[00:42] <robotdevil> what the heck happened to my toolbar in dolphin
[00:43] <m4v> ctrl+m?
[00:44] <robotdevil> thanks
[00:45] <robotdevil> yeah suspend torrents is back :-)
[00:46] <robotdevil> man I wish they would make an option for not having to unmaximize a window that is maximized on another screen on an extended desktop
[00:47] <robotdevil> wish the move button could just move it like grabbing a title bar of a window can automatically minimize and move it
[01:35] <ox1de> i wanted to make a not for possible ubuntu/xubuntu upgrade... it would be rad if the media players had better visualizers
[01:42] <Linkmaster> When I tried to install 12.04 on my system, it told me I needed an EFI boot partition to boot properly, so I made one, but it gave me an error on how it couldn't install GRUB to /target/. so, I wiped it with GParted, created / swap and /home on GParted, and made a new system(installed fine), but it wouldn't boot(no OS found). Can I have some help setting up a proper partioning scheme that will allow me to boot?
[01:49] <pjn_oz> Linkmaster: when you boot from the DVD, have a close look at the options in your boot manager to get the DVD started. If you select the EFI option, it will try an EFI install, if you don't you will get a normal BIOS install. Had this problem on my laptop.
[01:49] <Linkmaster> pjn_oz: I'm installing from USB
[01:50] <pjn_oz> Linkmastr: I think you should still get both options? Not 100% sure about that. I didn't get EFI working on my system either, but there is some stuff on the Kubutu forum about it.
[01:51] <Linkmaster> I think the EFI problem is with the harddrive, not the BIOS, right..? Cause I thought all brand computers were the same
[01:54] <pjn_oz> Linkmaster: No, some have EFI booting but simulate BIOS at the moment, others are just BIOS. EFI is a totally different boot mechanism. I've not managed to get one working yet.
[01:55] <Linkmaster> pjn_oz: maybe my thumb-drive botched the installer? I do have some other files on it as well..it just killed the install again, saying 'exit code 1'
[01:56] <Linkmaster> hm..thats..bizarre to say the least
[01:59] <pjn_oz> Linkmaster: Could be something like that. Do you have a USB CD drive you could use?
[02:00] <Linkmaster> I do, but no CD's. so that puts me back at square one
[02:00] <Linkmaster> I cleared the drive, and am starting over
[02:00] <pjn_oz> :) Yep.. that's not easy.
[02:00] <Linkmaster> (I used a command line 'rm -rf *' to clean it
[02:01] <pjn_oz> What are you trying to install onto?
[02:01] <Linkmaster> a lenovo x120e
[02:01] <pjn_oz> OK. nice.
[02:01] <Linkmaster> I am currently using one right no(I'm at my boarding school, we all have the same computers)
[02:01] <Linkmaster> and I never had such EFI problems before
[02:02] <pjn_oz> No.. the EFI boot stuff is new to 12.04 I think. Have you had a look on the forum? There is a heap of stuff there about getting EFI working.
[02:03] <Linkmaster> let me take a look, its been awhile since I browsed the forum, I can't get used to the changes
[02:04] <pjn_oz> Look in the 12.04 beta area.
[02:04] <Linkmaster> will do
[02:09] <Linkmaster> pjn_oz: what further confuses me is, the 'startup interrupt menu' only gives the option for BIOS setup utility(along w/ selecting a temp startup device)
[02:10] <Linkmaster> This computer has UEFI..wow. I never thought I'd see them this early
[02:11] <pjn_oz> I think most laptops do now.
[02:12] <Linkmaster> I'm going to check mine to see
[02:12] <Linkmaster> I was appalled when I first learned of UEFI
[02:15] <pjn_oz> Linkmaster: Got to go.. good luck with it. Hope you get it sorted.
[02:27] <goddard> strigi has no been going for like 4 days straight
[02:27] <goddard> nepomuk
[02:29] <taxman> it's interesting. there are a bunch of buntus on distrowatch.com at days ago
[02:30] <taxman> s/are/were
[02:42] <_RegEx_> Hi all. I had Kubuntu 11.10 on a hard drive partition, but the upgrader placed 12.04 on my SSD which has now run out of space
[02:42] <_RegEx_> Any remedies and ways to prevent in the future?
[02:51] <taxman> what? your ssd is too small
[02:51] <taxman> 64gb at least i think
[02:53] <mangdood> Is it a bad idea to use lightdm with KDE?
[02:53] <taxman> login manager?
[02:53] <mangdood> It has so many dependencies that I'm hesitant to install it
[02:53] <taxman> no idea
[02:54] <taxman> i prefer to use a simple 'startx'
[02:56] <mangdood> I guess I still have a preference for GUIs (:
[03:32] <mcamaret> are there any qt email clients that can match gmail, postler, or geary in simplicity?
[03:37] <giantpune> hi, i simi broke my system and im looking for the easiest way to fix it.  i am the only user and i was trying to add myself to a group.  i messed something up, and now i am not in the sudo or admin group anymore.  so now i am basically locked in noob-mode
[03:37] <giantpune> how would one go about fixing this?
[04:01] <IdleOne> giantpune: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[04:02] <giantpune> i think im having to use a live cd though to get root access to be able to make any changes
[04:03] <IdleOne> might want to have a look at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo#repaircommands
[04:04] <giantpune> i need to have root access to be able to use any of those commands, though, dont i?
[04:04] <IdleOne> yes, the instructions on how are on that link
[04:04] <giantpune> adduser and sudo
[04:05] <giantpune> i tried that.  grub doesnt show up even if i hold shift
[04:05] <IdleOne> please read the info before blindly typing in commands :)
[04:05] <IdleOne> giantpune: press and hold the shift button soon as you power on/reboot the machine
[04:06] <giantpune> i already tried it several times
[04:06] <giantpune> it boots right into kubuntu without showing any grub screens
[04:14] <giantpune> woot.  liveCD to the rescue
[04:23] <SteveRiley> giantpune: what did ya do?
[04:33] <calcmandan> hi folks. my partner was running 11.10 on laptop. without consulting me, he updated to 12.04. told me that there was an error. after rebooting it wouldn't load all the way. that's all i know of what happened. so i have the laptop and it goes through loading everything, ails starting system 5 runlevel compatibility. then continues to load until the message appears: mountall:L disconnected from plymouth. i'd like to access the home directory but it's
[04:33] <calcmandan> encrypted and he lost the key. i'd lke to at least launch with a previous kernel so i can recover the files and install fresh. suggestions?
[04:33] <calcmandan> ails = fails
[04:34] <nine_> So 12.04  no Apple "I" products mount also the same in Ubuntu
[04:35] <SteveRiley> calcmandan: if the encryption key is truly gone, there's no way to recover the files.
[04:35] <calcmandan> SteveRiley: thanks. but is there a way to load a previos kernel?
[04:36] <SteveRiley> calcmandan: do you know whether a previous kernel is already installed?
[04:36] <calcmandan> SteveRiley: so that i can at least login as him and save some files?
[04:36] <calcmandan> SteveRiley: yeah he was running 11.10. did the update through the updater.
[04:37] <SteveRiley> i assume you're at the computer now. let's check which kernel you have. please type "uname -a" and paste the response
[04:37] <calcmandan> ok i need to get to some sort of recovery console to do that.
[04:37] <calcmandan> it just boots up
[04:38] <SteveRiley> and then let's see what else might be there. please type "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" and paste the response
[04:38] <calcmandan> is there a key combination i press to get to a console? it halts during bootup.
[04:39] <calcmandan> or should i load the machine on a live disc?
[04:39] <calcmandan> ik'm on my desktop at the moment, with the laptop next to me
[04:39] <calcmandan> i suppose that's what you mean. will load now on a live disc.
[04:39] <SteveRiley> depending on how borked the machine is, you might be able to get to the recovery mode that's already there.
[04:40] <calcmandan> that's what i'd like to know how to do
[04:40] <SteveRiley> boot the computer, and just as GRUB is loading, press [Esc]
[04:40] <SteveRiley> you should see a menu
[04:40] <calcmandan> ok
[04:41] <calcmandan> it won't let me go to a menu, goes straight from bios to the purple tinted loading screen. not even a kernel selector like on my machine
[04:41] <calcmandan> i'll load a live disc
[04:41] <SteveRiley> ok
[04:42] <calcmandan> it'll be a minute.
[04:42] <calcmandan> by the way, i appreciate the help bro
[04:42] <SteveRiley> what do you want to do after you boot the live CD?
[04:42] <SteveRiley> sure thing.
[04:42] <calcmandan> well i'd like to see if there's a way i can instruct grub on the hdd to pick a previous kernel so i can reboot and at least save pictures and documents before wiping the drive.
[04:43] <calcmandan> and installing 12.04 fresh
[04:43] <SteveRiley> ah, ok. do you know how to operate in a chroot environment?
[04:43] <calcmandan> i have in the past, but it's been so long that i'm a noob again.
[04:44] <calcmandan> everything's been working fluidly for ~5 years now. this is the first issue i've encountered on any of my home machines. all on kubuntu since forever.
[04:44] <calcmandan> got konsole loaded and ready
[04:44] <SteveRiley> okie.
[04:44] <SteveRiley> one sec. i always like to verify the steps myself.
[04:44] <calcmandan> i'm patient.
[04:45] <nine_> is it possible to adjust how a system see's a mount or just have to wait till is is ironed out?
[04:48] <SteveRiley> alright. what partition is your system on?
[04:49] <calcmandan> i believe it's on the main. sda1
[04:49] <SteveRiley> and is /boot also on /dev/sda1, or is it on a separate partition?
[04:49] <calcmandan> looks like it's on sda1
[04:50] <SteveRiley> ok. follow along...
[04:50] <SteveRiley> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[04:50] <calcmandan> it's already mounted in media
[04:50] <SteveRiley> oh, alright
[04:50] <calcmandan> i was browsing it in dolphin
[04:50] <SteveRiley> then let's continue
[04:50] <SteveRiley> wait...
[04:51] <SteveRiley> can you see the files you need?
[04:51] <SteveRiley> or are they still encrypted?
[04:51] <calcmandan> no the home director yis encrtypted.
[04:51] <calcmandan> yes
[04:51] <SteveRiley> damn.
[04:51] <SteveRiley> oh, oops... family forum :)
[04:51] <calcmandan> no worries
[04:51] <calcmandan> if it can be said on tv, it's okay.
[04:51] <SteveRiley> haha
[04:51] <SteveRiley> but you said the encryption key is lost?
[04:52] <calcmandan> yeah, the other day i attempted to recover the files by mounting the volume and it asked for the key.
[04:52] <calcmandan> he installed it 4 years ago and it's been encrypted since. this is the first update issue ever encoutnered.
[04:52] <SteveRiley> ok.
[04:52] <SteveRiley> let's continue
[04:52] <calcmandan> i just need grub to point to an earlier kernel so i can boot into it and hopefully backup the files.
[04:53] <SteveRiley> sudo mount --bind /dev /media/dev
[04:53] <SteveRiley> sud mount --bind /proc /media/proc
[04:53] <SteveRiley> oops
[04:53] <SteveRiley> sudo mount --bind /proc /media/proc
[04:53] <SteveRiley> sudo mount --bind /sys /media/sys
[04:54] <calcmandan> so we're binding the live disc's proc with the hdd's proc?
