics on a HP
[09:20] <oimon> core2duo
[09:20] <oimon> usualy when clicking on the launcher
[09:21] <oimon> but reisub didn't work for me last night
[09:21] <oimon> quite hard to file bugs about it
[09:25] <daubers> dwatkins: It's an underground wire fault in the area. Quite hard to track down
[09:25] <dwatkins> daubers: ah, not good
[09:26] <gordonjcp> daubers: TDR, tone injector and probe...
[09:27] <dwatkins> I thought you could only do that for low voltage cables, such as telephone cables
[09:30] <daubers> gordonjcp: No idea :) I know they where out sniffing for it a couple of times when it's gone
[09:30] <ali1234> dwatkins: if the power is out, it;s 0v...
[09:31] <dwatkins> ali1234: very true, I would be concerned about frying an expensive device that's meant for testing ethernet/telephone cables on a mains circuit
[09:31] <AlanBell> we can haz office :)
[09:32] <ali1234> well i would expect they have a custom device
[09:35] <dwatkins> yeah, a trained badger ;)
[09:51] <christel> AlanBell: DO TELL
[09:51] <christel> (tell me all the things, particularly whether it has room for me and popey!)
[09:51] <christel> ;)
[09:54] <christel> (and hooray, congrats, etc)
[09:59] <MooDoo> hehe it's always good catching up with Amber Grainer :D
[10:07] <davmor2> morning all
[10:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: you rock god, how the devil are you!
[10:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: Pain easing but still there other than that sound as a round pound on the ground, you?
[10:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: cracking mate, just spoke to amber grainer, she a good egg :)
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yeah she's a lot of fun
[10:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: yup
[10:13] <DJones> \o/ Work related task for the day, look at laptops on the internet and get prices/specification....Its a hard life :)
[10:27] <ging_> on a fresh install of unity does it put the close and minmise buttons on the left not the right?
[10:27] <DJones> ging_: I'm not sure, although I think that might be the default theme
[10:27] <ging_> why am i ging_ ?
[10:28] <DJones> You have a tail :)
[10:28] <gordonjcp> is there a way to exclude dependencies when  installing something with apt?
[10:28] <gordonjcp> the jackd package in Ubuntu has some silly superfluous deps
[10:28] <ging> my buttons are on the right and i can't find an option to move them left
[10:29] <gordonjcp> ging: it's a thing you change in gconf-editor
[10:29] <DJones> ging: Which theme are you using? I think its only Ambience and Radiance that do that
[10:30] <ging> gordonjcp: is itunder unity shell?
[10:31] <AlanBell> christel: in the granary, behind sugarcraft
[10:31] <AlanBell> near the statin
[10:31] <AlanBell> station
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not much room for "hangers-on" though...
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'd call it small but perfectly formed.
[10:32] <AlanBell> it is *nice*
[10:33] <christel> cool :)
[10:37] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: tsk tsk!
[10:38] <AlanBell> apparently we can upgrade it to a bigger one at some point
[10:42] <czajkowski> AlanBell: TheOpenSourcerer well done
[10:43] <czajkowski> dont forget oggcamp 12 is live, http://oggcamp.org/  dont forget to register
[10:45] <MooDoo> yay oggcamp
[10:45] <czajkowski> MooDoo: will you be showing up ?
[10:45] <MooDoo> czajkowski: hopefully, i'm on the crew mailing list, want to get involved with that.
[10:45] <czajkowski> great :)
[10:47] <christel> AlanBell: that is nifty should you get more people onboard :)
[10:49] <christel> the limited pictures i can see online look good! i am glad you found something a bit more modern!
[10:51] <AlanBell> there is a meeting room and we have been told we can have a party in it :)
[10:52] <christel> haha
[10:53] <christel> a moving office party? ;)
[10:53] <AlanBell> it isn't really right for a big party as such
[10:53] <AlanBell> maybe an installfest or something
[10:54] <AlanBell> must check out the Waverley Arms
[10:54] <AlanBell> http://www.wadhamandisherwood.co.uk/find-a-property/property2.php?id=5631
[10:55] <Myrtti> :-D
[10:55] <AlanBell> it is the door on the left http://www.wadhamandisherwood.co.uk/uploaded-files/property/5631/images/3680/property-detail.jpg
[10:55] <christel> how much are you ending up paying for it?
