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| Lindon-Wynta | md_5 | 07:39 |
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| md_5 | mhm | 07:39 |
| Lindon-Wynta | By the way, Pathscale Compiler (EkoPath), is now free under GPL :) | 07:40 |
| Lindon-Wynta | As version 4 | 07:40 |
| Lindon-Wynta | You mention the other night that it started at $1,700 | 07:40 |
| jaddi27 | evening all | 11:10 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Hello jaddi27 | 11:16 |
| jaddi27 | Hi Lindon-Wynta | 11:16 |
| jaddi27 | did you sort out your offline repo? | 11:16 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Not yet, jaddi27 | 11:21 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Almost pulled openSUSE | 11:21 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Doing the last of it now | 11:21 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Done over 100 repos for SUSE | 11:21 |
| jaddi27 | that would be a fair bit then | 11:21 |
| Lindon-Wynta | jaddi27, Then I will finish the Ubuntu Precise repo | 11:21 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Yeah it is a lot | 11:21 |
| jaddi27 | what are you planning to do with all of it? install a lot of computers? | 11:22 |
| Lindon-Wynta | It's for offline use. I'm moving soon and it's quite possible that there will be no DSL there, since the area is a bit bad for DSL. | 11:22 |
| jaddi27 | ah, ok | 11:23 |
| Lindon-Wynta | That, and since I'll be using openSUSE 12.1 (despit not being LTS) and Ubuntu 12.04 for years, I'd like a local copy | 11:23 |
| jaddi27 | That makes more sense. If it was just to have an offline copy, I couldn't see the point, but I can understand it | 11:23 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Figure I got 6TB of hard drive space, more with my new system I'm building... so..... | 11:23 |
| jaddi27 | You could set up your own server soon | 11:24 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Yes... | 11:24 |
| Lindon-Wynta | If I was going to just use openSUSE 12.1 and Ubuntu 12.04 for 6 months or so, I wound't bother | 11:24 |
| Lindon-Wynta | *wouldn't | 11:24 |
| Lindon-Wynta | But since I plan on years out of it.... | 11:25 |
| jaddi27 | That is one good thing about Ubuntu - the LTS releases | 11:25 |
| Lindon-Wynta | With openSUSE, they actually take all the repos offline after the support period ends for that release, which is 18 months. openSUSE 12.1 came out in November last year.... | 11:25 |
| Lindon-Wynta | So even with DSL, I'll need a copy of the SUSE repos if I intend on staying with that release | 11:26 |
| Lindon-Wynta | SUSE in total so far is 113 GB | 11:27 |
| Lindon-Wynta | With still some more to do | 11:27 |
| jaddi27 | That is a bit annoying. I would have thought it would stay around for longer, but I guess it forces people to update | 11:28 |
| jaddi27 | The Ubuntu one would be a bit smaller, wouldn't it? | 11:28 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Yeah, the problem is that SUSE does have an LTS, but it's not free. | 11:28 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Ubuntu repo is 99GB | 11:28 |
| Lindon-Wynta | But, that's not including some of the PPA's I'll grab | 11:28 |
| Lindon-Wynta | SUSE repo system is different - just about everything is in another repo | 11:29 |
| jaddi27 | It is a while since I last tried SUSE, so I don't remember what it was like. Do you find the Ubuntu or SUSE package system easier? | 11:30 |
| Lindon-Wynta | SUSE, by far | 11:30 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Example.... | 11:30 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Creating a "local repo", like on a hard disk, on Debian based systems isn't hard, but it's not as easy as SUSE. | 11:31 |
| Lindon-Wynta | 2 secs | 11:31 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Back. | 11:32 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Sorry | 11:32 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Ok so,.... | 11:32 |
| Lindon-Wynta | In SUSE, if I want too add a local repo, say on a hard disk, I enter.... zypper ar my/dir/with/rpms local | 11:32 |
| Lindon-Wynta | And that it's | 11:32 |
| Lindon-Wynta | *That's it | 11:32 |
| jaddi27 | yes, that is a bit different | 11:33 |
| Lindon-Wynta | You can add a plain RPM directory, where you can literally dump any RPM in there, and it's still treated as a repo | 11:33 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Or, you can add a proper repo, with the keys etc | 11:33 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Um... | 11:33 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Even ISO images as repos | 11:34 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Many options | 11:34 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Zypper is much smarter too | 11:34 |
| jaddi27 | Yes, certainly are | 11:34 |
| dns53 | ubuntu is currently 485G | 11:34 |
| jaddi27 | might have to download SUSE and see how it is now | 11:35 |
| Lindon-Wynta | dns53, That's probably for every release? | 11:35 |
| dns53 | Lindon-Wynta yes and that is excluding the iso's | 11:35 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Ahh yeah | 11:35 |
| Lindon-Wynta | I'm only going to be running Precise, as far as Ubuntu goes | 11:36 |
| Lindon-Wynta | I love it so much too | 11:36 |
| Lindon-Wynta | <3 | 11:36 |
| jaddi27 | so Gnome 3 or Unity for you? | 11:36 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Unity | 11:36 |
| Lindon-Wynta | I do somewhat prefer KDE over Unity tho | 11:36 |
| Lindon-Wynta | But I do love Unity | 11:36 |
| jaddi27 | So do you use KDE on SUSE? | 11:37 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Yup | 11:37 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Although, there is a Unity repo for SUSE, it's apparently buggy and incomplete | 11:38 |
| Lindon-Wynta | I must try Snapper sometime too | 11:38 |
| jaddi27 | I didn't realise there was a port of Unity for SUSE. Would be interesting to see it | 11:39 |
| jaddi27 | Snapper sounds interesting | 11:39 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Snapper, is an openSUSE tool for BTRFS. It's fully integrated into the release | 11:39 |