[04:54] <calcmandan> and dev?
[04:54] <SteveRiley> sudo mount --bind /usr/ /mount/usr
[04:54] <SteveRiley> yes, this is so that chroot works properly to update the grub on /dev/sda
[04:55] <calcmandan> so basically:
[04:55] <SteveRiley> (i'm following a guide i've used a few times before)
[04:55] <calcmandan> sudo mount --bind /dev /media/f6d35e79-7068-42ea-b8a1-c61c49f772ea/dev
[04:56] <SteveRiley> actually, unmount /dev/sda1 from /media
[04:56] <calcmandan> sudo mount --bind /proc /media/f6d35e79-7068-42ea-b8a1-c61c49f772ea/proc
[04:56] <calcmandan> ok
[04:56] <SteveRiley> let's go back to the konsole
[04:56] <SteveRiley> type the commands i gave before (starting with the first mount)
[04:56] <SteveRiley> and use /mnt rather than /media in all cases
[04:57] <calcmandan> ok will do, one sec
[04:57] <SteveRiley> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[04:57] <SteveRiley> and following
[04:57] <calcmandan> ok it's as you suggest
[04:57] <calcmandan> i'm going to do all the steps now. wait one
[04:57] <SteveRiley> okie
[04:58] <calcmandan> ok, bound dev, proc, sys, usr
[04:59] <SteveRiley> alrighty, then here we go!
[04:59] <SteveRiley> sudo chroot /mnt
[04:59] <calcmandan> mkay
[04:59] <SteveRiley> uname -a
[05:00] <calcmandan> linux kubuntu 3.2.0-23-generic-pae #36-ubuntu smp then dates...
[05:00] <SteveRiley> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[05:00] <calcmandan> ok
[05:01] <calcmandan> want me to show output?
[05:01] <SteveRiley> (looking for other installed kernels)
[05:01] <SteveRiley> yes, please.
[05:01] <calcmandan> let me get on wifi on that machine and join channel from that machine.
[05:01] <SteveRiley> oh, alright.
[05:02] <calcmandan-lapto> hi
[05:02] <SteveRiley> hi hi
[05:04] <calcmandan-lapto> ii  linux-image-3.0.0-12-generic             3.0.0-12.20                             Linux kernel image for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[05:04] <calcmandan-lapto> ii  linux-image-3.0.0-13-generic             3.0.0-13.22                             Linux kernel image for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[05:04] <calcmandan-lapto> ii  linux-image-3.0.0-14-generic             3.0.0-14.23                             Linux kernel image for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[05:04] <calcmandan-lapto> ii  linux-image-3.0.0-15-generic             3.0.0-15.26                             Linux kernel image for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[05:04] <calcmandan-lapto> ii  linux-image-3.0.0-16-generic             3.0.0-16.29                             Linux kernel image for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[05:04] <FloodBotK1> calcmandan-lapto: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:04] <calcmandan-lapto> ii  linux-image-3.0.0-17-generic             3.0.0-17.30                             Linux kernel image for version 3.0.0 on x86/x86_64
[05:04] <SteveRiley> oh, you have lots of kernels, kewl
[05:04] <calcmandan> woops sorry
[05:04] <calcmandan> yeah
[05:04] <SteveRiley> ah, what?
[05:05] <calcmandan> flood warning
[05:05] <calcmandan> had to grab a mouse, the stupid trackpad was annoying me
[05:05] <SteveRiley> oh, haha
[05:05] <calcmandan> i prefer to middle click content from console
[05:05] <SteveRiley> alright. let's edit the grub configuration so that it shows you the menu by default.
[05:05] <SteveRiley> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[05:06] <SteveRiley> actually, you can omit the sudo now
[05:06] <SteveRiley> since we're running as root
[05:06] <SteveRiley> (habit, lol)
[05:06] <calcmandan> okok i'm in there.
[05:06] <calcmandan> umm god i'ts been a while.
[05:06] <SteveRiley> place a # in front of the lines that begin with:
[05:06] <SteveRiley> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT
[05:07] <calcmandan> yeah...
[05:07] <calcmandan> see it.
[05:07] <SteveRiley> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET
[05:07] <SteveRiley> and
[05:07] <calcmandan> how about grub_hidden_timeout_quiet
[05:07] <SteveRiley> GRUB_TIMEOUT
[05:07] <calcmandan> it's set to 10
[05:07] <SteveRiley> those three
[05:07] <SteveRiley> yes, it's fine
[05:07] <calcmandan> so comment out all three
[05:07] <SteveRiley> just put a # in front of each of these lines
[05:07] <calcmandan> roger
[05:07] <calcmandan> done.
[05:08] <SteveRiley> press ctrl+x
[05:08] <snowrichard> hi
[05:08] <SteveRiley> and save
[05:08] <calcmandan> ok done
[05:08] <SteveRiley> now
[05:08] <SteveRiley> update-grub
[05:08] <snowrichard> just installed Kubuntu 64 bit in an Ubuntu virtualbox and it running like bat out hell.................. very speedy.:)
[05:09] <snowrichard> great work guys
[05:09] <calcmandan> let me pastebin is
[05:09] <nine_> snowrichard:  both are nice
[05:09] <SteveRiley> snowrichard: good to hear!
[05:09] <fire> my kubuntu 12.04 won't boot after install it to a external usb drive....
[05:09] <nine_> Ubuntu and Kubuntru
[05:09] <fire> please someone...
[05:09] <SteveRiley> calcmandan: use http://paste.kde.org
[05:09] <nine_> Fire, I have a few in compatable computers
[05:10] <calcmandan-lapto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/968400/
[05:10] <SteveRiley> ok, that is a correct output
[05:10] <fire> what you mean nine_??
[05:10] <nine_> Fire, cd or usb install?
[05:10] <SteveRiley> (i didn't know ubuntu had a paste)
[05:10] <snowrichard> I'm installing QT SDK
[05:10] <fire> dvd install
[05:10] <SteveRiley> now let's exit chroot with ctrl+d
[05:10] <snowrichard> my new internet is bursting to 1 Megabyte / Sec on my Verizon 4G LTE Mifi network
[05:10] <calcmandan> ok exited
[05:10] <SteveRiley> then unmount the file systems:
[05:11] <nine_> I mean ur computer may not be able to run 12.04...  did u try it live?
[05:11] <SteveRiley> sudo umount /mnt/dev
[05:11] <SteveRiley> sudo umount /dev/proc
[05:11] <SteveRiley> sudo umount /dev/sys
[05:11] <snowrichard> device was free with 2yr contract
[05:11] <SteveRiley> sudo umount /mnt/sur
[05:11] <snowrichard> i got 10 GB /month for $80
[05:11] <SteveRiley> sudo umount /mnt
[05:11] <fire> I'm boot in right now on live dvd and it work fine...
[05:12] <fire> after finishing my install it just won't boot ...
[05:12] <nine_> hmm..
[05:12] <nine_> what does it do?
[05:12] <SteveRiley> after you finish unmounting, reboot:
[05:12] <calcmandan> usr, dev, proc, then mnt?
[05:12] <SteveRiley> sudo reboot
[05:12] <nine_> can it make it to log on screen?
[05:12] <fire> nothing...  after the bios screen it waits....
[05:12] <calcmandan> forgot sys
[05:12] <SteveRiley> dev, proc, sys, usr, mnt
[05:13] <nine_> did u try full install?
[05:13] <calcmandan> great, rebooting
[05:13] <fire> I'm use to old grub but not this one...  I maybe suspect that grub won't work
[05:13] <nine_> I know they were having trouble with the installer
[05:13] <SteveRiley> i am curious about something, as i've never actually used the home encryption feature myself (too dangerous from my POV, for the reason you're experiencing now)
[05:13] <SteveRiley> ...
[05:14] <fire> do you mean no partitionning the drive???
[05:14] <SteveRiley> how will reverting to an earlier kernel help you decrypt the files?
[05:14] <nine_> yea
[05:14] <nine_> the installer has issues
[05:14] <SteveRiley> when the computer boots,
[05:14] <fire> ok so waht should I do???
[05:14] <calcmandan> because it'll boot as normal and allow me to login. new kernel was halting at one point.
[05:14] <SteveRiley> in the grub menu, choose "previous ubuntu versions" (or some language to that effect)
[05:14] <calcmandan> older kernel can load the home directory since it has the key.
[05:14] <nine_> did u choose full install?
[05:14] <nine_> last time?
[05:14] <calcmandan> i have recovery mode available.
[05:14] <fire> not yet, do I have to???
[05:15] <calcmandan> should i try that?
[05:15] <nine_> now yes
[05:15] <nine_>  u will
[05:15] <calcmandan> 3.0.0-17-generic (recovery mode)
[05:15] <SteveRiley> calcmandan: recovery mode on first screen, with kernel 3.2?
[05:15] <nine_> anything that was on there can be taken off before
[05:15] <fire> ok I will and left on the channel, the laptop is just beside of me...
[05:15] <SteveRiley> oh, you went to second screen?
[05:15] <nine_> but if there is nothing important on that hdd
[05:15] <nine_> try again
[05:15] <calcmandan> not yet.
[05:15] <nine_> with a full install
[05:15] <calcmandan> i'm at previous linux versions right now.
[05:16] <nine_> if no boot is working than thats ur choice
[05:16] <fire> full install on my usb drive???
[05:16] <calcmandan> 3.0.0-16-generic is the most recent.
[05:16] <nine_> but if u have a doul boot
[05:16] <nine_> then u may not be able to run it
[05:16] <calcmandan> on the second screen, that is.
[05:16] <fire> yes I have..
[05:16] <calcmandan> trying to boot it now we'll see
[05:16] <nine_> ohh
[05:16] <nine_> doul boot?\
[05:16] <SteveRiley> you beat me to it :)
[05:16] <calcmandan> failed. dammit
[05:17] <SteveRiley> what happened to 3.2?
[05:17] <fire> not doul but dual.. :-)
[05:17] <calcmandan> stopping system V runlevel compatibility
[05:17] <nine_> lol
[05:17] <calcmandan> going to try recovery mode. see what happens
[05:17] <SteveRiley> ok
[05:17] <nine_> my dual boots failed every time in the 12.04
[05:17] <calcmandan> got the recovery menu, enver seen this before
[05:17] <nine_> right not its all or nothing
[05:18] <calcmandan> i have 'repair broken packages' for dpkg
[05:18] <nine_> the installer isn\'t working correctly
[05:18] <SteveRiley> choose "continue"
[05:18] <calcmandan> it's moving forward mounting the filesystem in fstab
[05:18] <SteveRiley> cool cool
[05:19] <calcmandan> /dev/sda1
[05:19] <fire> install just started....
[05:20] <SteveRiley> are the mounts still, ah, mounting?
[05:20] <calcmandan> /dev/sda1: clean, 3061221/7266301 files, 6091808/29045504 blocks {   70.865892] ext4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. opts: errors=remount-ro
[05:20] <nine_> what was installed before?
[05:20] <SteveRiley> that looks normal
[05:20] <calcmandan> it does, but i have a blinking cursor now
[05:20] <SteveRiley> hit enter
[05:20] <calcmandan> and ls doesn't yield anything
[05:20] <calcmandan> just newlines it.
