[00:39] <aguitel> xubuntu 12.04 are using lightdm ?
[00:45] <GridCube> yes
[01:39] <Optichip> did a package just get released that prompts for all apt-get packages if they are not signed?
[01:45] <wab> Hello!
[01:45] <aquafina> hello
[01:45] <wab> How's it going?
[01:45] <aquafina> am upgrading to 12.04
[01:46] <aquafina> so watching things download :)
[01:46] <wab> haha I kind of like watching things download
[01:46] <wab> I just installed 12.04 as well. At first I tried to migrate from Ubuntu 10.10 or something, but my system was a mess.
[01:48] <wab> Does anyone have a second to answer some questions about the GUI in Xubuntu? I'm still confused about what the desktop environment program is, window manager, file browser, etc.
[01:48] <bazhang> thunar
[01:48] <aquafina> thunar is the file manager
[01:48] <wab> thunar is the file browser, right?
[01:48] <bazhang> xfce4  4.8
[01:48] <bazhang> yep
[01:48] <wab> ok and xfce4 is the desktop environment
[01:48] <wab> file browser = file manager?
[01:49] <bazhang> 4.10 is released but not in 12.04
[01:49] <aquafina> i am not sure what you mean by "file browser"
[01:49] <bazhang> thunar
[01:49] <wab> I suppose I'm using the wrong word. It sounds like it's just called a file manager.
[01:49] <bazhang> yep thats right
[01:50] <bazhang> you browse through you r files with it
[01:50] <wab> OK cool. So you know the shortcut key that gets underlined when you hold ALT in most window menus? I've heard of that as being called mnemonics.
[01:51] <wab> My question is if I can have those shown all the time.
[01:51] <wab> (i.e. without pressing ALT)
[01:55] <bazhang> whats the end goal
[01:57] <wab> Always have menu shortcuts underlined
[01:57] <wab> It is an option in Windows
[01:57] <aquafina> -.-
[01:58] <wab> Also if it isn't a simple option to change somewhere, I thought it might be a good learning adventure to try and modify the program to be able to do this.
[01:58] <aquafina> why do you want them shown all the time? so you can see what shortcut to use to activate a menu item?
[01:59] <t0rx__> can anyone help me with changing my graphics card driver? I have a Intel GMA3600 and I'm trying to get Compiz working.
[01:59] <wab> Yes
[02:00] <wab> It's one of those "not that useful, but should be able to do it" sort of things.
[02:00] <aquafina> dont think that is available as an option
[02:00] <aquafina> to turn on in all apps
[02:00] <aquafina> anyway. need to go grab something for breakfast.
[02:00] <wab> Enjoy!
[02:00] <wab> And thanks for the help
[03:33] <babababasss> hi folks
[04:37] <bmk1189> Hi. I'm using xubuntu 12.04 and I would like to know if there is a way to see multiple files properties with thunar. The "Properties" option is disabled when two or more files are selected
[04:40] <Unit193> Not that I know of, but don't use it all *that* much.
[04:41] <bmk1189> Mmm... thanks.
[05:08] <cem____> help
[05:10] <cem____> anybody can help
[05:10] <Unit193> Nope, we can't read minds.
[05:10] <Unit193> !ask
[05:13] <cem____> chromium download page http://i46.tinypic.com/2cp9u28.png
[05:14] <cem____> xubuntu 12.04 new os new browser and new user
[06:45] <xubuntu540> hi, I'm experiencing strange issue with xubuntu: when I use thunar to browse files, free space and used space sums is bigger than the whole partition, by some dzen of GB. this caused me to run out of disc space. what's happening? the disc is on, partition check fine too, nautilus on maverick (I used that before) showe correct values.
[06:46] <xubuntu540> ca someone please help me?
[07:00] <mihu> Hi. I have two PCs side-by-side with their monitors. The monitors are identical and run with the same resolution. One  system runs Ubuntu 10.10, the other Xubuntu 12.04. In both terminal applications, I have selected "Monospace 10" as the font, but they are shown differently. The Xubuntu 12.04 display looks a little thin and vertically squashed. The anti-aliasing is ok and I different fonts look ok as well, it's just that it does not
[07:02] <mihu> Hm, now that I look closer, "Monspace 10" is totally not like "Monospace 10" on the other. Individual characters like the "small g" look totally different.
