[06:11] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[06:12] <eagles0513875> i have a question for the 12.10 release what do i need to do to get make bumped up to 3.82 as with libreoffice there is a bug with a multiple core build that canonicals own sweet shark patched, and there is a modified version of make in the libreoffice codebase which would be great for inclusion. either that or from upstream, I am just not sure if his fix made it into upstream yet
[06:19] <micahg> eagles0513875: someone will probably pull that in, I'm guessing sweetshark will ask for it
[06:19] <eagles0513875> micahg: i hope so :)
[06:19] <eagles0513875> how are you btw
[06:19] <micahg> eagles0513875: fine, thanks :)
[06:20] <eagles0513875> looking forward to getting involved this cycle :)
[06:21] <micahg> eagles0513875: you could prepare the merge after asking the person who touched it last an looking for a bug showing someone working on it
[06:23] <micahg> and make is probably a topic for -devel
[06:23] <eagles0513875> micahg: i know sweetshark submitted a atch upstream to make and he has a bug report i will have to get it from him
[06:23] <eagles0513875> micahg: does it matter if its kubuntu-devel channel or ubuntu-devel?
[06:23] <micahg> eagles0513875: the patch appears to be in experimental
[06:23] <micahg> ubuntu-devel for general stuff, kubuntu for kubuntu related
[06:24] <eagles0513875> :-/
[06:24] <eagles0513875> what repos does ubuntu pull from in regards to development of each new release
[06:24] <micahg> by general I mean affecting core stuff
[06:25] <micahg> eagles0513875: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035154.html
[06:25] <micahg> see that thread
[06:28] <eagles0513875> micahg: what about other packages such libreoffice with newer versions and mysql workbench how does that work?
[06:30] <micahg> eagles0513875: libreoffice sweetshark handles, if you want to help, contact him (#ubuntu-desktop is a good place to discuss), mysql-workbench, feel free to request syncs after Debian Import Freeze (or sooner if something is broke)
[06:30] <eagles0513875> nothing is broken the problem i think we are going to have is that usually when a new release comes out in the workbench channel we usually tell people to upgrade to the latest version
[06:30] <eagles0513875> to see if the problem was fixed there
[06:31] <micahg> or propose bug fixes if you have them into the sponsorship queue (or push to Debian and request a sync when it's released)
[06:31] <eagles0513875> do you know if someone has started a ppa for mysql workbench which will contain all the latest versions so to speak of workbench?
[06:32] <micahg> eagles0513875: well, as long as nothing else depends on it, there's always backports, if the one in the release is actually broke, an SRU of some sort could be considered (preferably a targeted fix)
[06:32] <micahg> even if there are dependencies, they just need to be run/install or build/run/install tested
[06:32] <micahg> err..install/run or build/install/run
[06:33] <eagles0513875> wouldnt a ppa be better though to have newer versions as they are released for users to use in between releases?
[06:33] <micahg> no, backports from oneiric on is on by default (pinned lower so you have to explicitly choose that version), PPAs need to be added to software sources
[06:34] <eagles0513875> correct
[06:34] <micahg> so, you reach all users in oneiric+ with backports, seems like the best choice assuming you can get the new release into Ubuntu in a timely manner
[06:35] <eagles0513875> micahg: so its better to package a newer version and request sponsorship upstream
[06:35] <micahg> yeah, push to Debian is always going to be best (occasionally you just need release team coordination)
[06:35] <eagles0513875> micahg: the way i understand things its better to get things in the case of ubuntu into upstream debian or is that not always the case
[06:35] <micahg> *almost always
[06:36] <eagles0513875> what would be reasons to where that wouldnt be the case?
[06:36] <micahg> release schedule timing
[06:36] <eagles0513875> do you mind clarifying what backports repository actually is
[06:37] <micahg> eagles0513875: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:37] <eagles0513875> ty
[06:38] <micahg> eagles0513875: in precise, we have a nice tool called requestbackport in ubuntu-dev-tools
[06:38] <eagles0513875> so micahg i package up the newer release of workbench then request it be backported
[06:38] <eagles0513875> then once its backported can it be then moved to the appropriate repository for the next release?
