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| eagles0513875 | hey guys | 06:11 |
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| eagles0513875 | i have a question for the 12.10 release what do i need to do to get make bumped up to 3.82 as with libreoffice there is a bug with a multiple core build that canonicals own sweet shark patched, and there is a modified version of make in the libreoffice codebase which would be great for inclusion. either that or from upstream, I am just not sure if his fix made it into upstream yet | 06:12 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: someone will probably pull that in, I'm guessing sweetshark will ask for it | 06:19 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: i hope so :) | 06:19 |
| eagles0513875 | how are you btw | 06:19 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: fine, thanks :) | 06:19 |
| eagles0513875 | looking forward to getting involved this cycle :) | 06:20 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: you could prepare the merge after asking the person who touched it last an looking for a bug showing someone working on it | 06:21 |
| micahg | and make is probably a topic for -devel | 06:23 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: i know sweetshark submitted a atch upstream to make and he has a bug report i will have to get it from him | 06:23 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: does it matter if its kubuntu-devel channel or ubuntu-devel? | 06:23 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: the patch appears to be in experimental | 06:23 |
| micahg | ubuntu-devel for general stuff, kubuntu for kubuntu related | 06:23 |
| eagles0513875 | :-/ | 06:24 |
| eagles0513875 | what repos does ubuntu pull from in regards to development of each new release | 06:24 |
| micahg | by general I mean affecting core stuff | 06:24 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035154.html | 06:25 |
| micahg | see that thread | 06:25 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: what about other packages such libreoffice with newer versions and mysql workbench how does that work? | 06:28 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: libreoffice sweetshark handles, if you want to help, contact him (#ubuntu-desktop is a good place to discuss), mysql-workbench, feel free to request syncs after Debian Import Freeze (or sooner if something is broke) | 06:30 |
| eagles0513875 | nothing is broken the problem i think we are going to have is that usually when a new release comes out in the workbench channel we usually tell people to upgrade to the latest version | 06:30 |
| eagles0513875 | to see if the problem was fixed there | 06:30 |
| micahg | or propose bug fixes if you have them into the sponsorship queue (or push to Debian and request a sync when it's released) | 06:31 |
| eagles0513875 | do you know if someone has started a ppa for mysql workbench which will contain all the latest versions so to speak of workbench? | 06:31 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: well, as long as nothing else depends on it, there's always backports, if the one in the release is actually broke, an SRU of some sort could be considered (preferably a targeted fix) | 06:32 |
| micahg | even if there are dependencies, they just need to be run/install or build/run/install tested | 06:32 |
| micahg | err..install/run or build/install/run | 06:32 |
| eagles0513875 | wouldnt a ppa be better though to have newer versions as they are released for users to use in between releases? | 06:33 |
| micahg | no, backports from oneiric on is on by default (pinned lower so you have to explicitly choose that version), PPAs need to be added to software sources | 06:33 |
| eagles0513875 | correct | 06:34 |
| micahg | so, you reach all users in oneiric+ with backports, seems like the best choice assuming you can get the new release into Ubuntu in a timely manner | 06:34 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: so its better to package a newer version and request sponsorship upstream | 06:35 |
| micahg | yeah, push to Debian is always going to be best (occasionally you just need release team coordination) | 06:35 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: the way i understand things its better to get things in the case of ubuntu into upstream debian or is that not always the case | 06:35 |
| micahg | *almost always | 06:35 |
| eagles0513875 | what would be reasons to where that wouldnt be the case? | 06:36 |
| micahg | release schedule timing | 06:36 |
| eagles0513875 | do you mind clarifying what backports repository actually is | 06:36 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports | 06:37 |
| eagles0513875 | ty | 06:37 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: in precise, we have a nice tool called requestbackport in ubuntu-dev-tools | 06:38 |
| eagles0513875 | so micahg i package up the newer release of workbench then request it be backported | 06:38 |
