| melodie | gn | 00:20 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 03:29 |
| kees | heya pitti! | 03:37 |
| pitti | hey kees, how are you? | 03:37 |
| kees | good, you? | 03:37 |
| pitti | quite fine, thanks! | 03:38 |
| kees | I'm excited to see everyone next week :) | 03:38 |
| pitti | kees: ah, you'll be on UDS? great! | 03:38 |
| infinity | Oo, you're coming? | 03:38 |
| kees | yup! quick hop down the coast :) | 03:38 |
| infinity | kees-sponsored beer BoF? | 03:38 |
| kees | I need to present my new "survive my USB stick" challenge :P | 03:39 |
| infinity | Sounds dirty. | 03:39 |
| kees | dunno about _sponsored_, but drinking BoF I'll attend. | 03:39 |
| kees | "survive inserting this USB stick and I won't laugh at you" ? not a good ring to it. | 03:39 |
| kees | anyway, should be fun | 03:40 |
| infinity | I'm not sure I want to take part in this challenge. | 03:40 |
| infinity | Sounds sketchy. | 03:40 |
| kees | I didn't weaponize it too much! | 03:40 |
| infinity | That's not comforting. ;) | 03:40 |
| kees | hehe | 03:40 |
| slangasek | yeah, it's really disappointing | 03:41 |
| kees | how about "tell me what this USB stick is?" | 03:41 |
| kees | and slangasek can't help! | 03:42 |
| slangasek | heh | 03:42 |
| slangasek | that's fine, I'm too busy screaming at startpar anyway | 03:42 |
| kees | haha | 03:42 |
| kees | I'm still trying to right myself after spinning in circles to make some changes to klibc actually build | 03:43 |
| slangasek | my upstart startpar changes were never tested with a job that starts and immediately stops again on boot | 03:43 |
| slangasek | so of course the first package I look at trying to submit upstart patches to Debian for does exactly that (anacron) | 03:43 |
| kees | argh | 03:44 |
| slangasek | now to figure out which part of the startpar code the race is in | 03:44 |
| kees | "I'll start with 'a'!" urf | 03:44 |
| slangasek | it was actually one that was on my TIL merge list :) | 03:44 |
| kees | in other news, some additional hardening updates from Debian are trickling into quantal now. fun to watch! http://outflux.net/ubuntu/hardening/ | 03:45 |
| kees | and at current rates, debian will catch up with ubuntu on the package build hardening front some time in early 2014 http://outflux.net/debian/hardening/ | 03:47 |
| infinity | kees: What issues were you having making klibc build? | 03:50 |
| kees | infinity: just trying to figure out how to correctly refer to a library in a different directory. | 03:50 |
| kees | infinity: I ended up realizing there was another place I could copy the logic from. | 03:50 |
| kees | but I get dizzy any time I watch klibc build :) | 03:51 |
| * infinity notes that the SWE bar appears to have been lowered. | 03:51 | |
| * infinity ducks. | 03:51 | |
| kees | sick burn! | 03:51 |
| infinity | Okay, so maybe it'll be an Adam-sponsored beer BoF after I took that cheap shot. ;) | 03:52 |
| kees | hehe | 03:52 |
| slangasek | oh, that startpar bug was much simpler than I thought | 04:17 |
| slangasek | just needs listen() to have a backlog so we don't miss incoming upstart connections :P | 04:17 |
| scientes | how am i suppose to version something that hasn't been released and is coming from git? | 05:40 |
| scientes | i can do `git rev-parse --short HEAD` to get a g<sha1> | 05:40 |
| scientes | but howabout the date? | 05:40 |
| scientes | and do i need to do all this wierism to generate a orig.tar.gz? | 05:41 |
| scientes | or can it just work natively with git and branches somehow? | 05:41 |
| chilicuil | nice question scient.es I'd like to read the answer too | 05:42 |
| scientes | I'm tempted to just make it a native debian package | 05:43 |
| scientes | but that doesn't seem like the right thing to do | 05:43 |
| * micahg thanks infinity for the devscripts update | 05:43 | |
| RAOF | scientes: Generally one does $LAST_RELEASE+git20120504.$SHA or $NEXT_RELEASE~git20120504.$SHA (with 8-char shas) | 05:49 |
| scientes | RAOF, and if no releases, 0.0.1 ? | 05:49 |
| TheMuso | 0.0.0 | 05:49 |
| scientes | and that date is the packaging date, not the last commit date? | 05:49 |
| TheMuso | tahts what I've done in the past. | 05:50 |
| RAOF | Either. | 05:50 |
| TheMuso | so 0.0.0+git20120504 for example. | 05:50 |
| scientes | ok, so back to the original question, its east to use rev-parse to get the sha1 of of a refspec, but how about the date of that refspec? | 05:50 |
| RAOF | You can also just to “0+git”, because 0.$POSITIVE > 0+git | 05:50 |
| scientes | git show --format=format:"" didn't seem to have anything useful | 05:51 |
| RAOF | git log will give you the commit date. | 05:51 |
| scientes | and do i use git archive to make an orig.tar.gz? | 05:51 |
| RAOF | But if you want to automate the whole shebang... you can see xserver-xorg-video-nouveau's get-orig-source target. | 05:52 |
| scientes | RAOF, finially there is an answer | 05:52 |
| scientes | RAOF, where? http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.git;a=tree | 05:54 |
| scientes | oh i see it | 05:54 |
| scientes | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;h=de4cc9c4a2ffa2c437eb3a2eb614f5845b9e50dd;hb=HEAD | 05:54 |
| RAOF | debian/rules, get-orig-source: | 05:54 |
| RAOF | sudo build-me-a-tarball | 05:54 |
| scientes | sudo make me a sandwich :_ | 05:55 |
| scientes | :) | 05:55 |
| micahg | just as long as it's not little bobby tables :) | 05:56 |
| RAOF | Eh. We all do proper input sanitisation, right? :) | 05:58 |
| scientes | RAOF, why do you clone fresh every time? why not --reference=. ? | 06:02 |