[06:39] <micahg> eagles0513875: yeah, I'd suggest chatting with the maintainers listed here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mysql-workbench.html
[06:39] <micahg> then you can request a sync to Ubuntu and then once that builds, request a backport to previous releases
[06:39] <eagles0513875> ya im already doing that
[06:40] <eagles0513875> well it seems like for precise  you have 38 whch is previous release of workbench which is fine and its in debian finally which is a good thing
[06:40] <eagles0513875> :) but i will discuss it with them
[06:40] <micahg> yeah, you could request a backport to earlier releases if you're willing to install/run test them (and it builds)
[06:40] <micahg> or find someone who's willing to install/run test them
[06:41] <eagles0513875> micahg: well the workbench devs are already provide their own ubuntu packages
[06:41] <eagles0513875> they have on their site packages i believe for 10.04 and 11.04
[06:41] <eagles0513875> anywho i gotta run thanks for the info :)
[06:41] <eagles0513875> morning dholbach
[06:42] <micahg> eagles0513875: I have a backporter hat around here somewhere, let me know if I can help
[06:42] <dholbach> hi eagles0513875
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <geser> good morning
[10:09] <Rhonda> Isn't #993262 rather a unity bug?
[10:10] <Rhonda> And Bug #937790 also seems to be unity related somehow …
[10:11] <Rhonda> ah, is also marked as affecting unity anyway
[10:17]  * eagles0513875 is still debating if i should update to quantal and get my packaging environment finalized
[10:22] <eagles0513875> micahg: you said ubuntu-devel would be an ideal place to discuss pushing to bump make up to 3.82 right
[10:24] <micahg> yeah
[10:24] <eagles0513875> micahg: tried to poke sweetshark but it seems like he is MIA
[10:25] <eagles0513875> as hes the one that filed the bug :-/ will do some more googling
[10:25] <micahg> eagles0513875: huh?  he's in #ubuntu-desktop now :)
[10:25]  * Rhonda wonders … whether a Games session should be done soonish which does cover actual Free games already *included* in Ubuntu …  instead of the one recently covering proprietary games that external …   %-/
[10:25] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: no need go to playdeb.net all debian available games are listed there :D
[10:25] <eagles0513875> they have their own repo with all the games
[10:25] <Rhonda> eagles0513875: Yes, and with all new bugs and incompatibilities in them.  Hooray!
[10:26] <Rhonda> That's still external and from their approach of working totally out of the community.
[10:26] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: join the getdeb channel i think it is on here and talk with them about the issues
[10:26] <Rhonda> BTDT, got the frustration.
[10:27] <Rhonda> They aren't interested in integrating or giving back but keep doing their own thing.
[10:27] <Rhonda> … which leads to more obscure bugs that annoy regular package maintainers for the regular universe archive.
[10:30] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: would you like me to try and talk to them
[10:31] <Rhonda> hah
[10:32] <Rhonda> eagles0513875: http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/12.04/?q=wesnoth-1.10 and click on "Changes"
[10:32] <eagles0513875> O_o
[10:33] <Rhonda> I'm quite certain that they do *not* include the patch for using the proper font for older releases.
[10:33] <Rhonda> And I gave up because it was frustrating.
[10:33] <Rhonda> They do their thing, they are free to, but I am not interested in their buggy approaches.
[10:34] <Rhonda> And given that they aren't interested in communication or integration I stopped caring.
[10:36] <Rhonda> I can't do other bug discourage using playdeb because of such situations on regular basis.
[10:36] <Rhonda> s/bug/but/
[10:37]  * micahg would treat it like a PPA and close the bugs !Ubuntu package 
[10:39] <Rhonda> Right, just wanted to explain to eagles0513875 the background why I don't think bringing up playdeb is a good idea. :)
[10:39] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: sry
[10:39] <eagles0513875> what would be interesting and im not sure canonical woudl go for and back is a version of ubuntu dedicated to gamers
[10:41] <micahg> eagles0513875: you could probably have a game flavour if there was enough support behind it
[10:41] <eagles0513875> micahg: seeing in the store games like world of goo released for linux
[10:42] <eagles0513875> micahg: i think though it wouldnt work very well with the current release cycle that ubuntu follows it would have to be more along the lines of a rolling release
[10:42] <micahg> oh, that..there's already humble bundle and such
[10:42] <eagles0513875> what do you mean
[10:42] <Rhonda> goo was in an humble bundle :)
[10:43] <eagles0513875> technically if you release games on mac they shouldnt need much more work to get them running on linux since mac uses mostly the same technologies as linux
[10:43] <Rhonda> Erm, … well … no?