| eagles0513875 | then once its backported can it be then moved to the appropriate repository for the next release? | 06:38 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: yeah, I'd suggest chatting with the maintainers listed here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mysql-workbench.html | 06:39 |
| micahg | then you can request a sync to Ubuntu and then once that builds, request a backport to previous releases | 06:39 |
| eagles0513875 | ya im already doing that | 06:39 |
| eagles0513875 | well it seems like for precise you have 38 whch is previous release of workbench which is fine and its in debian finally which is a good thing | 06:40 |
| eagles0513875 | :) but i will discuss it with them | 06:40 |
| micahg | yeah, you could request a backport to earlier releases if you're willing to install/run test them (and it builds) | 06:40 |
| micahg | or find someone who's willing to install/run test them | 06:40 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: well the workbench devs are already provide their own ubuntu packages | 06:41 |
| eagles0513875 | they have on their site packages i believe for 10.04 and 11.04 | 06:41 |
| eagles0513875 | anywho i gotta run thanks for the info :) | 06:41 |
| eagles0513875 | morning dholbach | 06:41 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: I have a backporter hat around here somewhere, let me know if I can help | 06:42 |
| dholbach | hi eagles0513875 | 06:42 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:42 |
| geser | good morning | 06:54 |
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| Rhonda | Isn't #993262 rather a unity bug? | 10:09 |
| Rhonda | And Bug #937790 also seems to be unity related somehow … | 10:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 937790 in wesnoth-1.10 (Ubuntu) "Problems with fullscreen mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937790 | 10:10 |
| Rhonda | ah, is also marked as affecting unity anyway | 10:11 |
| * eagles0513875 is still debating if i should update to quantal and get my packaging environment finalized | 10:17 | |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: you said ubuntu-devel would be an ideal place to discuss pushing to bump make up to 3.82 right | 10:22 |
| micahg | yeah | 10:24 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: tried to poke sweetshark but it seems like he is MIA | 10:24 |
| eagles0513875 | as hes the one that filed the bug :-/ will do some more googling | 10:25 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: huh? he's in #ubuntu-desktop now :) | 10:25 |
| * Rhonda wonders … whether a Games session should be done soonish which does cover actual Free games already *included* in Ubuntu … instead of the one recently covering proprietary games that external … %-/ | 10:25 | |
| eagles0513875 | Rhonda: no need go to playdeb.net all debian available games are listed there :D | 10:25 |
| eagles0513875 | they have their own repo with all the games | 10:25 |
| Rhonda | eagles0513875: Yes, and with all new bugs and incompatibilities in them. Hooray! | 10:25 |
| Rhonda | That's still external and from their approach of working totally out of the community. | 10:26 |
| eagles0513875 | Rhonda: join the getdeb channel i think it is on here and talk with them about the issues | 10:26 |
| Rhonda | BTDT, got the frustration. | 10:26 |
| Rhonda | They aren't interested in integrating or giving back but keep doing their own thing. | 10:27 |
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| Rhonda | … which leads to more obscure bugs that annoy regular package maintainers for the regular universe archive. | 10:27 |
| eagles0513875 | Rhonda: would you like me to try and talk to them | 10:30 |
| Rhonda | hah | 10:31 |
| Rhonda | eagles0513875: http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/12.04/?q=wesnoth-1.10 and click on "Changes" | 10:32 |
| eagles0513875 | O_o | 10:32 |
| Rhonda | I'm quite certain that they do *not* include the patch for using the proper font for older releases. | 10:33 |
| Rhonda | And I gave up because it was frustrating. | 10:33 |
| Rhonda | They do their thing, they are free to, but I am not interested in their buggy approaches. | 10:33 |
| Rhonda | And given that they aren't interested in communication or integration I stopped caring. | 10:34 |
| Rhonda | I can't do other bug discourage using playdeb because of such situations on regular basis. | 10:36 |
| Rhonda | s/bug/but/ | 10:36 |
| * micahg would treat it like a PPA and close the bugs !Ubuntu package | 10:37 | |
| Rhonda | Right, just wanted to explain to eagles0513875 the background why I don't think bringing up playdeb is a good idea. :) | 10:39 |
| eagles0513875 | Rhonda: sry | 10:39 |
| eagles0513875 | what would be interesting and im not sure canonical woudl go for and back is a version of ubuntu dedicated to gamers | 10:39 |
| micahg | eagles0513875: you could probably have a game flavour if there was enough support behind it | 10:41 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: seeing in the store games like world of goo released for linux | 10:41 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: i think though it wouldnt work very well with the current release cycle that ubuntu follows it would have to be more along the lines of a rolling release | 10:42 |