[07:03] <xubuntu540> have you tried to change the kind of antialiasing used on the xubuntu?
[07:06] <xubuntu540> like changing hinting and sub-pixel order
[07:06] <xubuntu540> also, check the dpi and resolutions, must be the same
[07:29] <mihu> I have accidently changed Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Appearance -> Fonts -> Default Font, but cannot remember the original font used. Can anybody please tell me the "Default Font" for Xubuntu?
[07:30] <mihu> Ok, forget it. It depends on the "Style", so I just changed the style to something other and then back to "Greybird"
[07:31] <Marzata> it is Droid Sans
[07:31] <mihu> Marzata: Yes, thanks.
[07:59] <Jonne_> is there a way of getting xfce 4.10 on 12.04 without compiling it yourself?
[08:02] <Jonne_> from what i can find online, a ppa should be available any minute now
[08:02] <Jonne_> guess i'll wait a couple of days and try the ppa
[08:03] <mips1911> Jonne_, mrpouit said yester day that he woulp have uploaded the stuff to the server and then it still had to build. Dunno if that happened.
[08:04] <Jonne_> cool
[08:04] <mips1911> Jonne_, also waiting for 4.10, I'm currently sitting with a minimal install + openbox so I can do a clean install of 4.10 without any 4.8 stuff on my system. Waiting is killing me.
[08:05] <Jonne_> i guess if it needs to build on launchpad it could take a while, i imagine everyone's building new packages right after a release
[08:06] <mips1911> Yeah, I have no idea how long the building process takes on launchpad servers
[08:06] <mips1911> Anybody out there know how long it takes to build packages on launchpad?
[08:07] <Jonne_> there's actually one annoying bug in 4.8 that i can't find out whether it's fixed or not
[08:07] <mips1911> which one?
[08:07] <Jonne_> in dual-screen mode it shows the wrong open windows in one of my window lists right after startup
[08:08] <Jonne_> both window lists show the windows that are on screen 2
[08:08] <mips1911> have not noticed that
[08:08] <mips1911> wait, I think i did see that in 11.10
[08:08] <Jonne_> if i rightclick the one that shows the wrong windows, and check 'show windows from all monitors' and uncheck it again, it works correctly
[08:09] <Jonne_> really small bug, but annoying to do this every morning ;-)
[08:09] <Jonne_> i found a bug report on this a while ago, and there was a patch, but i don't know if it actually made it in
[08:10] <mips1911> we'll find out soon enough :)
[09:21] <boraynimon> hello good afternoon
[09:25] <mips1911> hi
[10:43] <mihu> Hi. After installing Xubuntu 12.04 I need to manually do a "service tftpd-hpa start" after boot to get my tftp-server starting properly. What is the right way to make this happen automatically?
[10:51] <ochosi> mihu: have you tried adding it to the autostarted applications?
[10:51] <ochosi> settings-manager > sessions and startup > application autostart
[10:53] <mihu> ochosi: Thanks for your answer. No. I have not tried anything. Looking at "application autostart" it seems this is for things running on behalf of the user. In contrast, the tftp server is a daemon that should be started on system start, or?
[10:57] <mihu> ochosi: "sysv-rc-conf" seems to do the trick.
[10:57] <ochosi> righty
[10:57] <ochosi> well i have no clue what you want to use the tftp server for
[10:57] <ochosi> usually services with autostart go into /etc/init.d/
[10:57] <ochosi> but this is hardly something you should have to do by hand, most applications should handle that for you
[10:58] <mihu> ochosi: I have some embedded systems that I can connect to a second ethernet adapter which want to download their kernels, root filesystem etc. via tftp.
[10:59] <ochosi> mihu: right, that sounds like you should know what you're doing anyway ;)
[11:01] <mihu> ochosi: Yes, but every time I update my host system to something different (this time: xubuntu 12.04), the way how these system services are started changes. I understood now that (x)Ubuntu still uses upstart and that sysv-rc-conf does the right thing for me.
[11:02] <ochosi> mihu: yup, i see your point. this was one reason why not to switch to debian on my homeserver, just don't want to manage two different approaches...
