[00:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Waiting - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/05/03/waiting
[05:02] <Knightwise> hey everyone :) good morning
[06:00] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell unlike you to be online so early ;-)
[06:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha ha ha  http://twitpic.com/9gaj36
[06:43] <popey> morning
[06:44] <dogmatic69> o/
[07:09] <AlanBell> choo choo
[07:11] <diplo> Morning
[07:11] <justso> hi
[07:35] <daubers> Morning
[07:35]  * daubers does the excited dance
[07:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:45] <selinuxium> Morning all
[07:46] <selinuxium> Erm... Google.co.uk .... Human Centipede? O_o
[07:51] <DJones> bigcalm: What did you think of the S3 now its been announced/reviewed etc
[07:51] <DJones> Happy star wars day btw
[08:08] <dwatkins> May the forth be with you all
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good morning all and happy 4th May :)
[08:11] <bigcalm> DJones: my irssi proxy emailed me when you mentioned me as I wasn't yet connected to it. Really like that :)
[08:11] <bigcalm> DJones: yes, I'm looking forward to having a sgs3 in my hands to compare to the htc1x
[08:11] <bigcalm> The htc1x is big to hold, hoping that the sgs3 is a little more comfortable
[08:12] <DJones> Looking at the spec's, it looks to be about 1/2 cm longer/wider than my Desire HD
[08:17] <bigcalm> The same with my nexus one. Hope that t-mobile have dummy handsets in their shops soon
[08:23] <DJones> Must admit, I'm 50:50 whether to change phones & get an S3 (or better) when my contract is due in November, or just to keep this phone and just go with a giffgaff sim
[08:24] <bigcalm> My contract was due to renewal at the begining of April
[08:24] <bigcalm> The waiting is terrible
[08:25] <DJones> Heh, yeah, I was like that last time, I waited for the HD to come out for a couple of months
[08:26] <bigcalm> Yikes
[08:26] <bigcalm> The s3 is wider and taller than the 1x
[08:26] <bigcalm> Though slightly thinner
[08:26] <DJones> How does it compare to the Note?
[08:27] <bigcalm> htc1x 134.4 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm
[08:27] <bigcalm> sgs3 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6mm
[08:28] <DJones> Whats a couple of mm between friends
[08:28] <bigcalm> note 146.9 x 83 x 9.7 mm
[08:28] <DJones> Not much between the htc & the S3 then
[08:28] <bigcalm> Well, I find the htc1x uncomfortable to hold. So the handset I chose will now be down to what's in it
[08:29] <DJones> Heh, 1st 1000 order for the S3 at carphone warehouse get a free Galaxy Tab
[08:31] <bigcalm> DJones: that's what Alan Lord did
[08:31] <bigcalm> I'm happy with my Xoom, so don't have a need
[08:32] <DJones> bigcalm: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-htc-one-x-vs-iphone-4s
[08:32] <bigcalm> Looks like I'm not working this morning then :P
[08:32] <DJones> :)
[08:38] <bigcalm> I wonder by whom the reviews are trusted
[08:39] <diplo> Morning all
[08:39] <diplo> Can you .htaccess a symlinked dir ?
[08:40] <bigcalm> diplo: if the .htaccess rules in the parent directory say so
[08:40] <diplo> IE website is /srv/www/html and I have a symlinked dir from /srv/dir to /srv/www/html/dir
[08:40] <bigcalm> Follow symlinks
[08:40] <bigcalm> Or something similar
[08:40] <bigcalm> Try it :)
[08:40] <diplo> Yep, all on :)
[08:40] <diplo> I have, can't get it to work.. just wanted to make sure I read it right
[08:40] <diplo> :P
[08:40] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[08:41] <DJones> bigcalm: http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1059098/vs05-03_20-02-41x1020_gallery_post.jpg Looking at that, I prefer the HTC
[08:42] <bigcalm> Yeah
[08:42] <diplo> thehtc the onex ?
[08:42] <bigcalm> Though I did like the look of the s2
[08:42] <diplo> Sister is debating ordering the S3 this weekend
[08:43] <bigcalm> I have a month to mull it over
[08:43] <diplo> I defo want my next phone to have no buttons at the bottom though
[08:43] <smittix> Morning all.
[08:43] <oimon> it makes me laugh when people scream "we want games on linux". then there's news about EA , and the haters go "not those games!"
[08:43] <bigcalm> And the release day is while we're in Northern Ireland to celebrate Hayley's 40th birthday
[08:43] <diplo> I have big chubby fingers and keep hitting the hard buttons at the bottom
[08:44] <diplo> heh oimon - Always going to be some isn't there.
