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| amithkk | There's been a change in presenters | 08:09 |
| amithkk | I will probably be doing the Ask Ubuntu Session at 13:00 | 08:09 |
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| amithkk | <start> | 12:48 |
| jrgifford | jokerdino: is it time then? | 12:51 |
| jokerdino | 10 minuts to go | 12:51 |
| amithkk | uh | 12:51 |
| amithkk | We're not voiced | 12:52 |
| jokerdino | backstage both of you | 12:52 |
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| ClassBot | Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/04/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. | 13:01 |
| jrgifford | Hello everyone! | 13:01 |
| jrgifford | I'm James Gifford, a community elected moderator of Ask Ubuntu (http://askubuntu.com) and today I'll outlining different, less known ways, to get the most out of Ask Ubuntu. | 13:02 |
| jrgifford | With me today I have amithkk and jokerdino, two of Ask Ubuntu's more active users - they'll be in #ubuntu-classroom-chat answering questions and stuff as well. | 13:02 |
| jrgifford | Ask Ubuntu is unlike most other community support sites available today, because it operates on a very narrow scope - that is, Ask Questions, Get Answers. | 13:03 |
| jrgifford | In that respect, items on the site, unlike in IRC or Forums, are not threaded. Instead they're sorted by votes - which is probably the biggest change for anyone who is used to a linear chat like forums, mailing lists and IRC. | 13:04 |
| jrgifford | So I'm going to be jumping around on a lot of topics in this session, so if you have any questions please, go ahead and ask in the questions room. | 13:04 |
| jrgifford | So, finding solutions to a problem you have. If you land on the site looking for an answer to a question there are a few ways to get solutions | 13:04 |
| jrgifford | The primary method is searching - at the top of the site there's a search bar for entering in search terms. | 13:05 |
| jrgifford | Generally speaking, typing the question in that bar will yield the results you're looking for, but wadding through the results can be somewhat tedious, particularly if it's a rather popular subject like unity or ATI cards. | 13:06 |
| jrgifford | The search offers different methods to help narrow the scope of your search. Say you want to figure out how to configure Unity. | 13:06 |
| jrgifford | you *could* type in "How do I configure unity?", and what you're looking for is going to probably be 4-5 results down the first page. | 13:07 |
| jrgifford | but, you could narrow the scope a little bit, by searching for 'configure [unity]', and it will search for 'configure' in the unity tag. | 13:08 |
| jrgifford | So, what are tags? | 13:08 |
| jrgifford | tags are used on the site to organize what subjects the content of the questions are related to. | 13:08 |
| jrgifford | so if i have a problem with a broadcom wireless card, i'd tag it with [broadcom], not [intel]. | 13:09 |
| jrgifford | Each question has at least one tag with a maximum of 5. | 13:09 |
| jrgifford | and if you're asking a question about a specific version of ubuntu, you would tag it with [11.10] or [12.04] - so going back to the broadcom example, our tags might look like [12.04] [broadcom] | 13:10 |
| jrgifford | this helps not only sort the content of the site, but lets people know exactly what they're dealing with when reviewing your question. :) | 13:10 |
| jrgifford | Another method for finding a solution to your question, is to simply ask it! | 13:10 |
| jrgifford | At the top of the site there's an "Ask Question" button, which will allow you to type the subject, or title, of your question, a body, and tag the question. | 13:11 |
| jrgifford | For an effective question, try to make the title as short, sweet and to the point as possible. If your internet isn't working, don't enter something like "Internet broken, help! :(" as there isn't much that I can figure out from that question in that title. | 13:12 |
| jrgifford | Try to include a brief summary instead: "Wireless Broadcom BCM43xx not connecting" | 13:12 |
| jrgifford | That way, it'll catch the eye of people who actually understand that issue, as opposed to it possibly being glazed over because the title is just too vague. | 13:13 |
| jrgifford | You'll also want to avoid adding things like "on Ubuntu", or "on 10.04" in the title. We already know it's with Ubuntu, since you're on Ask Ubuntu! :D | 13:14 |
| jrgifford | Likewise, if it is actually something version specific (like say, your wireless card used to work in 11.10 but doesn't in 12.04), you can use the tags to help convey that information as it will help the taxonomy and for users searching. | 13:14 |
| jrgifford | After you type in your title the site will automatically give you a list of potential other questions that have been asked that match that criteria. I've found what I'm looking for on more than on occasion by looking at those questions closely - they actually are fairly accurate, sometimes better than the built-in search. | 13:15 |
| jrgifford | After you've entered a title, body, tags, and double checked to make sure that your question hasn't been asked anywhere else - you can submit your question to the site. | 13:16 |
| jrgifford | !Q | 13:18 |
| ClassBot | MrChrisDruif asked: why don't you have to add the version? Do you mean avoid it in the title and use a tag or ... ? | 13:18 |
| amithkk | No | 13:19 |
| jrgifford | Good question. So we avoid it in the title, but as jokerdino and amithkk mentioned in the -chat channel, the tags come first. | 13:19 |
| amithkk | !yes | 13:19 |
| jrgifford | so we add the version number as a tag, not as the title. | 13:19 |
| jrgifford | I'm going to go and jump over to a few ways the site works differently than say, the other support outlets. When you're using the site we try to avoid too much pointless discussion that doesn't really contribute to the end goal of solving the question/problem at hand. It's all about questions, and answers. :) | 13:21 |
| jrgifford | So you won't see many people replying "Thanks" or "this worked" or editing the question to say "solved", etc. | 13:22 |
| jrgifford | Instead to show your support of a solution, or question, you can use the arrows to vote an answer up or down. | 13:22 |
| jrgifford | For instance, if you come across a question that has yet to be answered and like, or agree, or are experiencing that same issue. You can use the Up Arrow to vote that question up. | 13:22 |
| jrgifford | Likewise, if there is a solution on that question that works for you - you can use the up arrows to communicate to everyone "This works for me!", the more upvotes an answer has, the higher up the list of answers it goes. | 13:23 |
| jrgifford | That way, the first answer you see on a question isn't necessarily the first person to answer, but instead the one that has the most upvotes by other users like you who have either tested or agree it addresses (answers) the question. | 13:23 |
| jrgifford | In the event something doesn't work, or is a solution you do not agree with you can always down vote that answer. | 13:23 |
| amithkk | But whenever applicable leave a comment explaining why you downvoted | 13:24 |
| jrgifford | That being said, it's encouraged that if you do downvote an answer, you leave a comment on that answer to explain why it was downvoted, and what the user could do to improve it. Something that really irks a lot of people is getting a answer downvoted for no explained reason - it's annoying if it's getting downvoted, and you don't know why (and therefore can't fix it!) | 13:24 |
| jrgifford | Finally, if you are the person who asked this question - and the solution works for you - you can use the "Accept Answer" button to show that this answer is the best provided and works for you. | 13:25 |
| jrgifford | Since I've been going on about voting, it's about time I explain exactly what voting does for users, and why's its such a "important" part of the site. | 13:26 |
| jrgifford | On Ask Ubuntu a user gain, or loses, reputation based on a number of things - votes are one of them. | 13:26 |
| jrgifford | Reputation is a lot like Karma on Launchpad only you gain it by using the site and having users up/down vote your content. Also, it doesn't evaporate over time. | 13:27 |
| jrgifford | You can also gain reputation in a few other manners - one such way is via a Bounty. | 13:29 |