[05:20] <fire> nothing brand new disk, but I tried to install kubuntu 3 times...
[05:20] <SteveRiley> switch to another tty?
[05:20] <nine_> *SteveRyely Rocks* :)
[05:21] <calcmandan> justblinks
[05:21] <SteveRiley> nine_: i roll, too :)
[05:21] <calcmandan> ctrl-alt f2, f3, ... right?
[05:21] <SteveRiley> yup
[05:22] <calcmandan> ok tty7 gives me some. console-setup start/running, process 316 is the last line
[05:22] <SteveRiley> ...think think...
[05:23] <calcmandan> should i reboot and try again? it seems to be in no certain mode to accept commands from me. it'll let me switch tty as far as i know, but no console is available.
[05:24] <calcmandan> i hit ctrl-c
[05:24] <SteveRiley> yes, but this time don't choose recovery, chose regular
[05:24] <calcmandan> and it continued loading.
[05:24] <SteveRiley> oh really
[05:24] <calcmandan> but halted in the same place.
[05:24] <calcmandan> so i basically ended the recovery console
[05:24] <SteveRiley> waaah
[05:24] <calcmandan> and it continued booting
[05:24] <calcmandan> going back to recovery mode.
[05:24] <SteveRiley> ok
[05:25] <SteveRiley> you'll have to remind me.
[05:25] <SteveRiley> what are the other options there?
[05:25] <calcmandan> resume, clean, dpkg, failsafex, fsck, grub, network, root, and...
[05:26] <calcmandan> it's rebooting again.
[05:26] <calcmandan> system-summary
[05:26] <licensed> anybody made a .deb package for amsn?
[05:26] <SteveRiley> when (if?) we get this fixed... don't encrypt when you rebuild!
[05:26] <calcmandan> i didn't. lol, but i never would.
[05:26] <calcmandan> i like having access to my files in a crunch
[05:27] <calcmandan> my partner did the install.
[05:27] <SteveRiley> "crunch"... that would be right now :)
[05:27] <calcmandan> i've resisted the whole thing. i'm just not that paranoid.
[05:27] <calcmandan> yes it would. lol
[05:27] <nine_> .deb? amsn works ok in Kubuntu
[05:27] <calcmandan> that's the thing, i'm so mad at him for encrypting it and not writing down the key.
[05:27] <calcmandan> i oculd've had this recsolved a few days ago
[05:28] <SteveRiley> let me check something about key recovery, one sec.
[05:28] <calcmandan> alright
[05:28] <SteveRiley> you might as well try the fix broken package choice
[05:29] <SteveRiley> i presume the encryption you were using was the option to encrypt /home, the one that appears when you're installing *buntu?
[05:29] <calcmandan> i did, and it gave me what appeared to be a normal mounting message then that's all i saw
[05:29] <calcmandan> i believe so. he did it a long time ago and i wasn't rpesent.
[05:29] <calcmandan> but that's the onnly thing he would've done since he just hits next for everything.
[05:31] <SteveRiley> a possibly unanswerable question: do you have, perhaps, the mount passphrase written down?
[05:31] <calcmandan> nope.
[05:31] <calcmandan> if i did, this wouldn't be an issue
[05:31] <SteveRiley> ..........................
[05:32] <calcmandan> tell me about it.
[05:32] <calcmandan> ...................
[05:33] <SteveRiley> uh... do you log into your computer with a password, or does it auto-login and you don't know the password?
[05:33] <calcmandan> he required a password to login
[05:33] <SteveRiley> *whew*
[05:33] <SteveRiley> so there is a way to do this.
[05:33] <calcmandan> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1124158/20120504_223053.jpg
[05:33] <SteveRiley> it's multiple steps
[05:34] <SteveRiley> do that!
[05:34] <calcmandan> i'm ready.
[05:34] <SteveRiley> do that: root shell
[05:34] <calcmandan> there
[05:34] <SteveRiley> got a #
[05:34] <SteveRiley> ?
[05:34] <calcmandan> yes
[05:34] <licensed> nine_, what deb?
[05:35] <SteveRiley> sudo mount -o rw,remount /
[05:35] <licensed> i'm using kubuntu 12.04
[05:35] <calcmandan> ok
[05:35] <SteveRiley> sudo mount
[05:35] <SteveRiley> put the output of that into another paste, please
[05:35] <calcmandan> one minute.
[05:36] <nine_> licenced:  I didn't get ur question...  .deb for debian??  or for Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[05:36] <licensed> nine_, i can't found amsn.deb to use on kubuntu 12.04.. can you show me?
[05:38] <calcmandan> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1124158/20120504_223707.jpg
[05:38] <SteveRiley> is /home also on /dev/sda1 ?
[05:38] <calcmandan> yes
[05:39] <calcmandan> it was all installed with default settings.
[05:39] <SteveRiley> in the following command, substitute your login username for where i type "username"
[05:39] <calcmandan> k
[05:39] <SteveRiley> ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/username/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[05:39] <nine_> licenced, its not available yet..  same as most apple product mount
[05:40] <calcmandan> let me get the password, brb
[05:41] <calcmandan> so the output is the key?
[05:41] <fire> reboot time, cross fingers and toes...
[05:41] <SteveRiley> the output is your mount passphrase
[05:41] <nine_> licenced, I like the kopte better anyways...  amsn has gone way done hill
[05:41] <licensed> nine_, my logs it's all on amsn
[05:41] <calcmandan> i'm better now
[05:42] <nine_> licenced, U can't remember ur log?
[05:42] <nine_> \emmesen is a great alternitive
[05:42] <fire> shit...  same behavior nine_
[05:44] <nine_> fire  ugh...  it may be a compatability issue, or a bad dvd, or a currupt burn
[05:44] <fire> it's a good dvd...
[05:45] <fire> with this laptop I'm able to boot on a usb drive with old distro opensuse 11.2...
[05:45] <nine_> yea..  u sadly may need to wait till 12.10
[05:46] <fire> no no no out of bound...
[05:46] <licensed> anyone had compilled amsn on kubuntu 12.04?
[05:46] <fire> we have to find another solution, other people succeeded with ubuntu...
[05:46] <nine_> i'd personally install kubuntu 11.10, no updrade, get the ppa for kde 4.8  and wait it out...  u will sttill get most the bennifits of kde 4.8
[05:47] <nine_> what laptop if I may ask?
[05:47] <fire> Toshiba Tecra S10
[05:47] <nine_> hmm
[05:48] <nine_> and ubuntu used a slightly different iso
[05:48] <nine_> they are not the same
[05:48] <fire> unity is not for me....
[05:49] <fire> so what's the deal??? try ubuntu and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop????
[05:50] <nine_> fire, put it to u this way...  my hp 4000 will run Ubuntu 12.04 live, freezes at any attempt to install...  Kubuntu beta 2 12.04 installs great, but like uUbuntu 12.04, the final release won't install in that laptop
[05:51] <nine_> kubuntu dekstop will not run on Ubuntu at this time
[05:51] <nine_> I have tried
[05:51] <fire> for me Kubuntu 12.04 LTS the installer wok well, it just show up GRUB...
[05:51] <nine_> and vice verce
[05:51] <fire> it not show grub...
[05:52] <fire> there's any program than I can run to repair the grub????
[05:53] <nine_>  120.04 is a new shell...  there is not much out yet...    sadly  my advice is the weaiting game
[05:53] <nine_> 12.04
[05:53] <fire> I can't wait...  I've to make it work before monday...
[05:54] <nine_> lol
[05:54] <nine_> than install linus mint 12 kde and add ppa for kde 4.8
[05:54] <nine_> it will work on that lap top
[05:54] <nine_> linux
[05:55]  * almoxarife uses mint-12-kde with kde4.8, works great
[05:55] <nine_> me too on my incompatable computers
[05:55] <nine_> :)
[06:09] <nine_> almoxarife, some ppl don't like the truth i guess  :)
[06:52] <fire> I've try install from text mode, after a whille a got grub rescue...  what can I do???
[06:54] <nine_> grrr I am telling u...  it is the way it is..   go back to 11.10, ppa 4.8 and deal with ti till next distro arrives
[06:54] <nine_> ur computer isn\t compatable with 12.04
[06:56] <fire> kubuntu 11.10 or ubuntu???
[06:56] <nine_> either
[06:56] <nine_> or mint 12
[06:57] <nine_> mint 12 is 11.10 shell
[06:57] <fire> I try mint 12 kde, I'll let you know soon...
[06:57] <nine_> and u can install the kde verstio of mint12
[06:58] <nine_> then add ppa kde 4.8
[06:58] <nine_> works better than 12.04 at the moment
[07:03] <fire> ok but I want LTS anyway...
[07:04] <nine_> linus mint 13 will come out
[07:04] <nine_> but it may return the same results
[07:05] <nine_> I also want all my computers and customers to usxe 12.04 lrts
[07:05] <nine_> lts
[07:05] <nine_>  but if  u have apple products
[07:05] <nine_> not reccomenndedd
[07:06] <nine_> if ur computer is olers
[07:06] <nine_> might not wotrk till 12.10
[07:06] <nine_> linux leaves no gerintees
[07:07] <nine_> options are to back date to last known wortking distro
[07:07] <nine_> install that
[07:07] <nine_> and wait till nest distro
[07:11] <orated> Hello! When the KMenu is selected, which command is executed?
[07:13] <fire> install of mint 12 kde is in progress
[07:15] <Joit> hi. can someone tell me if there is a difference from stability between 32bit or 64bit version, or does any vers have more advantage?
[07:16] <orated> I've noticed that Alt+F1  on fresh install or on a new user opens the KMenu(Kickoff Application Launcher) but whenever any default/empty panel is added that shortcut stops working. So what command or how can I re-enable Alt+F1 shortcut to open KMenu?
[07:16] <nine_> i hope it works Fire
[07:16] <nine_> :)
[07:17] <nine_> Joit, 32 is more stable ion one sence
[07:17] <fire> btw nine_, I've many laptop, and all of them have linux.
[07:17] <Joit> thanx nine
[07:18] <fire> now can you tell me why after upgrading one from kubuntu 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS x session can't start??  it says, X session unable to start, back to default...
[07:18] <nine_> 64 has apps that don't always work the same as 32
[07:18] <fire> after that the only thing I got is a mouse with right-click and can change only the background...
[07:18] <nine_> both are just as stable
[07:18] <nine_> but more works in 32
[07:18] <orated> Joit: 32bit version or 64 bit version are for instruction set specific installation images. Every 64bit installation image is back compatible on 32-bit instrcution set supporting processor
[07:19] <Joit> i have heared about that, its soemthing what since the bginning appears nine
[07:19] <nine_> fire
[07:19] <nine_> ur still having issues?
[07:19] <fire> yes with another laptop, mint is installing on my Toshiba right now...
[07:20] <nine_> fire I alspo have manyt computers...  12.04 is both great, and dissappointing
[07:21] <nine_> faster yes, beres, more compatable...  no, ytte
[07:21] <fire> ok but now I've to repair this x session on my HP Portege....
[07:25] <fire> oh boy, mint installer crashed....
[07:25] <nine_> ugh
[07:25] <nine_> hdd/
[07:25] <nine_> dim/\
[07:25] <fire> on usb drive...