[10:55] <AlanBell> £460/month ish
[10:56] <czajkowski> MooDoo: what tool do you use for the daily thingy you do
[10:56] <christel> *nod*
[10:57] <christel> incl. rates etc?
[10:57] <AlanBell> quite a lot per sqare foot but that is all inclusive
[10:57] <AlanBell> and it is *nice*
[10:57] <czajkowski> nice indeed
[10:57] <work-experience> hi
[10:58] <AlanBell> hi work-experience
[10:58] <work-experience> are you from ?
[10:58] <Myrtti> AlanBell: congrats, looks good
[10:58] <christel> AlanBell: sounds good!
[10:58] <work-experience> hi
[10:59] <MooDoo> czajkowski: the fedora paper?
[10:59] <czajkowski> yes
[10:59] <czajkowski> what tool?
[10:59] <MooDoo> http://paper.li/
[10:59] <czajkowski> paper.li?
[10:59] <czajkowski> bah
[10:59] <czajkowski> looking for an alternative
[11:00] <czajkowski> MooDoo: cheers
[11:00] <MooDoo> czajkowski: http://alternativeto.net/software/paperli/ this help?
[11:00] <MooDoo> hmm actually maybe not
[11:01] <MooDoo> i really should stop that paper lol
[11:01] <czajkowski> MooDoo: oh handy
[11:13] <oimon> anyone got wine installed in precise?
[11:14] <diplo> oimon, yep
[11:14] <oimon> diplo, care to confirm something for me please?
[11:15] <diplo> Shoot
[11:15] <oimon> open dash, type notepad. drag notepad to launcher, and run notepad.
[11:15] <diplo> OK
[11:15] <oimon> does the arrow appear next to notepad?
[11:16] <diplo> Yep
[11:16] <oimon> now close note pad and try running it from launcher
[11:16] <yothsoggoth> oimon: Does for me, too
[11:16] <yothsoggoth> oimon: arrows still appear
[11:16] <oimon> 64-bit precise?
[11:16] <diplo> Arrow doesn'tappear second time
[11:16] <oimon> diplo. ok now minimise notepad
[11:16] <yothsoggoth> 32-bit here
[11:17] <diplo> OK, minimised
[11:17] <oimon> diplo, now try to get it back
[11:17] <oimon> try alt-tab
[11:17] <oimon> you now have a running app you can't get back
[11:18] <oimon> now we try to find someone who cares :D
[11:18] <diplo> Yep, I already have another wine app thats running
[11:18] <diplo> that always shows in alt tab
[11:18] <oimon> which?
[11:18] <diplo> oimon, can get back with Super + W
[11:18] <oimon> picasa and notepad aren't showing
[11:18] <diplo> SQLYog
[11:18] <yothsoggoth> it shows fine in alt-tab in 32-bit Precise, for me
[11:18] <diplo> Mysql db app
[11:18] <oimon> yothsoggoth, strange. i'd like to try with any other ppl running 32/64 variants
[11:19] <diplo> I'm 32bit btw as well
[11:19] <MooDoo> sigh fedora do pick some sad codenames :S F18 - Spherical Cow :S
[11:19] <oimon> definitely doesn't show in alt-tab
[11:19] <diplo> yeah Wine icon disappeared from alt-tab now i've closed yog
[11:19] <diplo> But notepad still open
[11:20] <oimon> diplo, yeah so you have same bug
[11:20] <diplo> Record it like popey does oimon ?
