[07:39] <Lindon-Wynta> md_5
[07:39] <md_5> mhm
[07:40] <Lindon-Wynta> By the way, Pathscale Compiler (EkoPath), is now free under GPL :)
[07:40] <Lindon-Wynta> As version 4
[07:40] <Lindon-Wynta> You mention the other night that it started at $1,700
[11:10] <jaddi27> evening all
[11:16] <Lindon-Wynta> Hello jaddi27 
[11:16] <jaddi27> Hi Lindon-Wynta
[11:16] <jaddi27> did you sort out your offline repo?
[11:21] <Lindon-Wynta> Not yet, jaddi27 
[11:21] <Lindon-Wynta> Almost pulled openSUSE
[11:21] <Lindon-Wynta> Doing the last of it now
[11:21] <Lindon-Wynta> Done over 100 repos for SUSE
[11:21] <jaddi27> that would be a fair bit then
[11:21] <Lindon-Wynta> jaddi27, Then I will finish the Ubuntu Precise repo
[11:21] <Lindon-Wynta> Yeah it is a lot
[11:22] <jaddi27> what are you planning to do with all of it? install a lot of computers?
[11:22] <Lindon-Wynta> It's for offline use. I'm moving soon and it's quite possible that there will be no DSL there, since the area is a bit bad for DSL.
[11:23] <jaddi27> ah, ok
[11:23] <Lindon-Wynta> That, and since I'll be using openSUSE 12.1 (despit not being LTS) and Ubuntu 12.04 for years, I'd like a local copy
[11:23] <jaddi27> That makes more sense. If it was just to have an offline copy, I couldn't see the point, but I can understand it
[11:23] <Lindon-Wynta> Figure I got 6TB of hard drive space, more with my new system I'm building... so.....
[11:24] <jaddi27> You could set up your own server soon
[11:24] <Lindon-Wynta> Yes...
[11:24] <Lindon-Wynta> If I was going to just use openSUSE 12.1 and Ubuntu 12.04 for 6 months or so, I wound't bother
[11:24] <Lindon-Wynta> *wouldn't
[11:25] <Lindon-Wynta> But since I plan on years out of it....
[11:25] <jaddi27> That is one good thing about Ubuntu - the LTS releases
[11:25] <Lindon-Wynta> With openSUSE, they actually take all the repos offline after the support period ends for that release, which is 18 months. openSUSE 12.1 came out in November last year....
[11:26] <Lindon-Wynta> So even with DSL, I'll need a copy of the SUSE repos if I intend on staying with that release
[11:27] <Lindon-Wynta> SUSE in total so far is 113 GB
[11:27] <Lindon-Wynta> With still some more to do
[11:28] <jaddi27> That is a bit annoying. I would have thought it would stay around for longer, but I guess it forces people to update
[11:28] <jaddi27> The Ubuntu one would be a bit smaller, wouldn't it?
[11:28] <Lindon-Wynta> Yeah, the problem is that SUSE does have an LTS, but it's not free.
[11:28] <Lindon-Wynta> Ubuntu repo is 99GB
[11:28] <Lindon-Wynta> But, that's not including some of the PPA's I'll grab
[11:29] <Lindon-Wynta> SUSE repo system is different - just about everything is in another repo
[11:30] <jaddi27> It is a while since I last tried SUSE, so I don't remember what it was like. Do you find the Ubuntu or SUSE package system easier?
[11:30] <Lindon-Wynta> SUSE, by far
[11:30] <Lindon-Wynta> Example....
[11:31] <Lindon-Wynta> Creating a "local repo", like on a hard disk, on Debian based systems isn't hard, but it's not as easy as SUSE.
[11:31] <Lindon-Wynta> 2 secs
[11:32] <Lindon-Wynta> Back.
[11:32] <Lindon-Wynta> Sorry
[11:32] <Lindon-Wynta> Ok so,....