[11:03] <mihu> ochosi: :-)
[11:18] <martin__> since yesterday i have a problem with xfce4-power-manager in precise. it runs but doesn't seem to answer to dbus messages. i can't change the power settings and the panel battery applet doesn't start
[11:20] <martin__> it runs twice atm, which is strange enough in itself
[11:23] <martin__> and i can only kill them with SIGKILL
[11:32] <go8765> hello. after upgrade my x-server dont work. can anybody help me please to fix this?
[12:12] <schreber> can someone tell me why the terminal window in a fresh install of 12.04 is basically gray-on-white as opposed to the normal black-on-white and why it doesn't seem to be changeable/configurable ?
[12:16] <tea> same here.
[12:17] <schreber> never mind. I just re-configured the theme. I can't understand why they would set the default theme/colors to gray-on-white when it's always been black-on-white (or whatever white-on-black)
[12:52] <Kucuq> Hi, after updating to the new LTS xubuntu I standby does no longer work for me
[12:53] <Kucuq> well, the standby does, but after wakeup is thisplay is under "mist"
[12:53] <Kucuq> i can use the UI, but it's very dark, i have to log off, and log in again
[12:54] <Kucuq> and if i have to restart all my applications i could have used "off" aswell
[12:54] <Kucuq> killall xscreensaver does not work
[12:57] <xubuntu816> how does one start the Xubuntu desktop ? when startx does not seem to work ?
[13:17] <Kucuq> starx startxfce4 ?
[13:17] <Kucuq> *startx
[13:17] <nachtwolf> Hello
[13:25] <nachtwolf> can somebody help me set up the wlan-card in mein laptop?
[13:27] <nachtwolf> äh in my laptop, sorry, my english is not the best
[14:16] <qwerkus> hi: is there any workaround for the startup freeze "waiting for network configuration" in latest xubuntu ? Takes foreeeeeever to boot; thanks for help
[14:20] <mips1911> qwerkus, use a static config
[14:27] <Tetracomm> Hello.
[14:29] <aquix> hi fellow awesome person using xubuntu.
[14:30] <baizon> :)
[14:33] <aquix> never ever going to be nice again
[14:36] <Pici> heh
[14:36] <momoboy> I am sure everyone here is getting questions about xfce 4.10 backported or ppa'd to the current LTE 12.04... any progress?
[14:37] <holstein> momoboy: you can always build it
[14:37] <holstein> or set up a PPA for others to use :)
[14:37] <momoboy> yea i read about that already... but its easier if a much more experienced user does it and does it properly and makes it available for us noobs
[14:38] <qwerkus> @mips1911: what do you mean by static config ? No dhcp ?
[14:39] <aquix> what window decorators are available for us compis users? I compiled emerald, but it's not a long lasting solution.
[14:39] <holstein> emerald is what i used til i ditched compiz in xubuntu
[14:39] <momoboy> on a side note, if i do build xfce 4.10 by myself will it replace the current 4.8 or will i have an option the LightDM to select between 4.8 and 4.10?
[14:41] <aquix> I'll ditch compiz too when I find something like it's scale plugin. It's to useful to be without.
[14:41] <baizon> momoboy: it will replace 4.8
[14:43] <momoboy> yea thats what i am kinda worried about, incase i mess up i still want 4.8 there to fall back to it and clean the 4.10 install and wait for a ppa, so is there a way to have it available as an option when i log in to pick between 4.8 and 4.10?
[14:45] <WrigleyPete> momoboy: you can install two xubuntus side by side and experiment in second one all you want... and if everything goes ok, you can build 4.10 in your primary system...
[14:45] <mips1911> qwerkus, yes
[14:45] <momoboy> oh so can't have two different versions available concurrently on the same system... interesting
[14:47] <mips1911> momoboy, just copy all the .deb packages from your cd/iso to /var/cache/apt/archives and reinstall 4.8 or backup your /var/cache/apt/archives befoe you install 4.10
[14:47] <momoboy> thanks mips1911
[14:49] <mips1911> momoboy, always handy to have a backup of your cache, I started keeping one since 11.10 and it save a lot of time/bandwidth if you have to reinstall stuff
[14:52] <qwerkus> @mips1911, I don't have dhcp; I use a VPN connection over WLAN
[14:54] <mips1911> qwerkus, then I don't know, sorry
[14:54] <baizon> or just install a virtual machine :D
[15:30] <nishttal2> i notice that each Xscreen has different settings for sound
[15:30] <nishttal2> is there a way to make them global
[15:30] <nishttal2> so if i set volume on one xscreen.. its set for others
[15:44] <alopez> Hi, good day... i need some help with this stuff....