| jrgifford | Bounties are a way to get a little extra attention to a question. Especially if you have a vested interest in an answer - in other words, it's in your interests to get this question answered as well - i generally do that when I have a issue with my wireless card or whatever, and someone already asked the question and is looking for an answer | 13:30 |
| jrgifford | Anyone can place a bounty on a question and offer between 50 and 500 of your own reputation to anyone who can answer the question in 7 days, and also give you an answer that solves your/the other users problem. | 13:31 |
| jrgifford | So in some respects, reputation is almost like a currency where you can send some of your reputation to the person who can provide the best solution to the question. | 13:32 |
| jrgifford | This also makes the question a featured question on the site: http://askubuntu.com/?tab=featured where it has it's own tab on the home page to highlight all the questions that have an open bounty. | 13:32 |
| amithkk | But the Bountier must award the bounty | 13:33 |
| jrgifford | it also gets tweeted on the twitter feed, and soon it will get blogged on the ubuntu planet as well. | 13:33 |
| jrgifford | amithkk is right, whoever starts the bounty has to award the bounty, otherwise it evaporates, and you'll never see the reputation again. to be honest, it's a bit of a gamble | 13:33 |
| jrgifford | So, lets move on to the topic of duplicate questions. | 13:34 |
| jrgifford | Answering a question with the same answer over and over again doesn't to much help to the question or the quality of that question. If something happens, and it changes, it's much easier to update it in one place instead of in 30 answers. | 13:35 |
| jrgifford | also, what happens from occasionally is that someone may beat you to "the punch" with an answer. The site will load a banner as you're answering - which warns you "HEY! Someone has just posted an answer - want to see it?" | 13:35 |
| jrgifford | then the other answer will load, and you can decide if your answer will add anything. | 13:36 |
| jrgifford | So if someone posts a one line answer like "Oh just edit the xorg file, then reboot" that really is not a good choice for a high quality answer, well written answer. | 13:37 |
| amithkk | But Don't go posting the answer if it has little to add the existing one | 13:37 |
| jrgifford | If you can provide a greater answer with more quality then I say go for it. People will usually gravitate and upvote the answer with higher quality. | 13:37 |
| jrgifford | So, you've gained all this reputation - now what do i do with it? | 13:38 |
| jrgifford | Ask Ubuntu is shaped like a pyramid - at the bottom, you have all the new users who have come to the site, perhaps just once via a search engine, found the answer and left. | 13:40 |
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| jrgifford | The next smaller level are those who have bothered to create an account, maybe ask a question or give a few answers. More or less they maybe come, hang out for a little, then leave for about 6-8 months until they have another problem that is in need of solving. | 13:40 |
| jrgifford | So far, all of these users are great -they're what we run the site for - that is, keeping an up-to-date repository of questions, and valid answers. | 13:42 |
| jrgifford | The more you vote, the more you edit, the more quality answers and questions you provide - the higher your reputation. The more reputation you gain the more tools Ask Ubuntu gives you. Things like editing without needing community approval, voting to close questions as off-topic, duplicates etc, and a variety of other tools outlined over here : http://askubuntu.com/privileges. | 13:42 |
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| amithkk | !Q | 13:44 |
| jrgifford | The higher your reputation, the higher up the pyramid you go, which in turn provides you more access and privileges on the site. | 13:44 |
| ClassBot | amithkk asked: Can I ever loose the privilege to ask questions on Ask Ubuntu | 13:44 |
| jrgifford | Good question. The short answer is: No, except for some extraordinary cases. | 13:45 |
| jrgifford | The long answer is that if you consistently contribute low-quality questions and answers, as well as being rude, snide comments etc, then the system might do a automatic question ban. however, i've only seen one or two of those in the past year, so it's not that big of an issue if you contribute high quality stuff. | 13:46 |
| jrgifford | So I'm going to hand it off to amithkk while he talks about editing, and what that consists of. | 13:48 |
| amithkk | So, jrgifford has spoken a lot about editing, and I want to go over what that entails. Anyone, at anytime, can edit any question or answer on the site. | 13:48 |
| amithkk | If you don't like this concept - Ask Ubuntu may not be the best place for you. However, it isn't just a limited reign of chaos with users editing in funny text. | 13:48 |
| amithkk | All users with less than 2,000 reputation have to have their edits approved. The trade off is - if your edit is approved, the site awards your 2 points of reputation for having to wait for making something more awesome. | 13:49 |
| amithkk | However, after 2k, you stop getting this +2 for each edit | 13:49 |
| amithkk | Furthermore, all edits on the site are tracked, similar to Wikipedia, in that who edited it, when they edited it, and what was edited is logged. | 13:49 |
| amithkk | At anytime a revision can be rolled back. This helps ensure if something malicious or invalid gets past the site's review it can be reverted at anytime | 13:50 |
| ClassBot | There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. | 13:50 |
| amithkk | No reverted or denied edits make you lose rep | 13:51 |
| jrgifford | Ok, since we've only got another 10 minutes, are there any closing questions? | 13:51 |
| amithkk | I'm handing the session back to jrgifford to wrap it up. | 13:51 |
| jrgifford | thanks for talking about editing amithkk! :) | 13:52 |
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| jrgifford | I know I've gone over a lot of different things, and jumped around quite a bit, but to be honest the best way to experience the site is to signup and start browsing! http://askubuntu.com/users/login - since the site uses OpenID you can use your LaunchPad, Google, Ubuntu, or any other SSO/OpenID login to access the site. | 13:52 |
| jrgifford | If you have any questions about how the site works, you can visit our http://askubuntu.com/faq , our http://askubuntu.com/about , or ask a question about Ask Ubuntu itself on the "META" site http://meta.askubuntu.com/, where we talk about the various questions that we get about the site, like how it works, how to handle certain kinds of situations, etc | 13:53 |
| ClassBot | gau1991 asked: What if i doesn't get answer to my q? | 13:54 |
| jrgifford | good question gau1991. you can bounty your question, edit it with updates on what you've tried, and sooner or later you should get an answer. | 13:54 |
| ClassBot | There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. | 13:55 |
| ClassBot | gau1991 asked: Bounty is rewarded by askubuntu or by us? | 13:55 |
| jrgifford | Ask Ubuntu has it's own web based chat system that is persistent and works quite well (http://chat.askubuntu.com). Feel free to join us after you've gained 20 reputation points in the various rooms/channels there. mainly, there is the regulators room where we communicate about how to handle closing/editing/cleaning questions and answers, and there is the general room which is a little like #ubuntu | 13:56 |
| jrgifford | -offtopic, but we're mainly ontopic most of the time. | 13:56 |
| amithkk | by you or any other user which requires it gau1991 | 13:56 |
| jokerdino | gau1991: it usually is rewarded by the one who set the bounty. If he fails to explicitly award the bounty, the system has a set of rules on who to award the bounty to. | 13:56 |
| jrgifford | Also, since we've got only a few more minutes, I'd just like to point everyone to this meta post (which is more ro less a FAQ list): http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/257/how-does-ask-ubuntu-work | 13:57 |
| jrgifford | and then finally, i'd like to thank everyone for their time, and I hope to see you around Ask Ubuntu, chat and meta! :) | 13:58 |