| RAOF | scientes: Because that target is meant to ensure that an arbitrary person can get a tarball; it can't rely on anything outside of the package. | 06:02 |
| scientes | ahh, that why not git archive | 06:03 |
| scientes | to export | 06:03 |
| RAOF | Probably because at the time I wrote that I was sick of wrangling git to do what I wanted. :) | 06:03 |
| * scientes loves git | 06:04 | |
| * scientes doesn't like seeing all the deduplication features of git go to waste | 06:04 | |
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| doko | SpamapS, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667198 | 06:10 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 667198 in handlersocket "handlersocket: ftbfs with GCC-4.7" [Important,Open] | 06:10 |
| BenC | kirkland`: Will you or any other @canonical.com's me at FTF in San Antonio next month? | 06:16 |
| BenC | *be | 06:16 |
| infinity | BenC: kirkland's not a Canonical employee anymore. | 06:21 |
| BenC | infinity: Ah, lots happens in a year.. | 06:22 |
| BenC | infinity: Who's in charge of the server team now? | 06:22 |
| BenC | or would otherwise care about my question :) | 06:23 |
| infinity | BenC: Daviey, though I suspect he's not planning to be in San Antonio. He may know if someone else is. :P | 06:24 |
| infinity | BenC: Or SpamapS may know. | 06:24 |
| BenC | infinity: ok, thanks | 06:26 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:42 |
| dupondje | E: changelog for this version is not (yet) available; try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cyrus-sasl2/+changelog | 06:57 |
| dupondje | but they are available ... | 06:57 |
| micahg | dupondje: yes, but are they on changelogs.ubuntu.com? | 06:57 |
| dupondje | ah nope :) | 06:59 |
| dupondje | tought it was looking @ the launchpad page, but its an alternative :) | 06:59 |
| dupondje | should parse the launchpad page ^^:) | 06:59 |
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| erle- | how about computer janitor clearing /var/cache/apt? | 07:10 |
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| micahg | dholbach: python-levenshtein shouldn't have been sync'd, can you readd the dh_python2 diff please? | 09:24 |
| dholbach | hum | 09:24 |
| micahg | - use python-support instead of python-central; Closes: #617011 | 09:25 |
| dholbach | will do - I clearly didn't look closely enough | 09:26 |
| micahg | thanks | 09:26 |
| cjwatson | pitti: aha! thank you for tracking down bug 909292, as I'm pretty sure that's what was giving me grief in ubiquity | 09:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 909292 in python3.2 (Debian) "Crashes when C calls Python callback with Python3 due to local ctypes module build configuration" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909292 | 09:36 |
| cjwatson | fortunately I hadn't spent too much time on it yet | 09:36 |
| pitti | cjwatson: indeed, I'm getting all sorts of bug reports on that | 09:36 |
| cjwatson | merely stared at the screen in a baffled kind of way | 09:36 |
| pitti | it seems 90% of the incoming reports with py3 are due to that | 09:36 |
| pitti | that <censored> bug took me some 15 hours to track down.. | 09:37 |
| pitti | cjwatson: so does it work with the -proposed version now? | 09:37 |
| cjwatson | I'm just updating to that now to se | 09:38 |
| cjwatson | e | 09:38 |
| pitti | cjwatson: you are porting ubiquity to py3? | 09:41 |
| cjwatson | pitti: yep | 09:47 |
| cjwatson | pitti: I have a decent number of the tests passing, but still lots more to do | 09:48 |
| pitti | I'm about 95% done with apport now | 09:48 |
| pitti | I still need python3-xdg and python3-launchpadlib, but most code can deal without these | 09:48 |
| pitti | it's so much fun untangling bytearrays and strings.. | 09:49 |
| cjwatson | I need python3-pyicu, but I've sent a patch for that to Debian | 09:49 |
| cjwatson | (well, which I need to correct it seems, but) | 09:49 |
| cjwatson | also usb-creator, I think it's rather easier | 09:50 |
| cjwatson | python3-launchpadlib is ultimately blocked on oauth | 09:50 |
| cjwatson | barry's spreadsheet (IIRC) suggests switching to oauth2 | 09:50 |
| pitti | ah; it seems wadllib and many lazr modules are already available | 09:50 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, I did part of that last cycle before running out of time and blocking on oauth | 09:51 |
| cjwatson | I think we're close to a tipping point for a lot of Ubuntu-specific things - just a few more libraries | 09:51 |
| cjwatson | I'm *very* keen to port ubiquity because we've had so many undetected Unicode errors in the past, and Python 3 will force those front and centre | 09:52 |
| pitti | yeah, I noticed the same in apport | 09:52 |
| pitti | it essentially needs to handle both kinds, so adding a few more test cases was enough to trigger a gazillion errors from running it | 09:53 |
| pitti | instead of waiting on the crash reports to come in | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | code that needs to handle both is a pain ... | 09:53 |
| dholbach | micahg, done | 09:53 |
| micahg | thanks | 09:53 |
| pitti | what annoys me is that there is no simple way of checking whether an object is a "string", you need separate py2/py3 cases there | 09:54 |
| cjwatson | most of our archive tools should be ready once python3-debian and python3-launchpadlib are available | 09:54 |
| cjwatson | porting Launchpad will be interesting ;-) | 09:54 |
| cjwatson | pitti: isinstance(foo, six.string_types) | 09:55 |