[08:44] <DJones> diplo: Now you've said that, smething I've never noticed is that mine doesn't have a button at the bottom
[08:44] <oimon> diplo, yeah, and vocal too. looks like reddit tells a lot of people what to think
[08:45] <bigcalm> I'm used to having the ball on my nexus one
[08:45] <diplo> I have a wildfire and the little butons at the bottom get hit all the time
[08:45] <bigcalm> Which is handy when the touch interface goes crazy if I'm lying in bed
[08:45] <oimon> does it?
[08:45] <bigcalm> Oh, those buttons. I like them on my n1
[08:45] <oimon> bigcalm, ah, if you have it under the covers then condensation forms on the screen
[08:46] <BigRedS> I do keep wishing my galaxy2 had more buttons than just the iPhone one
[08:46] <bigcalm> oimon: indeed, but this is out side of the covers. Starts off ok and then slowly goes crazy
[08:46] <oimon> hmm
[08:46] <BigRedS> bigcalm: mine does that sometimes on charge. Hasn't since I changed the USB cable i was using
[08:47] <bigcalm> Again, this is while it's unplugged (I don't think it makes a difference for me)
[08:49] <bigcalm> Goodness I'm tired
[08:52] <JamesTait> Happy Star Wars Day! *8OD
[08:53] <bigcalm> JamesTait: 4th May be with you
[08:55] <JamesTait> bigcalm: And you. :)
[09:03] <bigcalm> http://vimeo.com/40539993
[09:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:30] <wintellect> hi brobostigon
[09:31] <brobostigon> hi wintellect
[09:35] <dogmatic69> anyone know why my servers wlan0 keeps disconnecting? its been fine for a whole month, now 4 times in two days I have had to sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0 to make it work again
[09:35] <dogmatic69> is there anything I can look at to see what is causing this?
[09:36] <oimon> anything in dmesg?
[09:36] <oimon> or /var/log/syslog?
[09:36] <dogmatic69> one sec. I will go check
[09:36]  * dogmatic69 takes the kb with :/
[09:42] <dogmatic69> oimon: would it be [61650.020019] wlan0: authentication with c0:d0:44:48:e7:b5 timed out
[09:44] <dogmatic69> oimon: this is the last bit of dmesg http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1625039826
[09:44] <dogmatic69> funny how it connected right before I plugged the kb in
[09:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:53] <czajkowski> have some nice easy Lp questions if folks wnat to help
[09:53] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/195927
[09:53] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/195898
[10:04] <bigcalm> czajkowski: you have slashdotted the lp database
[10:05] <czajkowski> nah time of day for maintence
[10:13] <davmor2> morning all
[10:13] <davmor2> prod czajkowski
[10:13] <czajkowski> poke
[10:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: have a hug
[10:25] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2, how's your health?
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: much better, still a fair bit of pain but I got a lot of movement back, thanks you?
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: glad to hear that you're recovering. I'm ok ta, have that Friday feeling but too much to do as well
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah but mondays is a day off too so that was nice
[10:28] <bigcalm> Aye
[10:28] <bigcalm> Or will be nice
[10:37] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:37] <AlanBell> from the London Mozspace :)
[10:37] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell
[10:37] <mattt> morning guys
[10:38] <brobostigon> morning mattt
[10:39] <mattt> brobostigon: how you this morning?
[10:40] <brobostigon> mattt: headache the size of saturn. and you?
[10:40] <mattt> brobostigon: off this week, so doing alright :)
[10:40] <davmor2> AlanBell: That sounds like a fantastic name for a geek night club
[10:41] <brobostigon> mattt: :)
[10:41] <mattt> AlanBell: is that place open to the public?
[10:42] <AlanBell> open to geeks :)
[10:42] <AlanBell> it is really good
[10:42] <mattt> free to use?  :P
[10:42] <AlanBell> http://thenextweb.com/uk/2012/03/23/a-look-inside-mozillas-new-london-co-working-space/
[10:43] <AlanBell> yeah, it is amazing
[10:44] <mattt> wow, looks great
[10:44] <mattt> great place for meetups, etc. too
[10:46] <ali1234> http://cdn.thenextweb.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/03/bikeshed200.jpg i don't like this sign
[10:46] <ali1234> it should be blue
[10:48] <BigRedS> blue?