| micahg | oh, that..there's already humble bundle and such | 10:42 |
| eagles0513875 | what do you mean | 10:42 |
| Rhonda | goo was in an humble bundle :) | 10:42 |
| eagles0513875 | technically if you release games on mac they shouldnt need much more work to get them running on linux since mac uses mostly the same technologies as linux | 10:43 |
| Rhonda | Erm, … well … no? | 10:43 |
| Rhonda | Just because there is SDL and GTK on mac too, but then, that's on windows too? | 10:44 |
| Rhonda | Developers still don't regularly settle for that. | 10:45 |
| eagles0513875 | when i say same technologies i mean such as open gl and all that | 10:45 |
| Rhonda | "open gl and all that" is on windows too | 10:45 |
| Rhonda | That's a rather naive point of view, or I don't get your point. | 10:45 |
| eagles0513875 | Rhonda: enlighten me how much more work would getting those games to run on linux require? | 10:46 |
| Rhonda | No idea which of "those games" you mean, I didn't code "those games" neither, so I don't have the insight in how heavily they depend on windows-centric (or OSX centric) code they have in there. | 10:54 |
| eagles0513875 | Rhonda: game development has become easy for all platforms except linux sadly in regards to game engines | 10:55 |
| Rhonda | And still you claim that porting a game from OSX to Linux would be a non-brainer? :) | 10:56 |
| eagles0513875 | Rhonda: yes i could be missing | 10:56 |
| eagles0513875 | some things | 10:56 |
| * eagles0513875 goes about finishing setting up my packaging environment | 10:57 | |
| Rhonda | _If_ using the proper frameworks, then yes. But most games don't. | 10:57 |
| * eagles0513875 will also upgrade to quantal once i have a bootable pen drive ready :) in case of a reinstall | 10:58 | |
| tumbleweed | ScottK: wxwidgets2.6 turned out to be fairly easy to kill. olly has already done all the work in Debian. bug 992941 (if you can do removals) | 11:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 992941 in wxwidgets2.6 (Ubuntu) "Remove wxwidgets2.6" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/992941 | 11:43 |
| dupondje | master tumbleweed ! :) | 11:51 |
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| tumbleweed | dupondje: I eventually figured out xaralx's problem. yay for generic names like jconfig | 12:05 |
| dupondje | Yea I saw :) good catch | 12:13 |
| dupondje | :) | 12:13 |
| ScottK | tumbleweed: Cool. | 12:44 |
| Rhonda | wx, that reminds me of a required update for pgadmin3 … | 13:01 |
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| bobweaver | Hello there all for taking screen shots of program for software center. Do I have to call it in the Meta Data in the control file ? or do I just upload to site. thanks for your time | 17:50 |
| jcfp | bobweaver: iirc those screenshots come from screenshots.debian.net | 17:55 |
| bobweaver | cool so I have to submit there when I submit my software but I do not need to call it before build in /debian file is what you are saying. Thanks again for your time | 17:57 |
| jcfp | they probably only accept those for software already in the repositories, but yeah, it's not a part of the packaging in the debian dir | 17:59 |
| bobweaver | cool thanks again ! | 18:00 |
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| tumbleweed | broder, Laney: looks like lynxman is preparing a keysinging party: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/KeySigningParty?action=info | 19:32 |
| lynxman | tumbleweed: indeed :) | 20:50 |
| tumbleweed | lynxman: you found a spot in the schedule yet? | 20:54 |
| micahg | jbicha: you seem to have forgotten -v in your tracker upload :) | 20:58 |
| dupondje | some motu going to Oakland ? | 20:59 |
| * broder waves | 21:00 | |
| micahg | o/ | 21:00 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: yup | 21:01 |
| dupondje | you guys don't have to work ? :p | 21:02 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: don't see you on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-motu-bof | 21:02 |
| micahg | Just saw it now :) | 21:02 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: my employer is nice. Not quite cool enough to fly me to conferences, but can at least do it on work time. | 21:03 |
| * micahg will do another blueprint scour sat night | 21:04 | |
| dupondje | your lucky :) | 21:04 |
| ajmitch | tumbleweed: that's pretty good, I'm doing this on holiday time | 21:09 |
| micahg | ajmitch: you're coming to UDS? | 21:09 |
| ajmitch | micahg: yeah | 21:10 |
| micahg | cool | 21:10 |
| tumbleweed | I asked if I could do debconf too, haven't got a firm response yet :P | 21:10 |
| * ajmitch had already been to linux.conf.au this yeah, can't complain too much | 21:11 | |
| tumbleweed | those sound like a lot of fun | 21:11 |
| ajmitch | oh that was :) | 21:11 |
| * dupondje should really work in a more linux minded company | 21:14 | |
| jbicha | micahg: you know that I never remember -v :( | 21:26 |
| lynxman | tumbleweed: we got Thursday evening assigned as usual, 6:30pm. Just need to get a free room | 22:12 |
| tumbleweed | cool | 22:13 |
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