| pitti | and I'm using gems like b'a\xe2\x99\xa5b'.encode('UTF-8') to get a constant unicode string in the tests | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | if you're willing to depend on python{,3}-six | 09:55 |
| doko | I'll need to get the distribute ready for 3.3 ... | 09:55 |
| pitti | instead of a simple "a♥b' | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | pitti: from __future__ import unicode_literals | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | (changes semantics of all literal strings in the file, but that's often OK for tests) | 09:56 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ah, that makes "a" what used to be u"a"? | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | indeed | 09:56 |
| pitti | ah, good | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | works with >= 2.6 | 09:56 |
| pitti | cjwatson: yes, that's fine, as the code needs to work with both 2 and 3 anyway for a fair while | 09:56 |
| pitti | cjwatson: thanks for the hint | 09:57 |
| pitti | but most of the time I must say it's workable | 09:57 |
| cjwatson | barry reckons most Python files should start with 'from __future__ import absolute_import, print_function, unicode_literals', I gather | 09:57 |
| pitti | I just found one thing for which there is absolutely no compatiblity between the two | 09:57 |
| cjwatson | personally I think unicode_literals can be difficult outside tests, at least if there's an API to preserve | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | pitti: oh? | 09:58 |
| pitti | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/apport/REThread.py#L64 | 09:59 |
| cjwatson | pitti: six.reraise | 09:59 |
| pitti | the syntax for re-raising an exception object changed, and neither version accepts the syntax of the other | 09:59 |
| pitti | cjwatson: yeah, external dependency again | 09:59 |
| cjwatson | which indeed uses the same exec hack, but at least it makes it somebody else's problem :) | 09:59 |
| pitti | I've got quite a few "if sys.version ..." comparisions anyway, at least they are greppable | 10:00 |
| cjwatson | I'm using six in ubiquity, on the grounds that once we're comfortable with ditching py2 compat there it'll be easy to drop | 10:00 |
| pitti | ("grepable"?) | 10:00 |
| cjwatson | greppable, I think :) | 10:00 |
| cjwatson | and I ended up using six in my python-debian port as well, because it was far too much trouble not to | 10:01 |
| pitti | cjwatson: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=grepable&word2=greppable disagrees :) | 10:01 |
| cjwatson | pitti: bah | 10:01 |
| cjwatson | so far in update-manager I've managed to get away without | 10:01 |
| cjwatson | I seem to be working on the stuff that starts with 'u' :-P | 10:02 |
| pitti | I'm just a bit wary of introducing more dependencies, as this stuff needs to run in chroots, the data center, stable releases, etc.; asking for -six might not be too much trouble, but I could avoid it | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | yeah, apport is perhaps a special case | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | update-manager has to be a bit careful as well due to the dist-upgrader tarball | 10:03 |
| pitti | cjwatson: U> don't we all? :-) | 10:03 |
| cjwatson | in retrospect, I'm very glad that lucid had python 2.6 and python-apt (pre-)0.8 | 10:04 |
| * cjwatson unbreaks rmadison, sorry about that | 10:05 | |
| cjwatson | (cleaned up a local ~/bin/ script which was also installed in /usr/bin/; didn't notice madison.cgi was using it) | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | pitti: confirmed that this python3.2 fixes my segfaults | 10:08 |
| pitti | \o/ | 10:08 |
| pitti | one bug to rule them all | 10:08 |
| cjwatson | usb-creator-gtk actually manages to show its UI now; ubiquity gives me a TypeError, but that's just next in the list ... | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | (nothing to do with ctypes, I think) | 10:09 |
| dholbach | hum, somehow my python-levenshtein upload didn't make it to LP? | 10:10 |
| doko | cjwatson, it was the libffi_pic.a library linked to the python3 executable | 10:10 |
| dholbach | ah no, there it is | 10:11 |
| dholbach | *phew* | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | doko: I meant my TypeError in ubiquity was nothing to do with ctypes :-) | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | but previously I had the segfault you just fixed | 10:11 |
| micahg | dholbach: you might want to have a look at this: http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PythonSupportToDHPython2, meh, not your fault, last diff was wrong as well :) | 10:26 |
| micahg | dholbach: it's no worse than before at this point | 10:27 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:27 |
| eagles0513875 | hey Sweetshark do you happen to have a link to the launchpad bug or upstream make bug in regards to the parallell issue in make 3.81 cuz i would really like to push a bump up to 3.82 for this release cycle if possible | 10:27 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: I thought I already mentioned it's in debian experimental | 10:28 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: thats what im confused on now is in regards to what repos are being pulled from according to this link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035155.html | 10:28 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: right now testing, TBD at UDS, merges/syncs from other repos as needed | 10:29 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: i understand as well that its in experimental just want to backup my push for 3.82 with the bug report | 10:30 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: here is the bug report to backup why i want to get us bumped up to 3.82 | 10:32 |