[15:44] <mips1911> what stuff
[15:45] <alopez> hi @mipss1911
[15:46] <alopez> i have a p4 with 845g graphics, intel 845 board and 1 g of DDR1...
[15:46] <alopez> but the system go very slow
[15:47] <alopez> what can i do for performance?
[15:47] <alopez> i dont have opengl enabled...
[15:48] <mips1911> have you disabled compositing?
[15:48] <mips1911> You could also try the Intel drivers from the x-swat PPA if they are newer.
[15:48] <mips1911> Disable some services you don't need.
[15:49] <alopez> nope... is enabling right now, but if i disabled compositing dont changes anything...
[15:49] <mips1911> disabling compositing will give you a snappier desktop on a intel gpu
[15:49] <alopez> wait... what is x-swat??
[15:50] <mips1911> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[15:50] <mips1911> xserver-xorg-video-intel	 2:2.19.0-0ubuntu1~xup1
[15:50] <mips1911> what exactly is slow?
[15:52] <alopez> everithing goes slow :S
[15:52] <alopez> the web browser, the software updater... video crashes some times..
[15:53] <alopez> sorry, everything
[15:53] <mips1911> did you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[15:53] <alopez> mi english need some practice :S
[15:53] <alopez> yes, is a fresh install
[15:54] <alopez> *my*
[15:54] <mips1911> hard for me to say sitting here and not being able to see for myself
[15:55] <alopez> can i send you some reports about lspci -vvnn... or something like that?
[15:55] <alopez> throug pastebin?
[15:55] <mips1911> Rather post that info in the ubuntu forums and ask for help
[15:56] <mips1911> someone might be able to help you out.
[15:56] <mips1911> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=333
[15:58] <alopez> ok mips, good idea, and i gonna check about x-swat too :)
[17:01] <martinphone> what do I use to make dvd copies? no ISO, mp4 or mkv output
[17:09] <recon_lap> martinphone: sort of depends what you tyring to do, many copies of one cd or one cope of many cd's
[17:10] <martinphone> recon_lap, one copy with embedded subtitles (on and off options) in either mp4 or mkv
[17:10] <martinphone> or
[17:10] <martinphone> the copy and the option of making a subtitles file
[17:12] <drc> martinphone: So what you really want is NOT a copy of the DVD, you want to rip the dvd (movie) to another format?
[17:12] <aquix> install mkvtoolnix-gui
[17:12] <recon_lap> martinphone: well I like Acidrip
[17:13] <martinphone> no, no ISO copy, I want to rip the movie to one of those outputs... unless you suggest any other output format
[17:14] <recon_lap> martinphone: acidRip rips movies to lots of formats not just ISO
[17:14] <mips1911> handbrake, not sure about subtitles though
[17:14] <martinphone> recon_lap, can I choose the output quality?
[17:14] <aquix> failure of communication I suspect
[17:14] <martinphone> when I was in ubuntu I used k9copy
[17:15] <recon_lap> martinphone: there are more options that I care to try
[17:15] <martinphone> restart required, brb
[17:15] <aquix> k9copy is a kde program ?
[17:16] <drc> martinphone: Just install k9copy from the Software center
[17:16] <recon_lap> aquix: is mkvtool good?
[17:17] <aquix> recon_lap, it's good for merging whatever into a single mkv, like youtube flv's
[17:18] <recon_lap> aquix: I must be getting old, don't recognise the tla's :)
[17:19] <aquix> tla = the last airbender?
[17:19] <aquix> also the lose an*s
[17:20] <recon_lap> three letter abbreviation = tla
[17:21] <aquix> sorry, norwegian here, had to search abbreviation
[17:23] <recon_lap> ok, back to figuring out java paint events ;)
[17:23] <aquix> god luck with that :)
[17:23] <mips1911> aquix, where in Norge?
[17:23] <aquix> bergen
[17:23] <aquix> u+
[17:24] <mips1911> cool
[17:24] <martinphone> brasero and xfburn do the same thing, right? they copy dvds, they dont rip dvds...
[17:24] <aquix> ?
[17:24] <mips1911> South Africa, nice and warm :)
[17:24] <aquix> lucky you
[17:24] <mips1911> yeah, i say thanks every day
[17:24] <martinphone> lucky for being in a country with 30% rates of aids?
