[08:34] <micahg> pitti: are you up for some copies?
[08:34] <pitti> micahg: bring it on
[08:35] <micahg> pitti: thunderbird and enigmail from ubunt-mozilla-security to $RELEASE-security and $RELEASE-updates for lucid, natty, oneiric, and precise, and lightning-extension from that PPA for natty-precise
[08:35] <micahg> *ubuntu-mozilla-security
[08:41] <pitti> 2012-05-04 08:40:44 ERROR   thunderbird 12.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.10.04.1 in lucid (same version already building in the destination archive for Lucid)
[08:41] <pitti> err
[08:41] <pitti> not all built yet?
[08:41] <pitti> micahg: ^ indeed, tbird/lucid building now on ia64, sparc, and needsbuild on ppc
[08:42] <pitti> micahg: so I can't copy to -security yet (I copied tbird to all -updates releases)
[08:42] <pitti> micahg: want me to go ahead with enigmail, or does that need build first, too?
[08:42] <micahg> pitti: :(, to -security would've failed quickly ;)
[08:42] <pitti> oh, does it? does that enforce that all builds are done?
[08:43] <micahg> nothing is allowed to build in -security
[08:43] <micahg> yeah, you have to copy enigmail and lightning-extension with thunderbird
[08:43]  * pitti starts with -security for enigmail
[08:44] <micahg> pitti: no
[08:44] <pitti> no?
[08:44]  * pitti ^Cs, but lucid already done
[08:44] <micahg> they should go to the respective pockets together
[08:45]  * pitti cancels everything and waits then
[08:45] <pitti> enigmail lucid-security is already copied, as I said; how bad is that?
[08:45] <micahg> can you delete and put everything in -updates and recopy when those builds are done?
[08:46]  * pitti copies enigmail to -updates for now, to match thunderbird
[08:47] <pitti> micahg: I hope the builds won't take too long to fail
[08:47] <pitti> micahg: we can delete enigmail from -security, but that would also kill the previous version
[08:47] <pitti> I guess that's not too bad, as it's also in -updates, and it's better to have none than a bad version in -security for an hour?
[08:48] <micahg> pitti: that's fine, the idea is that people don't upgrade to the new version with a broken extension
[08:48] <micahg> I don't envision many upgrading to 11 right now :)
[08:49] <micahg> rmadison also appears to be broke
[08:49] <pitti> yeah, just noticed
[08:49] <pitti> micahg: enigmail/lucid-security killed
[08:50] <micahg> thanks
[08:52] <pitti> I'm watching the lucid-updates builds, and once they all failed, I'll copy to -security
[08:52] <micahg> ok, thanks, can you ping me when that's done so I can publish the USN?
[08:53] <pitti> yep, of course
[08:53] <micahg> pitti: could you also promote the thunderbird-locale-* binaries listed here to main? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/t/thunderbird/
[08:57] <pitti> micahg: I promoted the locale packages; but why -mozsymbols?
[08:57] <pitti> they've never been in main and it's not seeded
[08:57] <micahg> pitti: mozsymbols not
[08:58] <micahg> I said specifically thunderbird-locale-* :)
[08:58] <pitti> oh, so you did, sorry :) so, done
[08:59]  * micahg checks how long the ppc build is
[08:59] <micahg> 12 minutes, ok, not bad
[09:00] <micahg> all should be <30 miun
[09:00] <micahg> *min
[09:03] <pitti> micahg: sulfur looks almost done as well, so soon we'll have three parallel builds
[09:10] <pitti> lucid/precise done, waiting on natty/oneiric
[09:24] <pitti> micahg: all copied now *phew*
[09:24] <micahg> pitti: thanks
[13:01] <cjwatson> I think the flood has slowed enough by now
[13:14] <ScottK> Doe we really need the queuebot?
[13:16] <cjwatson> I find it helpful for keeping routine NEW processing going more smoothly.  You can always /ignore it ...
[13:18] <ScottK> OK.
[13:18] <ScottK> If it's useful, I don't mind.
[14:46] <skaet> cjwatson,   I think there needs to be some wording added on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration to reflect the new use of -proposed for development releases.   Wait until after UDS?  or put a straw man up now for discussion?
[14:46] <skaet> (or at least that feels like the best fit I've found, but if you've spotted a better place,  that's cool).
[14:47] <ScottK> skaet: Since developers can copy stuff over in the development release, I'm not sure that's the best place for it.
[14:48] <skaet> ScottK,  thoughts about a better one?
[14:48] <ScottK> It ought to be self-service and not something more for archive admins to deal with.
[14:49]  * skaet was trying to figure out where the documentation of purpose, and setting expectations should go.
[14:49] <cjwatson> skaet: I don't think anything should be added there until such time as the tools are more useful.
[14:49] <cjwatson> i.e. foundations-p-upload-intermediary
[14:49] <cjwatson> Otherwise we encourage people to do lots of stuff we aren't set up to accept yet.
[14:49] <ScottK> skaet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment (and I agree with cjwatson on timing).
[14:50] <cjwatson> And agreed, if archive admins have to do this manually we've lost.
[14:50] <ScottK> Also that page looks like it could use some general modernization.
[14:50]  * skaet nods
[14:51] <skaet> cjwatson,  ok, post UDS (where post is dependent on tool timing).
[15:51]  * infinity blinks at queuebot's stutter.
[15:51] <seb128> ^ sorry, messed up with upload here, I rejected the buggy ones...
[15:51] <infinity> Oh.
[16:15] <tumbleweed> cleaned up a bunch of bugs we were subscribed to that arnen't in terminal states or Incomplete. not too sure what to do with the rest: http://tinyurl.com/dxn8dve
[16:31] <skaet> tumbleweed,  take a pass at the ones listed as undecided and if there are ones that fit the high/critical category,  series target to quantal, and for precise decide if SRU target or not.   (some of the cleanups maybe should be)
[16:31] <skaet> (and thanks for doing the scrubbing :) )