| pitti | \o/ apport test suite now fully works for both python 2 and 3 | 10:32 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: :D seems like the fix made it into the upstream package :) | 10:34 |
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| ogra_ | bdrung, seeing you are in debian-multimedia and that you have done the last audacious-plugins upload, would you mind pulling cjwatson's b-dep fix from precisce-proposed into the debian package ? | 12:48 |
| * ogra_ had some arm users asking about it in precise and just noticed the fix in -proposed | 12:48 | |
| cjwatson | I'd forgotten about that, should stick it in -updates/quantal | 12:50 |
| zaytsev | hi folks... i'm remastering the livecd which is later intent to transform into a live usb. what's the correct way to prevent ubiquity from starting on boot? | 12:51 |
| cjwatson | don't pass any of the *-ubiquity boot args | 12:51 |
| zaytsev | i know i can just remove --purge ubiquity, but this will also remove it copletely and kill the desktop icon | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | cjwatson, well, i dont think an upload to quantal makes sense, debian will benefit from it too | 12:51 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: so i remove only-ubiquity from isolinux/txt.cfg ? | 12:52 |
| ogra_ | its not that we are late in the release yet :) | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | ogra_: it's in -proposed, it should go somewhere | 12:52 |
| ogra_ | oh, indeed, -updates for sure | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | and -updates should <= quantal | 12:52 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | it's easy to sync later | 12:52 |
| ogra_ | k | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | zaytsev: sounds right | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | zaytsev: well | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | zaytsev: maybe also drop hidden-timeout=whateveritis from /isolinux/gfxboot.cfg | 12:53 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: ok, thanks, but when i will make an usb out of it, will i also have to modify syslinux somehow, or this will work too? | 12:54 |
| cjwatson | should work with the same configuration | 12:54 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: ah thanks for the gfxboot tip, it seems that i should just make it chose live instead of live-install and this will also keep the original functionaity | 12:55 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: awesome thanks a lot man | 12:55 |
| cjwatson | no problem | 12:56 |
| cjwatson | audacious-plugins looks plausible in -proposed, promoting now | 12:58 |
| ogra_ | great | 13:01 |
| bdrung | ogra_: done: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/audacious-plugins.git;a=commitdiff;h=fed6c9546ebd5b94eab42d1f70f8c011ec80c772 | 13:04 |
| cjwatson | bdrung: ta | 13:06 |
| cjwatson | sorry I didn't forward that, it was in the middle of release crunch | 13:06 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: no problem and no need any more :) | 13:06 |
| ogra_ | awesome ! | 13:07 |
| bdrung | ogra_: that was an easy and quick task :) | 13:07 |
| ScottK | sabdfl: Rev 24 of the revised CoC resolves the concern I expressed in yesterday's CC meeting. Thanks. | 13:33 |
| barry | cjwatson, pitti everything work out okay? :) | 13:34 |
| cjwatson | so far | 13:34 |
| barry | great! | 13:35 |
| cjwatson | ScottK,sabdfl: yep, me too | 13:36 |
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| stgraber | xnox: if you want to help with the nagios-nrpe sru validation, they're all in now | 13:50 |
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| xnox | stgraber: ok. | 13:51 |
| bigon | hi, any idea what's the licence for the circle of friend logo? | 14:24 |
| sladen | bigon: the files themselves should be CC-BY-SA. How you use it depends on trademarks | 14:31 |
| sladen | bigon: what are you trying/wanting to do? | 14:31 |
| bigon | sladen: gnome-boxes is including the circle of friend | 14:34 |
| bigon | and I'm trying to figure out if it could be included into debian | 14:34 |
| bigon | sladen: ^ | 14:34 |
| sladen | bigon: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+filebug?field.title=gnome-boxes+licence+of+CoF+for+Debian | 14:37 |
| sladen | bigon: and I'll try and sort you out one under whatever licence needed (thought content should be CC-BY-SA anyway) | 14:38 |
| ScottK | sladen: If the license is Debian specific, it's not DFSG free. | 14:38 |
| ScottK | So, to avoid questions, make it license and not license for Debian. | 14:39 |
| ScottK | A license for Debian doesn't help. | 14:39 |
| SpamapS | doko: ACK, I'll get on it. There's a new upstream to package as well. | 14:39 |
| bigon | CC-BY-SA is DFSG | 14:40 |
| sladen | I believe what ScottK was kindly attempting to point out is that "a Licence for one organisation" would fail DFSG #5, however what we would do is to ensure that the upstream version of gnome-boxes had licensing that was clear enough for everyone. If it isn't then that's where the failure is and where we need to get it fixed | 14:42 |
| ScottK | Trying, perhaps not very well. | 14:42 |
| sladen | bigon: however regardlessly, it would be good to have a place to track this | 14:43 |
