[04:34] <snadge> theres no way to install quantal yet without installing precise and updating?
[04:34] <snadge> its times like this.. i wish btrfs was stable ;)
[04:35] <snadge> i know that linux 3.4 breaks radeon graphics from experience.. so im not real keen on that just yet
[05:17] <astraljava> snadge: Gotta wait for when the first dailies get spun.
[05:18] <Fyodorovna> When do the dailies start I forget?
[05:20] <snadge> dunno.. im not waiting
[05:20] <snadge> im installing precise in a vm and dist upgrading :p
[05:20] <astraljava> I have no idea, tbh, but the first alpha is already early June.
[05:25] <snadge>  update-manager -d doesnt work for quantal ;)
[05:27] <snadge> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:27] <snadge> :1,$ s/precise/quantal/g
[05:27] <snadge> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:27] <snadge> :p
[05:39] <snadge> ok.. im running quantal
[05:39] <snadge> exciting ;)
[05:44] <snadge> nooo... wobble windows has been removed :P
[10:11] <bcuraboy> how can i set nautilus to load thumbnails?reason: in chrome when i want to upload a photo to a social network,the preview of the file doesn't show up...
[10:24] <bcuraboy> there's no nautilus elementary for ubuntu 12.04?
[12:52] <em> what's new in the next ubuntu?
[12:59] <penguin42> em: I'm not sure that's decided yet - it looks like UDS for Q is in a couple of days time
[13:01] <penguin42> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu  doesnt't show much assigned to quantal yet
[13:41] <philinux> penguin42: Regarding bug reporting in QQ. Is it worth reporting bugs before alpha 1 milestone?
[13:41]  * penguin42 isn't sure
[13:42] <penguin42> philinux: I'd guess only if you can track it down to a particular packag
[13:43] <philinux> penguin42: The repos for QQ will be in a state of flux just now so I assumed bug reporting would be a drain on resources until alpha1
[13:44] <philinux> or at least somewhere between tool chain upload and alpha1
[13:44] <penguin42> philinux: which is why I say if you can actually find there is definitely a bug in  a particular package then it's worth reporitng it just to make sure it gets fixed
[13:45] <philinux> penguin42: ah ok gotcha
[13:45] <snadge> anyone know what the story for quantal is yet? :P
[13:45] <snadge> new kernel.. new gcc... profit?
[13:46] <philinux> snadge: UDS 7th may
[13:46] <snadge> so nobody is going to screw with anything else until then.. im guessing the new kernel and new compiler is just the base to work from
[13:46] <snadge> so far so good.. i wouldn't bother reporting bugs with kernel 3.4, they're all pretty much known
[13:46] <penguin42> snadge: They're not necessarily that interrelated
[13:47] <snadge> 3.4 was designed purely to upset people
[13:47] <snadge> but it runs great in virtualbox.. so whos complaining
[13:48] <philinux> snadge: QQ is PP at the moment with minor changes so I would expect it to run ok
[13:48] <snadge> well i wouldn't call the kernel minor personally
[13:48] <snadge> it probably boots natively on 1 in 2 pcs
[13:48] <snadge> forget about display drivers etc :p
[13:49] <snadge> and gcc 4.6 -> 4.7 .. thats bound to break stuff
[13:49] <snadge> and thats before the devs have even tried to break stuff.. thats just given breakage to existing stuff ;)
[13:50] <snadge> entirely to be expected though
[13:51] <philinux> snadge: changelog not very busy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.4.0-1.3
[13:51] <snadge> the ABI has changed.. thats probably the biggest thing
[13:51] <snadge> im not sure what else has changed between precises 3.2 and 3.4 kernel
[13:53] <snadge> with any luck fglrx and nvidia drivers will be working by the time the alpha rolls around
[13:53] <philinux> snadge: Kernel team > http://voices.canonical.com/kernelteam/2012/05/02/quantal-linux-kernel-3-4-0-1-3-uploaded/
[13:53] <snadge> but that probably depends on whether its decided to update xorg to 1.12
[13:53] <philinux> Doesnt say much
[13:53] <snadge> or not
[13:54] <snadge> does that basically mean that as it stands now.. theres not much difference between mainline 3.4 and quantal 3.4?
