[04:24] <ScottK> yofel: Published.
[10:29] <seaLne> anyone here using owncloud over https in precise? mirall dosen't work on 2 precise installs for me but does on natty and oneric
[10:30] <seaLne> i know this is a bit OT but i've already been discussing it on #owncloud and this seemed a good place to ask for other potential precise users :)
[10:35] <Riddell> seaLne: hmm no I haven't and I don't think I even know what mirall is
[10:36] <seaLne> the file sync tool
[10:37] <seaLne> dragotin wrote it
[10:37] <seaLne> it makes owncloud an awfull lot more usefull now
[10:37] <seaLne> deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:ownCloud:devel/xUbuntu_12.04/ /
[10:37] <seaLne> owncloud-client
[10:39] <Riddell> oh aye, not looked it yet, that's on the things to be discussed at UDS list
[10:57] <Riddell> seaLne: you've tried asking Blizzz?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks ... ran the upgrade to 4.8.3 .. I now have no X server...chatting thru irssi . Error message just m, no X11 ...anyone else encounter this ?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> yofel? ^
[11:20] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: you did upgrade, and then restarted?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Tm_T:  yes . rebooted and also did a halt and boot
[11:23] <BluesKaj> wonder if I need to reinstall my graphics driver , let me check
[11:23] <yofel> BluesKaj: can you check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> yofel:  is that juat a folder , because I have to use nano and I'm not getting any text ..it's just blank
[11:32] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's your X log file which should have the error if X fails to start
[11:32] <BluesKaj> yofel:  there's no error listed , there's nothing
[11:33] <yofel> BluesKaj: can you please run 'sudo service kdm restart' (or start) and see if the file is there?
[11:36] <seaLne> Riddell: no i hadn't but dragotin was looking at it
[11:40] <Riddell> dragotin, he's your man
[11:41] <BluesKaj> yofel , x10 fatal IO error x11 (resource temporarily unavailable) on x server ":o"
[11:42] <BluesKaj> looks to me like X is failing alright :)
[11:49] <BluesKaj> I have 3 shells open so I'll be back , one is frozen in limbo
[12:03] <BluesKaj> ok , yofel , fixed , had some partial upgrades to kubuntu-desktop that needed some help installing with the recovery kernel ..all seems fine now 
[12:03] <yofel> *phew*
[12:03] <BluesKaj> hehr :)
[12:03]  * yofel gone for a while
[13:16] <Mamarok> gosh, what did that guy in bug 992262 not understand?
[13:17] <imbrandon> morning all
[13:18] <ScottK> Hello imbrandon.
[13:18] <imbrandon> heya ScottK 
[13:18] <BluesKaj> 'morning imbrandon
[13:21] <BluesKaj> odd , during the 4.8.3 upgrade , I ended up with some partial upgrades to kubuntu-desktop that prevented X from loading 
[13:23] <BluesKaj> had to use the recovery kernel 'repair broken packages" dialog to finish the install 
[13:25] <Mamarok> ouch
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yeah , aword to the wisw and all that :)
[13:26] <BluesKaj> and those who can decipher my spelling 
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, is amarok still installing without mp3 capability on 12.04?  had a question about it this morning
[13:29] <Mamarok> no idea
[13:30] <Mamarok> that depends on the package whether it asks for codecs to be installed, and I am no packager
[13:31] <Mamarok> somethig you don't need if you use the phonon-backend-vlc
[13:32] <Riddell> we have installed with mp3 capability, that issue is 7 years old
[13:32] <imbrandon> heh yea
[13:33] <imbrandon> i was gonna say thats quite old
[13:34] <BluesKaj> yeah , I've been using it for a while since my main media player is VLC and the DTS and DD audio streams are independent of the audio player itself , which I feed to a DAC rather than analog 
[13:35] <BluesKaj> still see the amarok mp3 issue sometimes ...dunno why tho
[14:35] <ulysses> will be 4.8.3 packaged for oneiric,
[14:35] <ulysses> ?
[14:35] <ScottK> No.
[14:47] <KRF> how can i find out what git revision of Qt the libqt4-* packages are using on ubuntu?
[14:47] <KRF> still having trouble how to do that
[14:50] <ScottK> We use Qt releases, not git snapshots.
[14:51] <ScottK> You can use rmadison $PACKAGENAME to see what versions are in what Ubuntu releases.
[15:01] <KRF> ScottK: okay. doesn't really help but thanks :)
[15:02] <ScottK> You should be able to look in Qt's git and figure out which revisons correlate to the releases.
[15:02] <KRF> ScottK: sure, i know Git. i was wondering if you use some Git snapshot for ubuntu 12.04
[15:03] <ScottK> No.  It's 4.8.1 plus some patches.