| sladen | bigon: with longer-longevity than IRC scollback | 14:43 |
| bigon | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671251 | 14:45 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 671251 in general "do not include non-free content" [Blocker,Unconfirmed] | 14:45 |
| bigon | there is already an upstream bug open for that | 14:45 |
| sladen | bigon: even better, ta. (BTW, if it's often useful to mention/paste the upstream URL first as it helps everyone get up to speed with better context) | 14:47 |
| bigon | yeah sorry | 14:47 |
| bigon | so for my part what should I do? ask gnome-boxes upstream to get a licences for the project? | 14:52 |
| bigon | (or I didn't understand?) | 14:53 |
| arand | bigon: I think a restrictive trademark policy might be able to fail the DFSG as well, http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy is probably what would have to be scrutinized, if anything. | 14:55 |
| bigon | (yeah I was thinking about firefox/iceweasel thing) | 14:55 |
| bigon | I'm opening a bug on the LP | 14:56 |
| arand | Though then again, the debian swirl would likely fail that test as well :) I've heard there's onging work there though... | 14:56 |
| sladen | bigon: I've added https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671251#c10 | 14:56 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 671251 in general "do not include non-free content" [Blocker,Unconfirmed] | 14:56 |
| sladen | bigon: is that sufficient? | 14:57 |
| xnox | How to do a local [s|de|pde]build *with* pkg mangler and/or debug symbol generator? | 14:57 |
| sladen | bigon: Zack's current intention/wish I believe is to move all restrictions over to being trademark based | 14:57 |
| tumbleweed | xnox: mk-sbuild will install pkgbinarymangler | 14:58 |
| tumbleweed | but basically, you just install it in the chroot | 14:58 |
| xnox | tumbleweed: awesome =) thanks. | 14:58 |
| bigon | sladen: let's hope :) thx | 15:01 |
| bigon | arand: well there is 2 logo for debian one official and one non official http://www.debian.org/logos/ | 15:01 |
| sladen | bigon: slightly more complicated than that. There are four (main) variations. swirl; swirl + text; wine bottle; wine bottle with text | 15:08 |
| sladen | bigon: those with text are covered by trademarks. Those with the wine bottle may only be used by DDs | 15:08 |
| bigon | yeah I was to fast to read | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | pitti: Is there a useful equivalent of python-gi-dev for Python 3? | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | pitti: Or do I just keep on using python-gi-dev? It's a bit confusing that it Depends: python-gi | 15:15 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: i'm still confused with isolinux. so it says default live, which is the "try ubuntu" entry and doesn't have only-ubiquity (unlike "install ubuntu"), however, when i boot maybe-ubiquity gets added to the parameters and it shows up | 15:29 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: but what confuses me particularly is that when i press some key and select the menu with enter, it doesn't get added and everything works | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | You didn't remove hidden-timeout | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | Like I said | 15:30 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: right, but if i remove it then i will have to select an item by hand, right? this is not what i want | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | You can still have a timeout | 15:31 |
| cjwatson | Do you actually want the splash screen? | 15:31 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: well yes, this would be nice, i want it to work exactly as it works now, but wihtout ubiquity showng up. except that something evil adds maybe-ubiquity to the parameters if i don't select the item by hand and so it gets triggered | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | It's possible you'll need to rebuild the gfxboot theme, then | 15:32 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: i grepped isolinux for maybe and it seems to be in bootlogo | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | It's in the gfxboot-theme-ubuntu source package; the patch I expect you want is http://paste.ubuntu.com/967136/ | 15:32 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: is it checksommed? maybe i'll just hack it with the hex editor? | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | No, that's almost certainly seventeen orders of magnitude more pain than doing it properly | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | Apply that patch, build binary package, fish out bootlogo from binary package, replace | 15:33 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: ok thanks for the patch, i'll do both at the same time and see what finished first :-) | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | If you're building a derived distribution, I rather hope you're comfortable with building packages :) | 15:34 |
| alexbligh1 | openjdk-headless on lucid contains the library /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/rt.jar. I want to get the EXACT source this was built from. apt-get source says 'http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openjdk/openjdk/openjdk6'. On executing the bzr get indicated, it retrieves a directory with no versioning and no .java files. How does one retrieve this? | 15:55 |
