[01:00] <canthus13> thafreak: Haven't been using freenx in a while. it was banned at work. :/
[13:25] <andygraybeal_> morning
[13:33] <paultag> howdy
[13:44] <andygraybeal_> :)
[13:44] <andygraybeal_> heya paul
[13:54] <paultag> what's going on andygraybeal_
[13:55] <andygraybeal_> eh.. i'm going through and erasing all my tapes.
[13:55] <andygraybeal_> i need to redo my backup scenario
[13:58] <andygraybeal_> i'm normally here at 6am.. but today 8.30am
[13:59] <andygraybeal_> we got a rhubarb chipotle sauce at our restaurant, it's pretty tasty, sweet, tart and smoky...
[14:06] <paultag> mmm :)
[14:12] <andygraybeal_> yea, i had some for breakfast and rice and beans
[14:15] <andygraybeal_> everytime i talk about it, it seems that no one uses tapes anymore... i vow to never get rid of my tapes.
[14:16] <andygraybeal_> it might be a little BOFHish.. but i don't care.
[14:16] <andygraybeal_> i still rsync my shit offsite, and i move my tapes offsite once a month.
[14:24] <thafreak> canthus13: you console only now?
[14:24] <thafreak> from work at least
[14:24] <thafreak> p.s. Morning Ohio
[14:25] <thafreak> I have some tape drives at home...not very large, dds 4 I think, 20gb uncompressed
[14:26] <thafreak> course my dds4 drive is a single drive...so backing up everything would require quite a few tapes
[14:26] <thafreak> i haven't setup any software to use them yet though, was just using straight tar initially
[14:27] <thafreak> now my photo collection no longer fits on a single tape...(was the only thing I was really backing up)
[14:27] <thafreak> what backup software you using andygraybeal_ ?
[14:27] <andygraybeal_> i use bacula, thafreak
[14:27] <thafreak> I keep meaning to work on setting up bacula
[14:27] <thafreak> nice
[14:28] <thafreak> maybe one day I'll get it setup... :)
[14:28] <andygraybeal_> yea, when i started doing this.. i set my heart on learning AMANDA .. but omg.. that is reallyh complicated.
[14:28] <andygraybeal_> so Bacula, after a while, i could wrap my head around it.
[14:28] <thafreak> yeah...
[14:28] <thafreak> is it still mostly config file driven?
[14:28] <andygraybeal_> thafreak, i'm still running what came with 10.04 and yes, i do believe.
[14:29] <andygraybeal_> its like 3 or 4 files.. but once they are set, it' spretty handsfree after the tape swaps
[14:29] <thafreak> cool
[14:29] <thafreak> I wanted to look at doing virtual tapes too
[14:30] <thafreak> back up to a "virtual tape changer" (i.e. a directory somewhere), then back that up to tape...
[14:30] <andygraybeal_> get out of town, virtual tapes?
[14:30] <andygraybeal_> ah backup to a directory
[14:30] <thafreak> yeah, bacula supports emulating a tape changer
[14:30] <andygraybeal_> interesting
[14:30] <andygraybeal_> this page is godsend: http://workaround.org/bacula-cheatsheet
[14:31] <thafreak> it either goes to a directory, or maybe a disk device...i forget
[14:32] <andygraybeal_> i hang out in #bacula
[14:32] <andygraybeal_> they are pretty awesome
[14:33] <thafreak> nice, thanks for the link...saved it to evernote :)
[14:33] <andygraybeal_> yea for sure :)  it's nice to talk to someone else about it.
[14:33] <thafreak> but yeah, at work, we have no tape drives, and i don't know if I want to have them buy one...decent ones are still pretty pricey, even older ones
[14:34] <andygraybeal_> yea, it's very expensive, so is the media
[14:34] <thafreak> so i'm thinking i still want to use bacula, just with virtual tapes
[14:34] <andygraybeal_> i don't know what my problem is though.. i still love tapes.
[14:34] <thafreak> dds4 are really cheap, used on ebay atleast
[14:34] <andygraybeal_> i use dlt's
[14:34] <thafreak> tapes are cheapest really
[14:34] <thafreak> i think i have a dlt drive too...
[14:35] <andygraybeal_> dds4 never held much and i guess the motor burns out easier on the bigger tapes cause t hey are so heavy.. but don't quote me on this.. i smoke crack.
[14:35] <thafreak> lol...i went on a used tape drive buying spree on ebay
[14:35] <thafreak> i have a dlt drive and a dds3 changer...but i don't think I have appropriate scsi cables/cards for them
[14:35] <thafreak> so I don't even know if they work honestly
[14:36] <thafreak> i waste so much money on ebay...i buy old crap, that i never get around to using...$20-$50 here and there adds up over time
[14:36] <andygraybeal_> yea, i went for an SATA DLT drive from quantum
[14:36] <andygraybeal_> it might have been a bad choice, but so far it has worked for about 5  yrs now.
[14:36] <thafreak> i have like 2 ancient mac g3's, and several tape drives...
[14:37] <thafreak> you get it new or used?
[14:37] <andygraybeal_> i have voided the warranty if there was one on it to clean it... i don't know how the expect you to clean it without voiding the warranty
[14:37] <andygraybeal_> it was brand new.
[14:37] <thafreak> what size of tape does yours take?
[14:37] <andygraybeal_> i have one mac g3
[14:38] <andygraybeal_> mine takes the 160GB uncompress or 320 compressed
[14:38] <thafreak> I keep eyeballing older LTO-1 drives...hoping one day they'll be in my price range
[14:38] <thafreak> wow, that's bigger than the lto-1...
[14:38] <thafreak> i think I need to invest in a propper drive...
[14:43] <andygraybeal_> yea, something about it, it's probably all in my head though.  i prefer these tapes to rsync'd offsite transfers.. even though i do both.
[14:43] <andygraybeal_> it's what i grew up with
[14:43] <andygraybeal_> sometimes i wonder if i'm completely irrational, and at times.. i don't care if i am or not.
[14:45] <andygraybeal_> ah.. tape drive failure..
[14:45] <andygraybeal_> andy@buddleia:/dev$ mt -f st0 rewind && mt -f st0 weof && mt -f st0 rewind
[14:45] <andygraybeal_> mt: st0: rmtopen failed: Input/output error
[14:45] <andygraybeal_> andy@buddleia:/dev$ mt -f st0 rewind && mt -f st0 weof && mt -f st0 rewind
[14:45] <andygraybeal_> mt: st0: rmtopen failed: Read-only file system
[14:45] <andygraybeal_> andy@buddleia:/dev$
[14:45] <andygraybeal_> grrrr
[14:49] <andygraybeal_> says i need to shove a tape cleaner ni
[14:51] <thafreak> what were you saying about irrationality :)
[14:52] <andygraybeal_> :)
[14:52] <andygraybeal_> tape cleaner is in and cleaning.
[14:52] <andygraybeal_> ..... last time this happened.. i just took the damn drive apart and cleaned it myself
[14:54] <andygraybeal_> okay, retrying
[17:01] <andygraybeal_> okay, i give up, i gotta take the effer apart
[17:01] <andygraybeal_> but for this i have to wait till after hours.