[10:49] <bigcalm> Orange isn't an Ubuntu exclusive colour you know :P
[10:49] <Myrtti> ali1234: haha
[10:52] <AlanBell> but I think someone should paint it green
[10:52] <directhex> tee hee @ ali1234
[10:52] <gordonjcp> ali1234: heh ;-)
[10:52] <AlanBell> it looks exactly like that with the same one bike on the wall
[10:53] <AlanBell> this place is quite empty but very nicely finished
[11:06] <brobostigon> it seems con-dem, have kinda took the hit, i predicted yesterday.
[11:08] <brobostigon> and some labour and green increases.
[11:17] <bigcalm> Getting this as a daily email from my proliant server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/966685/
[11:17] <bigcalm> Not sure what I need to do
[11:18] <BigRedS> bigcalm: check what the postrotate script for mysql does and see why it's failing
[11:18] <BigRedS> /etc/logrotate.d/mysql  will have the script in it
[11:19] <BigRedS> er .../mysql-server
[11:20] <cesarsdquadros> hello
[11:20] <cesarsdquadros> give me some help here
[11:20] <cesarsdquadros> someone to answer?
[11:20] <bigcalm> !ask
[11:20] <bigcalm> !patients
[11:21] <cesarsdquadros> i'm from brazil, working on brazilian army, we use ubuntu 10.04 lts
[11:21] <cesarsdquadros> and when i open
[11:21] <cesarsdquadros> the "terminal" don't appear any word like ubuntu@ubuntudesktop ~
[11:22] <cesarsdquadros> and i can't write anything too
[11:22] <cesarsdquadros> what is wrong
[11:23] <cesarsdquadros>  i'm from brazil, working on brazilian army, we use ubuntu 10.04 lts  and when i open  the "terminal" don't appear any word like ubuntu@ubuntudesktop ~ and i can't write anything too  what is wrong
[11:26] <cesarsdquadros> oh i have discover what is the mistake, is the colors of the terminal, i get use the color of the system sorry for the inconvenience. att. Pvt Quadros. 26 GAC - Brazil
[11:28] <AlanBell> ni cesarsdquadros
[11:28] <AlanBell> hi even
[11:28] <AlanBell> great to hear that Brazil is using Ubuntu :)
[11:28] <jpds> AlanBell: Didn't know you became a knight.
[11:29] <AlanBell> I just like to say ni
[11:30] <bigcalm> Everybody should say ni
[11:30] <bigcalm> Just don't say it
[11:31] <cesarsdquadros> We from brazilian army, use the ubuntu yes :D since the 9.04  and we are sattisfacted. with the evolution of linux and ubuntu debian versions, it's free! and the better OS on world
[11:33] <bigcalm> \o/
[11:39] <bigcalm> BigRedS: the debian-sys-maint user password needed updating - I had copied all of the databases from my old dev server to my new one. Including the mysql db
[11:40] <BigRedS> ahhh!
[11:40] <BigRedS> yeah, that'll do it :)
[11:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing Zow Zing
[11:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: nasty twitch you've got there
[11:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://borepatch.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/we-are-no-longer-knights-who-say-ni.html
[11:54] <DJones> When people complain about Ubuntu not supporting playind DVD's OTB, can we refer them to this in future http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45545/no-dvd-playback-for-windows-8
[11:54] <DJones> s/playind/playing/
[11:54] <BigRedS> as sort-of implied in that article, do many people try to watch DVDs on a computer still?
[11:55] <DJones> I never have, but I'm sure some do
[12:00] <Myrtti> we even bought the Limited Edition set of Harry Potters just because it came with both DVD and Bluray
[12:01] <Myrtti> I don't have a TV or DVD player at my apartment, but I do have a DVD drive on my laptops.
[12:06] <BigRedS> yeah, I watch films on computers sometimes, I just don't use DVDs to do it
[12:07] <shauno> I took the dvd drive out my laptop a week after I got it.  much more valuable as a second sata bay :)
[14:29] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a way to print a dump of all the code to be executed by a PHP file, including include()d code and the like?
[14:43] <bigcalm> Includes might be conditional
[14:45] <BigRedS> yeah, but I just want a dump of the code, so I figure the entirety of the included file can go in the conditional
[14:46] <BigRedS> get_included_files does what I want, though
[14:46] <BigRedS> I was just wondering which file might be breaking a page that somebody else wrote
[14:47] <BigRedS> though they seem to have fixed it now
[14:55] <DJones> bigcalm: Sorry to interrupt the work, start of this video is interesting http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9718735.stm
[15:03] <bigcalm> DJones: so the camera is on all the time to drain the battery?
