[08:17]  * bambee is upgrading from natty to oneiric and then from oneiric to precise
[10:58] <Ezim> hi guys/girls. g-morning. when will kubuntu-backports have 4.8.3? if I am not wrong 12.04 users already have it.
[11:48] <chachan> hi guys, I would like to ask why do you consider to select gstreamer instead of another backend phonon-based?
[11:50] <Peace-> chachan: well you need to ask this monday 
[11:51] <chachan> Peace-: ok, I will :)
[13:39] <EagleScreen> hello JontheEchidna, are you there?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:24] <EagleScreen> hi
[14:26] <Ezim> BluesKaj, hi my friend.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> hey Ezim , EagleScreen 
[14:29] <EagleScreen> Muon says that transmission-qt is supported until October, 2013, is it a mistake? shouldn't it be until April, 2017? this is for 12.04
[14:30] <shadeslayer> EagleScreen: is it in universe?
[14:30] <Ezim> BluesKaj, is your system working now?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Ezim, wll yes , but I'm on 4.8.2 ... had to reinstall the OS to /
[14:31] <EagleScreen> shadeslayer: not it is in main
[14:31] <shadeslayer> oh ...
[14:31] <Ezim> BluesKaj, weird pointrelease messed up so much for you
[14:32] <Ezim> it can be som nvidia driver related problem more then kde specific. they have released new nvidia driver.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> quite sure it was the graphics driver, but it doesn't make sense to you guys , however the fact remains that neither nvidia-current nor nouveau would work
[14:33] <shadeslayer> whut
[14:33] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what happened?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, after upgrading to 4.8.3 , no X
[14:35] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:35] <BluesKaj> when rebooting
[14:36] <BluesKaj> not testing it again , I'll wait til it's ready
[14:37] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what did the logs say?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, nothing 
[14:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:24] <BluesKaj> gents , I'd like to use an extra internal hdd for testing , since my other pc mobo is kaput , any advice about how to install grub in that situation?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> Ezim, shadeslayer, EagleScreen ? ^
[15:26] <Ezim> BluesKaj, http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
[15:26] <Ezim> maybe something of good
[15:26] <Ezim> will take look if I find something easier
[15:29] <BluesKaj> yes Ezim, he talks about partitions on the smae drive , mostly , barely mentions 2 HDDs
[15:31] <BluesKaj> eer same drive
[15:32] <Ezim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2  should help
[15:33] <Ezim> look for grup-install and direct.
[15:34] <Ezim> sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdX
[15:36] <EagleScreen> BluesKaj: if you are going to install Linux distributions in that disk, they should detect the other OS and add them to its own grub, also you may to install them without grub installation and later add the entries manually to your old grub
[15:38] <Ezim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[15:45] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: iirc you install grub on the external HDD as well
[15:45] <BluesKaj> EagleScreen, yes I thought one grub install would be best , then access to both HDs and OSs is simpler, editiing grub.cfg shouldn't be too difficult with a little help
[15:45] <shadeslayer> and then you can set the USB disk as the first boot device
[15:46] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[15:46] <shadeslayer> it's a extra *internal* HDD
[15:46] <shadeslayer> I read that as external :/
[15:46] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what EagleScreen said
[15:46] <BluesKaj> not a USB , it's going to mounted inside the pc , shadeslayer
[15:46] <BluesKaj> already have one external sata drive for media
[15:46] <shadeslayer> should work without the need for installing GRUB on the other HDD
[15:48] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,right , so when the installer asks to install grub i just skip it 
[15:48] <shadeslayer> yup ( There's a checkbox for installing GRUB iirc )
[15:49] <shadeslayer> you'll need to boot into the older install and run sudo update-grub
[15:56] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, ok , probly gonna try the install later today, thanks
[16:30] <ScottK> nixternal or JontheEchidna: Do either of you have any interest in kde-style-skulpture in Debian?  It's just sitting there in experimental and it seems to me it either ought to get uploaded to Unstable or removed.
[16:44] <mgottschlag> hey, I am trying to build kde from source, and it wants libiobcd2 to be installed to build the soprano virtuoso backend (which is required by other parts of kde to compile without errors)
[16:44] <mgottschlag> now libiobcd2 cannot be installed and seems to conflict with the system kde installation
[16:44] <mgottschlag> I am using kde 4.8.3 from the PPA
[16:45] <mgottschlag> can anybody reproduce that, and if, what causes it and how can it be resolved?
[16:45] <mgottschlag> *libiodbc
[16:46] <mgottschlag> (what I am trying to fix: http://paste.kde.org/469880 - what happens when I install libiodbc2: http://paste.kde.org/469862/)
[16:47] <mgottschlag> (and I definately at least  spelled libiodbc2 right when I tried to install it -.-)
[17:28] <shadeslayer> mgottschlag: haha
[17:29] <shadeslayer> one sec
[17:29] <shadeslayer> you need unixodbc-dev and this patch http://paste.kde.org/469388/
[17:29] <shadeslayer> mgottschlag: ^
[17:30] <mgottschlag> thx, I'll try that
[17:54] <Ezim> have you guys change kubuntu backports ppa for 12.04?
[17:54] <ScottK> There aren't any backport for 12.04 yet.
[17:54] <ScottK> 4.8.3 should be in the updates PPA.
[17:54] <Ezim> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports and http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.3
[17:55] <Ezim> ScottK, mean if I wanted 4.8.3 for my 11.10. will ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports not get it?
[17:56] <ScottK> We don't package that.
[17:56] <ScottK> We'll do 4.8.3 for 12.04 and quantal.
[17:56] <Ezim> ScottK, weird becuase 4.8.2 was there.
[17:57] <ScottK> That was before 12.04 was released.
[17:57] <Ezim> :( so I will not get 4.8.3. going to cry. 
[17:57] <Ezim> :P
[17:57] <ScottK> The way to get it is upgrade to 12.04.
[17:58] <ScottK> There's only so many of us and we can only package for so many releases.
[17:59] <Ezim> ScottK, I understand. np. I will upgrade during my summer break.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> Ezim, maybe it's not such a bad thing , if your machine use nvidia graphics 
[18:31] <BluesKaj> uses
[18:34] <Ezim> BluesKaj, it uses.
[18:34] <Ezim> but I compile my own :P drivers
[18:41] <BluesKaj> Ezim, from git ?
[18:43] <Ezim> BluesKaj, not really.
[18:44] <BluesKaj> BBL, ...got some frozen apps here, damn kmail , I knew the relationship wouldn't last :)
[18:44] <Ezim> BluesKaj, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=7b0d67ea826bec4521de42f96216d5d1&t=122606
[18:47] <BluesKaj> interesting Ezim , but i prefer not to change drivers that already work well , but i
[18:47] <BluesKaj> it's good to know that it's available 
[18:48] <Ezim> BluesKaj, thats the reason I use my own
[18:48] <Ezim> not depending on x-swat or anyone else
[18:48] <Ezim> :)
[18:50] <BluesKaj> ..BBL