| * jokerdino thanks everyone for attending our Ask Ubuntu lesson | 13:58 | |
| jokerdino | See you around again! | 13:58 |
| * amithkk thanks from my side too | 13:58 | |
| amithkk | We hope you found it informational | 13:59 |
| jrgifford | thanks again everyone! | 14:00 |
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| ClassBot | Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/04/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. | 14:00 |
| dpm | hey everyone! | 14:01 |
| dpm | thanks amithkk, jokerdino and jrgifford for the great session | 14:01 |
| dpm | All right then, time for some Ubuntu translations ;) | 14:02 |
| dpm | I prepared a series of slides for the session, which you'll find here and should make it easier for you to follow along: | 14:03 |
| dpm | http://ubuntuone.com/2BO0P9Vt1Pp40dhiXXHnZv | 14:03 |
| dpm | I'll be posting [SLIDE n] comments before each section of the talk, which should help you knowing which slide I'm taling about each time. | 14:04 |
| dpm | so anyway... | 14:04 |
| dpm | let's roll | 14:04 |
| dpm | [SLIDE 1] | 14:04 |
| dpm | My name is David Planella, and I work as the Ubuntu Translations Coordinator in Canonical, in the Community team | 14:05 |
| dpm | there I have the pleasure to work with Ubuntu legends such as Nicholas Skaggs, Michael Hall, Jorge Castro, Daniel Holbach, and least but not last | 14:05 |
| dpm | our fearless leader Jono Bacon | 14:05 |
| dpm | Most importantly, I have the immense privilege to work with the Ubuntu Translations community | 14:06 |
| dpm | So be very welcome to this session on Ubuntu Translations, where we'll see: | 14:06 |
| dpm | - How Ubuntu can be translated into almost any language, | 14:06 |
| dpm | - The work of our awesome translation teams, | 14:07 |
| dpm | - How Launchpad can be used to translate Ubuntu in a distributed manner, | 14:07 |
| dpm | - And how to get started translating Ubuntu | 14:07 |
| dpm | If you've got any questions at any point during the talk, please ask them on the #ubuntu-classroom-chat channel | 14:07 |
| dpm | and remember to prepend them with QUESTION | 14:08 |
| dpm | in any case, I'll leave some time near the end for questions | 14:08 |
| dpm | so without further ado... | 14:08 |
| dpm | [SLIDE 2] | 14:08 |
| dpm | Benvinguts, Willkommen, Bienvenidos, ようこそ, Welcome, 환영합니다, Bem-vindo, Ongietorri, স্বাগতম, Welkom, Mirë se erdhët, Bienllegáu, እንኳን ደህና መጡ, Вітаем, مرحبا, Dobro došli, Donedigezh vat, Добре дошли, 歡迎, Dobrodošli, 欢迎, Velkommen, Welkom, Bonvenon, Tere tulemast, Tervetuloa, Bienvenue, Wolkom, Benvido, Καλώς ήρθατε, ברוכים הבאים, Üdvözöljük, Ve | 14:08 |
| dpm | lkomin, Selamat Datang, Benvenuti, ಸುಸ್ವಾಗತ, Witôj, Қош келдіңіз, Esiet sveicināti, Sveiki, Selamat Datang, स्वागतम्, Velkomen, Benvenguda, Witamy, Bun venit, Добро пожаловать, Добродошли, Vitajte, Välkommen, நல்வரவு, ยินดีต้อนรับ, Hoşgeldiniz, Ласкаво просимо, خوش آمدید, Chào mừng, مەرھابا !!! | 14:08 |
| dpm | (if I've forgotten to welcome in your language, do write a big "welcome" in #ubuntu-classroom chat, and I'll include it here too :) | 14:09 |
| dpm | Ubuntu has a very diverse community, and one of the aspects this diversity is directly reflected is in the number of languages it is translated into, | 14:09 |
| dpm | and the communities built around them. | 14:09 |
| dpm | [SLIDE 3] | 14:10 |
| dpm | "Every computer user should be able to use their software in the language of their choice" lies at the very core of the Ubuntu philosophy | 14:10 |
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| dpm | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy | 14:11 |
| dpm | which is why we encourage the creation of translation communities and provide them resources to ease the process of translation into their own language | 14:11 |
| dpm | so that anyone, without requiring advanced technical skills, can start contributing from day one. | 14:12 |
| dpm | So let's try to answer some basic questions... | 14:12 |
| dpm | [SLIDE 4] | 14:12 |
| dpm | 14:12 | |
| dpm | Who translates Ubuntu? | 14:12 |
| dpm | ---------------------- | 14:12 |
| dpm | 14:12 | |
| dpm | That's an easy one: Ubuntu Translators. | 14:13 |
| dpm | They are volunteers who organise themselves in translation teams, appointed to be responsible for the translation of a given language. | 14:13 |
| dpm | And they just rock | 14:14 |
| dpm | oops, xchat-gnome crash | 14:15 |
| dpm | but I'm back again | 14:15 |
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| dpm | oh, btw, phanimahesh sends a welcome in Telugu సుస్వాగతము | 14:17 |
| dpm | and in Hindi आपका स्वागत है | 14:18 |
| dpm | another display of translations community awesomeness on the spot | 14:18 |
| dpm | anyway, we were talking about Ubuntu Translators | 14:18 |
| dpm | You can see the full list of Ubuntu translation teams here: | 14:19 |
| dpm | https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators | 14:19 |
| dpm | We've currently got about 150, of more than 200 registered languages for Ubuntu in Launchpad, our online translation tool | 14:19 |
| dpm | So if there isn't an Ubuntu translation team for your language, now is the chance to create one :) | 14:19 |
| dpm | More on that later | 14:20 |
| dpm | Also very important to mention is the work of upstream translators, whose effort Ubuntu benefits greatly from. | 14:20 |
| dpm | Ubuntu includes the best-of-breed Open Source software of the many independent projects available, which is what we call upstream. | 14:20 |
| dpm | Translations are no exception, and if these upstream projects are translated outside of Ubuntu, we import and use the awesome work of upstream translators | 14:20 |
| dpm | Let's see some numbers about our amazing translations community: | 14:21 |
| dpm | nearly 18.000 translators who've submitted at least one translation, | 14:21 |
| dpm | coming from more than 240 countries. | 14:21 |
| dpm | A default Ubuntu installation contains about 160.000 translatable messages, | 14:21 |
| dpm | which can go up to 475.000 when adding non-default apps such as GIMP, Inkscape, etc. | 14:21 |
| dpm | And here's an overview of how well translated Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is in each language: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/ubuntu-12.04-translation-stats.html | 14:21 |
| dpm | So you see that there's a lot of work to do, and _you_ can help in making Ubuntu better supported in your language. | 14:22 |
| dpm | Let's see how... | 14:22 |
| dpm | oh, but before we go on, are there any questions so far? | 14:22 |
| ClassBot | rigved asked: what is the recommended way to setup multi-language input methods? For example, I would like to type in English as well as another language (say German). | 14:22 |
| dpm | It all depends on the languages you choose, and if they require an input method | 14:23 |
| dpm | The important thing to remember is to always use the language selector to install new languages | 14:23 |
| dpm | which should take care of installing all necessary language support and aids | 14:23 |
| dpm | you can do it from the system settings menu | 14:24 |
| dpm | or invoking language support from the Dash | 14:24 |
| dpm | for two languages such as English and German, it is pretty easy to switch input methods, as the only method is the same keyboard, only a few keys change | 14:25 |
| dpm | I type in Catalan, Spanish, English and German, and my physical keyboard has a German layout | 14:26 |
| dpm | so I've got a keyboard shortcut set up to switch the keyboard layout every time I need to | 14:26 |
| dpm | but you can also do it manually from the indicator menus | 14:26 |
| dpm | for more complex scripts, then you'd have to use an input method such as IBus, but language selector should take care of enabling it | 14:27 |
| ClassBot | jbicha asked: How do translations from Launchpad get to the "upstream" developers? If I translate Rhythmbox for Ubuntu, does that automatically get submitted to Rhythmbox so that all distros benefit? | 14:27 |
| dpm | we currently don't have a way to automatically submit translations to external upstreams (by external I mean not hosted in Launchpad), so we rely on the downstream translation teams to work closely with the upstream ones to coordinate and ensure translations end up in all places they need to be | 14:29 |