[11:32] <Lindon-Wynta> In SUSE, if I want too add a local repo, say on a hard disk, I enter.... zypper ar my/dir/with/rpms local
[11:32] <Lindon-Wynta> And that it's
[11:32] <Lindon-Wynta> *That's it
[11:33] <jaddi27> yes, that is a bit different
[11:33] <Lindon-Wynta> You can add a plain RPM directory, where you can literally dump any RPM in there, and it's still treated as a repo
[11:33] <Lindon-Wynta> Or, you can add a proper repo, with the keys etc
[11:33] <Lindon-Wynta> Um...
[11:34] <Lindon-Wynta> Even ISO images as repos
[11:34] <Lindon-Wynta> Many options
[11:34] <Lindon-Wynta> Zypper is much smarter too
[11:34] <jaddi27> Yes, certainly are
[11:34] <dns53> ubuntu is currently 485G
[11:35] <jaddi27> might have to download SUSE and see how it is now
[11:35] <Lindon-Wynta> dns53, That's probably for every release?
[11:35] <dns53> Lindon-Wynta yes and that is excluding the iso's
[11:35] <Lindon-Wynta> Ahh yeah
[11:36] <Lindon-Wynta> I'm only going to be running Precise, as far as Ubuntu goes
[11:36] <Lindon-Wynta> I love it so much too
[11:36] <Lindon-Wynta> <3
[11:36] <jaddi27> so Gnome 3 or Unity for you?
[11:36] <Lindon-Wynta> Unity
[11:36] <Lindon-Wynta> I do somewhat prefer KDE over Unity tho
[11:36] <Lindon-Wynta> But I do love Unity
[11:37] <jaddi27> So do you use KDE on SUSE?
[11:37] <Lindon-Wynta> Yup
[11:38] <Lindon-Wynta> Although, there is a Unity repo for SUSE, it's apparently buggy and incomplete
[11:38] <Lindon-Wynta> I must try Snapper sometime too
[11:39] <jaddi27> I didn't realise there was a port of Unity for SUSE. Would be interesting to see it
[11:39] <jaddi27> Snapper sounds interesting
[11:39] <Lindon-Wynta> Snapper, is an openSUSE tool for BTRFS. It's fully integrated into the release
[11:39] <Lindon-Wynta> You can go and undo any file / update changes, graphically
[11:39] <Lindon-Wynta> via YAST
[11:39] <Lindon-Wynta> And CLI, of course
[11:40] <Lindon-Wynta> Since all of Yast fully works in CLI
[12:34] <Lindon-Wynta> jaddi27, I forgot to mention....
[12:34] <jaddi27> Lindon-Wynta, go ahead
[12:35] <Lindon-Wynta> openSUSE does have "Evergreen" - a community thing that supports discontiuned versions
[12:35] <Lindon-Wynta> And 'Tumbleeed" - a rolling release, which uses stable, cutting edge packages
[12:35] <Lindon-Wynta> *Tumbleweed
[12:35] <jaddi27> So evergreen is sort of like a community run version of LTS openSUSE?
[12:35] <Lindon-Wynta> yes
[12:35] <Lindon-Wynta> Pretty much
[12:35] <Lindon-Wynta> Not as good as LTS tho
[12:36] <jaddi27> Well that is a good thing to have, especially in your circumstances with needing a repo
[12:36] <Lindon-Wynta> Tumbleweed isn't as bleeding edge as say Arch, but it's more tested.