[17:25] <mips1911> martinphone, it's actually higher
[17:25] <aquix> screw the right people
[17:25] <mips1911> but lets not get into politics.
[17:25] <aquix> nope
[17:26] <aquix> martinphone, yeah, xfburn does the job
[17:26] <recon_lap> martinphone: acidRip not up to the task?
[17:27] <aquix> Again. xubuntu 12.04 is such a fine release. my laptop is more silent than a kitten. Awesome release.
[17:28] <ichat> just a small question,  is it really true that  xubuntu precise wil not be supported for the comming 5 years like cononical has prommised... and if so... why is that?
[17:28] <martinphone> help the noob: rip a dvd = extracting the movie from it to a non ISO format like mp4
[17:28] <martinphone> right?
[17:29] <drc> ichat: I <think> that the Xubuntu team decided to go with 3 years instead of 5 because that fits better into the xfce scheme of support.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
[17:30] <mips1911> martinphone, tried handbrake?
[17:30] <recon_lap> just clicked update on my media box :)
[17:30] <martinphone> ill test acidrip...
[17:30] <martinphone> why mips1911 ? is handbrake better=
[17:30] <martinphone> ?
[17:30] <recon_lap> martinphone: I'v used acid rip to copy dvd with subs to my hdd in some format or other, avi i think
[17:30] <drc> martinphone: If you are used to k9copy, why not just install that (it's in the Software Center) ?
[17:31] <mips1911> it's the only thing I use. but not sure about your subtitle requirements
[17:31] <recon_lap> bit shaky on the sub-titles, but remember seeing the options
[17:31] <ichat> drc :( - sounds sad... because all servers require   LTS releases  from policy...  and this would mean i cant install xubuntu desktop on my ltsp server?
[17:32] <martinphone> drc, cause I moved to xubuntu to try lightweight things
[17:33] <recon_lap> I moved to xubuntu because I can keep my screen layout.
[17:33] <Unit193> Xubuntu is midweight anyway.
[17:33] <drc> True dat :)
[17:33] <Unit193> Did he look at xfburn then?
[17:33] <drc> Unit193: He wants a ripper not a copier.
[17:34] <martinphone> can the output be mkv with handbrake mips1911 ?
[17:34] <ochosi> ichat: drc is right, it's "only" 3 years of support for xubuntu 12.04. but then again: this is the first real LTS for xubuntu
[17:35] <mips1911> yes, it only does mkv and mp4 or whatever it's called, has lots of settings for encoding etc.
[17:35] <ochosi> ichat: also: the ubuntu-components of xubuntu will have 5 years of support, just xfce will not be supported longer than 3. which makes total sense because a new xfce version will be included in 12.10
[17:36] <martinphone> who will use 12.04 in 3 years time?
[17:36] <ichat> martinphone - me  in an tlsp envirment (hopefully)
[17:36] <martinphone> mips1911, did you choose the ppa package? I run a 64 bit xubuntu
[17:37] <drc> martinphone: You'd be surprise how many people either have problems with the normal 6 month upgrades or want longer stability times and decide to stay with the LTS versions
[17:37] <mips1911> can't remember, think it was a PPA
[17:38] <mips1911> yes, I  used a PPA
[17:39] <mips1911> https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-releases  but I don't see a 12.-4 package yet
[17:40] <martinphone> me neither...
[17:41] <ichat> drc  we still run windows 2003 as a remote application desktop server,  and we indend to replace that with   ubuntu precise ltsp...    and hopefully i can use xfce for it, as it uses a lot less resources than   unity.. :)
[17:41] <recon_lap> I'm still on 10.04 on ubuntu :) some people like stability
[17:41] <ichat> anyway thnx for the info
[17:42] <ichat> recon_lap    10.04 xfce on my netbook  runs flawless
[17:42] <aquix> recon_lap, step into the future, xubuntu 12.04 is a great release
[17:44] <recon_lap> I will, normally wait a month or so before upgrading, gives everything a chance to settle down
[17:44] <drc> DL times are better also :)
[17:45] <ichat> drc  - use the torrents...
[17:45] <drc> ichat: I do, but it takes time to propagate the torrents
[17:45] <babble> I'm holding off as there's a gtk3.4 vs. Secondlife-everything bug, apparently.