| dpm | Nowadays most Ubuntu translations teams have got members that work upstream, which seems to work quite well | 14:30 |
| dpm | there are two basic approaches: 1) translate upstream there and only complete Ubuntu translations in LP 2) Do the translations in LP, export them, and commit them upstream | 14:30 |
| dpm | You'll find more info on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream | 14:30 |
| ClassBot | jbicha asked: do you know of any other web-based translation tools for the open source world, or is Launchpad pretty unique? | 14:31 |
| dpm | Launchpad is awesome! :) | 14:31 |
| dpm | There are other great OSS online translation tools out there. Pootle and Transifex are other popular two | 14:32 |
| dpm | I remember a tool called Narro, which was used for Mozilla projects a while back, but I haven't checked it out in a while | 14:32 |
| dpm | these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head | 14:33 |
| ClassBot | jsjgruber-l84-p asked: Is there a way for an application to translate its text simultaneously to two different languages? | 14:33 |
| dpm | Not that I know of with the current technology | 14:34 |
| dpm | I know gettext supports having multiple languages defined, but they only act as fallback if a particular message is not translated into the main locale defined | 14:35 |
| dpm | but in any case, why would one want an app with texts in more than 1 language at the same time? | 14:35 |
| dpm | ok, if there aren't more questions for now, let's move on... | 14:36 |
| dpm | [SLIDE 5] | 14:36 |
| dpm | 14:36 | |
| dpm | How is Ubuntu translated? | 14:36 |
| dpm | ------------------------- | 14:36 |
| dpm | 14:36 | |
| dpm | We use our very own translations tool: Launchpad Translations | 14:36 |
| dpm | Launchpad Translations allows you to easily translate projects online | 14:36 |
| dpm | and seamlessly build and organise translation communities around them. | 14:36 |
| dpm | It also allows translating Operating Systems, Ubuntu being the most evident example. | 14:37 |
| dpm | You can start translating Ubuntu here: | 14:37 |
| dpm | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu | 14:37 |
| dpm | There you'll see a list of translatable applications and documentation, ordered by priority and ready to translate | 14:37 |
| dpm | [SLIDE 6] | 14:38 |
| dpm | Alternatively, you can go directly to translatable applications in Launchpad from your desktop. | 14:38 |
| dpm | If you open an application and go to Help > Translate this application..., | 14:38 |
| dpm | your browser will be started and it will take you to the Launchpad Translations page for that particular application. | 14:38 |
| dpm | Which is pretty neat | 14:38 |
| dpm | You can try this: open Gedit, go to "Help > Translate this application..." and see it for yourself. | 14:41 |
| dpm | On the browser window that opens you can start submitting translation suggestions from day one. | 14:41 |
| dpm | This will take you to the translation page in your preferred language | 14:41 |
| dpm | which you can then click on and you'll see the list of translatable applications for | 14:41 |
| dpm | in Launchpad, using the standard translations terminology, these are called templates | 14:42 |
| dpm | and are the translatable units translators work with | 14:42 |
| dpm | I really recommend using Launchpad for online translation | 14:42 |
| dpm | it is really easy and flexible | 14:43 |
| dpm | and it allows saving your work, even before it is reviewed, facilitating the QA work | 14:43 |
| dpm | that said, if you prefer translating offline, Launchpad Translations is flexible enough to let you download PO files (text files used for translations) | 14:43 |
| dpm | to be used in offline translation tools | 14:43 |
| dpm | These files are standard, so you can use any PO file editor available out there: | 14:43 |
| dpm | Virtaal, POEdit, Lokalize, Gtranslator, ... there are quite a few | 14:43 |
| dpm | 14:43 | |
| dpm | [SLIDE 7] | 14:44 |
| dpm | [slidefile http://ubuntuone.com/2BO0P9Vt1Pp40dhiXXHnZv 7] | 14:44 |
| dpm | 14:44 | |
| dpm | How can I contribute? | 14:44 |
| dpm | --------------------- | 14:44 |
| dpm | 14:44 | |
| dpm | As in any Open Source project, the important thing is communication. | 14:44 |
| dpm | While everyone can submit translation suggestions in Launchpad, | 14:44 |
| dpm | they will need to be reviewed by Ubuntu translation teams before being used. | 14:45 |
| dpm | We do not only want to provide the best translated OS, but also the best quality of translations. | 14:45 |
| dpm | So we also encourage translation teams to communicate through any means appropriate | 14:45 |
| dpm | most teams use a mailing list | 14:45 |
| dpm | but others also forums, IRC, etc. | 14:45 |
| dpm | and most of them have also got a wiki page in the Ubuntu namespace | 14:45 |
| dpm | where they coordinate their work | 14:45 |
| dpm | So the next step in contributing to Ubuntu Translations is to get in touch with the translation team for your language, | 14:45 |
| dpm | and tell them you'd like to contribute. | 14:46 |
| dpm | It's easy: you can just find them on | 14:46 |
| dpm | https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators | 14:46 |
| dpm | On that page, you can just click on the links under the "Team/Supervisor" column and they will take you to the Launchpad page for the team | 14:46 |
| dpm | You see that finding the language is easy, it's on the column on the left | 14:46 |
| dpm | and most translation teams are named | 14:46 |
| dpm | "Ubuntu <language> translators" | 14:46 |
| dpm | where <language> is the name of the language they translate into | 14:46 |
| dpm | on their Launchpad page you'll find all the info you'll need to get in touch with them | 14:47 |
| dpm | If there isn't a team for your language yet, you should definitely start one | 14:47 |
| dpm | You can do it by following these simple steps: | 14:47 |
| dpm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam | 14:47 |
| dpm | it is a one-off step, which shouldn't take long | 14:48 |
| dpm | and after the new team has been appointed, you can start translating in Launchpad straight away | 14:48 |
| dpm | If that step gets too technical for you, do not worry | 14:48 |
| dpm | You can always get in touch with the global translations community and ask for help or advice, which is always a good idea | 14:48 |
| dpm | Also if you want to start any discussion on Ubuntu Translations | 14:48 |
| dpm | In true Ubuntu spirit, everyone is welcome there, and you'll get to know lots of interesting people from all over the globe :) | 14:48 |
| dpm | Here's how to get in touch with the global translations community: | 14:48 |
| dpm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact | 14:49 |
| dpm | And do check the translations quickstart guide: | 14:49 |
| dpm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/QuickStartGuide | 14:49 |
| dpm | which will tell you all you need to know to get involved | 14:49 |
| dpm | [SLIDE 8] | 14:49 |
| dpm | [slidefile http://ubuntuone.com/2BO0P9Vt1Pp40dhiXXHnZv 8] | 14:49 |
| dpm | 14:49 | |
| dpm | Q&A | 14:50 |
| dpm | --- | 14:50 |
| dpm | 14:50 | |
| dpm | So I hope that that gave you a taste of how translation works in Ubuntu and how you can join our awesome translators. | 14:50 |
| dpm | Now feel free to ask any questions about anything related to translations. | 14:50 |
| dpm | Bring them on! ;-) | 14:50 |
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| ClassBot | jsjgruber-l84-p asked: How do translations templates get into the launchpad system for universe packages? | 14:53 |
| dpm | ah, a very good question | 14:53 |
| dpm | in principle, they don't get imported. We only import translation templates from main and restricted | 14:53 |
| dpm | however | 14:53 |
| dpm | not too long ago a feature was added to Launchpad to enable importing universe translations | 14:54 |
| dpm | these need to be enabled on a package per package basis | 14:54 |
| dpm | which requires some trivial modifications to the package | 14:54 |
| dpm | andrejz, a translations community member, started collecting a list of interesting universe packages that would be interesting to have in Launchpad | 14:55 |
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| dpm | He collected them in a wiki page, which also includes technical info on how to modify the packages | 14:56 |