[07:26] <nine_> ur computer toshiba may have an issues
[07:26] <nine_> mint 12 is uuntu 10.04 shell
[07:27] <fire> super!!!  with the worse distro, opensuse, works very fine!!!!
[07:27] <nine_> lol
[07:27] <fire> I'm not joking...
[07:27] <nine_> thats microsoft
[07:28] <nine_> idk
[07:28] <fire> please don't swear...
[07:28] <nine_> lol
[07:29] <fire> when I went to Redmon, I pee on the Mofotcriss signon main road, and I was proud to be!
[07:29] <nine_> lol
[07:29] <nine_> m$ biggest issue is the users
[07:30] <nine_> it is more open than all distros
[07:30] <fire> so I've to make my Toshiba runs good with Linux...
[07:30] <nine_> in cludiung viruses
[07:30] <fire> I've try to reinstall Mint...
[07:30] <nine_> like i said
[07:30] <nine_> try different dims
[07:30] <nine_> new hdd
[07:30] <fire> dims????
[07:30] <nine_> might be a mother board
[07:31] <nine_> ram
[07:31] <fire> it nver crashed before with opensuse...  come on...
[07:31] <nine_> opensuse is owned by microsost
[07:31] <nine_> microsoft
[07:32] <nine_> it os an open source yes
[07:32] <fire> don't swear I said...
[07:32] <nine_> but it isn'\t completely linux
[07:32] <tsimpson> that's simply untrue
[07:32] <nine_> lol
[07:33] <tsimpson> "Open" in the name is the clue there
[07:33] <nine_> is that why linux communuty hates Novell?
[07:33] <nine_> open
[07:34] <nine_> windows 8 is more open
[07:34] <fire> anyway, other people I know runs ubuntu 12.04 and works fine or their Toshiba....
[07:34] <nine_> same toshiba?
[07:34] <nine_> i have many hp\s
[07:34] <nine_> not all run 12.04
[07:34] <fire> not exactly, they have a Tecra S11 and mine is Tecra S10
[07:35] <nine_> see
[07:35] <fire> some have ubuntu and other have kubuntu
[07:35] <nine_>  same iso in the scheme of things
[07:36] <fire> another one he have HP but I don't know wich model...
[07:36] <nine_> 12.04 takes time
[07:36] <nine_> and new distro's no nmatter how new are not completely compatable
[07:37] <nine_> and all linux is free open source, it simply can not keep up with everything
[07:38] <Joit> i would prefer anyway more a sober system, as one with a lot tools and toys, where most mess up
[07:39] <Joit> but imaging it and 'MAke it#  are allweays 2 different things
[07:39] <fire> crashed at the same place...  I've to write ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[07:40] <Joit> but anyhow, i fell like, it actually is of the track what a PC could do and what most OS do
[07:41] <nine_> :)
[07:41] <nine_> sorry
[07:41] <fire> so what should I do next???
[07:41] <nine_> in tough love mode tonight
[07:41] <nine_> same crash in mint 12?
[07:42] <nine_> 1 thing
[07:42] <fire> yes
[07:42] <nine_> try souce again
[07:43] <fire> try what???
[07:43] <nine_> if it crashes too its ur computer
[07:43] <nine_> open souce
[07:43] <tsimpson> seriously, nine_, your advice is not so good
[07:43] <nine_> the one thar worked last
[07:43] <tsimpson> if the installer crashed, then it's a problem with software
[07:43] <nine_> yea?
[07:43] <tsimpson> if it was hardware, it'd manifest differently
[07:44] <nine_> all distros run fine live?
[07:44] <tsimpson> in what sense?
[07:44] <nine_> look at it
[07:44] <fire> yes
[07:44] <Joit> tsimpson: why do you complain instead just give a better solution afterwards?
[07:44] <nine_> all distros run fune live\don't injstall
[07:44] <tsimpson> Joit: simply because I'm not an expert in debugging the installer
[07:45] <airzonk> guys, is there any way to install kubuntu from a SD card in an android phone? the SD card is blank. I cannot run windows apps right now, other than firefox [00:41] == migerh [~migerh@dslb-088-064-224-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit]
[07:45] <tsimpson> so, other distros work, just not the installer...
[07:45] <Joit> ah. so you know that nines sugeestions are not so good?
[07:45] <tsimpson> so it is a problem in software, our software
[07:45] <tsimpson> Joit: because I do
[07:45] <nine_> how many installers does he need to try?
[07:45] <nine_> his computer is messed
[07:45] <tsimpson> there are 2 main installers, the GUI installer and the alternate (text-mode) installer
[07:45] <tsimpson> try both
[07:45] <nine_> he has
[07:45] <tsimpson> then it's a bug
[07:46] <tsimpson> if other systems run on the same hardware, it's hardly likely a hardware issue
[07:46] <Joit> i got few times a problem with installing 10.4m could be my CD rom or my CD or even the Memory, it crashed too at the same plce
[07:46] <nine_> his las known working linus was open suse 10 somwethinb
[07:46] <nine_> gsomethiong
[07:47] <Joit> tsimpson: so mostly it IS the hardware
[07:47] <nine_> maybe ur dvd/cd drive is pooched
[07:47] <tsimpson> Joit: no, it's the software. when hardware breaks it's not subtle
[07:47] <tsimpson> nine_: then the system wouldn't boot into the live system, so that's not likely either
[07:47] <Joit> tsimpson: i bruned it at last with a different cdrom drive, and the Error appeared at an other place, so?
[07:47] <fire> for now, I'll try ubuntu 10.04 and install it for test
[07:47] <Joit> burned+
[07:48] <tsimpson> Joit: you should check the md5 sum on the ISO you downloaded, then compare it to the CD/DVD you burned
[07:48] <nine_> idk then,,..   i was ralking to fire, and his system booted live but install failed
[07:48] <Joit> tsimpson: i did that, the chcksum was ok
[07:48] <Joit> but clearly a hardware fault, not software
[07:48] <nine_> in 3 different distros
[07:49] <nine_> maybe 2
[07:49] <nine_>  but different shellls
[07:49] <tsimpson> are they all recent distros?
[07:49] <nine_> mint 12
[07:49] <nine_> and kubuntu 12.04
[07:49] <nine_> mint 12
[07:49] <nine_>  is ubuntu 11.04
[07:49] <tsimpson> recent distros will ship similar kernels, so that's a place to start
[07:49] <Joit> tsimpson: i thought too it was the software, was pretty sure about it, but not 100% at all
[07:50] <Joit> and simple a bad memory stick can cause a problem at a certain point, when its overloaded
[07:50] <nine_> thats why i told him to re insrall the last distr o that worked to see if it worked of if it was hardeware
[07:51] <Joit> may it helps when he clean his cdrom drive a bit :P
[07:51] <nine_> hich was open suse 10 something
[07:52] <tsimpson> other than running memtest86+, there isn't really a way to test for hardware faults
[07:52] <tsimpson> but hardware faults tend to be a little more random than what was described
[07:52] <nine_> yea
[07:53] <nine_> thats why I think his toshiba is pooched in some way
[07:53] <nine_> ram
[07:53] <nine_> hdd
[07:53] <nine_> mother board
[07:53] <nine_> idk
[07:53] <FloodBotK1> nine_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:53] <fire> just to clear something, I"m using a brand new usb drive Seagate STAX500 and the kubuntu 12.04 installer woks with no problem, it just the os won't start...  I suspect a grub problem..
[07:54] <tsimpson> are you sure the system boots from USB?
[07:54] <nine_> good luch
[07:54] <tsimpson> some don't, even though they support USB drives
[07:54] <nine_> k
[07:54] <nine_> guess i am flooding
[07:55] <nine_> mY THE FORTH B WITGH U Lways
[07:55] <fire> mine support it, because I run opensuse 11.2 all the time...
[07:55] <fire> I just want to put a REAL Linux...
[07:57] <tsimpson> ok, did you make sure grub was installed to the USB drive rather than the HDD?
[07:59] <fire> I'm not familiar with this version of grub, so, after install, i reboot live DVD and go to /boot/grub....
[07:59] <fire> and yes I'm sure, because I tell the installer do not play with /dev/sda, only /dev/sdb
[08:01] <tsimpson> it's possible that grub would need to be installed on the actual partition, so /dev/sdb1 rather than just /dev/sdb
[08:01] <fire> I tried both...
[08:01] <tsimpson> I haven't played with a USB install in a long time, and I'm just looking at some rather old documentation
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:04] <fire> now I'm installing ubuntu 10.04 LTS...  if it works, maybe try an upgrade????
[08:05] <lordievader> fire: Did an install of 12.04 fail?
[08:06] <fire> install works but after that, the laptop unable to boot on the sdb....
[08:06] <lordievader> fire: Ah yeah that ain
[08:06] <lordievader> 't good
[08:07] <fire> ???
[08:11] <robotdevil> does quassel leak in 12.04?
[08:16] <fire> samething happen with ubuntu 10.04, grub rescue>
[08:16] <fire> error: no such device: b6b687-c-c8c0-439b-9e84-23452b5c5cee
[08:19] <lordievader> fire: Do you know if that uuid is correct?
[08:20] <fire> i don't know where it is in this new grub version...
[08:20] <fire> ok I'll boot live and check...
[08:28] <fire_> i just don't remember where I'll find the uuid???
[08:32] <tsimpson> fire: "blkid -c /dev/null" should show them
[08:33] <fire> ok i got it, and it's the same UUID....
[08:37] <lordievader> fire Hmm so that ain't it...
[08:41] <lordievader> fire Did you check the GRUB 2 Troubleshooting stuff on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Command_Line_and_Rescue_Mode
[08:42] <Joit> i did now install 64bit version and no problems so far, now dling 32bit and installl this instead 64
[08:43] <Joit> pc is amd nforce4
[08:43] <Joit> 1 mb ram
[08:44] <Joit> nothing to complain about damaged softwre
[08:44] <lordievader> Joit: That's good, but why go through the trouble of reinstalling the OS when this runs fine?
[08:45] <Joit> its a empty pc, so it no trouble, but i prefer 32bit when its more compatible
[08:45] <Joit> i only did dload 64 bit yesterday, so had it allready
[08:46] <Joit> else i would had taken the 32bit from beginning
[08:46] <lordievader> Joit: 64bit is quite compatible.
[08:46] <lordievader> But for 1gb ram it ain't a must.
[08:46] <Joit> well, for you it is maybe, i did read it different, and i prefer to be on the save side
[08:47] <Joit> yeah 1 gb is it
[08:47] <Joit> 1 mb ram is... a long time ago
[08:47] <lordievader> Joit: Yeah, I figured..
[08:49] <Joit> well 64 bit runs smooth, but i am quiete not sure if i should keep it, and run into problems when the system is full set up. afterwards fixing is mostly hard
[08:51] <lordievader> Joit: I have a 64bit system here with 2gb ram (so it ain't necessary to run 64bit) but I would like to keep the option of upgrading (you know > 4gb ram = 64bit)
[09:08] <luc4_mac> Hi! Is it normal that the connection I setup with the network manager only works after I log in?
[09:18] <yofel> luc4_mac: in the connection settings you can mark a connection as a system connection, then it should work without login as well
[09:21] <Joit_> didnt know that 4gb ram are reconnoment for 64bit, but i think it will takes a while until i got this anyway
[09:26] <luc4_mac> yofel: oh thanks! I'm trying that. Also, do you know by any chance also if I'm supposed to have the networking service running?