| alexbligh1 | More precisely I'm looking for ChunkedOutputStream.java | 15:58 |
| infinity | alexbligh1: If you want the exact source, you want 'apt-get source openjdk-headless' | 15:58 |
| infinity | (Though, I assume you mean openjre-headless) | 15:59 |
| infinity | Or, openjdk-6-jre-headless, even. :P | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | And ignore the bzr branch it tells you to get, if it's wrong. | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | Or not useful. | 16:01 |
| infinity | I'm all for ignoring it, full stop, if the goal is seeing the "exact source used to build the binaries", since that's always the source package. | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | Yep. | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | yofel: Did anyone ever verify that last-minute software-properties upload to precise-proposed? | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | It'd be nice to get that synced up in precise-updates/quantal. | 16:05 |
| yofel | cjwatson: I did, just forgot it wasn't yet out to precise | 16:07 |
| alexbligh1 | infinity, that's what I would have thought, but that doesn't seem to be the case | 16:07 |
| yofel | thanks for the reminder | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | alexbligh1: How do you mean? | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | There's no other way binaries get into the archive. | 16:07 |
| alexbligh1 | infinity, I am looking for the file 'sun/net/httpserver/ChunkedOutputStream.java' which is used to build rt.lib, which is provided by openjdk-headless | 16:07 |
| alexbligh1 | And though rt.lib is (somehow) built by that file, it does not contain the class | 16:08 |
| alexbligh1 | openjdk-6-source (which is not a source package) has a zip file in, which has that file in, which has a bug in. | 16:08 |
| alexbligh1 | I just don't understand how the java stuff is built | 16:09 |
| alexbligh1 | jar tf on rt.lib shows that class file was (somehow) used to build the rt.lib in it. | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | After getting the openjdk-6-jre-headless source package, cd to the directory it gives you and run 'debian/rules patch'. | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | Then you'll find that file in build/openjdk/jdk/src/share/classes/sun/net/httpserver/ChunkedOutputStream.java . | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | (That debian/rules target is run as part of dpkg-buildpackage, pre-build) | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | (I don't actually know anything about OpenJDK as such, just wrangling the build targets, so don't ask me for OpenJDK-specific advice ...) | 16:11 |
| alexbligh1 | cjwatson, thanks. I am missing some build-depends but will sort that out. | 16:11 |
| alexbligh1 | cjwatson, me neither :-) | 16:11 |
| alexbligh1 | I am very much hoping the answer is 'but you can just install the precise openjdk on lucid' but I think I may be in library hell/ | 16:15 |
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| alexbligh1 | cjwatson, thanks. Does Lucid take bugfixes to thing like Java? Specifically this one: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6744329 which claims to be released in 6u18(b03) but is mysteriously absent in the Ubuntu .20 point release. | 16:26 |
| infinity | alexbligh1: We'd SRU for things like that, sure. File a bug with a pointer to the patch. | 16:28 |
| alexbligh | l | 16:29 |
| infinity | @pilot in | 16:32 |
| === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive open | Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) is released! | Dev' of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/HaWdtw | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> precise | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: infinity | ||
| alexbligh1 | infinity, thanks, will do | 16:36 |
| * dholbach hugs infinity | 16:38 | |
| * xnox winks at infinity | 16:43 | |
| infinity | Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me? | 16:43 |
| dholbach | haha | 16:43 |
| infinity | dholbach: Hey, in exchange for piloting goodness, you can totally install all the precise-proposed packages from http://pad.lv/994208 and leave verification feedback on the bug, right? Thanks. ;) | 16:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 994208 in clang (Ubuntu) "Needs to know about quantal" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:45 |
| dholbach | infinity, man, I was just about to head out | 16:46 |
| dholbach | and use emacs? | 16:46 |
| dholbach | what else? | 16:47 |
| infinity | dholbach: *snicker* | 16:47 |
| infinity | I don't think I've had emacs installed for over a decade. | 16:47 |
| infinity | Going on two, actually... Last time I used it extensively was university. | 16:47 |
| infinity | PS: I'm old. | 16:47 |
| * xnox starts emacs with init | 16:49 | |
| infinity | Heathen. | 16:49 |
| infinity | I bet your terminals have white backgrounds too. | 16:49 |
| Chipzz | I heard once you can actually chsh /usr/bin/emacs | 16:49 |
| Chipzz | (or whatever the exact path is) | 16:50 |
| * dholbach starts to panic and looks for exit signs | 16:50 | |
| Chipzz | haha lol vim fan here :) | 16:50 |
| Chipzz | but... *off-topic* :P | 16:51 |
| xnox | infinity: http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized | 16:52 |
| infinity | This dude takes his colours rather seriously... | 16:55 |
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| roaksoax | smo/win 6 | 17:05 |