| dpm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Universe_Translations_in_LP | 14:56 |
| ClassBot | jbicha asked: is there a reason why more universe packages aren't translatable by launchpad? Is it becuase it makes the language packs too big? | 14:56 |
| dpm | there were two main reason why back in the day it was decided not to import universe packages: | 14:56 |
| dpm | one was size, but a few months ago, when we implemented the "universe import feature" we calculated it wouldn't be an issue | 14:57 |
| dpm | the other one was the mods that the packages need to support translations | 14:57 |
| dpm | generally we modify the packages to use dh_translations, which does all needed to get them imported into Launchpad | 14:58 |
| dpm | for universe packages, which often come without modification from Debian | 14:58 |
| dpm | this is often not that easy (in terms of finding a maintainer to maintain these changes) | 14:59 |
| dpm | ok, time is up! | 14:59 |
| dpm | thanks everyone for participating and for the interesting questions! | 14:59 |
| dpm | I hope you've enjoyed the session, learned something new and join our translator ranks :) | 15:00 |
| dpm | see you! | 15:00 |
| dpm | now time for jbicha to take the floor | 15:00 |
| dpm | give him a big round of applause! | 15:00 |
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| jbicha | Hi, good morning and Happy Star Wars Day! I'm Jeremy Bicha and I work with the Open IT Lab in Columbia, South Carolina. | 15:01 |
| jbicha | I'm also a volunteer Ubuntu developer. I'm a part of Ubuntu's Desktop and Documentation teams. I joined those teams in early 2011 as I was between jobs and I wanted to improve my skills while helping others. | 15:01 |
| jbicha | At that time, the Documentation team badly needed help to convert the new GNOME help to be suitable for Ubuntu. | 15:02 |
| jbicha | The Desktop Team needed help in packaging and testing GNOME 3. (By the way, both those teams still can use extra people to help out!) | 15:02 |
| jbicha | I've also worked with dpm the past few weeks to coordinate the ubuntu-docs releases with the translation schedules | 15:03 |
| jbicha | Today I'd like to talk to those who have been happily using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (or 10.10) and want to learn more about what's new with Ubuntu. | 15:04 |
| jbicha | The user experience has changed dramatically more in the past 2 years than has ever happened for Ubuntu before. | 15:04 |
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| jbicha | A change as big as that is nearly certain to be controversial. | 15:04 |
| jbicha | The general outline I'm planning for this hour is: 1. What's different in 12.04 besides Unity? 2. Intro to Unity 3. What is GNOME Classic? 4. And Some Tips on Updating Your Computer | 15:05 |
| jbicha | I'll also be answering questions this hour so ask away in #ubuntu-classroom-chat | 15:05 |
| jbicha | I'm not sure if I have enough to talk about for a full hour so your questions help! | 15:06 |
| jbicha | Quite a bit is the same as Ubuntu 10.04: The same music and video players are being used | 15:06 |
| jbicha | Firefox is still the default web browser. Because of Mozilla's new rapid release cycle, Ubuntu 10.04 and 12.04 are even using the same version: Firefox 12. | 15:07 |
| jbicha | The window buttons are still on the left (aka more like OS X, less like Windows) ;) | 15:07 |
| jbicha | Ok, for some differences from Ubuntu 10.04: | 15:08 |
| jbicha | Some apps are no longer installed by default, but they're still available for easy install: | 15:08 |
| jbicha | Pitivi the video editor | 15:08 |
| jbicha | Tomboy (a note-taking app) and gbrainy (brain teaser edu-game) aren't on the install CD as there were concerns over how well it could be maintained for the next 5 years | 15:08 |
| jbicha | (They will probably work fine but there's a higher threshold for stuff that is installed on everyone's computers!) | 15:09 |
| jbicha | Thunderbird (also made by Mozilla) is the default email client instead of Evolution (made by GNOME developers). | 15:09 |
| jbicha | Personally I usually use webmail so that change doesn't affect me much. | 15:09 |
| jbicha | Python 2.7 is the default instead of Python 2.6 (Python 2.6 isn't even available for install now). | 15:10 |
| jbicha | And there are a whole bunch of improvements to apps as part of GTK3/GNOME 3 | 15:11 |
| jbicha | Just a few... | 15:11 |
| jbicha | The file browser has new Undo support; I'm sure that will get even more powerful in the future | 15:11 |
| jbicha | The GNOME Games have seen a lot of development work in the past few months, with a simpler, easier to use interface | 15:13 |
| jbicha | User help is a lot more *helpful* and it continues to improve | 15:13 |
| jbicha | System Settings is very nice and easier to navigate | 15:14 |
| jbicha | There really are so many improvements that it's difficult to remember all of them (I usually run the Alpha and Beta releases so I've had the good stuff for a while now!) | 15:15 |
| jbicha | ... | 15:15 |
| jbicha | But of course, the biggest difference is that a new user interface named Unity has replaced Ubuntu's traditional desktop & the Ubuntu netbook edition. | 15:15 |
| jbicha | Part of my job is introducing Ubuntu and other open source technologies to people who've never used them before. | 15:15 |
| jbicha | My experience doing this the past 6 months has been that Ubuntu's new default look is fairly easy to use and looks great. | 15:16 |
| jbicha | Besides looking good (which is important in convincing people to consider using something different), Ubuntu 12.04 is far easier to navigate with a keyboard than Ubuntu 10.04. | 15:16 |
| jbicha | If you wanted to, you could definitely use Ubuntu 12.04 without a mouse once you learn the keyboard shortcuts | 15:17 |
| jbicha | doing that is much less of a headache than it was in 10.04 | 15:17 |
| jbicha | I encourage you to give Ubuntu 12.04 a try. Even if you've tried Unity before and didn't like it, there have been numerous improvements to style and performance so it's definitely worth a second look. | 15:17 |
| jbicha | There are three main parts to the Unity desktop: | 15:17 |
| jbicha | 1. On the top row is the *menu bar*. | 15:17 |
| jbicha | - On the right hand side are your application and system status menus (often called "indicators"), on the left are the app menus (File Edit View) | 15:18 |
| jbicha | - And if a window is maximized to take up the full screen, your Close/Minimize/Maximize buttons are in the top left corner | 15:18 |
| jbicha | 2. On the left of your screen is the launcher which holds your currently running apps and shortcuts to start your "favorite apps" | 15:20 |
| jbicha | https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/figures/unity-launcher-intro.png.en-US | 15:20 |
| jbicha | 3. And the top icon in the launcher with the Ubuntu logo is your shortcut to the Dash | 15:21 |
| jbicha | - The Dash is where you can browse or search for apps, files, music and videos | 15:22 |
| jbicha | You can open an app with the keyboard by tapping your Super key (Windows key) and typing in a few letters like | 15:23 |
| jbicha | ter | 15:23 |
| jbicha | and then press Enter or click on the Terminal to start your Terminal, for instance | 15:23 |
| jbicha | At the bottom of the Dash are little white icons that allow you to choose what specifically you're looking for | 15:24 |
| jbicha | These are called "Lenses", from left to right they are Home (the start screen), Apps, Files, Music, and Videos | 15:24 |
| jbicha | In any of those lenses, you can click the Filter Results button to limit what's being shown | 15:25 |
| jbicha | In the apps lens, you can use Filter Results to look at open a specific category or type of app or click All to look at everything | 15:26 |
| jbicha | You can customize the favorite apps in the launcher on the left. Right-click on one of the launcher icons to Lock to Launcher or Unlock from Launcher | 15:26 |
| jbicha | locking to the launcher will keep the app's shortcut there even when it's not running | 15:27 |
| jbicha | Your currently running apps have a little white triangle on the left | 15:27 |
| jbicha | ... | 15:27 |
| jbicha | On the other hand, if you prefer the traditional Ubuntu look, you're not out of luck either. | 15:27 |
| jbicha | Just install gnome-panel. | 15:28 |