[09:28] <yofel> luc4_mac: 'networking' won't be running, but 'network-manager' will
[09:30] <luc4_mac> yofel: thanks!
[09:32] <luc4_mac> yofel: I try to ask you this also, no one has been able to answer: I have to nics here. When I plug one, everything is ok, if I plug the other it is not sensed. I always see "cable unplugged". dhclient makes it work correctly.
[09:32] <luc4_mac> to nics = two nics
[09:32] <yofel> I fear I don't know that either.
[09:33] <luc4_mac> yofel: ok, thanks anyway!
[09:52] <hubert__> how can i see the command a startmenu item is calling ?
[09:53] <hubert__> if i right click i can only add it to favorites
[09:53] <lordievader> hubert__: Right click and go to edit menu
[09:54] <lordievader> hubert__: Edit application*
[09:54] <hubert__> ok, and how can i search here ?
[09:54] <hubert__> i now get a tree structure, i dont know where the program is
[09:56] <lordievader> hubert__: That is something that is troubling me from time to time too, what program are you searching for?
[09:56] <hubert__> maybe do you know the name of the program that is starting the akonadi config management thing for local sources
[09:56] <hubert__> i need to start it with a correct locale to have my error messages in english :-( for more help
[09:57] <hubert__> my whole setup is messed up
[09:57] <hubert__> my logs are full of errors
[09:57] <lordievader> hubert__: No sorry, perhaps Blueskaj is online, he usually knows more about akonadi
[09:57] <lordievader> Doesn't seem to be online.
[09:58] <hubert__> i think i became a vitcim of https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259355   after upgrading to 12.04/4.8.3
[09:58] <hubert__> if i check the check server, it shows a lod of red crosses
[09:59] <lordievader> I'm sorry I can't be of any help, hopefully someone else knows, or you could try on the ubuntuforums.org.
[09:59] <hubert__> ok, if i click copy, it is in english
[10:01] <hubert__> omg, Your paste triggered our spam filter and has been dropped  on paste.kde.org
[10:01] <hubert__> wtf ?
[10:02] <hubert__> this is just the akonadi error log
[10:04] <hubert__> http://pastebin.com/cKZHxnC8
[10:37] <forgeaus> uh how to fix policykit? its asking for root password, which wuld be ok if it was using sudo but I suspect its not because, sudo is working in bash (konsole) but not when I put my password in to update in some policykit dialog that seems to have taken over
[10:39] <dhjrk> hello piple
[10:39] <forgeaus> hi dhjrk
[10:39] <dhjrk> where you from?
[10:41] <forgeaus> Australia
[11:21] <orated> Hello! I've been getting weird black screen dialog box from Software Notifier Helper after recent fresh installation of Kubuntu 12.04 - http://i.imgur.com/ub6oY.jpg . Only change I've done till now is added an empty panel as shown and installed build-essential, kubuntu-restricted-extras packages. Can anyone help me understand the issue and solution to fix it as I'm getting this message with login?
[11:35] <Peace-> orated: sure
[11:35] <Peace-> orated: sudo adduser test
[11:35] <Peace-> orated: sudo adduser test admin
[11:35] <Peace-> orated: or ...
[11:35] <Peace-> if you want fix for your own user i guess that renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma stuff would be enough
[11:38] <orated> Peace-: Okay, I'll try that
[11:41] <chachan> Hi guys, wondering why kubuntu is released with gstreamer instead of Xine
[11:42] <Peace-> chachan: xine is old and not developed anymore
[11:42] <chachan> Peace-: hm, what about phonon?
[11:43] <Peace-> chachan: there is phonon-backend-gstremer
[11:43] <Peace-> or phonon-backend.-vlc
[11:43] <Peace-> i use the last one
[11:43] <orated> and phonon-backend-vlc
[11:43] <Peace-> xine just is dead
[11:44] <chachan> ok, I will try that one. Thanks
[11:44] <chachan> but why kubuntu doesn't released that backend by default?
[11:45] <chachan> gstreamer isn't that good
[11:45] <Peace-> chachan: it's a ubuntu flavor
[11:45] <Peace-> chachan: you could ask this to #kubuntu-devel
[11:45] <chachan> Peace-: thanks again :)
[11:48] <forgeaus> Peace :) hows things?
[11:50] <BlouBlou> isn't going to be new versions of kubuntu? (I read something about Canonical saying that it won't support anymore kubuntu)
[11:51] <Peace-> BlouBlou: kubuntu will be kubuntu
[11:51] <Peace-> stop
[11:52] <Peace-> the only thing that is changed is where dev gets money
[11:52] <BlouBlou> Oh, great :D
[11:53] <Peace-> forgeaus: fine
[12:05] <forgeaus> Peace how do I get either A appler/updater to use kdesudo instead of policykit? or get policykit to use sudo instead of root pass?
[12:05] <Peace-> forgeaus: dunno
[12:06] <forgeaus> lol nice concise answer :)
[12:45] <Joit_> i did install now 12.04 alternate from a cdrom with no problems like software related
[12:45] <Joit_> 32bit
[13:09] <andre_d> hi! i moved the activity widget from the taskpanel to the desktop and now i don't see any way to remove it... perhaps it is too small to show the little "onHover bar" with the close button?
[13:09] <andre_d> anyway. anyone know a way to get rid of it?
[13:09] <andre_d> some config file i can edit to remove it?
[13:20] <chachan> does anyone in here use kate with Vi mode on?. Using :10 is not going to the line 10 anymore =(
[13:23] <andre_d> ok, found it... removed appropriate lines in plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[13:35] <jamil_1_> hi all
[13:36] <jamil_1_> installed updated last night
[13:36] <jamil_1_> and now flash is not working
[13:36] <jamil_1_> any clue ?
[13:40] <andre_d> jamil_1_: had the same problem some minutes ago. sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer then sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[13:41] <andre_d> the gui update manager has some problem with an arabic language file or some thing
[13:41] <jamil_1_> thanks!
[13:49] <Jarli> , it appears to be using the package manager, and isn't visible anywhere, nor appears to be doing anything besides tying up my system...
[13:52] <Jarli> how do I force the upgrade to 12, it appears to be using the package manager, and isn't visible anywhere, nor appears to be doing anything besides tying up my system...
[13:53] <vsrao> Hey. I did a clean install of 12.04. Now I'm faced with "lnusertemp call failed".
[13:54] <vsrao> However, I can login through the terminal mode. Only KDE doesn't start.
[13:54] <vsrao> What do I do?
[13:55] <Jarli> yeah, well im just trying to run the update it it's just hanging...
[13:55] <Jarli> so fun
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> how do i install grub in a partition?
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: are you there?
[14:07] <CQ> hello, is there a list of tablets that can run (k)ubuntu anywhere? I'm looking for basic web, mail (tbird), and PDF reading, libreoffice would be nice to be able to use...
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> CQ: are you aware of kubuntu active?
[14:10] <CQ> phoenix_firebrd: no... I see the daily images, but is there a homepage for the project?
[14:10] <Hounddog> anyone got an idea how to fix flash crashing randomly
[14:13] <phoenix_firebrd> CQ: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active
[14:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Hounddog: did you try disabling the hardware accleration?
[14:14] <Peace-> CQ:  search vivaldi tablet kde
[14:14] <Hounddog> phoenix_firebrd: have to be hones... i have been searching where those adobe settings are...
[14:14] <Peace-> Hounddog: downgrade flash
[14:14] <CQ> weird, couldn't find it via google
[14:14] <Hounddog> currently i am also going through the flash aid from firefox
[14:14] <Peace-> Hounddog: the latest upgrade of flash sucks
[14:14] <Ezim> Hounddog, have you tried flash-aid?
[14:15] <Hounddog> Peace-: ok, that is one hint... btw am on 64bit and read that there are also lot of problems.
[14:15] <phoenix_firebrd> Hounddog: when you right click flash video you will get the settings
[14:15] <Hounddog> if it opens ...
[14:15] <Peace-> Hounddog: i would remove your flash and download it from the website of flash
[14:15] <Peace-> then you could test it extracting and pasting it on the right folder
[14:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Hounddog: untick the "use hardware acceleration tab"
[14:16] <Ezim> I have been lucky. no flash problem for over 2 year with linux.
[14:16] <Ezim> :)
[14:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Hounddog: untick the "use hardware acceleration" option
[14:16] <chachan> Hounddog, is that happening with all your browsers?
[14:16] <Hounddog> phoenix_firebrd: rightclick the flash i have done a couple of times... but the settings never opens bevor it crashes
[14:16] <Peace-> Hounddog: $HOME/.mozilla/plugins this is the folder where flashplugin.so shoudl it be
[14:16] <Hounddog> chachan: yep... chrome ff etc etc etc
[14:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Hounddog: flash crashes occur when i was using chromium, but it doesnt happen when i use chrome
[14:16] <Ezim> Hounddog, try flash-aid.
[14:17] <Hounddog> hmmm yeah using chromium actually
[14:17] <Hounddog> Ezim: just trying that atm
[14:17] <Ezim> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-aid/
[14:17] <phoenix_firebrd> Hounddog: try in rekonq, ikt wont crash when right clicking
[14:17] <Hounddog> just read it up and installed flash aid... anyhow, thx for the hints... will go through it step bu step :)
[14:18] <Ezim> Hounddog, np.
[14:18] <phoenix_firebrd> how do i install grub
[14:18] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, rekonq is crap by all respect.
[14:18] <Peace-> :)
[14:18] <Peace-> +1 Ezim
[14:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: its just for setting the flash option
[14:19] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, :) why do you wanted to install grub? grub 2 should be preinstalled already.
[14:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: i want to install grub  in a seperate partition
[14:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: i meant i want to install grub2
[14:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: does the package grub-pc installs grub2?
[14:22] <EagleScreen> phoenix_firebrd: yes, it does
[14:22] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> EagleScreen:  when i try to install grub-pc, it is asking to remove a lot of kde packages, may be the entire kubuntu-desktop
[14:23] <EagleScreen> phoenix_firebrd: what tool are you using? Muon?
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> EagleScreen: ya
[14:23] <EagleScreen> wich Kubuntu version?
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> EagleScreen: 12.04
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:24] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[14:24] <EagleScreen> phoenix_firebrd: grub-pc should be installed in a Kubuntu Desktop
[14:26] <phoenix_firebrd> EagleScreen: recently i tried gnome-desktop and ubuntu-desktop after that i removed everything gtk and gnome, may that did remove the grub-pc
[14:27] <phoenix_firebrd> EagleScreen:http://paste.ubuntu.com/969241/
[14:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: http://paste.ubuntu.com/969241/
[14:28] <phoenix_firebrd> is libqt getting in the way?
[14:29] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, have you tried sudo apt-get -f
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: no
[14:29] <Ezim> I mean sudo apt-get -f install
[14:29] <Ezim> you have depenc. problem
[14:30] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: ok let me try that
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: http://paste.ubuntu.com/969256/
[14:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: i installed qt sdk from nokia's site
[14:37] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, I think that is the reason your system is a mess.
[14:37] <Ezim> have you tried to compile from source ?