[17:46] <ichat> i usually try to download it for a mirror just befor the lauch when its still syncing... so  i can seed it once the officiall torrent is release :P  and i have a  70mbit upload
[17:46] <mips1911> ichat, I hate you
[17:47] <ichat> mips1911 - sorry man
[17:47] <mips1911> :)
[17:47] <ichat> all my friends are like... ok so whats the download and i just give them the torrent
[17:50] <martinphone> I need help with this: https://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html#ubuntu
[17:50] <martinphone> I cannot add those 2 lines to my source.list file, I dont have permissions to edit it
[17:52] <martinphone> ok, what does conflict with vlc?
[17:52] <drc> martinphone: You mean you don't have sudo permission or you can't add those lines as a <user> ?
[17:53] <martinphone> I cannot add those lines as user
[17:53] <drc> can you say "sudo" ?  I thought you could
[17:57] <drc> martinphone: mkvtoolnix/gui is in synaptic
[17:58] <drc> you chouldn't need to add anything to your sources.list
[17:58] <martinphone> drc I dont know what I did: vlc was auto removed
[17:59] <martinphone> I dont know if it has something to do with mkvtool, but I prefer vlc to mkvtool...
[18:00] <drc> martinphone: If you have vlc installed you already have qt (as a dependency)...therefor you should be able to add k9copy without to much additional baggage.
[18:01] <martinphone> i see...
[18:02] <drc> I won't promise it, I have no idea what k9's dependencies are.  But it makes sense.
[18:03] <aquix> k9 pulls down a lot of kde crap
[18:04] <drc> aquix: yeah, but qt itself has to be a big part of that crap :)
[18:04] <aquix> sure, but no good for a xfce user :)
[18:06] <recon_lap> probably get the dvd riped quicker than installing the app to do it :)
[18:06] <drc> aquix: I agree, but if he 1) has vlc installed, he has qt already; 2) he's used to k9copy already, so if he has a big part of the dependencies already installed, it makes sense to me to go with what he already knows/is used to :)
[18:07] <recon_lap> martinphone: did you try acid rip?
[18:07] <drc> just sayin'
[18:07] <aquix> drc,  yeah. and that is the tradigy at hand.  :)
[18:08] <aquix> brb
[18:08] <drc> me too...tea time....
[18:11] <martinphone> how do I clean clean apt-cache ?
[18:12] <Unit193> sudo apt-get clean? I don't know what exactly you're trying to do.
[18:13] <martinphone> Unit193, restoring a workable vlc, join me in #videolan if you wish
[18:15] <martinphone> there is this vlc-data that is one day ahead than the other files of the ppa
[18:16] <recon_lap> lol, big opps for someone
[18:17] <martinphone> what do I do? wait one day to see if the vlc guys update it to the same version?
[18:19] <Unit193> Give us the link when you do    apt-cache policy vlc |pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com    and    apt-cache policy vlc-data |pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com
[18:22] <martinphone> http://pastebin.com/1AykWWiS and http://pasteb respectivelyn.com/qXaLEifw
[18:22] <martinphone> crap
[18:22] <martinphone> http://pastebin.com/1AykWWiS and http://pastebin.com/qXaLEifw
[18:25] <Unit193> And how long since you last did sudo apt-get update?
[18:27] <martinphone> sudo apt-get update = synaptic reload?
[18:27] <mips1911> yes
[18:28] <martinphone> 2 minutes ago
[18:28] <aquix> martinphone, in terminal read        man apt-get               you'll be better for it
[18:29] <Unit193> Since it's a daily ppa, that seems like your best action, or switch ppas.
[18:29] <Unit193> I personally use the n-muench/vlc one.
[18:30] <recon_lap> martinphone: you could try "sudo apt-get install vlc"
[18:30] <aquix> btw. man pages needs a redoning. I thing they are useful but terrible to read.
[18:31] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/apt-get
[18:31] <Unit193> That any better? :P
[18:32] <aquix> no
[18:32] <recon_lap> vlc player install fine for me, nothing wrong with repo
[18:32] <aquix> in terminal I mean.
[18:32] <aquix> good
[18:33]  * drc wonders how the hundreds/thousands of manpage maintainers are going to be coordinated to fix them ?