[12:36] <jaddi27> Probably better with a bit more testing anyway
[12:37] <Lindon-Wynta> Problem with Evergreen, is that they still don't provide all the repos once they are gone
[12:37] <jaddi27> At least it would be better than nothing at all
[12:38] <Lindon-Wynta> True
[12:41] <Lindon-Wynta> I'm actually really interested in Ubuntu + the "talks" they are having with EA / Valve, with regards to games
[12:42] <Lindon-Wynta> Would be very interesting to see if they can fix the 3D game performance when running Compiz / Unity
[12:43] <Lindon-Wynta> Even the whole desktop suffers when running some games + Compiz together :/
[12:48] <jaddi27> It would be really good if they bring more games to Ubuntu - it will make it a competitive platform for gaming
[12:48] <jaddi27> and would help a lot with convincing some of my friends that Ubuntu is worth using
[12:53] <Lindon-Wynta> Yes
[12:53] <Lindon-Wynta> But
[12:53] <Lindon-Wynta> They really need to fix Compiz performance on 3D games :/
[12:53] <Lindon-Wynta> Otherwise people will run away in droves
[12:55] <Lindon-Wynta> One of the reasons I prefer KDE - the compositor on KDE at least allows me to use my desktop and play games at the same time without much, if any, performance hit. On Unity / Compiz, the entire desktop is sluggish when playing, Minecraft for example, and the game gets low FPS.
[12:57] <Lindon-Wynta> Back in the days of Gnome 2, I use to have the applet that allows switching on the fly from Metacity to Compiz, or vice-versa, depending on if I was gaming or not.
[12:57] <Lindon-Wynta> It's that bad, I actually usually just quit my game, even if just looking something up in Firefox for 2 mins
[12:58] <Lindon-Wynta> Instead of just switching
[13:01] <jaddi27> Yes, that is an issue I have seen, more so with Intel graphics
[13:02] <Lindon-Wynta> I have an Nvidia GTS 250 (basically a 9800GTX +) 512MB
[13:02] <Lindon-Wynta> Shouldn't be an issue
[13:02] <jaddi27> There should be something that can be done - and anyone can work on it luckily, so maybe even EA would help out
[13:02] <Lindon-Wynta> Yup
[13:03] <Lindon-Wynta> My hopes are that they do fix it, before the.... "OMG!!! GAMES ON LINUX!!!!111" rush
[13:03] <Lindon-Wynta> Then they go back to Windows and laugh at us more :/
[13:03] <jaddi27> Yes, hopefully, though maybe the games on linux rush will force them to act on it quicker
[13:04] <Lindon-Wynta> In my opinion tho, Linux has better quality games anyway
[13:04] <Lindon-Wynta> Minecraft etc
[13:04] <Lindon-Wynta> But I know, the masses want Call Of Duty etc
[13:05] <Lindon-Wynta> Tho I would like TF2, Fortunately, that's coming to Linux :)
[13:05] <Lindon-Wynta> I dunno, it's not so much an issue for me, any game I play on Linux I either run native get working thru WINE - even the ones that "don't work on Wine at all"
[13:06] <Lindon-Wynta> *or get working
[13:06] <jaddi27> I am not into games at all, so don't mind too much. But knowing what my friends are playing, bringing games to linux will only be a good thing
[13:06] <Lindon-Wynta> Yah
[13:06] <Lindon-Wynta> Still love my games
[13:07] <Lindon-Wynta> Have over 3,000 DOS games
[13:07] <Lindon-Wynta> And... lots more others
[13:07] <Lindon-Wynta> DosBox works great when compiled under Pathscale compiler
[13:07] <Lindon-Wynta> huge performance gain
[13:07] <jaddi27> the dos ones should be fine on linux
[13:08] <Lindon-Wynta> that's one reason why I'm looking at AMD Bulldozer / Piledriver for my next system - even tho some benchmarks aren't as good as Core i5 / i7, it does have loads of nice instructions which I love.
[13:09] <Lindon-Wynta> And other reasons...
[13:09] <Lindon-Wynta> Many people don't think about their CPU instructions, but it's actually quite important
[13:09] <Lindon-Wynta> Especially in the days of virtualization ect
[13:10] <Lindon-Wynta> *etc
[13:10] <jaddi27> Yes, it is. Luckily both families are very similar nowadays
[13:10] <Lindon-Wynta> My systems are built to last 4 - 5 years
[13:10] <Lindon-Wynta> Which is one reason why I consider instructions important
[13:12] <jaddi27> Well I will be off for the night. Might see you in here another time Lindon-Wynta
[13:13] <Lindon-Wynta> Cya jaddi27