| csgeek | is there a live stream of UDS ? I can't make it out there 'till Friday. I was hoping I could catch some of what's going on | 17:10 |
| slangasek | mvo: 993190> this discussion again? :-) | 17:13 |
| slangasek | mvo: we already don't show any debconf prompt on a stock desktop system | 17:13 |
| slangasek | mvo: it's only when users have extra services installed that the prompt shows up | 17:13 |
| infinity | mvo: There's "auto-expand-termimal" code? I've never actually seen that happen. :P | 17:19 |
| cjwatson | It only happens if libgtk2-perl (or similar) is missing when update-manager starts, not when it's deconfigured or worse at the point when debconf actually needs to ask a question. | 17:20 |
| cjwatson | It's a startup check. | 17:20 |
| cjwatson | So it's no use for Perl transitions. | 17:20 |
| zaytsev | cjwatson: sorry, was distracted; patching bootlogo with a hex editor took 2 sec and works as a charm, i would go the hard way, but it's all your canonical people fault: i've got so used to launchpad that i don't even have pbuilder set up locally ;-) | 17:22 |
| cjwatson | as you like :-) | 17:24 |
| mvo | slangasek: right, in this case it was a user that had rsync installed by their admins (for rdiff-backup I think). I don't mind being overriden here, but I'm concerned about the breakage that can happen if the upgrade stops this early :/ | 17:25 |
| mvo | infinity: well, there should be :/ | 17:25 |
| cjwatson | there was another bug where I had a go at analysing this too | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | bug 979661 | 17:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 979661 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "oneiric to precise: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome and falls back to Dialog" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979661 | 17:27 |
| slangasek | mvo: right, I don't think I've ever seen the auto-expander code, as infinity mentions... any chance we could fix *that*? | 17:27 |
| slangasek | I'm very reluctant to restart arbitrary services out from under the user that we know very little about | 17:28 |
| cjwatson | you'd have to do some pretty cool things with vte to make it dynamically auto-expand | 17:28 |
| cjwatson | though I suppose that's why we have vte in there | 17:28 |
| mvo | slangasek: certainly, this is a bug in itself if that does not work that needs fixing | 17:29 |
| slangasek | mvo: do we have an environment variable that tells us if we're in a release-upgrade or not? | 17:30 |
| doko | today I found three damaged hard disks when upgrading my build machines ... just one is running now. not a good day :-/ | 17:30 |
| slangasek | if we could key on that, I'd reluctantly accept auto-restarting | 17:30 |
| slangasek | because during a release upgrade users should expect restarting | 17:30 |
| cjwatson | mvo: oh, I got a bit carried away with some Python 3 preparation in update-manager and ended up doing the bulk of the port, pending a few libraries and bug-fixes | 17:30 |
| mvo | cjwatson: woah, very nice! | 17:30 |
| slangasek | what I don't want is for this question to silently cause restarts on a library upgrade alone, when the user may not be expecting it | 17:30 |
| cjwatson | mvo: it's just in trunk, feel free to review :) | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | it won't quite run yet | 17:31 |
| infinity | slangasek: I'd almost say that I wouldn't mind restarting if the frontend was a GUI one, but that's my own elitist "servers don't have GUIs, and desktop users want stuff to Just Work" belief, and probably not widely-held. :P | 17:33 |
| slangasek | infinity: desktop users don't install servers and already don't have this problem | 17:34 |
| slangasek | so the affected users are doing strange things with their desktops and I don't think we can safely extrapolate | 17:34 |
| infinity | slangasek: True, it's a curious cross-section of people. | 17:35 |
| infinity | slangasek: That said, if we have no issues with daemons auto-restarting on their own upgrades (and, indeed, we don't), why are we so anal about the same happening during a library upgrade? | 17:36 |
| mvo | cjwatson: out of curiosity, why trunk and not a seperate branch if its not quite running yet? | 17:37 |
| infinity | (For a long time, I've been wondering if there'd be a sane way to auto-restart daemons any time a dependency was upgraded, to make sure security updates took, etc) | 17:37 |
| slangasek | infinity: because users don't look at "oh, there's a libpam update" and automatically think "my database server is going to be offline, I should prepare for that" | 17:38 |
| * mvo looks at the auto-expand problem now | 17:38 | |
| infinity | slangasek: No, they don't, and that's not something we should change in a stable release, but I'm wondering if maybe socialising that expectation might not be a bad idea. | 17:39 |
| * infinity shrugs. | 17:39 | |
| slangasek | it will always catch some people by surprise | 17:39 |
| infinity | Yup. | 17:39 |
| slangasek | beware-of-leopard, etc | 17:40 |
| infinity | So will having stale libraries loaded when you thought you were current on security updates. | 17:40 |
| slangasek | well, that's why the upgrade doesn't let you silently fail to restart services | 17:40 |
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| cjwatson | mvo: I don't believe I broke Python 2, so I didn't think it mattered | 18:02 |