[11:20] <oimon> there is a bug 704187, which predates 12.04 but is the most similar
[11:20] <oimon> but assignee->nobody now :(
[11:21] <yothsoggoth> MooDoo: Yeah, some of their older names are pretty cool, then stuff like Beefy Miracle and Spherical Cow ¬¬
[11:21] <oimon> serious issue for my wife running some wine apps, and for me too
[11:21] <MooDoo> yothsoggoth: then again ubuntu's aren't brilliant, after q i axpect r to be totally unprenounsable lol
[11:22] <oimon> gord assigned jason smith to it, but now it's unassigned
[11:22] <yothsoggoth> MooDoo: Yeah, Quantal Quetzal's already pretty difficult, doesn't exactly roll off the tongue does it lol
[11:23] <oimon> ah, maybe that's just bamf (whatever that is)
[11:23] <oimon> diplo, can you "affects me" on that bug too pls,
[11:24] <MooDoo> yothsoggoth: next one will be ranunculaceous racoon ;)
[11:24] <yothsoggoth> MooDoo: Spherical Cow isn't looking too bad now eh?
[11:24] <MooDoo> lol
[11:26] <oimon> i said i would use beefy miracle if they called it that.
[11:26] <MooDoo> some nice sponsors of the UDS :)
[11:26] <diplo> oimon, Simon?
[11:26]  * christel sponsors MooDoo 
[11:26] <oimon> :P
[11:27] <oimon> say simon in a high voice
[11:27] <diplo> I may create a video and attach it to it, been meaning to try it out for months
[11:27] <oimon> kazam ?
[11:27] <diplo> But before that I'm going home to get some lunch
[11:27] <diplo> Yah
[11:27] <MooDoo> christel: oh christel stop making me fall for you ;) lol <3
[11:27] <oimon> kazam is an example of a program to do a simple task done well
[11:28] <oimon> i'm amazed nobody wrote a twitter app to do twitter well
[11:28] <christel> hahaha
[11:28] <christel> <3
[11:28] <MooDoo> :)
[11:28] <christel> there goes my plan of buttering you up to come help me assemble some furniture...
[11:28] <oimon> my best experience of getting bugs fixed is show them to popey, then they magically get fixed
[11:28] <christel> i'll have to try my luck on AlanBell next!
[11:29] <MooDoo> christel: i'm other end of the country am i not
[11:29] <christel> true :(
[11:29] <christel> my other half is completely useless at anything practical
[11:29] <christel> he took 6 days off work to "help pack before we move"
[11:29] <MooDoo> christel: if i were closer obviously i'd have jumped at the chance to be in your presence ;)
[11:29] <AlanBell> gosh
[11:29] <christel> in those 6 days he managed to pack ONE box of dvds..
[11:29] <MooDoo> wow
[11:30]  * AlanBell reads back for context
[11:30] <jussi> christel: Ill assemble all the furniture you want if you pay for my ticket there :D
[11:30] <christel> jussi: deal!
[11:31] <jussi> cool, send the the details :D
[11:31] <MooDoo> christel: you should of had a packing party )
[11:31] <christel> tell me when you're free! hehe
[11:31] <christel> MooDoo: ooh good thinking!
[11:31] <jussi> christel: oh, you also have to provide me with a corner to sleep in :D
[11:31] <jussi> christel: now.  :)
[11:31] <christel> that i can do!
[11:40] <MooDoo> any one else here going to ogg camp?
[11:40]  * BigRedS is pondering it
[11:41]  * gordonjcp is
[11:43] <DJones> I may have a visit as its only down the road, but busy time with cousins wedding, birthdays and holidays in August, so may not get the chance
[11:58] <christel> MooDoo: i am debating it!
[11:58] <christel> AlanBell: are you going?
[11:59] <AlanBell> no, can't really this time
[11:59] <christel> *nod*
[12:00] <MooDoo> christel: <3 :)
[12:01] <christel> i think i might do, the boys would benefit from a weekend of bonding i am sure!
[12:03] <MooDoo> christel: i'll le tou buy me and others beer :)
[12:03] <BigRedS> Hm. I need suggestions for another hostname in a theme
[12:04] <christel> MooDoo: how very kind of you ;)
[12:04] <BigRedS> I've already got amazing, fantastic, brilliant and awesome
[12:04] <AlanBell> superlative
[12:05] <MooDoo> christel: always thinking of you  :) lol
[12:05] <BigRedS> nah, that's their subdomain
[12:06] <AlanBell> exquisite
[12:06] <AlanBell> splendiferous
[12:06] <BigRedS> oooh, that'll do
[12:17] <andylockran> ³²±¶õ±éçéñäèéèäïêäé𰰭°ì²ëï÷êäÎÎÎÎÎîîîîî²q
[12:17] <andylockran> sorry
[12:18] <andylockran> messing with some keyboard shortcuts
[12:47] <MooDoo> yummy beans on toast
[12:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes it was MooDoo
[12:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> With curry and chilli powders
[12:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[12:48] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: i've got some hot chillies i have on everything, my tastebuds are now shot lol
[13:14] <dogmatic69> I broke the paste bin http://paste.ubuntu.com/964595/
[13:14] <dogmatic69> :/
[13:16] <AlanBell> wrap would be nice
[13:18] <dogmatic69> it is kinda bad as pastebinit now uses that.