| jbicha | Log out and on the login screen, click the Ubuntu logo next to your name and select GNOME Classic from the list. | 15:28 |
| jbicha | You may want the "Without Effects" option as there are a few bugs with the other one (which uses Compiz). | 15:28 |
| jbicha | Those are bug 971051 and the theming bugs bug 981289 and bug 955376. | 15:28 |
| jbicha | (just a moment as I log out and back in myself) | 15:30 |
| jbicha | Here's a screenshot of what my computer looks like running GNOME Classic in Ubuntu 12.04: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=210965 | 15:34 |
| jbicha | And here's what Ubuntu 10.04 looked like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ubuntu_10.04_screenshot.png | 15:36 |
| jbicha | It's not quite the same as in any previous Ubuntu release but it's pretty close. | 15:36 |
| jbicha | buntu 9.10 was different from 10.04 which was different from 10.10, etc. | 15:36 |
| jbicha | gnome-panel was ported to GTK3 which fixed some bugs (have you ever had the bug where when you change screen resolution, your panel applets get all jumbled in weird positions? That's fixed now!) | 15:37 |
| jbicha | The System menu part of Applications/Places/System has gone away, now that we're using an awesome System Settings app; the rest of its contents can be found in the Applications menu. | 15:37 |
| jbicha | The help button was removed by default in Ubuntu 10.10 | 15:38 |
| jbicha | and the Firefox button was removed by default in 11.10 (since people may not use Firefox as the default and it's a bit weird to only have one app get special treatment). | 15:38 |
| jbicha | The trash button was removed by default in 11.10 since it's easy to get to the Trash from your file browser and it's pretty unclear whether enough people use it enough to justify the extra clutter on the deskto | 15:38 |
| jbicha | p | 15:38 |
| jbicha | and the GNOME developers don't put it on the panel by default either). | 15:38 |
| jbicha | The biggest functionality difference in gnome-panel 3 is that the panel is locked by default. | 15:39 |
| jbicha | You'll need to hold down the Alt key (or if you're using Compiz, Alt and the Windows key) while right-clicking to add new applets or to move to remove existing applets. | 15:39 |
| jbicha | That unfortunately is not very discoverable. :( | 15:39 |
| ClassBot | dakra_ asked: What are the system and administrative changes?(e.g. kernel 3, software center etc.) Their benefits? | 15:40 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu 12.04 uses the 3.2 version of the Linux kernel | 15:41 |
| jbicha | I don't know a lot about the kernel as I focus on other parts of Ubuntu | 15:41 |
| jbicha | I think the power management problem in newer Intel motherboards is quite a bit better | 15:42 |
| jbicha | you'll need a newer kernel anyway to run those computers as I don't think that support existed for those chips in 10.04 | 15:42 |
| jbicha | I'm happy that there is basic 2D graphics support for the Intel GMA500/Poulsbo graphics cards; that's been a headache and it's still not completely great but it's a lot better | 15:43 |
| jbicha | Oh, and jsjgruber-l84-p pointed out that Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't support non-PAE computers by default now | 15:44 |
| jbicha | If you have one of those older machines and the Ubuntu 12.04 CD won't work, you can either upgrade from 10.04 | 15:44 |
| jbicha | or use the Lubuntu or Xubuntu CDs to install | 15:44 |
| jbicha | non-PAE support is planned to be completely dropped after 12.04 so you'll probably want to stay on 12.04 for the next 5 years if you have one of those computers | 15:45 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu Software Center has gotten lots of work: it has a redesigned look and feel | 15:46 |
| jbicha | far more paid apps are available | 15:46 |
| jbicha | There are now Ratings and Reviews (ala Amazon) so you can get an idea of how good an app is before you install it | 15:47 |
| jbicha | I encourage you to check out https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/ if you want to get a good feel for how Ubuntu works these days | 15:48 |
| jbicha | That's also installed by default; just look for the Help app | 15:48 |
| jbicha | If you're using GNOME Shell, the Help will be a little different http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/ | 15:49 |
| jbicha | Unfortunately we don't have pretty help for GNOME Classic | 15:49 |
| jbicha | phanimahesh asked about user group management in Ubuntu 12.04 | 15:50 |
| jbicha | The User Accounts panel in System Settings only supports designating a person as having Standard or Administrator access | 15:50 |
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| jbicha | I actually really like this as it should be good for the vast majority of home users | 15:51 |
| jbicha | sysadmins can use visudo or PolicyKit scripts or similar tools if they need more fine-grained control | 15:51 |
| jbicha | You can also install gnome-system-tools and run users-admin if you really want the old tool | 15:51 |
| jbicha | I was told in #ubuntu-desktop this week when it was discussed that the old tool wasn't really as functional as it promised but I don't know any details about that | 15:52 |
| jbicha | There's some discontent about "options being removed": It's important to realize that every option has a cost. | 15:53 |
| jbicha | Part of what makes Ubuntu's installer great is that tries to ask as few questions as possible because it's difficult to know what's the right answer and too many questions gets overwhelming | 15:53 |
| jbicha | Some have asked for an "Advanced" button, but I think a lot more people consider themselves "Advanced" than really are | 15:54 |
| jbicha | I think the important part is that the tools and settings work and are easy to use | 15:54 |
| jbicha | by default | 15:54 |
| jbicha | If you want more, look to gnome-tweak-tool or other similar tweak apps | 15:55 |
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| jbicha | Unity is a bit more configurable now too than it was in previous releases, look at the Appearance or Displays sections of System Settings for instance | 15:56 |
| jbicha | Ah, and in the final couple minutes I wanted to briefly talk about updating your computer version | 15:57 |
| jbicha | In addition to the typical upgrade, I recommend you try something else | 15:57 |
| jbicha | Download the latest Ubuntu CD and run that. That will let you test if your hardware works well still | 15:58 |
| jbicha | You can use that CD to Upgrade your current install (it's one of the choices in the installer) | 15:58 |
| jbicha | You don't want to do that if you've made system-level customizations to /etc/ /var/ or similar but most people haven't | 15:59 |
| jbicha | It's a lot faster than the traditional upgrade | 15:59 |
| jbicha | Also, if you're using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, your may want to late a couple months until Ubuntu 12.04.1 is released as there will be more bugs fixed by then | 15:59 |
| jbicha | Thanks for listening and it looks like we're ready for the Ubuntu Women talk now... | 15:59 |
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| pleia2 | Hi everyone, welcome to the Ubuntu Open Week session about the Ubuntu Women Project! | 16:01 |
| pleia2 | My name is Elizabeth Krumbach, and I work as a Linux (Debian) Systems Administrator | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | Here in the Ubuntu world, among other things, I'm a member of the Ubuntu Community Council and one the trio of leaders for the Ubuntu Women project along with Cheri Francis and Jessica Ledbetter | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | In this session I'll be covering some of our recent projects and plans for the future | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | Several of us will be meeting in person next week at the Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) in Oakland, California to plan some of our work for the next cycle, so I'd also be happy to hear suggestions :) | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | But quickly just 2 things this session is not about: | 16:03 |
| pleia2 | 1. I won't be justifying the existence of the Ubuntu Women Project or explaining basic feminism topics | 16:03 |
| pleia2 | This is open source! Members of the project feel it is valuable and wish to spend their time on it, if you aren't interested in the project you don't need to get involved | 16:03 |