| cjwatson | mvo: my preferred porting approach involves gradually translating things into the common subset of both languages, with the odd sys.version conditional where there's no alternative; this tends to be pretty trunk-friendly - but also the changes tend to be very extensive and touch lots of files in small ways, so I didn't want to have to maintain a long-lived branch that would be hard to merge | 18:05 |
| cjwatson | anyway, I don't think it'll take much longer to complete the app side of this port | 18:05 |
| mvo | cjwatson: aha, thanks, I missed the bit that it continues to run just fine in py2 | 18:06 |
| mvo | fwiw lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/precise should have a fix for the timeout handling | 18:07 |
| cjwatson | at some point we can drop py2 compatibility, but I'd rather wait until after the py3 port is well-established, and in the case of u-m it might need to keep working with py2 until after T | 18:08 |
| mvo | cjwatson: yeah, exactly, at least the dist-upgrade part will have to, so this approach makes perfect sense | 18:09 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: there's an env var you can check - look at debconf, it uses it | 18:10 |
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| slangasek | cjwatson: mm, not finding any obviously-named vars when grepping the debconf source | 18:17 |
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| slangasek | mvo: hmm, how does that update-manager change fix things? I only see a change to the timeout length...? | 18:37 |
| mvo | slangasek: sorry, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/precise/revision/2392 is the relevant change | 18:39 |
| mvo | slangasek: its a bit confusing I guess I should reorder that | 18:39 |
| slangasek | ah :) | 18:40 |
| slangasek | mvo: cool - do you plan to upload today? | 18:41 |
| mvo | I will try to get to it, my test looks good | 18:42 |
| slangasek | sweet, thanks | 18:42 |
| mvo | yw | 18:42 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: apparently I was thinking of libssl1.0.0.postinst | 18:48 |
| cjwatson | [ "$RELEASE_UPGRADE_MODE" = desktop ] | 18:48 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: right - I think we're already checking that var, but I wasn't sure if it was specific to release upgrades... I should double-check | 18:49 |
| cjwatson | pretty sure it is | 18:50 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: yep, seems to be... so I guess we can reasonably restart without warning after all | 18:57 |
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| slangasek | cjwatson: keep an eye on the terminal> yes, mvo has committed a fix to do that now | 20:09 |
| * infinity lunches. | 20:12 | |
| slangasek | apw: bug #989793 is looking interesting; could we have a race between plymouth-splash, and nouveaufb replacing efifb, in the case of an EFI boot? | 20:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 989793 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "blank screen on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/989793 | 20:13 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: well, ish - as I mentioned in the bug, it's a five-minute timeout | 20:16 |
| slangasek | right | 20:16 |
| slangasek | sorry, saw that mail after :) | 20:16 |
| adam_g | when seeking sponsorship for SRu, how can i file a merge proposal of a branch into precise-proposed/$foo if $foo doesn't have a precise-proposed branch yet? | 21:20 |
| tumbleweed | you can't. so just use precise/$foo | 21:21 |
| tumbleweed | and it will have t obe marked as merged manually | 21:21 |
| infinity | adam_g: Or just provide a diff in the bug. | 21:23 |
| adam_g | thanks | 21:24 |
| adam_g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/990742 has a debdiff attached, just need to initiate a no change upload to -proposed | 21:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 990742 in openldap (Ubuntu Precise) "slapd fails to upgrade: requires libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.24) installed" [Undecided,Triaged] | 21:25 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: hey, happen to be around? | 21:50 |
| cjwatson | Daviey: packing, what's up? | 21:52 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: Happen to be able to spend a few minutes pointing to d-i support for casper/squashfs? | 21:52 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: I can see how to boot INTO a live enviroment.. but not unpack to disk via d-i, skipping packages unpack/configure etc. | 21:53 |
| cjwatson | Daviey: look at the live-installer source package, please | 21:57 |
| cjwatson | Daviey: and compare with the Debian Live images, which install this way | 21:57 |
| cjwatson | I pointed smoser at the same things the other day - did a message get lost somewhere? | 21:57 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: Probably, i'll dig in.. Trying to tie it together.. Thanks. | 21:58 |
| cjwatson | debian/live-installer.postinst is the entry point | 21:59 |
| cjwatson | in support/squashfs you can see that it already has support for casper's squashfs path | 21:59 |
| Daviey | yeah, just saw that | 21:59 |
| cjwatson | this just replaces the bootstrap-base step (i.e. debootstrap), although obviously might install more packages than debootstrap does depending on what's in the squashfs | 22:00 |
| cjwatson | you would probably separately need to tell pkgsel not to do anything | 22:00 |
| cjwatson | but that's fairly easy, I bet you can just iterate until it DTRT | 22:00 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: thanks! | 22:05 |
| cjwatson | np | 22:05 |
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