[13:19] <AlanBell> it does by default, which is normally good
[13:19] <AlanBell> the wrapping needs fixing really
[13:19] <ali1234> no spaces at all?
[13:20] <AlanBell> there are spaces
[13:20] <AlanBell> it is in a <pre>
[13:23] <AlanBell> to be fair that is not going to look pretty under any circumstances
[13:24] <ali1234> http://jsbeautifier.org/
[13:24] <ali1234> nope, still looks awful
[13:24] <BigRedS> do pastebins normally want to wrap?
[13:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone got any recommendation for a kbd/mouse bundle to use with a laptop (Ubuntu)?
[13:25] <DJones> If anybody has a joggler, O2 is dropping support at the end of the month http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/03/o2_drops_support_for_joggler_family_tablet/
[13:25] <ali1234> is that... a hash of functions?
[13:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh no! I have a Joggler - somewhere...
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool - Logitech's kbd/mouse says Windows & Linux 2.6 kernel or later :-)
[13:34] <sagaci> TheOpenSourcerer: kernel 3.x should work pretty well then
[13:35] <sagaci> wonder how long it will take for items to stipulate 3.x and later
[13:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Any thoughts on wired kbd/mouse vs wireless?
[13:35] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I use a Logitech M505 wireless mouse on UBuntu without any issues
[13:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a Logitech Performance Mouse here - It's great. But I want something for the (new) office to use with my lappy.
[13:37] <DJones> I find a wireless mouse is a lot better than a wired one with a laptop, no matter whether you've got the laptop on your lap, on a desk, to your side etc, you don't have to worry about cables getting in the way
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure about wireless/wired and whether it's better to go for a separate kbd & mouse.
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - I can't quite understand why I'd want a wireless kbd somehow.
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> MOuse yes.
[13:41] <MooDoo> i use the microsoft wireless keyboard and mount, seems ok for me.
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is what I have at home - the dogs danglies: http://www.ebuyer.com/172750-logitech-performance-mouse-mx-with-darkfield-laser-tracking-usb-with-nano-910-001121
[13:49] <sunday> \pyramid
[13:53] <MooDoo> pyramid
[13:53] <MooDoo> ?
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's like a 3d triangle
[13:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> but with a square base
[13:54] <MooDoo> i know that lol quite a random statement unless i've missed the conversation :D
[14:06] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: surely you're more likely to lose a wireless mouse than keyboard?
[14:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno - I don't tend to lose much.
[14:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wireless mice are good - they move much more freely.
[14:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> But cheap ones aren't too hot - can be slow, short battery cycle etc.
[14:09] <AlanBell> I like my little red logitech mouse
[14:09] <AlanBell> have not replaced the battery yet
[14:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> what model is that one?
[14:09] <AlanBell> M185
[14:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> does it have the thumb buttons for forward/back?
[14:10] <AlanBell> no it is a cheap basic one
[14:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK.
[14:10] <BigRedS> Ah, I use a trackball because it means I need a smaller area of tidy desk than for a mouse
[14:11] <BigRedS> which might explain how I lose mice
[14:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[14:23] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[14:23] <BigRedS> Hm. Thunderbird keeps dragging the system to a crawl and then exiting with error messages that are probably not all that useful
[14:23] <BigRedS> anyone know a way to run it with more info?