| pleia2 | If you are interested in the language of feminism, particularly as it relates to open source communities, to understand why we do what we do, I recommend starting with: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Feminism_101 | 16:03 |
| pleia2 | 2. I won't be rehashing the challenges that many women face in open source, tech or geek communities in general, or incidents that have occurred, these are already well-documented in many places, including: | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | ttp://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Issues | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | oops | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Issues | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | So, on with the presentation, recent projects and plans for the future! | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | At the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Orlando for the Precise cycle we put together a blueprint outlining some of our goals: | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-p-ubuntu-women-project-goals | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | I'll give you a moment to bring that up (and to me to grab my cup of coffee on the counter over there) | 16:06 |
| pleia2 | so, you'll notice that the first few discuss mentoring, and during this cycle Amber Graner (akgraner) spoke with a number of folks regarding mentoring programs in the open source world | 16:06 |
| pleia2 | One of the really interesting things she learned was that while there was some value to large, formalized mentor-mentee programs, the best way to really gain contributors and keep them was by more casual mentoring | 16:07 |
| pleia2 | This would generally be in the form of a supportive environment and one or two key people who where available to ask for help | 16:07 |
| pleia2 | This is what we've been working on this for years and calling it our "informal program until we coordinate something better" - it was already the better thing :) | 16:08 |
| pleia2 | oh, questions are welcome at any time, ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat and prefix it with QUESTION: | 16:09 |
| pleia2 | The next few blueprint items are mostly organizational :) we got a new wiki theme installed and pointed ubuntu-women.org at wiki.ubuntu-women.org since pretty much all the content had been moved to the wiki anyway | 16:09 |
| pleia2 | Now, one of the really interesting conversations we had at UDS was how to not be confrontational in our recommendations for how teams should go about treating, recruiting and keeping women in their projects | 16:09 |
| pleia2 | We often cited http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ which is a lot of Dos and Don't and had a Best Practices page on our wiki which reflected this | 16:10 |
| pleia2 | this is a really great document, but it's important to understand the history in which it evolved and the time it was published | 16:10 |
| pleia2 | you might notice the date on it is from late 2002, I'd only been using Linux for 10 months and the community around linux was a much different place than it is today | 16:11 |
| pleia2 | it was meant to give some clear, obvious guidelines for working with the very few women in the community for folks who were really uncertain | 16:12 |
| pleia2 | these days it comes off as somewhat unfriendly with very rigid Dos and Don'ts | 16:12 |
| pleia2 | maybe we should submit some patches :) | 16:12 |
| pleia2 | but we did want to have a much quicker document covering some of the broader issues when it comes to improving diversity in communities, so we had our Best Practices document which linked to the Encourage Women HowTo | 16:13 |
| pleia2 | Susan Spencer took it upon herself to lead up improving it, and we now have this much-improved document to share with teams: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices | 16:14 |
| pleia2 | I think it's a big improvement :) | 16:15 |
| pleia2 | Now, we also went beyond our set blueprint this cycle | 16:16 |
| pleia2 | Back in September (before the cycle began) Cheri Francis came up with the idea of "Career Days" which we've been hosting in Ubuntu Classroom every other month | 16:16 |
| pleia2 | It was inspired by her own experiences in tech and studies which continue to show that women lack female role models and exposure to tech career opportunities | 16:17 |
| pleia2 | During a Career Days session we have a woman with a career related to technology join us in IRC to talk about her career path and what her job looks like | 16:17 |
| pleia2 | (note: I say "woman" here because part of the goal is female role models as well, but we are actually open to men coming in and talk about their careers too since our other goal is exposure) | 16:17 |
| pleia2 | So far we've had 4 sessions: a Linux Systems Administrator, a Software Developer who is now a CEO of a tech company, a Community Manager for an open source tech company and a Media Liaison for a Linux hardware company | 16:18 |
| pleia2 | They've been very valuable for our community and it's been fascinating to hear how all of these women have become so involved with open source because of where their careers have taken them | 16:19 |
| pleia2 | it was also great to hear that from Emma in our last session about how her job got her involved in some Ubuntu projects that she would have never head about otherwise | 16:21 |
| pleia2 | We launched a bunch of social networking outlets last year (twitter/identica feeds, Facebook and Google+ all linked on blog.ubuntu-women.org) and it's really started to extend our reach beyond the open source world | 16:22 |
| pleia2 | maintaining them all has been an adventure :) but getting into touch with a broader audience has made it worth it | 16:22 |
| pleia2 | We also continue to write articles for an Ubuntu Women column in Full Circle Magazine, and could always use ideas for more articles and women to interview :) | 16:23 |
| pleia2 | Our FCM wiki page links to details about our column past articles: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/FullCircleMagazine | 16:23 |
| pleia2 | so you can get some idea of what we've written in the past, who we've interviewed and if you're interested in writing something there is also some information about the basics of what we're looking for and some style guidelines | 16:24 |
| pleia2 | at the beginning of the session I mentioned that we'll be having an Ubuntu Women session at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Oakland next week | 16:25 |
| pleia2 | we'll be using this session to plan out some of what we want to work on during the next 6 months | 16:25 |
| pleia2 | it's currently scheduled for Thursday at noon in Grand Ballroom H, but I'd check the schedule at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/ regularly because these things tend to move :) | 16:26 |
| pleia2 | that's noon local time, UTC-7 | 16:27 |
| pleia2 | there will be an audio feed and an IRC channel associated with it for remote attendees, more information about attending remotely can be found here: http://uds.ubuntu.com/community/remote-participation/ | 16:27 |
| pleia2 | this will certainly be partially a brainstorming session, but we also have some ideas already for what we want to do next cycle | 16:28 |
| pleia2 | We'd like to start to develop "profiles" of our target audience so we can better craft materials (handouts at conferences) and our initiatives to certain groups of women who we wish to bring into open source and Ubuntu | 16:28 |
| pleia2 | Aside from being brilliant, what I love about this idea is that it was brought to us by a woman who had never been involved with the project until UDS in Orlando | 16:29 |
| pleia2 | Fresh perspectives from other women are vital to projects like ours, so please don't be shy when offering suggestions which may help women like you (or like your sister, girlfriend, mother) get involved :) | 16:29 |
| pleia2 | On the administrative side, we'd like to design a new theme for our blog, since the default has that huge banner at the top | 16:30 |
| pleia2 | we'll also be continuing the projects we currently have in the fire, full circle magazine, more career days sessions | 16:31 |
| pleia2 | And other plans? Let's just say I'm excited to hear what ideas come from this UDS! | 16:32 |