[15:03] <ScottK> The patches may be post-4.8.1 cherry picks.  I haven't checked.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> back to the tty yofel  , X doesn't load again , same error, also netbook wants to install , but it errors as well.. even after giving install request a no.
[16:53] <yofel> wth. Do you have a network connection so you can pastebinit your full Xorg.0.log ?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> KRF: ScottK Re: Qt Version, you can use kde4-config --version as well
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ah you want git revision
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ignore my comment
[17:01] <BluesKaj> yofel http://paste.ubuntu.com/967321
[17:05] <yofel> BluesKaj: that looks perfectly fine...
[17:10] <BluesKaj> well, I've tried all the "tricks" in my "kit"and still no X 
[17:12] <yofel> Riddell: do you remember how large the diff was for oneiric? IIRC it was almost a no-change backport.
[17:13] <yofel> we already cut down the packages that were updated
[17:14] <Riddell> yofel: yeah I think it could well have been nothing
[17:16] <Riddell> hi ct529 
[17:16] <Riddell> ct529: see http://jriddell.org/ "Packaging KDE SC in the Cloud "
[17:17] <Riddell> my thinking on automating it would be to use ec2 to do a test compile and get logs for review
[17:18] <Riddell> but the needs someone with some time to do it and knowledge of packaging and ec2
[17:20] <Riddell> ct529: in the mean time what it needs is someone to do the packaging (trivial but repetative) and test compile it locally, review the logs, upload to launchpad, get testing, then move to backports/updates
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: you think libiodbc2-dev is a bit screwed up?
[17:22] <yofel> it is
[17:22] <shadeslayer> depends on libiodbc2 and iodbc, and iodbc depends on libiodbc2
[17:22] <shadeslayer> circular deps ftw
[17:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: we use something else now
[17:22] <shadeslayer> huh?
[17:22] <yofel> hm
[17:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: see what neon does to soprano
[17:23] <ct529> Riddell: yes, documentation? I see if we can set up something locally on the server, but cannot promise anything ....
[17:23] <yofel> or the release package for that matter
[17:24] <shadeslayer> k
[17:24] <ct529> Riddell: I mean documentation about this automation of the process
[17:25] <Riddell> ct529: there is none
[17:25] <Riddell> since it's just an idea in my head
[17:25] <ct529> Riddell: OIC
[17:26] <ct529> Riddell: just opening the one about the cloud
[17:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: ok, we use unixodbc-dev now
[17:29] <ct529> Riddell: I will look into it, but I thought the process was already practically automatised
[17:30] <ct529> Riddell: why do you think this rolling release idea is bad? It sounds good but we have not run any tests.
[17:30] <Peace-> mm let me understand something about your kubuntu-default settings .... why on control there is only Depends: ${misc:Depends}, python, ttf-ubuntu-font-family, libnewt0.52 (>= 0.52.11-2ubuntu7)
[17:31] <Peace-> where i can specify my own dependences ?
[17:31] <Peace-> can i 
[17:31] <shadeslayer> :/
[17:31] <ScottK> Peace-: You're looking in the wrong package.  Look in kubuntu-meta
[17:31] <ct529> Riddell: don't you think it would be possible to biuld a rolling release on top of kubuntu?
[17:31] <Peace-> ScottK: ah
[17:32] <Ezim> ct529, rolling release have it +/-
[17:32] <ScottK> ct529: The Ubuntu release cycle has a definite up and down flow.  It'd be almost impossible to build a rolling release on top of it.
[17:33] <ScottK> If you want rolling, use Debian Testing or Unstable.
[17:34] <ct529> I don't know we have been suing kubuntu since 6.06
[17:34] <ct529> but it is not completely free of problems either
[17:35] <Peace-> ScottK: mm kubuntu-meta? i can locate with apt-get install ? 
[17:35] <Peace-> ScottK: it seems no
[17:35] <Peace-> can yo point me ?
[17:35] <yofel> Peace-: kubuntu-desktop's source is kubuntu-meta
[17:35] <Riddell> Peace-: it's a source package
[17:35] <ScottK> Peace-: kubuntu-desktop is the binary you're probably looking for.
[17:36] <ScottK> Then you'll want to learn about germinate and seeds.
[17:36] <Peace-> LOL 
[17:36] <Peace-> :) btw i have modified your kubuntu-default-settings 
[17:37] <Peace-> and it seems perfect :P
[17:37] <Peace-> konqueror just works out of the box now on gmail translator and google+
[17:40] <ScottK> Please file a bug on kubuntu-default-settings and attach your patch so we can get it fixed then.
[17:41] <Ezim> kubuntu rocks (spam) :=)
[17:41] <ct529> Riddell: I am afraid I could not make sense of your EC2 automation presentation .... does it have only 8 slides or did I do something wrong?