| Lindon-Wynta | You can go and undo any file / update changes, graphically | 11:39 |
| Lindon-Wynta | via YAST | 11:39 |
| Lindon-Wynta | And CLI, of course | 11:39 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Since all of Yast fully works in CLI | 11:40 |
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| Lindon-Wynta | jaddi27, I forgot to mention.... | 12:34 |
| jaddi27 | Lindon-Wynta, go ahead | 12:34 |
| Lindon-Wynta | openSUSE does have "Evergreen" - a community thing that supports discontiuned versions | 12:35 |
| Lindon-Wynta | And 'Tumbleeed" - a rolling release, which uses stable, cutting edge packages | 12:35 |
| Lindon-Wynta | *Tumbleweed | 12:35 |
| jaddi27 | So evergreen is sort of like a community run version of LTS openSUSE? | 12:35 |
| Lindon-Wynta | yes | 12:35 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Pretty much | 12:35 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Not as good as LTS tho | 12:35 |
| jaddi27 | Well that is a good thing to have, especially in your circumstances with needing a repo | 12:36 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Tumbleweed isn't as bleeding edge as say Arch, but it's more tested. | 12:36 |
| jaddi27 | Probably better with a bit more testing anyway | 12:36 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Problem with Evergreen, is that they still don't provide all the repos once they are gone | 12:37 |
| jaddi27 | At least it would be better than nothing at all | 12:37 |
| Lindon-Wynta | True | 12:38 |
| Lindon-Wynta | I'm actually really interested in Ubuntu + the "talks" they are having with EA / Valve, with regards to games | 12:41 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Would be very interesting to see if they can fix the 3D game performance when running Compiz / Unity | 12:42 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Even the whole desktop suffers when running some games + Compiz together :/ | 12:43 |
| jaddi27 | It would be really good if they bring more games to Ubuntu - it will make it a competitive platform for gaming | 12:48 |
| jaddi27 | and would help a lot with convincing some of my friends that Ubuntu is worth using | 12:48 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Yes | 12:53 |
| Lindon-Wynta | But | 12:53 |
| Lindon-Wynta | They really need to fix Compiz performance on 3D games :/ | 12:53 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Otherwise people will run away in droves | 12:53 |
| Lindon-Wynta | One of the reasons I prefer KDE - the compositor on KDE at least allows me to use my desktop and play games at the same time without much, if any, performance hit. On Unity / Compiz, the entire desktop is sluggish when playing, Minecraft for example, and the game gets low FPS. | 12:55 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Back in the days of Gnome 2, I use to have the applet that allows switching on the fly from Metacity to Compiz, or vice-versa, depending on if I was gaming or not. | 12:57 |
| Lindon-Wynta | It's that bad, I actually usually just quit my game, even if just looking something up in Firefox for 2 mins | 12:57 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Instead of just switching | 12:58 |
| jaddi27 | Yes, that is an issue I have seen, more so with Intel graphics | 13:01 |
| Lindon-Wynta | I have an Nvidia GTS 250 (basically a 9800GTX +) 512MB | 13:02 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Shouldn't be an issue | 13:02 |
| jaddi27 | There should be something that can be done - and anyone can work on it luckily, so maybe even EA would help out | 13:02 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Yup | 13:02 |
| Lindon-Wynta | My hopes are that they do fix it, before the.... "OMG!!! GAMES ON LINUX!!!!111" rush | 13:03 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Then they go back to Windows and laugh at us more :/ | 13:03 |
| jaddi27 | Yes, hopefully, though maybe the games on linux rush will force them to act on it quicker | 13:03 |
| Lindon-Wynta | In my opinion tho, Linux has better quality games anyway | 13:04 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Minecraft etc | 13:04 |
| Lindon-Wynta | But I know, the masses want Call Of Duty etc | 13:04 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Tho I would like TF2, Fortunately, that's coming to Linux :) | 13:05 |
| Lindon-Wynta | I dunno, it's not so much an issue for me, any game I play on Linux I either run native get working thru WINE - even the ones that "don't work on Wine at all" | 13:05 |
| Lindon-Wynta | *or get working | 13:06 |
| jaddi27 | I am not into games at all, so don't mind too much. But knowing what my friends are playing, bringing games to linux will only be a good thing | 13:06 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Yah | 13:06 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Still love my games | 13:06 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Have over 3,000 DOS games | 13:07 |
| Lindon-Wynta | And... lots more others | 13:07 |
| Lindon-Wynta | DosBox works great when compiled under Pathscale compiler | 13:07 |
| Lindon-Wynta | huge performance gain | 13:07 |
| jaddi27 | the dos ones should be fine on linux | 13:07 |
| Lindon-Wynta | that's one reason why I'm looking at AMD Bulldozer / Piledriver for my next system - even tho some benchmarks aren't as good as Core i5 / i7, it does have loads of nice instructions which I love. | 13:08 |
| Lindon-Wynta | And other reasons... | 13:09 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Many people don't think about their CPU instructions, but it's actually quite important | 13:09 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Especially in the days of virtualization ect | 13:09 |
| Lindon-Wynta | *etc | 13:10 |
| jaddi27 | Yes, it is. Luckily both families are very similar nowadays | 13:10 |
| Lindon-Wynta | My systems are built to last 4 - 5 years | 13:10 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Which is one reason why I consider instructions important | 13:10 |
| jaddi27 | Well I will be off for the night. Might see you in here another time Lindon-Wynta | 13:12 |
| Lindon-Wynta | Cya jaddi27 | 13:13 |
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