[15:08] <DJones> Not sure, I can't see it
[15:10]  * Myrtti ♥ christel
[15:11] <MooDoo> *yawn*
[16:43]  * AlanBell haz many many Ubuntu 12.04 CDs
[16:43]  * AlanBell pops to the post box with the pre-orders
[16:44]  * AlanBell has no raspberry pi :(
[16:44] <AlanBell> popey: did yours arrive?
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> isn't popey on the other side of the world?
[16:45] <AlanBell> yes, but if it arrived I will pop round and collect it from @therealpopey
[17:17] <mattt> aww, Adam Yauch from beastie boys has passed away :(
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> MCA
[17:18] <gordonjcp> mattt: :-/
[17:48] <bigcalm> :O :(
[18:14] <buzz_> mattt, :(
[18:18] <czajkowski> gord: I have bickies and tea bags for you
[18:39] <kvarley> How would I go about doing the following? I want to find all files with a certain file extension and extract only those files from the archive. The archives are in rar format.
[18:41] <gordonjcp> what, extract only certain files from the archive?
[18:41] <gordonjcp> have a look at the options that unrar gives you
[18:42] <AlanBell> http://mulqueeny.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/buy-yourself-something-pretty/
[18:48] <AlanBell> 12.04 loco CDs have arrived, if you want one then you can have one http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[18:48] <zleap> cool
[18:52] <kvarley> gordonjcp: Found a forum post on it. Thanks anyway
[18:59] <zleap> hi issyl0
[19:06] <ali1234> ok so win8 won't play dvds... will it play blu-ray?
[19:11] <DJones> ali1234:  For optical discs playback on new Windows 8 devices, we are going to rely on the many quality solutions on the market, which provide great experiences for both DVD and Blu-ray."
[19:11] <ali1234> so no?
[19:11] <DJones> Doesn't look like it with out buying/installing after market software
[19:11] <DJones> In other words: If you want to watch that Bridesmaids DVD on your next plane trip, you're going to have to pay extra for software that will let you play it, even if your laptop already has a DVD drive. And don't think getting Blu-ray is an option — you can't play that straight from the box, either.
[19:12] <ali1234> so in other words exactly the same as the situation on ubuntu?
[19:12] <DJones> That is all from http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/windows-8-dropping-ability-play-dvds-171546904.html
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> Yay patent wars
[19:12] <DJones> ali1234: Yep
[19:12] <ali1234> likely this is a calculated ploy to get people to use windows marketplace
[19:13] <ali1234> they will probably "relent" 1 week after release and put something on there for free
[19:13] <DJones> Although, Ubuntu may be better off, that will play non-encrypted dvds by dfault won't it, from the sound of it Win 8 won't play dvd's period
[19:13] <ali1234> thus forcing everyone to sign up
[19:13] <DJones> Or install VLC
[19:14] <ali1234> unencrypted dvds on totem? lol
[19:14] <ali1234> VLC won't be allowed in the marketplace
[19:15] <zleap> ali1234, won't that cause problems with competition laws if only certain software is allowed in there
[19:15] <ali1234> er, no?
[19:15] <AlanBell> no
[19:15] <ali1234> didn't cause problems for android or iphone or mac os
[19:15] <ali1234> or meego or ubuntu
[19:15] <AlanBell> vlc removed themselves from the apple store
[19:16] <zleap> ok
[19:16] <AlanBell> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/08/vlc-app-removed-from-app-store/
[19:17] <ali1234> well yes
[19:17] <AlanBell> bit more complicated than I stated
[19:17] <ali1234> if apple or microsoft says "you can't put GPL software in the app store"
[19:17] <ali1234> then the developer has a choice between relicencing or removing it from the app store
[19:19] <ali1234> intel's appup T&C are really bizarre
[19:19] <ali1234> they have standard stuff that makes it impossible to ship GPL software
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, imagine
[19:19] <ali1234> then a clause which completely contradicts all that and basically says "oh yeah btw you can put GPL software in here too"
[19:20] <ali1234> so basically their T&C is not internally inconsistent
[19:20] <ali1234> and it happened because someone pointed out that the T&C would prevent GPL, so they just slapped a band aid on it
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> because GPLs are teh evals!
[19:29] <funkyHat> Sounds like an exception rather than an inconsistency
[19:30] <Azelphur> funkyHat: the GPL says stuff that conflicts with the license, so if you allow one of them has to be nullified
[19:33] <ali1234> http://create.msdn.com/downloads/?id=638 see sections 1. L and 5. E
[20:59] <mattt> anyone buy any oreilly books today?
[21:05] <popey> ivanka: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/984088
[22:29] <AlanBell> night all
[22:29] <brobostigon> night AlanBell o/