[14:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> BigRedS: You can run it from the cli and add -jsconsole to open the Error Console
[14:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> or -g starts it in the debugger
[14:27] <davmor2_> BigRedS: it is a huge memory/cpu hog while it does and initial import of mail
[14:27] <davmor2_> BigRedS: if it is crashing it should ask you to send a report
[14:27] <davmor2_> BigRedS: if it hasn't may I suggest you empty /var/crash and try it again
[14:31] <BigRedS> Ah, yeah, maybe it's just trying to download everything, running out of memory and crashing...
[14:31] <BigRedS> why can't these things be well-behaved?
[14:32] <brobostigon> any pages people can advise on setting up a mumble server ?
[14:32] <BigRedS> what I got earlier to terminal was this: http://pastebin.com/mMURV7s7 which I think isn't overly useful
[14:32] <BigRedS> 'techteam' is an imapfolder with several thousand messages in it
[14:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> several thousand doesn't seem like a lot.
[14:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Unless they all have large attachments
[14:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Most of my accounts in TB have tens of thousands of messages.
[14:41] <BigRedS> yeah, I've not seen TB have an issue with this mailbox before
[14:41] <BigRedS> but 'before' wasn't ubuntu :)
[14:41] <BigRedS> Is there some way to tell it to ignore old mail?
[14:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> might want to try on the #ubuntu-mozilla-team room (sorry that isn't the right name and Empathy doesn't give you a room list) :-(
[14:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Although most of them will probably be in California now.
[14:47] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[14:47] <BigRedS> it's #ubuntu-mozillateam
[14:47] <BigRedS> ta
[14:48] <BigRedS> (forgot there'd be a ubuntu-flavoured place to go)
[15:12] <popey> Morning!
[15:13]  * awilkins grunts incoherently
[15:18] <bigcalm> Good morning popey :)
[15:20] <MooDoo> hello popey
[15:36] <BigRedS> hm. Thunderbird takes longer to crash now that I have a swap file...
[15:36] <AlanBell> my raspberry pi has been dispatched
[15:36] <BigRedS> I might just create a 20GB one and leave it be overnight
[15:56] <davmor2_> popey: you in Oakland by any chance?
[15:56] <popey> yes
[15:57] <davmor2_> popey: slap gord a high 5 at some point
[15:57] <popey> are you american?
[15:57] <AlanBell> wonder if my raspberry pi will arrive in time to bring to UDS
[15:57] <popey> mine has just been shipped
[15:57] <AlanBell> popey: are there any HDMI monitors kicking about?
[15:57] <davmor2_> popey: No but when in rome.....
[15:58] <popey> in your room, yes
[15:58] <AlanBell> cool
[15:58] <AlanBell> if it turns up I will bring it
[15:58] <popey> uhm, if mine turns up, wanna go and get it from my house and bring it? ☺
[15:58] <AlanBell> yeah, OK
[15:59] <davmor2_> AlanBell: the correct answer to that is Yeah but it'll cost ya
[15:59] <davmor2_> AlanBell: you going to UDS too?
[15:59] <popey> ok, have asked clare to let me know when it comes
[16:00] <AlanBell> at heathrow "are you carrying anything belonging to someone else?" <snap of rubber gloves>
[16:00] <popey> ☺
[16:01] <davmor2_> AlanBell: Don't say yes I have a raspberry pie that'll be undisclosed food for starters :D
[16:02] <jpds> AlanBell: Better is the more philosophical one: "Could anyone have put anything in your luggage _without your knowledge_?"
[16:09] <bigcalm> 2 hours to go
[16:11] <popey> until?
[16:11] <davmor2_> bigcalm: till what?
[16:11] <bigcalm> The nexy Galaxy is unveiled
[16:12] <davmor2_> bigcalm: how do you know it will be nexy
[16:12] <popey> pfffft
[16:12]  * popey is waiting for ubuntu phone ☺
[16:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: google 'next galaxy'
[16:13] <bigcalm> Oops, next, not nexy
[16:13]  * bigcalm sighs and gets on with "stuff"
[16:27] <aquarius> who do I ping with ubuntnuforums questions, these days?
[16:29] <jpds> aquarius: #ubuntuforums ?
[16:29] <aquarius> there's a channel? ha!
