=== md_5|away is now known as md_5 [07:39] md_5 [07:39] mhm [07:40] By the way, Pathscale Compiler (EkoPath), is now free under GPL :) [07:40] As version 4 [07:40] You mention the other night that it started at $1,700 [11:10] evening all [11:16] Hello jaddi27 [11:16] Hi Lindon-Wynta [11:16] did you sort out your offline repo? [11:21] Not yet, jaddi27 [11:21] Almost pulled openSUSE [11:21] Doing the last of it now [11:21] Done over 100 repos for SUSE [11:21] that would be a fair bit then [11:21] jaddi27, Then I will finish the Ubuntu Precise repo [11:21] Yeah it is a lot [11:22] what are you planning to do with all of it? install a lot of computers? [11:22] It's for offline use. I'm moving soon and it's quite possible that there will be no DSL there, since the area is a bit bad for DSL. [11:23] ah, ok [11:23] That, and since I'll be using openSUSE 12.1 (despit not being LTS) and Ubuntu 12.04 for years, I'd like a local copy [11:23] That makes more sense. If it was just to have an offline copy, I couldn't see the point, but I can understand it [11:23] Figure I got 6TB of hard drive space, more with my new system I'm building... so..... [11:24] You could set up your own server soon [11:24] Yes... [11:24] If I was going to just use openSUSE 12.1 and Ubuntu 12.04 for 6 months or so, I wound't bother [11:24] *wouldn't [11:25] But since I plan on years out of it.... [11:25] That is one good thing about Ubuntu - the LTS releases [11:25] With openSUSE, they actually take all the repos offline after the support period ends for that release, which is 18 months. openSUSE 12.1 came out in November last year.... [11:26] So even with DSL, I'll need a copy of the SUSE repos if I intend on staying with that release [11:27] SUSE in total so far is 113 GB [11:27] With still some more to do [11:28] That is a bit annoying. I would have thought it would stay around for longer, but I guess it forces people to update [11:28] The Ubuntu one would be a bit smaller, wouldn't it? [11:28] Yeah, the problem is that SUSE does have an LTS, but it's not free. [11:28] Ubuntu repo is 99GB [11:28] But, that's not including some of the PPA's I'll grab [11:29] SUSE repo system is different - just about everything is in another repo [11:30] It is a while since I last tried SUSE, so I don't remember what it was like. Do you find the Ubuntu or SUSE package system easier? [11:30] SUSE, by far [11:30] Example.... [11:31] Creating a "local repo", like on a hard disk, on Debian based systems isn't hard, but it's not as easy as SUSE. [11:31] 2 secs [11:32] Back. [11:32] Sorry [11:32] Ok so,.... [11:32] In SUSE, if I want too add a local repo, say on a hard disk, I enter.... zypper ar my/dir/with/rpms local [11:32] And that it's [11:32] *That's it [11:33] yes, that is a bit different [11:33] You can add a plain RPM directory, where you can literally dump any RPM in there, and it's still treated as a repo [11:33] Or, you can add a proper repo, with the keys etc [11:33] Um... [11:34] Even ISO images as repos [11:34] Many options [11:34] Zypper is much smarter too [11:34] Yes, certainly are [11:34] ubuntu is currently 485G [11:35] might have to download SUSE and see how it is now [11:35] dns53, That's probably for every release? [11:35] Lindon-Wynta yes and that is excluding the iso's [11:35] Ahh yeah [11:36] I'm only going to be running Precise, as far as Ubuntu goes [11:36] I love it so much too [11:36] <3 [11:36] so Gnome 3 or Unity for you? [11:36] Unity [11:36] I do somewhat prefer KDE over Unity tho [11:36] But I do love Unity [11:37] So do you use KDE on SUSE? [11:37] Yup [11:38] Although, there is a Unity repo for SUSE, it's apparently buggy and incomplete [11:38] I must try Snapper sometime too [11:39] I didn't realise there was a port of Unity for SUSE. Would be interesting to see it [11:39] Snapper sounds interesting [11:39] Snapper, is an openSUSE tool for BTRFS. It's fully integrated into the release [11:39] You can go and undo any file / update changes, graphically [11:39] via YAST [11:39] And CLI, of course [11:40] Since all of Yast fully works in CLI === md_5 is now known as md_5|away [12:34] jaddi27, I forgot to mention.... [12:34] Lindon-Wynta, go ahead [12:35] openSUSE does have "Evergreen" - a community thing that supports discontiuned versions [12:35] And 'Tumbleeed" - a rolling release, which uses stable, cutting edge packages [12:35] *Tumbleweed [12:35] So evergreen is sort of like a community run version of LTS openSUSE? [12:35] yes [12:35] Pretty much [12:35] Not as good as LTS tho [12:36] Well that is a good thing to have, especially in your circumstances with needing a repo [12:36] Tumbleweed isn't as bleeding edge as say Arch, but it's more tested. [12:36] Probably better with a bit more testing anyway [12:37] Problem with Evergreen, is that they still don't provide all the repos once they are gone [12:37] At least it would be better than nothing at all [12:38] True [12:41] I'm actually really interested in Ubuntu + the "talks" they are having with EA / Valve, with regards to games [12:42] Would be very interesting to see if they can fix the 3D game performance when running Compiz / Unity [12:43] Even the whole desktop suffers when running some games + Compiz together :/ [12:48] It would be really good if they bring more games to Ubuntu - it will make it a competitive platform for gaming [12:48] and would help a lot with convincing some of my friends that Ubuntu is worth using [12:53] Yes [12:53] But [12:53] They really need to fix Compiz performance on 3D games :/ [12:53] Otherwise people will run away in droves [12:55] One of the reasons I prefer KDE - the compositor on KDE at least allows me to use my desktop and play games at the same time without much, if any, performance hit. On Unity / Compiz, the entire desktop is sluggish when playing, Minecraft for example, and the game gets low FPS. [12:57] Back in the days of Gnome 2, I use to have the applet that allows switching on the fly from Metacity to Compiz, or vice-versa, depending on if I was gaming or not. [12:57] It's that bad, I actually usually just quit my game, even if just looking something up in Firefox for 2 mins [12:58] Instead of just switching [13:01] Yes, that is an issue I have seen, more so with Intel graphics [13:02] I have an Nvidia GTS 250 (basically a 9800GTX +) 512MB [13:02] Shouldn't be an issue [13:02] There should be something that can be done - and anyone can work on it luckily, so maybe even EA would help out [13:02] Yup [13:03] My hopes are that they do fix it, before the.... "OMG!!! GAMES ON LINUX!!!!111" rush [13:03] Then they go back to Windows and laugh at us more :/ [13:03] Yes, hopefully, though maybe the games on linux rush will force them to act on it quicker [13:04] In my opinion tho, Linux has better quality games anyway [13:04] Minecraft etc [13:04] But I know, the masses want Call Of Duty etc [13:05] Tho I would like TF2, Fortunately, that's coming to Linux :) [13:05] I dunno, it's not so much an issue for me, any game I play on Linux I either run native get working thru WINE - even the ones that "don't work on Wine at all" [13:06] *or get working [13:06] I am not into games at all, so don't mind too much. But knowing what my friends are playing, bringing games to linux will only be a good thing [13:06] Yah [13:06] Still love my games [13:07] Have over 3,000 DOS games [13:07] And... lots more others [13:07] DosBox works great when compiled under Pathscale compiler [13:07] huge performance gain [13:07] the dos ones should be fine on linux [13:08] that's one reason why I'm looking at AMD Bulldozer / Piledriver for my next system - even tho some benchmarks aren't as good as Core i5 / i7, it does have loads of nice instructions which I love. [13:09] And other reasons... [13:09] Many people don't think about their CPU instructions, but it's actually quite important [13:09] Especially in the days of virtualization ect [13:10] *etc [13:10] Yes, it is. Luckily both families are very similar nowadays [13:10] My systems are built to last 4 - 5 years [13:10] Which is one reason why I consider instructions important [13:12] Well I will be off for the night. Might see you in here another time Lindon-Wynta [13:13] Cya jaddi27 === md_5|away is now known as md_5