[14:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: no i just used the exe from nokia
[14:40] <Ezim> libqtgui4, libqt4-declarative, libqt4-designer:i386 is does package installed?
[14:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: let me check
[14:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: the statuses of the packages are broken
[14:41] <EagleScreen> phoenix_firebrd: didn't you do something strange ?
[14:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: i guess something went wrong while installing the sdk
[14:41] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, you can try from recovery mode when holding shift during boot fix broken package
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: shall i uninstall qt
[14:42] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, grub should be present and from there you can clear broken package.
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> EagleScreen: like?
[14:42] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, honestly I do not now what exactly you have tried to do.
[14:43] <EagleScreen> like unsinstalling system packages, upgrading your Kubuntu version from 11.10 or older...
[14:44] <phoenix_firebrd> EagleScreen: i removed all gtk and gnome packages, before that i installed qt sdk from nokia's website
[14:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: i am going to try purging qt
[14:47] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, don't you'll just give yourself more problems
[14:47] <Ezim> BluesKaj, +1
[14:47] <EagleScreen> phoenix_firebrd: you probably uninstalled an important system package
[14:47] <Ezim> best is to make fresh install I think.
[14:47] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ok
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Ezim, is correct phoenix_firebrd , looks like irrepairable damage
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: one min
[14:56] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[15:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: uninstalling qt sdk solved the dependency issue
[15:11] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, good :). then problem solved?
[15:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: ya :) thank you
[15:11] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, np.
[15:12] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, good luck
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: for what?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> for the next boot
[15:13] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hey i already rebooted after uninstalling  :)
[15:14] <BluesKaj> then you're lucky I guess :)
[15:14] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, try alt+ctrl+f1 then write your root password/username. after that startx. if needed ctrl+alt+f7 to log back to desktop.
[15:15] <Ezim> if you have no problem then your reboot should be np
[15:15] <Ezim> if not I wish you the best luck :)
[15:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: i am not new to ubuntu/kubuntu , i am using it for 4 years
[15:16] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, okey longer period then me. :)
[15:17] <Ezim> I am newbie :) (little more then 2 years)
[15:17] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: then you are a fast learner
[15:17] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, :) maybe so.
[15:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: going to install grub in a new partition
[15:19] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, I hope you read how to do that before trying out.
[15:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: i have done that already
[15:19] <Ezim> search example: "grub 2 ubuntu 12.04 partition".
[15:20] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, good. then you know how to do it :).
[15:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: ya, we will find out that soon :)
[15:21] <BluesKaj> yes there's question I've been wonderingabout myself ..I have an extra hdd that I'd like to install internally on this pc
[15:21] <BluesKaj> I already have an external esata to sata drive connected and mounted
[15:22] <BluesKaj> I'd like to use the extra internal hdd for testing , since my other pc mobo is kaput
[15:23] <BluesKaj> maybe I should ask this devel
[15:30] <CQ> hello, if I run thunderbird from the command line after export LC_TIME=en_DK.utf8 then I get ISO dates, if I make export LC_TIME=en_DK;utf8;thunderbird the command for the icon to launch it, I get US date format... any ideas?
[15:31] <CQ> en_DK.utf8 of course
[15:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: installed grub successfully
[15:35] <CQ> kde plasma active pre beta means alpha, or stable enough for experienced users?
[15:36] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, you rock :).
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: Our kubuntu community rocks :)
[15:38] <markit> hi, is it me or there is no firefox-kde-support in 12.04???
[15:40] <Ezim> markit, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/oxygen-kde/versions/
[15:41] <markit> Ezim: does it fix file associations or only easthetic stuff?
[15:41] <Ezim> last one
[15:42] <Ezim> markit, try it out, maybe it does even more. :)
[15:42] <markit> I install ltsp in schools with kubuntu, is a suicide without ff support :(
[15:43] <Ezim> markit, it should have ff support.
[15:43] <Ezim> but I can be wrong. I am running kubuntu 11.10 still.
[15:44] <Ezim> markit, when flash is playing d-ck. maybe chrome should be the browser of choose.
[15:44] <markit> I'm running a script that installs all the programs needed by school... I've seen an error about missing firefox-kde-support. As soon as aptitude install stops, I will check again
[15:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: why do we need oxygen-kde theme for firefox?
[15:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: when we already have oxygen-gtk
[15:45] <Ezim> phoenix_firebrd, we do not, I like the look :).
[15:45] <markit> "flash is playing d-ck" ? what do you mean?
[15:45] <Ezim> markit, flash will not support linux with new release
[15:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Ezim: but by default oxygen-gtk does the job
[15:45] <Ezim> only buggfix etc
[15:46] <Ezim> only chrome with its extension will have newer flash in the fet.
[15:46] <markit> flash = proprietary format = problems, sooner or later (and now we have problems)
[15:46] <markit> I'll go for gnash, better than nothing
[15:46] <Ezim> markit, I advice you to install chrome. even if you like ff more. same here.
[15:47] <markit> chromium you mean? chrome is proprietary and "market / proprietary programs" oriented
[15:47] <AngelForget> very good update kde 4.8.3
[15:47] <markit> to me is a bad route to take
[15:47] <Ezim> markit, gnash is not fully mature yet. it will give student/children of the school bad linux experience
[15:47] <markit> well, this is a ltsp installatino with so poor hardware that they will have a poor experinece in any case
[15:47] <Ezim> markit, I do not think chromium comes preinstalled with flash
[15:47] <phoenix_firebrd> markit: html5 works well with chrome than in chromium its also in case of flash
[15:49] <markit> they are putting FOSS deeper and deeper in a corner with all this proprietary formats
[15:49] <phoenix_firebrd> markit: thats not true
[15:50] <phoenix_firebrd> markit: we need time to migrate to the open webm/html5 untill then we the prop. stuff
[15:50] <markit> phoenix_firebrd: no? dvd can't be played legally in many countries
[15:50] <BluesKaj> yeah , libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins still works here
[15:51] <markit> BluesKaj: police is going after you if you are in US ;P
[15:51] <markit> h264 is becoming mainstream
[15:51] <phoenix_firebrd> markit: not if you buy legally
[15:51] <markit> btw, I've a lot more troubles playing webm with VLC or Free programs thatn with h264, what a shame
[15:51] <BluesKaj> can't wait for HTML5 so i can drop pulseaudio .., need it for webaudio , unfortunately most webaudio flash based
[15:52] <markit> phoenix_firebrd: you can't buy legally as free software
[15:52] <markit> phoenix_firebrd: they can only sell you compiled blobs, you don't have idea what do in your computer
[15:53] <markit> so you can't more and more use a computer for usefull stuff and still live in Freedom
[15:53] <BluesKaj> markit, police? , for what? ...anyway I'm in Canada , so i have alittle time :)
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> markit: we can chat only in #kubuntu-offtopic sorry
[15:53] <markit> BluesKaj: yep, they are pushing for world wide regulation about enslavery
[15:54] <markit> Ezim:  mmm confirm, no firefox-kde-support in 12.04
[15:54] <forgeaus> seems to run ok in KDE for me
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Ezim, markit ..that's true
[15:55] <forgeaus> I think its built into main packages or something had a menu item to install it, just not packaged separately?
[15:57] <markit> forgeaus: if you try to open a pdf link will it fire Okular?
[15:57] <markit> or maybe kubuntu-firefox-installer does some trick, but I have to install firefox "system wide" with a script, not graphically
[15:59] <BluesKaj> markit, could you share your procedure with us , since we've had complaints about poor FF integration with KDE
[16:00] <BluesKaj> personally I use chromium , but some ppl still like FF
[16:01] <markit> BluesKaj: well, in the past was simply a : aptitude install firefox firefox-branding firefox-kde-support
[16:02] <markit> and purging kubuntu-firefox-installer
[16:02] <BluesKaj> markit, ok thanks
[16:03] <markit> in a school installation I forgot to install firefox-kde-support, was a nightmare because this way there is not correct file association
[16:03] <markit> and "average user" (teachers) are unable to figure out themselves
[16:03] <markit> and in any case i.e. associate "open containing folder" of the download dialog
[16:04] <markit> with /usr/bin/dolphin is not an easy task
[16:04] <markit> the same for zip / pdf / etc
[16:16] <markit> BluesKaj:  ok, FF and a pdf. If you choose "open" it opens it with okular. If you choose save and then in the download window you right click and choose "open" it asks about what program use
[16:16] <markit> the same problem if you choose "open containing folder"
[16:16] <markit> so bad
[16:26] <mgottschlag> hey, anybody can tell me why I cannot install libiodbc2? I believe I need this to build kde from source, however it wants me to uninstall the running kde first
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Try installing libodbc2-devel instead
[16:27] <mgottschlag> devel or dev?
[16:27] <mgottschlag> libodbc2-dev fails because it wants libiodbc2 to be installed, and that one fails as described
[16:31] <mgottschlag> http://paste.kde.org/469862/ <- this is what I mean, shortened
[16:33] <mgottschlag> (oh, and I have the kubuntu ppa enabled, for kde 4.8.3)
[16:36] <BluesKaj> mgottschlag, you should be asking in #kubuntu-devel if you just installed kde 4.8.3
[16:36] <tsimpson> mgottschlag: if it's not installed, you don't need it to build KDE. A quick way to get everything you need would be to "sudo apt-get build-dep kde4libs" add kde-runtime and kde-workspace if you need to
[16:42] <mgottschlag> tsimpson:  But what about http://paste.kde.org/469880 then? Some components do not work without that.
[16:42] <mgottschlag> anyways, I'll try my luck in #kubuntu-devel if that is a more appropriate place now
[16:43] <tsimpson> yeah, for issues with the PPA version, that's the best place :)
[17:16] <KarmaComa> Hi, on Kubuntu 12.04 every time i disable DPMS i find it enabled itself after sometime!
[17:22] <Jarli> Anyone home?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> Jarli, we're awake , yes
[17:32] <boris_> ребят кто нить по русски говорит ??
[17:32] <bazhang> boris_, #ubuntu-ru
[17:34] <Farsight> hey folks, new here and wondered if any would be able to help me set Kmail to download all mail locally?
[17:35] <Joit_> Farsight: you usually get the neccesary settings at the help pages from your mail provider
[17:36] <Farsight> I'll have a look and let you know :)
[17:47] <jaafar> yikes. flashplugin update appears broken.  Anyone else observing this?
[17:48] <jaafar> I observe the following 1) flashplugin-installer update required 2) it fails with error message relating to, I think, language packs 3) flash no longer works in chrome
[17:48] <jaafar> on two systems so far
[17:49] <jaafar> apt-get remove flashplugin-installer;apt-get install flashplugin-installer fixes it
[17:52] <BluesKaj> jaafar, rumour has it adobe is dropping it's linux support
[17:56] <Ezim> BluesKaj, it is not any rumour.
[17:57] <jaafar> The issue I experienced (anyone else?) seems to be a packaging problem rather than a failure of linux support from Adobe
[17:57] <jaafar> though I too have heard that
[17:57] <BluesKaj> Ezim, ok , I thought i read somewhere that flash wasn't being supported any longer
[17:57] <BluesKaj> in linux
[17:57] <Ezim> BluesKaj, yeah thats true.