[17:42] <Peace-> ScottK:  :( i am not good on that stuff 
[17:42] <Peace-> anyway 
[17:42] <ScottK> Peace-: Time to learn
[17:43] <Riddell> ct529: probably I made the slides with an expectation I'd be giving a talk with them
[17:44] <Peace-> ScottK: this is the file even google docs works better  http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/04/plasma-desktopL12385.png
[17:47] <ct529> Riddell: I imagine :-D ....
[17:47] <ct529> Riddell: I just wanted to udnerstand whether I had downloaded them all, or wheter it was something missing.
[17:47] <ct529> Riddell: Is there a video of you giving the presentation?
[17:48] <Riddell> nope
[17:48]  * Peace- he thinks he should create a debian for his plasma-panels collection
[17:48] <Riddell> but I want a script to build a package in KDE SC and a master script to control building the packages in the right order and putting them and logs for review
[17:53] <ct529> Riddell: it would be nice to start with existing packages for 12.04 and see if it is possible to simply automatise compilation for 11.10.
[17:55] <Riddell> ct529: yes that could be done, I mostly use bash for scripts when I do it
[17:55] <Riddell> but that still needs someone to keep an eye on it
[17:55] <ct529> Riddell: mmmm .... can you send over the scripts you already have?
[17:56] <Riddell> ct529: I don't have any
[17:57] <Riddell> i should have said "bash for loops" above
[17:57] <ct529> Riddell: Oh I see
[17:57] <Riddell> for package in *; do debuild; cd ..; done
[17:57] <Riddell> that sort of thing
[17:59] <yofel> I have this to offer: http://paste.kde.org/469400/ - which still needs to be run per-package
[18:02] <Riddell> yofel: not like using dch? 
[18:03] <yofel> well, I had that piece of code lying around from something else, so didn't bother to look at the dch parameters. which would work too
[18:04] <ct529> Riddell: debuild?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> well, kde 4.8.3 wiped my nvidia driver , and whatever repos it's packaged in isn't in my sources.list to re-install , or so it seems ..no installation cnadidate for nvidia-current
[18:06] <Riddell> ct529: I fear you'll need to learn packaging before you can work on automating it
[18:07] <Ezim> BluesKaj, how can that happend?
[18:08] <Ezim> not even same depend.
[18:08] <yofel> BluesKaj: the driver is in the main archive though. try refreshing the cache or use nouveau for now
[18:09] <BluesKaj> yofel what's the nouveau driver package name?
[18:09] <Ezim> BluesKaj, do you mean it removed or stopped working? sorry if I got all this wrong.
[18:10] <Ezim> BluesKaj, nvidia just released new drivers.
[18:10] <BluesKaj> Ezim:  which archive ?
[18:10] <yofel> BluesKaj: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (installed by default unless you removed it)
[18:10] <Ezim> if you use x-swat I think you will have tomorrow or so. 
[18:10] <yofel> as long as the nvidia driver isn't installed and you don't tell it otherwise in xorg.conf X will use nouveau
[18:10] <ct529> Riddell: I normally download the sources and package manually .... what is the problem with that?
[18:11] <ct529> Riddell: and use dpkg-build
[18:12] <yofel> ct529: Launchpad only accepts source packages and builds the binaries itself.
[18:12] <Riddell> debuild is a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage with some sensible options set
[18:12] <yofel> ah, for local builds that's ~fine
[18:12] <ct529> Riddell: oh, OK .... never used it though
[18:12] <ct529> Riddell: does it make a substantial difference?
[18:12] <Riddell> it's quicker to type :)
[18:12] <Riddell> check the man page for details
[18:13] <ct529> Riddell: yes, I am installing it now
[18:13] <ct529> Riddell: will read the man
[18:16] <Riddell> I have a script to start ec2 machines and set up for packaging but of course it'll need a lot more work to get it doing the packaging automated and then the controlling script would be a lot more work again
[18:19] <ct529> Riddell: Sorry, I have to go, I will read the man pages and take it from there .... btw can you compile teh kernel with debuild?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> whqat's blacklist file path for modules again ...I think nouveau is blacklisted here
[18:25] <Riddell> ct529: dunno never tried
[18:27] <BluesKaj> yofel:  ? ^
[18:27] <yofel> some file in /etc/modprobe.d/
[18:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , that's it  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf ..I think
[18:37] <yofel> ct529: theoretically yes, but needs some preperation first. There are some guides around the net. Someone else knows more probably.
[18:40] <BluesKaj>  nouveau isn't working either , yofel  :(  ...and it's not blacklisted
[18:41] <yofel> why does it fail now?
[18:42]  * BluesKaj wonders if anyone else has repo=rted the same problem , or is this my unique sitauattion
[18:43] <yofel> haven't gotten any PPA bugmail so far today at least.
[18:44] <BluesKaj> yofel:  dunno , my bootup is behaving exactly the same 
[18:45] <nixternal> bah...client wants me to do ipad dev work. don't even feel like researching that. anyone here do ipad or ios dev work?