[18:33] <recon_lap> thats on my ubuntu box
[18:34] <drc> Actually, one of the other xfce distros (I <think> its salix) has a gui for reading man pages.  It doesn't change them in any way, but it makes them easier to read.
[18:35] <recon_lap> I'm off, good luck martinphone doing whatever it is your trying to do
[18:36] <martinphone>  Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:37] <starn> hello, i'm looking for web dev tool for xubuntu that functions kinda like dreamweaver.. honestly i just want the built in FTP access like dreamweaver has. any suggestions?
[18:38] <aquix> martinphone, in terminal try this:    sudo apt-get -f install
[18:39] <Unit193> I don't recommend those, but kompozer and bluebird are some.
[18:40] <starn> Unit193: thanks. trying to avoid kompozer. but i'll look into bluebird.
[18:41] <starn> Unit193: did you mean bluefish?
[18:42] <Unit193> BlueGriffon
[18:42] <aquix> don't do kompozer. it will bring down the whole kde dependencies. screw that.
[18:43] <Unit193> (note, none of these are the best, and I'm not recommending one or the other, just options)
[18:44] <mneptok> starn: Bluefish is not an HTML-mode editor. like others, it can do previews, but it's a text editor.
[18:44] <starn> Unit193: alright well thanks. i'm gonna pass on bluegriffon it's to heavily intergrated for firefox. haha i think i found something of use. syntax ftp support and previewer which i don't care for the previewer function just syntax and ftp.
[18:45] <mneptok> starn: take a long look at jEdit.
[18:45] <mneptok> starn: you can use it anywhere Java runs. so Linux, Windows, OSX etc etc.
[18:45] <mneptok> !info jedit
[18:46] <starn> mneptok: does it support ftp?
[18:46] <mneptok> starn: via a plugin, yes. and SFTP and SCP etc etc.
[18:46] <mneptok> starn: install from packages, the app has a plugin manager in the menu system.
[18:48] <mneptok> starn: repeat the same procedure on other OSes. only 1 interface to learn.
[18:48] <starn> alright mneptok i'll look into it when i get home for now i gtg. not gonna bother logging outa irc. haha
[18:55] <beyler> chromium http://i46.tinypic.com/2cp9u28.png  What is the reason it 12.04
[18:57] <beyler> anyone help me?
[18:57] <drc> can't open the url
[18:58] <drc> ah...there it goes
[18:59] <beyler> No problem in downloading
[18:59] <beyler> photo here seems broken
[18:59] <aquix> jesus tittiefucking christ....
[19:00] <Unit193> !language | aquix
[19:03] <beyler> i m from trömsö
[19:05] <aquix> sorry. I was wrong.
[19:26] <xubuntu222> hello
[19:28] <xubuntu222> i was wondering if i can upgrade from ubuntu 11.10 to xubuntu 12.04....from inside of ubuntu?
[19:32] <hocineadjou> hello
[19:33] <Unit193> xubuntu222: Note quite, have to install xubuntu-desktop either before or after upgrade.
[19:33] <Unit193> !purexfce
[19:35] <xubuntu222> ok thanks
[20:29] <syddraf> When attempting to shutdown Xubuntu, it freezes on the shutdown screen. Is there a way to find out what is actually happening and how to stop this from occurring?
[20:46] <manitou> hi need help with script im trying to make script to set brightness when is on AC and to change when is on BATTery ! here is http://paste.ubuntu.com/965534/ if some can check , im not good at it , its my first script ! :)
[20:46] <manitou> intel_backlight command work .
[21:10] <xubuntu089> can anyone tell me how to enable num lock in xubuntu please as the num lock button doesn't work?
[21:17] <bramwelt> Who should I contact about hosting a mirror for xubuntu?
[21:18] <pleia2> bramwelt: I'm not sure, but you can sign up for the xubuntu-devel mailing list and ask there
[21:19] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
[21:19] <pleia2> (don't worry, it's not very busy :))
[21:20] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors is probably applicable
[21:21] <aquix> not busy at at all a couple of daysa FTER A RELEASE ;)
[21:22] <aquix> sorry about the caps
[21:22] <bramwelt> pleia2: The OSL already hosts an ubuntu mirror for ISOs and Packages. :) The process for xubuntu is the same? Make an account on launchpad and list our mirror on xubuntu?