[18:00] <BluesKaj> that's bothersome , seems like the major web companies are joining forces against linux or is it just economics
[18:00] <tsimpson> flash is on its way out anyway, due to HTML5
[18:01] <Ezim> BluesKaj, if you wanted to get the latest and greatest release of flash then you are force to use chrome
[18:01] <Ezim> but for other browser that use flash the old way will get support/bugfix (no new fet.) for 5 years I think.
[18:01] <Ezim> 5 years from now :) I hope flash will die
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Ezim, yes, it should be officially released and implemented sometime in 2014
[18:08] <BluesKaj> Isuppose not all large sites will use it immediately
[18:14] <dbc254> kmail keeps crashing. What other clients are there?
[18:15] <dant3> kubuntu 12.04 introduced nice "Updates notification" which is not working and on open shows hugely wide messagebox with buggy text. Will it be fixed, or can I remove it somehow?
[18:17] <jaafar> that must be the messagebox that informed me the flash update failed...
[18:17] <dant3> jaafar: yep, it is
[18:17] <jaafar> many times the width of the screen and (on my laptop) completely black/unreadable
[18:17] <dant3> I want to get rid of it cause I see it everyday
[18:17] <dant3> it`s like buggy muon which crashes on package install and breaks cache and has somethat unusable ui was not enouth
[18:47] <d-egg> Hi, how do I get rid of kdeaccessibility . It's in the tray and respawns.
[18:47] <d-egg> I think I started it through orca or so
[18:48] <d-egg> no parent process
[18:50] <BluesKaj> ..BBL
[18:50] <d-egg> chmod a-x /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kaccessibleapp
[18:50] <d-egg> phew
[19:59] <mangdood_> Is there a way I can exclude an GTK application from having the KDE appearance applied to it
[20:05] <zeerok> Hey, quick question: I was copying a large file over the network, and I hit the pause button in the notification window to suspend it temporarily. Now how do I resume the copy? Pressing pause again does nothing. Thanks.
[20:05] <zeerok> Kubuntu 12.04
[20:08] <zeerok> Oh, I closed the notification window and then reopened it, and the pause button became a resume button. Guess that's a bug.
[20:18] <tsimpson> mangdood_: I think you'd need to modify the $GTK_RC_FILES and $GTK2_RC_FILES environment variables to remove the KDE additions
[20:20] <mangdood_> tsimpson: I'm not sure what you mean
[20:20] <mangdood_> tsimpson: doesn't seem to be set (not that I know much)
[20:21] <tsimpson> mangdood_: if you open a terminal and type "echo $GTK_RC_FILES" and "echo $GTK2_RC_FILES" you get nothing?
[20:21] <mangdood_> tsimpson: Nothnig
[20:22] <tsimpson> mangdood_: well those are the only things I can find on my system that relate to GTK themes
[20:22] <tsimpson> so I guess I can't help :(
[20:23] <mangdood_> tsimpson: How does KDE apply the appearance on GTK applications anyways? Does it just create a GTK theme that has similar configurations as the KDE one?
[20:24] <tsimpson> as far as I know, it creates a custom GTK configuration files
[20:25] <tsimpson> the ones I've found are ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4, ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0, and ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc
[20:30] <mangdood_> tsimpson: So the changing of the environment changed the appearance, but not the behaviour of the dropdowns and things
[20:32] <mangdood_> tsimpson: The program I'm using has some special behaviour when certain buttons are clicked, but it doesn't come out correctly in KDE... Any suggestions?
[20:33] <tsimpson> well, that sounds like a bug in that application. a theme or style shouldn't change behaviour. but as for a workaround, I guess the quickest way would be to create a new user, and then run the application as that new user
[20:33] <tsimpson> ie: kdesudo -u new-user -c some-app
[20:34] <goddard> how can i indent selected text with kate?
[20:36] <mangdood_> goddard: Select some text and hit tab seems to work for me
[20:38] <Guest63538> hello is this kubutnu
[20:39] <Guest63538> rhello
[20:39] <Guest63538> i need help
[20:40] <Tm_T> Guest63538: yes?
[20:40] <Guest63538> tmt
[20:40] <Guest63538> On kubuntu i have no sound
[20:40] <Guest63538> and i dont know how to get java.com from java
[20:43] <dant3> hey guys. Somehow I have KTorrens as default app for magnet links, I want to use qBittorrent which I have installed, how can I change this?
[20:44] <mgottschlag> Guest63538: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java <- for java you have to install the openjdk
[20:44] <mgottschlag> as well as the icedtea browser plugin
[20:44] <Guest63538> do i install both?
[20:45] <mgottschlag> yes, the openjdk jre can be used for standalone java applications, but not for browser applets
[20:46] <Guest63538> and hte iced tea is for java applets
[20:46] <mgottschlag> yeah
[20:46] <Guest63538> it said
[20:46] <mgottschlag> I think installing icedtea might also install parts or even the complete openjdk jre, but I am not sure about that
[20:46] <tsimpson> dant3: change it under System Settings -> File Associations -> application/x-bittorrent
[20:47] <Guest63538> both packages already installed
[20:47] <dant3> tsimpson: if that was so easy - I have qBittorrent as default there
[20:48] <Guest63538> ok i need some more help if u dont mind
[20:48] <Guest63538> I have downloaded this .jar file how do i open it?
[20:48] <mgottschlag> Guest63538: what web browser? in firefox, open "about:plugins" to see whether firefox found it
[20:48] <Guest63538> chrome
[20:48] <Guest63538> i use chrome it sync my stuff frmo windows
[20:48] <mgottschlag> in the command line just "java -jar filename"
[20:49] <Guest63538> how do i open this command line
[20:49] <Guest63538> i only install kubuntu 10 mins ago
[20:49] <dant3> tsimpson: can it somehow be connected to the fact I'm using chromium as browser, and opening magnet-link suggests to run xdg-open magnet://urlhere
[20:50] <mgottschlag> Guest63538: start "konsole"
[20:51] <lethu> Guest63538, alt+F2
[20:51] <lethu> Guest63538, then type konsole
[20:51] <lethu> Guest63538, then push the enter button
[20:57] <Kill_the_black> !lost
[20:58] <Kill_the_black>  /j #fanculo-ubuntu
[21:07] <orgthingy> I hope this doesn't count as off-topic: For the first time in my life, I feel proud of the Kubuntu/KDE community! What a wonderful release, i think Im moving to KDE thanks to you guys
[21:07] <orgthingy> wonderful job
[21:10] <Ezim> orgthingy, kubuntu always make good release. :)
[21:11] <Ezim> kde itself have been much better from 4.6 and forward
[21:11] <orgthingy> Ezim: it's not the kubuntu community itself that was the problem (not at all) but rather KDE itself
[21:11] <orgthingy> I never liked KDE before this release
[21:11] <orgthingy> Im quite impressed
[21:12] <Ezim> orgthingy, like me then. I did not like kde before 4.6 and that was the reason I did not use kubuntu
[21:12] <Ezim> after 4.6 I am home :)
[21:13] <Ezim> the team is doing great work. kudos to all of them.
[21:13] <orgthingy> the last 11.x ubuntu release was a disaster
[21:13] <orgthingy> which is why I moved to xubuntu
[21:13] <orgthingy> and now Im using kubuntu (first day)
[21:13] <orgthingy> I hope everything goes well
[21:13] <Ezim> orgthingy, it will.
[21:13] <orgthingy> I didnt need to ask for help, everything was easy and guessable
[21:13] <Ezim> :)
[21:14] <dant3> even if I have xdg-mime setted up correctly for application/x-bittorrent;x-scheme-handler/magnet;
[21:14] <dant3> for qbittorrent it still opens ktorrent, not qbittorrent
[21:14] <Ezim> kde have mature and the great work of kubuntu team this release is great
[21:14] <dant3> looks like another bug
[21:14] <dant3> in xdg-open this time
[21:15] <tsimpson> dant3: I guess need to edit ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list (and that is a guess)
[21:15]  * orgthingy will recommend Linux Mint to GNOME lovers, and Kubuntu for KDE lovers from now on
[21:16] <dant3> tsimpson: done that already
[21:16] <Ezim> dant3, you can easy do it gui way
[21:16] <dant3> Ezim: tell me how?
[21:16] <Ezim> will take screenshot brb
[21:16] <dant3> Ezim: system settings -> mime types ?
[21:17] <Ezim> dant3, http://imgur.com/tr6RR
[21:18] <dant3> Ezim: nothing new, I have only qbittorrent there atm
[21:18] <dant3> but xdg-open still uses ktorrent
[21:18] <Ezim> dant3, you can add the torrent client you wanted
[21:18] <dant3> I want qbittorrent and it works for *.torrent files
[21:18] <dant3> but does not works for magnet: links
[21:19] <Ezim> dant3, then whats the problem?
[21:19] <Ezim> dant3, I see.
[21:19] <dant3> magnet: tryes to open ktorrent and it sucks to open them
[21:19] <Ezim> magnet:links I have no idea
[21:19] <Ezim> dant3, you can try transmission if it works better with magnet:links
[21:20] <dant3> Ezim: qBittorrent worked quite nice with magnet on windows and opensuse for me
[21:20] <Ezim> dant3, then it should also under kubuntu.
[21:21] <dant3> ok... for ubuntu google says I can patch xdg-open which lacks magnet section
[21:21] <Ezim> dant3, https://launchpad.net/~hydr0g3n/+archive/ppa
[21:21] <Ezim> if you do not use the latest qbittorent
[21:22] <westyvw> why qbittorent when there is ktorrent?
[21:23] <westyvw> not being a jerk, seriously wondering.... consider ktorrent too bloated or what?
[21:24] <dant3> westyvw: I hate to say it but ktorrent sucks... it drains ram for nothing, it drains cpu highly on downloads, it can`t open magnet liks even then xdg-open asks it for, (looks like a kio bug for me)
[21:25] <dant3> Ezim: Im using qbittorrent from repo
[21:25] <westyvw> i dont have any issues with ram or cpu, it uses barely any of either, but the last problem does seem like a deal breaker
[21:27] <dant3> westyvw: Im using qbittorrent for about 6 months already instead of ktorrent, and I like it much. I can bet there was more problems with ktorrent which I can`t remember atm, but then I open ktorrent I began feeling sad
[21:28] <westyvw> i was curious, thanks
[21:29] <westyvw> i have bigger problems. I cant change the mime types (what program launches what) beecuase user/share is not writable
[21:29] <dant3> found it, xdg-open uses kde-open for magnet links and kde-open just opens ktorrent
[21:29] <dant3> westyvw: it can be changed per user
[21:30] <dant3> westyvw: xdg mime default /usr/share/applications/yourapp.desktop yourmimehere --mode user
[21:31] <westyvw> Configuration file "/home/westy/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list" not writable.
[21:31] <westyvw> that should not happen
[21:33] <westyvw> well i upgraded this from Kubuntu 11.10 and there have been a few odd things ever since. I should reinstall i would think
[21:33] <dant3> westyvw: I upgraded my pc from 10.04 to 11.10 and there was none of updates that was not done by my hands resolving conflicts
[21:34] <dant3> westyvw: before installing 12.04 I had to remodprobe my network drivers on boot to have networking
[21:34] <dant3> I done a clean install and found still many bugs :(
[21:35] <dant3> great... do you know how I fixed xdg-open?