[10:44] <Rhonda> Just because there is SDL and GTK on mac too, but then, that's on windows too?
[10:45] <Rhonda> Developers still don't regularly settle for that.
[10:45] <eagles0513875> when i say same technologies i mean such as open gl and all that
[10:45] <Rhonda> "open gl and all that" is on windows too
[10:45] <Rhonda> That's a rather naive point of view, or I don't get your point.
[10:46] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: enlighten me how much more work would getting those games to run on linux require?
[10:54] <Rhonda> No idea which of "those games" you mean, I didn't code "those games" neither, so I don't have the insight in how heavily they depend on windows-centric (or OSX centric) code they have in there.
[10:55] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: game development has become easy for all platforms except linux sadly in regards to game engines
[10:56] <Rhonda> And still you claim that porting a game from OSX to Linux would be a non-brainer?  :)
[10:56] <eagles0513875> Rhonda: yes i could be missing
[10:56] <eagles0513875> some things
[10:57]  * eagles0513875 goes about finishing setting up my packaging environment
[10:57] <Rhonda> _If_ using the proper frameworks, then yes.  But most games don't.
[10:58]  * eagles0513875 will also upgrade to quantal once i have a bootable pen drive ready :) in case of a reinstall
[11:43] <tumbleweed> ScottK: wxwidgets2.6 turned out to be fairly easy to kill. olly has already done all the work in Debian. bug 992941 (if you can do removals)
[11:51] <dupondje> master tumbleweed ! :)
[12:05] <tumbleweed> dupondje: I eventually figured out xaralx's problem. yay for generic names like jconfig
[12:13] <dupondje> Yea I saw :) good catch
[12:13] <dupondje> :)
[12:44] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Cool.
[13:01] <Rhonda> wx, that reminds me of a required update for pgadmin3 …
[17:50] <bobweaver> Hello there all for taking screen shots of program for software center. Do I have to call it in the Meta Data in the control file ? or do I just upload to site. thanks for your time
[17:55] <jcfp> bobweaver: iirc those screenshots come from screenshots.debian.net
[17:57] <bobweaver> cool so I have to submit there when I submit my software but I do not need to call it before build in /debian file is what you are saying. Thanks again for your time
[17:59] <jcfp> they probably only accept those for software already in the repositories, but yeah, it's not a part of the packaging in the debian dir
[18:00] <bobweaver> cool thanks again !
[19:32] <tumbleweed> broder, Laney: looks like lynxman is preparing a keysinging party: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/KeySigningParty?action=info
[20:50] <lynxman> tumbleweed: indeed :)
[20:54] <tumbleweed> lynxman: you found a spot in the schedule yet?
[20:58] <micahg> jbicha: you seem to have forgotten -v in your tracker upload :)
[20:59] <dupondje> some motu going to Oakland ?
[21:00]  * broder waves
[21:00] <micahg> o/
[21:01] <tumbleweed> dupondje: yup
[21:02] <dupondje> you guys don't have to work ? :p
[21:02] <tumbleweed> micahg: don't see you on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-motu-bof
[21:02] <micahg> Just saw it now :)
[21:03] <tumbleweed> dupondje: my employer is nice. Not quite cool enough to fly me to conferences, but can at least do it on work time.
[21:04]  * micahg will do another blueprint scour sat night
[21:04] <dupondje> your lucky :)
[21:09] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: that's pretty good, I'm doing this on holiday time
[21:09] <micahg> ajmitch: you're coming to UDS?
[21:10] <ajmitch> micahg: yeah
[21:10] <micahg> cool
[21:10] <tumbleweed> I asked if I could do debconf too, haven't got a firm response yet :P
[21:11]  * ajmitch had already been to linux.conf.au this yeah, can't complain too much
[21:11] <tumbleweed> those sound like a lot of fun
[21:11] <ajmitch> oh that was :)
[21:14]  * dupondje should really work in a more linux minded company
[21:26] <jbicha> micahg: you know that I never remember -v :(
[22:12] <lynxman> tumbleweed: we got Thursday evening assigned as usual, 6:30pm. Just need to get a free room
[22:13] <tumbleweed> cool