[18:45]  * nixternal looks at imbrandon 
[18:45] <imbrandon> nix!
[18:45] <nixternal> wasabi homeskillet
[18:45] <imbrandon> sure
[18:46] <imbrandon> send it my way
[18:46] <BluesKaj> me searches for 12.04 beta disk
[18:46] <nixternal> imbrandon: do you need to have a mac to do ios dev work?
[18:46] <imbrandon> not much man, not much
[18:46] <imbrandon> yea
[18:46] <nixternal> well that sucks
[18:46] <nixternal> send me a mac :D
[18:46] <imbrandon> heh brining 2 to uds
[18:46] <nixternal> since when you do mac shit? i never figured you for someone who would go and buy a mac
[18:46] <imbrandon> commin this time ?
[18:46] <nixternal> no
[18:46] <nixternal> i don't do uds anymore
[18:47] <imbrandon> heh all i own are macs now
[18:47] <imbrandon> and 2 iphones and a ipad :)
[18:47] <nixternal> heh. which macs do you have?
[18:47] <imbrandon> but they all run linux :)
[18:47] <nixternal> i should probably get at least a mac mini. that is cheap
[18:47] <imbrandon> newest mac mini, i7 quad core, 8gb ram 
[18:48] <imbrandon> then a macbook pro, i5
[18:48] <imbrandon> quad core 8gb ram
[18:48] <yofel> BluesKaj: sorry, I'm out of ideas then. nouveau should work as long as anything related to nvidia is removed.
[18:48] <imbrandon> then a older macbook core 2 duo
[18:48] <nixternal> itard! :p
[18:48] <imbrandon> 4gb ram
[18:48] <imbrandon> :)
[18:49] <imbrandon> you can do ios stuff if its just web fairly easy without a mac
[18:49] <imbrandon> but if you want native apps you need a mac + xcode + a ios dev license
[18:49] <imbrandon> for $100 a year
[18:49]  * imbrandon has all of the above
[18:51] <nixternal> ahh forget that noise
[18:51] <nixternal> i don't feel like coding for wanna be baristas
[18:51] <imbrandon> they pay extreemly well
[18:51] <imbrandon> :)
[18:52] <imbrandon> a native ios project normaly starts about $10k before you even say what you want the app to be called
[18:53] <imbrandon> and they eat it up
[18:53] <imbrandon> assuming you can deliver
[18:53] <imbrandon> erc
[18:53] <imbrandon> etc*
[18:54] <nixternal> it is such a saturated market. hrmm, though $10k for yet another fart app sounds enticing
[18:54] <imbrandon> lol
[18:54] <nixternal> i will stick with wonderful world of java
[18:54] <nixternal> that's about as evil as i want to get for the time being
[18:55] <nixternal> imbrandon: you still in KC these days?
[18:55] <imbrandon> yup
[18:55] <nixternal> didn't you move down south for a little while? or am i thinking of someone else
[18:56] <imbrandon> yea moved to Nashville for a few yrs
[18:56] <imbrandon> then to Reno NV
[18:56] <imbrandon> now back in KC, lookin to move out to Cali maybe
[18:56] <nixternal> hrmm, trying to get into country music, then wanted to work the moonlight bunny ranch ey :p
[18:56] <imbrandon> lol
[18:56] <Darkwing> nixternal, once i get to Fort Wayne ill be planning a trip to Chicago
[18:57] <nixternal> 3.5 hours away :)
[18:57] <nixternal> and why fort wayne?
[18:58] <Darkwing> indiana institute of technology and family
[18:58] <nixternal> why the hell won't gparted get in my damn live-build
[21:10] <Ezim> hi guys is it only for me or other also. when I try to copy things from libreoffice with mouse it crashes.
[21:13] <ScottK> Works for me.
[21:14] <Ezim> ScottK, are you running 12.04?
[21:14] <ScottK> Yes.  i386.
[21:14] <Ezim> I am running latest libreoffice from ppa
[21:14] <ScottK> OK.
[21:14] <Ezim> maybe :) ninja packagers that bugs 
[21:14] <Riddell> Ezim: we do kde here, libreoffice better in #ubuntu{,-devel}
[21:15] <Ezim> Riddell, :) I am running kde/kubuntu. 
[21:17] <Riddell> Ezim: kubuntu is just the kde packages in ubuntu, libreoffice is looked after by the desktop team
[21:17] <Riddell> which isn't us
[21:18] <Ezim> Riddell, thx.
[21:27] <BluesKaj> reinstalled 12.04 / , but I'm not "upgrading" to 4.8.3 again .. so please don't ask , this last 'test" was almost a disaster...managed to get most of my settings etc back , but it was a waste of 5 hrs , just upgrading a point kde . :P