[21:35] <westyvw> ubuntu 12 wont even install on my other computer
[21:35] <dant3> I remove ktorrent
[21:35] <westyvw> i use chakra on that one
[21:35] <dant3> now kde-open uses mimetypes, and opens with qbittorrent....
[21:36] <dant3> looks like egoistic behaviour
[21:36] <dant3> so, the solution is: remove ktorrent ;D
[21:36] <dant3> (in case someone will look for it)
[21:37] <dant3> westyvw: btw atm qbittorrent already started to download from magnet, while I have six spinners left from ktorrent
[21:37] <westyvw> i thought kde would look for kget as its default torrent client
[21:38] <dant3> westyvw: it was default for torrent files... and ktorrent for magnet
[21:38] <dant3> stupid as it sounds
[21:38] <westyvw> oh yeah, gotcha
[21:38] <dant3> kget is a great app, not so cluttered as ktorrent
[21:39] <westyvw> yeah ktorrent was getting busy, but you could set stuff up and then just launch the web front end. and use it at home and away
[21:39] <dant3> westyvw: then I prefer rtorrent headless this way, not ui-resources draining ktorrent
[21:40] <dant3> westyvw: and qbittorrent can be headless too btw!
[21:40] <westyvw> that i have never seen, ktorrent uses nothing on my machine, but then again i dont really use torrents much anymore
[21:40] <westyvw> so eh, whatever works
[21:40] <dant3> westyvw: I have many torrens I'm seeding
[21:41] <dant3> ~ 50
[21:42] <westyvw> k3b has been giving me the notification that it can add extra functionality everytime i run it. need to make that stop
[21:42] <dant3> just install this packages and it won`t bother you anymore
[21:43] <westyvw> oh i have installed it, over and over....
[21:43] <westyvw> it never quits asking!
[21:43] <dant3> westyvw: it really is... just reproduced... was fine in 11.10
[21:44] <dant3> this lts makes me sad... 10.04 was really strong release compared to current
[21:44] <westyvw> so a reinstall wont fix it.....
[21:44] <westyvw> if Debian sid had newer KDE packs, I would be rolling with them instead believe me
[21:45] <dant3> westyvw: if opensuse does not had many bugs too, I would prefer it ;)
[21:45] <westyvw> i dont get opensuse, it NEVER works right for me, I can break that in a day
[21:46] <dant3> nice success story
[21:46] <westyvw> Kubuntu isnt bad, it does have newer stuff, the tweaks are simple and pleasent, the Ubuntu ppa's are huge, and so on.
[21:46] <westyvw> the trade off is ITS SLOW.
[21:47] <dant3> westyvw: it not so slow for me mostly, it is very buggy. And there more and more bugs from release to release
[21:48] <dant3> for example, I have a sensor screened netbook, in 11.10 it was fine, but in 12.04 sensor does not works anymore
[21:50] <dant3> so I'm wonder, if debian testing is so buggy and ubuntu just copies their bugs in packages and builds
[21:55] <Asia> hey guys
[21:55] <AlexZion> hi guys ..., I was looking for a timer inside Kontact to check how along I'm working on some job , but I can't find it anymore..., someone remember the name of this usefull apps  ?
[21:55] <Asia> May I ask You about suspending laptop
[21:55] <Asia> cause it doesnt work on my laptop
[21:56] <dant3> kubuntu is still nice anyway, at least even I'm alwais looking for a better distro and I keep coming back to kubuntu and feeling myself nice with it even then it contains some bugs, it may be fun to challenge them sometimes :D thanks kubuntu team
[21:56] <Asia> anyone could help?
[21:57] <dant3> AlexZion: kalarm perhaps?
[21:58] <AlexZion> maybe , but it was embedded in Kontact !?!
[21:58] <natman> is there anyway to support kubuntu via buying merchanise?
[21:59] <dant3> AlexZion: korganizer and kalarm is only things I have in mind reading your question
[21:59] <westyvw> dant3: Yes. I would have to say that it is my favorite KDE distro. The Kubuntu team have really done a great job.
[22:00] <AlexZion> ok thanks a lot buddy , I'll check it out .. ;)
[22:01] <dant3> westyvw: KDE distro, yes. I can`t use non KDE distro for some time already ;) I feel myself uncomfortable without kde :) And I like to hack on KDE`s sources ;)
[22:05] <AlexZion> anyway dant3, is not kalarm ..., but i cannot remember the name ....., it was really usefull to take note of the time I'm working on different activity .....
[22:07] <dant3> AlexZion: provide me with usecase and maybe your gui expirience with it, and maybe I will be able to help you better
[22:07] <dant3> with fuller usecase
[22:07] <Asia> could anyone give ma a hand with suspending laptop
[22:07] <Asia> ?
[22:08] <dant3> Asia: I can try. Tell me your laptop model
[22:08] <AlexZion> well , I had in Kontact a part where start a timer for each desktop for example where I was working on different activity ....., dant3, so it was really easy to take note about how many hours I worked on a specific job ......
[22:08] <Asia> http://www.msi.com/product/nb/VR601.html#/?div=FAQ here is all about it
[22:09] <Asia> http://www.msi.com/product/nb/VR601.html#/?div=Specification
[22:09] <dant3> Asia: that happens then you trying to suspend it?
[22:10] <Asia> i click to suspend and it seems to suspend normally
[22:10] <Asia> but the problem is when I want to "wake up " laptop
[22:11] <Asia> while it is uspended the power button blink
[22:11] <Asia> when I push butto or lid up
[22:11] <dant3> AlexZion: ktimetracker perhaps?
[22:12] <AlexZion> maybe dant3, let me check .....
[22:12] <Asia> the led light start to continous lighting for a few (5 perhaps) seconds
[22:12] <dant3> AlexZion: as I'm looking at it, it implies me that this is what you looking for
[22:13] <Asia> then the hole power goes down, I have to run lapton twice with power button, cause after first one it doesnt run at all
[22:13] <AlexZion> it sounds like it could be .... dant3 I'm installing it ....
[22:13] <Asia> its all
[22:13] <dant3> Asia: I see
[22:14] <Asia> I know that suspending work. I had  earlier windows and it worked
[22:15] <AlexZion> dant3:  thanks a lot , is KtimeTracker .... ;)
[22:15] <Asia> i had kubuntu 12.04 64
[22:16] <dant3> Asia: please let me see output of   "sudo lshw -class wlan" command from konsole
[22:17] <dant3> AlexZion: good :)
[22:17] <Asia> PCI (sysfs)
[22:17] <dant3> Asia: use paste.kde.org please
[22:18] <Asia> http://paste.kde.org/469988/
[22:19] <dant3> Asia: ok... "sudo lshw"  ?
[22:19] <Asia> yes
[22:19] <dant3> Asia: please run just sudo lshw, and give the output
[22:19] <dant3> (without --class ...)
[22:21] <Asia> http://paste.kde.org/469994/
[22:25] <dant3> Asia: it looks like the problem is caused by wlan driver trying to resume wireless on wake up, You can try to follow instructions from answer here http://askubuntu.com/questions/13994/msi-vr601-laptop-wont-resume-after-suspend
[22:26] <dant3> Asia: perhaps this could be helpfull http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1481983
[22:26] <Asia> is there any chance to disable wlan completely cause I've never use it
[22:26] <Asia> I use only wifi
[22:28] <dant3> Asia: wlan == wifi
[22:29] <Asia> I am sorry :P
[22:29] <Asia> It is quite late inhere
[22:29] <Asia> :P
[22:29] <Asia> I thought You say eth0
[22:29] <dant3> itqs quite late here too :P
[22:29] <Asia> :p
[22:30] <dant3> I even miss keyboard sometimes :p
[22:30] <Asia> :)
[22:30] <Asia> thanks for help
[22:31] <dant3> nope
[22:38] <Asia> product: AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter  wich one is my wificard
[22:48] <akseya> hi folks ^ ^
[22:49] <akseya> i have just installed kubuntu 12.04 here but I get a lot of issues..
[22:49] <akseya> touchpad is not working, bluetooth isn't either...
[22:49] <akseya> don't know what to do
[22:50] <akseya> actually looks like something is wrong with USB too.. pendrive is not recognized
[22:51] <akseya> any ideas?
[22:52] <akseya> should I try reinstalling Kubuntu?
[22:55] <Asia> reinstall driver
[22:55] <forgeaus> uh that was nasty
[22:55] <forgeaus> I got booted from sudoers! how to fix?
[22:56] <akseya> i reinstalled xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and rebooted
[22:56] <akseya> but didn't work
[22:57] <akseya> gonna try reinstall kubuntu.. brb
[22:58] <dant3> forgeaus: run "id" and show results
[22:59] <forgeaus> uid=1000(forgeaus) gid=1000(forgeaus) groups=1000(forgeaus),134(vboxusers)
[23:01] <dant3> forgeaus: strange, the issue is not only with sudoers, you dont have some other usefull groups.
[23:02] <dant3> I can suggest you to boot in single user mode, or chroot from livecd and then add needed groups to your user
[23:02] <dant3> from root
[23:03] <dant3> forgeaus: http://superuser.com/questions/306182/chmod-sudoers-without-using-sudo something like this
[23:03] <dant3> but you need to add groups to your user, not to chmod sudoers
[23:15] <Asia> hey
[23:15] <Asia> hey dant3 could You help once more
[23:16] <Asia> hey dant3 would You like to help me once more/?
[23:18] <akSeya> =/
[23:19] <akSeya> ok.. reinstalled kubuntu.. touchpad works during install, but don't work on kde
[23:21] <akSeya> touchpad is not shown in /proc/bus/input/devices
[23:23] <akSeya> running apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:26] <akSeya> going to reboot.. BRB
[23:27] <Guest92109> Hello is anyone in here
[23:28] <BluesKaj> I hope so :)
[23:28] <akSeya> ok.. touchpad is working again ^^
[23:29] <Guest92109> Am going to install Kubuntu on my HP notebook PC
[23:32] <akSeya> bluetooth working too ^^
[23:35] <Guest92109> akSeya: What does blue tooth mean is it connect to your devices like head phones or something like that?
[23:36] <BluesKaj> !bluetooth | Guest92109
[23:37] <BluesKaj> Guest92109, it's a close range wireless system
[23:37] <Asia> hello
[23:37] <Guest92109> BluesKaj: Oh thank you
[23:38] <Guest92109> asia: Hello I know no one is talking here
[23:38] <Asia> and?
[23:38] <Guest92109> and your beatful?
[23:39] <Guest92109> lol
[23:39] <Guest92109> Man People talk in here am getting lonly
[23:39] <BluesKaj> yup , I'm a drummer :)
[23:40] <Guest92109> BluesKaj: NICE
[23:40] <BluesKaj> well ,general chat is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:41] <Guest92109> Thank you lol mabey some people will talk in there
[23:41] <BluesKaj> I'm always there
[23:52] <forgeaus> groups defaults for normal users is: cdrom,floppy,dialout,tape,dip,adm,plugdev,fax,fuse,video , for admins is cdrom,floppy,dialout,tape,dip,adm,plugdev,fax,fuse,admin,sambashare,lpadmin,video
[23:52] <forgeaus> why'd I get deleted from them?