[21:23] <pleia2> bramwelt: I really don't know, I'd suggest asing on xubuntu-devel
[21:23] <pleia2> asking too
[21:23] <aquix> asing away
[21:24] <bramwelt> pleia2: Okey dokey! Thanks for the help! :)
[21:24] <aquix> but I helped too :)
[21:25] <bramwelt> aquix: Haha, thanks to you too! :P
[21:25] <aquix> lol :)
[21:34] <irro94> ciao gente
[21:45] <babble> does anyone know what changed from gtk3.2 and 3.4 to cause secondlife clients to crash xorg?
[21:47] <beyler> hi folks
[22:02] <tehmole> hi...
[22:02] <tehmole> have a quick question
[22:02] <babble> tehmole: go ahead and ask -- somebody will likely have an answer.
[22:03] <tehmole> i'm trying to install office 2010 from wine / playonlinux
[22:03] <tehmole> and i'm getting wine install errors
[22:03] <tehmole> i read through a bunch of threads and forums
[22:03] <tehmole> still can't solve it
[22:03] <Unit193> Do you have the error?
[22:04] <babble> looks like WineHQ only reports "Gold" for Debian Wheezy: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=17336
[22:04] <ignacio> hola
[22:04] <tehmole> it's the generic - invalid parameter received
[22:04] <ignacio> ya tengo xubuntu 12.04 , se me fue casi odos los bug que tenia en 11.10
[22:04] <drc> tehmole: You also might want to ask on #winehq
[22:05] <tehmole> oh .. i forgot they had a chan
[22:05] <tehmole> nice
[22:05] <tehmole> thank you
[22:06] <drc> tehmole: np...I didn't mean not to ask here, but that you'd probably get any answer quicker there.
[22:07] <tehmole> yeah ... just posted on their chan...hopefully it will be answered
[22:07] <tehmole> thanks drc
[22:41] <ichat> on a freshly installed xubuntu 12.04 ... how do i swap nuveau for  nvidia non free...  my screen just blanks and it doesn't really seem to want to go into console mode :S
[22:42] <xubuntu327> have you tried instalilng via additional drivers option?
[22:42] <ochosi> ichat: you can either use jockey to install the restricted drivers or use synaptic or ubuntu software center
[22:42] <drc> try additional drivers
[22:43] <xubuntu327> additional drivers makes it painless
[22:43] <ichat> the problem is... i cant login because of this
[22:43] <xubuntu327> so fresh install and you can't even login using the generic video driver?
[22:43] <ochosi> in that case you have to "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current"
[22:44] <ochosi> that would install the driver
[22:44] <xubuntu327> that should work
[22:44] <ichat> its ctrl+alt+f6 right?
[22:44] <ochosi> ichat: for what?
[22:44] <xubuntu327> to get to command line i believe f2
[22:44] <ochosi> ichat: usually 1-6 are tty, 7 is X11
[22:44] <xubuntu327> different tty though so shouldn't matter
[22:45] <xubuntu327> one of those should get you there
[22:47] <ichat> no idea why but it wont let me..
[22:47] <ichat> i will just ignore key press and go into xfce
[22:47] <ichat> (it)
[22:53] <ichat> ah i got a root shell via the safemode
[22:54] <ichat> where what file can i change x to use  vga safe
[23:02] <ichat> euh... where is the xorg.conf ?
[23:03] <ochosi> ichat: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:05] <ichat> i dont believe this
[23:05] <ichat> its not there
[23:06] <ochosi> it's not really used much anymore
[23:07] <ichat> so how to i set xorg to vga  for the root terminal than
[23:08] <ochosi> best to google for it, pasting stuff into here doesn't make much sense (too many lines)
[23:14] <ichat> hmmm  at least  appending  vga=771 to my grub isn't working... this really becomes anoying  and only just because it ship with disfunct drivers...
[23:17] <user__> Gimp 2.8 is official, but apt only shows 2.6. Will this change? Or should I ask in #ubuntu?
[23:20] <babble>  there are instructions for adding the Gimp 2.8 stable PPA on WebUpd8:
[23:20] <babble> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/gimp-28-stable-finally-available-for.html
[23:20] <user__> thanks!
[23:23] <Unit193> Remember that PPAs aren't officially supported.
[23:24] <user__> that's OK. this is a fresh xubuntu install. if i screw things up, i'll just reinstall.
[23:32] <user__> gimp 2.8 install was successful. thanks.