[16:36] <BigRedS> haha
[16:46]  * awilkins contemplates death for the developer who copied hard-coded credential pairs into a user acceptance test config
[16:50]  * AlanBell has gnome-calculator running in wayland
[16:53] <davmor2_> yeah popey when that happening?
[17:00] <czajkowski> Laney: ping
[17:00] <Laney> hello czajkowski
[17:01] <czajkowski> Laney: the CC meeting is on now and reviewing all the CoC feedback
[17:01] <czajkowski> in case you're interested
[17:01] <Laney> aha
[17:01] <Laney> i thought it was friday for some reason
[17:01] <Laney> SLASH WINDOW FIFTEEN
[17:03] <czajkowski> lol
[17:03] <czajkowski> Laney: you're welcome
[17:03] <Laney> :-) cheers boss
[17:03]  * czajkowski dangles digestives and tea bags in front of gords
[17:03]  * czajkowski dangles digestives and tea bags in front of gord
[17:14] <davmor2_> czajkowski: I'm pretty sure that should be in the COC that you're not allowed to tease devs :P
[17:14] <czajkowski> I don't tease devs
[17:14] <czajkowski> I mearly bring tea to gord in the hope he makes hud nicer
[17:14] <czajkowski> granted so far this has failed
[17:14] <davmor2_> czajkowski: hud is nicer
[17:15] <davmor2_> it at least accepts whole words now
[17:16] <AlanBell> even if you type the whole words into a VM
[17:18] <zleap> hi
[17:26] <AlanBell> http://www.honeproperties.co.uk/available.php that is our new office
[17:28] <zleap> AlanBell, nice :)
[17:29] <popey> thats only two alans in size
[17:29] <popey> not nearly big enough
[17:29] <AlanBell> well it is a start
[17:30] <AlanBell> and we can move about within that building as stuff becomes available
[17:32] <bigcalm> Love how the page keeps refreshing itself as if there was more than one image to display
[17:33] <AlanBell> yeah, bit of a fail
[17:33] <AlanBell> there will be zero to display soon :)
[17:33] <bigcalm> Does it come with those 4:3 monitors and printer?
[17:34] <AlanBell> not sure!
[17:35] <AlanBell> it does come with the desks
[17:35] <bigcalm> They look ok
[17:35] <bigcalm> Well done on your office find :)
[17:35] <AlanBell> we just bought some desk voip phones and more monitors and stuff
[17:35] <bigcalm> Yay toys!
[17:38] <yothsoggoth> Does anyone here use a web-based password manager, such as LastPass?
[17:40] <popey> yes
[17:40] <popey> i do
[17:43] <bigcalm> I'm going to have to eat tea instead of watch Samsung Mobile Unpacked
[17:43]  * bigcalm grumbles
[17:43] <yothsoggoth> popey: What do you think of it? I'm considering signing up and getting Premium so I can use it on my phone, too.
[17:46] <ali1234> isn't that a bit of a pointless question? obviously he likes it or he wouldn't use it. and the rest of it probably don't think it is a good idea or we would...
[17:47] <ali1234> personally i think you are safer printing the passwords on a piece of paper and keeping it in your desk
[17:49] <yothsoggoth> true, but he might have had some things he disliked about it that he would've mentioned :P
[17:49] <yothsoggoth> To be honest, I'm thinking of doing it more out of laziness than security. My most important passwords I remember anyway, because i use them so often
[17:50] <yothsoggoth> it's just the general day-to-day passwords I tend to forget, or when I go back to something I haven't had to log onto for a while I find I've forgotten the password and lost the piece of paper I wrote it on or something
[17:54] <ali1234> i just use "recover password"
[17:57] <popey> YaManicK1ll: i love it
[17:58] <popey> the fact it supports yubikeys is cool
[18:45]  * Laney eyes halifax
[18:45] <Laney> this 4 minute wait is suspiciously long
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you know about gmail's "?" key showing all shortcut keys?
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: I just discovered it by accident!
[18:57] <popey> woah
[18:57] <popey> never seen that before
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: very Unityesque :)
[18:58] <popey> turns out its been there for 4 years
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> wow
[18:59] <ali1234> how do i actually use this?
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: what, keyboards?
[19:00] <ali1234> say i go to gmail .com and i wnt to read the first message in the inbox, what keys to i press?