[13:54] <penguin42> snadge: fglrx and nvidia almost never work by the time the alpha comes out!
[13:54] <snadge> well i managed to hack fglrx to work on 3.4 kernel
[13:54] <snadge> and im not a kernel dev
[13:55] <snadge> nor do i have the source to fglrx.. i just kludged the headers a bit
[13:55] <snadge> but it was a tad unstable
[13:55] <snadge> so i do know from experience there are a few changes there that amd and nvidia will have to deal with.. but they're probably not massive
[13:57] <snadge> it would be nice to get them onboard as quickly as possible.. because most people either dont have intel graphics.. or are unenthusiastic about using radeon/nouveau
[13:58] <snadge> thats probably the biggest thing that influences my decision whether to run it natively.. or in a vm.. asides from other general breakage
[14:10] <philinux> snadge: I always run the dev version on a disk 2 in my desktop
[14:10] <philinux> disk 1 has stable version on it
[14:16] <snadge> yeah i wont do that until i can be sure that i can display something in X
[14:17] <snadge> thats kind of a pre-requisite for me
[14:17] <philinux> snadge: Thats how i've done it for ages.
[14:19] <penguin42> Radeon driver works decently these days - certainly for my HD4350; it's not supposed to be as fast as the fglrx, but certainly it gets to the display and runs KDE OK
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:58] <eagles0513875> hi guys :)
[17:15] <KarmaComa> Hi, on Kubuntu 12.04 every time i disable DPMS i find it enabled itself after sometime!
[17:15] <bazhang> KarmaComa, #ubuntu for that
[17:15] <bazhang> or #kubuntu
[17:15] <KarmaComa> they told me to go here for precise
[17:16] <bazhang> they were wrong
[17:16] <KarmaComa> ok thanks
[17:16] <penguin42> Precise was here until it was released
[17:17] <KarmaComa> oh ok
[17:17] <penguin42> +1 is always 'the next one'
[17:28] <BluesKaj> penguin42, any word on when the "next one " is to be released for testing ?
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> hey guys
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> anyone having trouble booting up quantal?
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> seems to be network related
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> if I disable network interfaces, it boots ok
[17:30] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, using NM ?
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> ofc
[17:30] <BluesKaj> wireless laptop I suppose
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> I commented eth0 in interfaces and it works
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: I already tried reverting wireless tools to no efect
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> but yes, laptop  with intel wifi card
[17:32] <FernandoMiguel> 09:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1030 (rev 34)
[17:32] <FernandoMiguel> 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
[17:32] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, any chance you have an ethernet connection nearby ...upgrading to a new alpha release OS is always tricky with wifi
[17:33] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: I managed to get it working.... disabling interfaces
[17:33] <BluesKaj> strange
[17:33] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: I've upgraded to quantal the day precise was released :)
[17:34] <BluesKaj> did you do the change the name in the sources.list procedure/trick?
[17:36] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj:  ofc
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> there is no other way to upgrade, this soon
[17:40] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, sudo sed -i 's/precise/quantal/' /etc/apt/sources.list ? ...you realize that there can be some dependency problems if the repos aren't finished upgrading all the packages themselves
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: after working for a week?
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> on two diff laptops, on diff days, diff network and repos? :)
[17:47] <BluesKaj> really FernandoMiguel , hmm, maybe i should test it then , i have a spare HDD that i'm going to install inside my pc , maybe I'll try it on that
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> k
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> let me know what you find
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> I'll see if I can dig any logs and file a bug
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> maybe against NM
[17:49] <BluesKaj> well, I'm using ethernet , my house is totally wired with cat5
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> me too
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> at least on this one
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> on my office one it's wifi (broadcom)
[18:50] <BluesKaj> ..BBL