| pleia2 | Oh, and I'll be hosting an Ubuntu Women dinner at my home in San Francisco on Thursday evening during UDS, details here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2012-April/003500.html | 16:32 |
| pleia2 | that's pretty much all I had :) any questions? | 16:33 |
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| pleia2 | I'll be around for the remaining time in case there are questions that pop up, so feel free to ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat | 16:37 |
| ClassBot | iheartubuntu2 asked: Statistically speaking, does anyone know the percentage of Ubuntu users who are women? | 16:38 |
| pleia2 | no one knows in general how many *people* are using Ubuntu :) | 16:38 |
| pleia2 | so it's really hard to know how many of any certain demographic | 16:39 |
| pleia2 | however, we have worked to track the percentage of women who are Ubuntu Members (have made significant and sustained contributions to Ubuntu) | 16:39 |
| pleia2 | and of the people whose gender we could determine, that number is around 5% | 16:40 |
| pleia2 | it's still not high, but it's not as bad as the statistics floating around for general open source | 16:40 |
| ClassBot | iheartubuntu2 asked: I notice at our Ubuntu Hours it is only guys. What tips would you have to help bring women to Ubuntu? | 16:41 |
| pleia2 | the Best Practices document I linked earlier has some broad recommendations: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices | 16:41 |
| pleia2 | letting people know they're welcome is also a big thing, I know when I attend Networking conferences with my fiance it can be kind of weird when I go out with people as "the fiancee" of someone who is really there, it helps a ton when I feel included and people ask me questions too and not treat me like some outsider | 16:42 |
| pleia2 | akgraner also wrote this great article a while back about how spouses can feel more included: http://ubuntu-us.org/2009/08/30/cookies-for-ubuntu/ | 16:43 |
| ClassBot | bkerensa asked: How can LoCo's try to engage Women who use Ubuntu to get involved with LoCo's there seems to be a barrier in this | 16:44 |
| pleia2 | similar to the last question, the Best Practices doc and even though I said the Encourage Women document is a bit dated there are some tips there that can be helpful when planning events | 16:45 |
| pleia2 | I obviously love linux and going to events is fun, but if they're hosted down a dark alley at night, I probably won't go :) | 16:45 |
| pleia2 | if I'm a vegetarian, I probably won't be thrilled with the food at an event being a pile of pepperoni pizzas | 16:45 |
| pleia2 | so my biggest suggestion is being aware of more diversity in general, think of your potential attendees and make announcements that make it clear that it will be welcoming | 16:46 |
| pleia2 | and encourage your attendees to bring women they know who may be interested! I went to my first LUG meeting with my boyfriend, 5 years later I was running the LUG :) | 16:47 |
| ClassBot | Cheri703 asked: I know we don't have statistics about how many women USE ubuntu, but don't we have statistics about how many ubuntu *members* are women? (that may have been included in one of your links, I didn't follow all of them) | 16:47 |
| pleia2 | I already covered this one, but I'll take this as an opportunity to share a comment from maco... | 16:48 |
| pleia2 | < maco> For Kubuntu Members, the number is 7.5% | 16:48 |
| pleia2 | < maco> (Kubuntu Members are a subset of Ubuntu Members) | 16:48 |
| pleia2 | yay :) | 16:48 |
| ClassBot | There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. | 16:50 |
| ClassBot | bkerensa asked: Is Ubuntu Women as a project doing any marketing or events nationwide to try and grow? I know valorie brought our LoCo down some UW business cards and stickers which we are starting to run low on but do have at our tables/booths | 16:54 |
| pleia2 | I shipped those business cards and stickers to valorie :) I've been doing that for women hosting events around the country and world | 16:55 |
| pleia2 | we're also hoping that by defining the Profiles I mentioned we can better target these things, including handouts and things | 16:55 |
| pleia2 | we have a bunch of existing resources here: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources | 16:55 |
| ClassBot | There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. | 16:55 |
| pleia2 | that's where you can grab the business cards, sticker info, links to our logo files | 16:55 |
| pleia2 | thanks for coming everyone! :) | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | this is the last session of Ubuntu Open Week, so have a nice weekend everyone | 17:00 |
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| SillyMoniker | so... i'm looking at getting a new laptop... what's better supported? Radeon HD 6xxx or Intel 3000? | 19:55 |
| AminosAmigos | h | 19:55 |
| SillyMoniker | whoops wrong channel, i guess :) | 19:58 |
| Cxz | hi i wld like to take the ubuntu certification | 21:54 |
| Cxz | any materials link? | 21:54 |
| Cxz | to train others as well | 21:54 |
| Cxz | help asap | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | Cxz: I don't think the certified professionals course exists anymore (and that's not us anyway) | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | this channel is for IRC-based events, no certificates | 21:55 |
| Cxz | ok..pleia2 thanks a lot for z kind help | 21:56 |
| Cxz | do u have any reference? | 21:56 |
| Cxz | certifications still exist FYI :) | 21:57 |
| pleia2 | http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training/ just redirects to support now, so I don't know where the information would be | 21:57 |
| Cxz | k mehn really apprec8 | 21:57 |
| pleia2 | ah, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training/course-descriptions/certified-professional | 21:57 |
| pleia2 | but it doesn't link to anything, I don't know anyone still giving it, and it's written for 10.04 | 21:58 |
| Cxz | cool...oh ok | 21:58 |
| Cxz | i got u now | 21:58 |
| Cxz | just thought i could get some1 who's done it | 21:58 |
| Cxz | and get some advise | 21:58 |
| pleia2 | well, I did technical review on it | 21:58 |
| Cxz | to teach others in my region | 21:58 |
| Cxz | ok...feel free to tell me more | 21:59 |
| Cxz | and advise;) | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | unfortunately there aren't really current course materials available :( | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | there is an ubuntu-learning team that's trying to write some, but there aren't finished documents yet | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=21 | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | has the materials for the 10.04 stuff | 21:59 |
| Cxz | free or forsale? | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | for sale | 22:00 |
| Cxz | oh:( | 22:00 |
| Cxz | well... | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | the ubuntu-learning team wants to write them for free, but again, nothing yet | 22:00 |
| Cxz | ok... | 22:00 |
| Cxz | its just that i feel its a ryt time to take it | 22:01 |
| pleia2 | you're welcome to join the mailing list in case we do make progress: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-learning | 22:01 |
| Cxz | k:) | 22:01 |
| Cxz | thanks mehn | 22:01 |
| Cxz | u've been good help:) | 22:01 |
| pleia2 | you're welcome | 22:01 |
| Cxz | if i may just ask, whats dis channel abt? | 22:02 |
| pleia2 | we host online classes, details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | 22:02 |
| Cxz | k | 22:03 |
| Cxz | cool | 22:03 |
| Cxz | wish i could introduce this somehow | 22:04 |
| Cxz | to my region | 22:04 |
| P-Chan | Why ubuntu developers not donate to Gimp project? | 22:38 |
| P-Chan | Gimp needs CYMK support and 16 bit color channel | 22:39 |
| P-Chan | ok bye bye | 22:40 |
| IdleOne | because the Ubuntu developers need donating to of their own !? | 22:56 |
| JanC | actually, the GIMP will get higher precision & should (eventually?) also get native CMYK once the gegl backend is in place | 23:45 |
| JanC | the gimp already has CMYK support right now, to some degree, but only for import/export AFAIK, and of course it depends on the availability of media colour profiles | 23:47 |
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