[19:00] <popey> you need keyboard shortcuts switched on
[19:01] <popey> its an option
[19:01] <ali1234> ok. now what?
[19:02] <popey> press ?
[19:02] <popey> learn the keyboard shortcuts
[19:02] <popey> win
[19:02] <ali1234> i already did that
[19:02] <ali1234> it doesn't explain how to use it
[19:02] <popey> how to use what?
[19:02] <ali1234> gmail with keyboard
[19:02] <popey> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6594
[19:03] <ali1234> for example it says "p / n: previous next message"
[19:03] <ali1234> but when i press them nothing happens
[19:03] <popey> they work when in a message
[19:03] <ali1234> so how do i open a message?
[19:03] <popey> 20:02:51 < popey> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6594
[19:03] <ali1234> that's just the same thing!
[19:04] <popey> it answers your question
[19:04] <ali1234> no it doesn't
[19:04] <ali1234> no at all
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> You could apply some basic brainpower
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> and/or trial + error
[19:05] <ali1234> i'm applying trial and error and nothing does anything on the front page except enter to go to the first conversation
[19:05] <ali1234> and then i can't go to any others
[19:05] <ali1234> just go up and down inside that one
[19:05] <popey> it says j / k
[19:05] <ali1234> yeah they do nothing
[19:06] <popey> works for me
[19:06] <ali1234> and why use different keys to do the same thing on different screens?
[19:06] <ali1234> why not just use the arrow keys
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> jk are the same as in vi
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> it's up/down
[19:09] <popey> and mutt, and google reader
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> up/down inside a message means something else (probably browses the trhead)
[19:15] <davmor2_> popey: man keyboards are so old school when can I tell my computer what to do and just have it do it
[19:28]  * TheOpenSourcerer has just bought a Galaxy SIII and got a Galaxy Tab for free with it.
[19:28] <AlanBell> oooh
[19:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> CPW
[19:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> first 1000 customers.
[19:28] <AlanBell> cool
[19:28] <Azelphur> envy.
[19:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Going with Vodafone coz O2 annoyed me so much.
[19:29] <AlanBell> don't drop it
[19:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what, calls? :P
[19:30] <AlanBell> how big is the tab?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> 8 spaces
[19:31] <ali1234> 4 spaces!!
[19:31]  * AlanBell claps
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: 8!
[19:31] <ali1234> 4!
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> 8!
[19:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno
[19:31]  * AlanBell googles it instead
[19:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> It says worth ~£399 so I guess the 10" (DO they even make a small one?)
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> Aren't there 9001 variations of Galaxy Tab these days ;)
[19:31] <AlanBell> oh, there are three
[19:32] <AlanBell> http://www.samsung.com/uk/galaxytab/
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> or was that the Transformer?
[19:33] <AlanBell> I want the transformer infinity when it comes out (if there is a chance it will run Ubuntu at some point)
[19:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right. Time for a beer and some telly. Will see you at the station (near our new office) before 07:58 tomorrow AlanBell
[19:35] <AlanBell> ok
[20:09]  * MartijnVdS loves the Google Documents "comment" feature
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> Where you can comment on (parts of) a document
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> in conversations
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> and then mark them "resolved"
[20:18]  * bigcalm kicks the Rackspace portal up the bum
[20:19] <bigcalm> Work you silly thing!
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> but.. it doesn't WANT to!
[20:20] <dwatkins> bigcalm: threaten to switch to web-toast.co.uk (they're a pound a month)
[20:27] <bigcalm> Ooo, must be good
[20:32] <dwatkins> bigcalm: yeah, I imagine it's pretty basic and there's no support
[20:33] <dogmatic69> anyone know of half decent reseller hosting?
[20:35] <dwatkins> reselling what, the hosting itself, dogmatic69?
[20:35] <dogmatic69> I want to get a reseller account
[21:22] <Nafallo> have we got any electricians in this channel? :-)
[21:24] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I should do the course and become a qualified electrician in case I ever need to find work.
[21:24] <dwatkins> Nafallo: what level, on a scale of can-replace-a-plug to re-wired-my-own-house?
[21:26] <Nafallo> dwatkins: I'm trying to figure out if I can find a really flat cable, and still use it for TV / speakers / media player / dvd player / external hard drives etc...
[21:26] <Nafallo> the once I've found seems to be 2 core...
[21:26] <dwatkins> Nafallo: there's no reason a flat cable would perform any better, assuming it has enough of a surface area of copper to transmit the required current
[21:26] <Nafallo> ...which probably isn't awesome for the use case.
[21:26] <dwatkins> sounds like you have a mains cable
[21:27] <dwatkins> is this for putting under a carpet?
[21:27] <Nafallo> no, I'm rather worried about it being worse :-P
[21:27] <Nafallo> under a wardrobe door ;-)
[21:27] <Nafallo> if I can shut it, so much the better :-)
[21:27] <dwatkins> so long as it's not really thin cable you should be fine (if it's bell wire, it might heat up if you try to pass too much current, I think)
[21:28] <dwatkins> what do you mean by 'use it'? Mains? composite audio?
[21:28] <dwatkins> I mean composite? audio? etc.
[21:28] <Nafallo> mains :-)
[21:29] <Nafallo> no power socket inside the wardrobe
[21:29] <Nafallo> :-(
[21:31] <Myrtti> builtin wardrobe?
[21:31] <Nafallo> yeah
[21:31] <Myrtti> rental?
[21:31] <Myrtti> what kind of hinges does it have?
[21:32] <Nafallo> the safer alternative might be an extension that I just keep disconnecting when I want to close the doors
[21:33] <Nafallo> and house share, so yeah... rental
[21:33] <AlanBell> http://ubottu.com/ircc/ we can haz blog
[21:33] <Nafallo> hinges are not easily removable
[21:34] <AlanBell> gah, wrong channel
[21:34]  * popey pastes
[21:35]  * popey mass joins 18 channels
[21:36] <Myrtti> Nafallo: I was just thinking that you could unscrew the hinges a bit so the cable would fit better
[21:36] <Myrtti> depends on the hinges and doors tho
[21:39] <Nafallo> yeah, can't do that with these
[21:40] <Laney> I'm going to have to give in and watch Quantum of Solace before long
[21:40] <Laney> damn that Shuttleworth
[21:45] <Azelphur> does anyone know if thepiratebay is supposed to be blocked yet?
[21:45] <Azelphur> I can still access it
[21:45] <AlanBell> I think BT were considering appealing
[21:54] <aquarius> is blocked from virginmedia.
[21:57] <popey> Laney: you flying with BA to USA?
[21:57] <popey> it's one of the in flight movies
[21:58] <Laney> QUANTAL OF SOLACE
[21:58] <Laney> united, sadly
[21:58]  * AlanBell is flying BA to UDS
[21:58] <popey> eww
[21:58] <Laney> possibly sadly, no idea what they are like
[22:06] <mattt> evening evening
[22:07] <dogmatic69> there is a slight delay in terminal connected to a pc next to me. I think something on the fs is going crazy. any way to check?
[22:15] <dogmatic69> seems like 60% full disks was the problem :/
[22:15] <dogmatic69> cleared out some stuff and its find now
[22:52] <Azelphur> hmm, so this piratebay thing seems to have come on rather sudden, was we never given any chance to object?
[23:03] <shauno> probably not, as it's been done thru the courts rather than legislatively :/
[23:03] <Azelphur> :/
[23:03] <Azelphur> I'll just knock up a one click multi-OS bypass.
[23:03] <Azelphur> if I disappear, you know the feds got me
[23:04] <shauno> UK law is based heavily in case law, and this is basically a replay of the newzbin case
[23:04] <Azelphur> yay.
[23:07] <shauno> the pessimist in me wonders how long it'll be until they try to block foreign news services that are breaching superinjunctions.  once the mechanisms are in place, the ability to be silly with them gets more and more slippery
[23:09] <Azelphur> shauno: exactly, it's happend loads of times in other countries, we're screwed now
[23:14] <popey> meh
[23:20] <shauno> It's still a long way from here to there, but it's not unimaginable anymore. I pick the superinjunction example carefully because it just takes two concepts which already exist in UK law.