[01:33] <spiritech> hi
[01:34] <spiritech> if i am running compiz, metacity and cairo-dock is there any need for me to have gnome or unity desktop installed?
[01:40] <spiritech> ??
[01:42] <spiritech> do i even need metacity and compiz installed together?
[01:43] <spiritech> or can i just have compiz installed?
[01:46] <spiritech> well i am removing metacity and rebooting to find out. so fingers crossed.
[01:54] <spiritech> i have removed metacity and rebooted, all is still well. :)
[04:46] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping
[05:40] <mattt> morning
[05:49] <AlanBell> czajkowski: hi
[06:35] <popey> morning
[06:43] <AlanBell> morning
[06:43] <AlanBell> see you shortly popey
[06:43] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you at the aiprort?
[06:43]  * czajkowski is sitting in the ounge having a bacon roll 
[06:43] <AlanBell> 7czheading out now
[06:43] <AlanBell> nom
[06:44] <czajkowski> coolio
[06:45] <czajkowski> I start bording at 9:30
[06:45] <czajkowski> am on the upper deck on the virgin flight :D
[06:52] <popey> someone else went on the top deck and got seasick
[06:53] <czajkowski> really?
[06:53] <czajkowski> hmm fingers crossed so
[06:56] <dogmatic69> why does updates no longer require pw?
[06:57] <dogmatic69> second time now that I have not had to enter a pw to update
[06:57] <sagaci> it's likely that you recently entered your password
[06:57] <sagaci> thus it's not nagging you again
[06:59] <dogmatic69> no, just started up
[06:59] <dogmatic69> besides say a month back, even if I just entered it updates always required a pw
[07:00] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Update_Manager_doesn.27t_prompt_for_security_updates
[07:01] <dogmatic69> just found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1973069
[07:01] <dogmatic69> its only for installing now
[07:15] <popey> and so to bed
[07:16] <dogmatic69> anyone used gimp 2.8 on 12.04?
[07:19] <gord> oh oh, i have
[07:24] <dogmatic69> I just installed it
[07:24] <dogmatic69> the splash screen is nice. no single window :/
[07:24] <dogmatic69> I am dissapoint
[07:38] <dogmatic69> found the option \o/
[07:39] <gord> single window should be default really
[07:40] <dogmatic69> ye, I think they dont do that as people are used to the old way
[07:46]  * AlanBell is in the airport
[07:46] <AlanBell> playing where's wally looking for czajkowski
[07:47] <SuperEngineer> dogmatic69: [from the release notes] GIMP 2.8 introduces an optional single-window mode. You can toggle between the default multi-window mode and the new single-window mode through the Single-window mode checkbox in the Windows menu.
[07:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: boo
[07:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: where are you now?
[07:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: am gonna head to boots in 5 mins as need to get some stuff
[07:53] <AlanBell> czajkowski I was in dixons not buying stuff, I will try to find boots
[07:54] <czajkowski> ok
[07:56] <gord> AlanBell, czajkowski bring treats for gord! flumps!
[07:57] <AlanBell> if you make.hud work with orca :)
[07:58] <AlanBell> leverage is hreat
[08:01] <AlanBell> can't find boots. you are in T5 czajkowski?
[08:06] <tsimpson> an airport without a boots? such a thing can't exist!
[08:10] <AlanBell> I found boots, but czajkowski.is in T3!
[08:11] <tsimpson> at least you can both smell nice when you finally meet up
[08:25] <AlanBell> quit fragrant
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> flagrant?
[10:00] <jacobw> good morning
[12:05] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[12:07] <bigcalm> Hi MartijnVdS
[12:08] <bigcalm> How does one upgrade a 10.04 server to 12.04?
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> do-release-upgrade
[12:08] <bigcalm> Ta
[12:09] <bigcalm> iain@banana:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade
[12:09] <bigcalm> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[12:09] <bigcalm> No new release found
[12:09] <bigcalm> :S
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> which mirror are you using?
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> you may need to enable the 'updates' repository first as well
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> so you get post-release updates (non-security)
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> but I don't know that for sure
[12:12] <bigcalm> This is on my Bytemark VM. I thought they used their own mirrors, but sources.list seems to point at us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <brobostigon> i think there are more parameters, like -r
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I have 12.04 on mine :)
[12:21] <jacobw> they definately use their own mirrors
[12:26] <bigcalm> I can upgrade 10.04->10.10->11.04->11.10->12.04 by setting the Prompt in release-upgrades to normal
[12:26] <bigcalm> But leaving it set to lts gives me nothing :(
[12:27] <hamitron> is there a rush to upgrade a server?
[12:27] <hamitron> 3 years left
[12:27] <hamitron> :)
[12:28] <bigcalm> That's not helpful
[12:28] <hamitron> yeh :/
[12:32] <brobostigon> reckon my eeepc, will be able to boot off a usb dvd drive ?
[12:32] <bigcalm> Yes
[12:32] <brobostigon> :) yay
[12:45] <bigcalm> Ah, it's a known thingy
[12:46] <bigcalm> Will be able to do it with 12.04.1
[12:46]  * bigcalm waits until July then
[13:05] <azmodie> clear
[13:29] <bigcalm> Maybe it's time to attempt a 12.04 upgrade on my work station
[13:29] <bigcalm> It's that or get work done
[13:31] <penguin42> and we can't have that
[13:32] <bigcalm> It is Saturday
[13:32] <bigcalm> But I have so much to do (always so much to do)
[13:33] <bigcalm> Now chatting via my irssi proxy (rather than xchat) and I feel as though I'm back in 1997
[13:36]  * bigcalm notes that there isn't much chatting to be had
[13:58] <jacobw> i like irssi
[13:59]  * hamitron hates IRC.... seems to be a too gooda distraction
[14:00] <bigcalm> hamitron: if you don't like IRC, why are you using it?
[14:00] <hamitron> because it is good
[14:00] <hamitron> ;)
[14:01]  * bigcalm tuts at your confusion
[14:02] <hamitron> you've never talked on IRC instead of getting on with work that should be done?
[14:02] <hamitron> ;D
[14:03] <bigcalm> Everyday :)
[14:03] <bigcalm> Which is why some days I don't open xchat
[14:03] <hamitron> that is probably a good idea
[14:26] <bigcalm> Yay 12.04
[15:41] <popey> morning
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> popey: you'll have to talk louder - it appears nobody can hear you from there ;)
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> o/
[15:47] <popey> :þ
[16:06] <bigcalm> popey: HELLO!
[16:06] <popey> yo
[16:06] <bigcalm> What's new?
[16:09] <popey> breakfast was new
[16:09] <popey> until I ate it
[16:10] <bigcalm> Nandos and Avengers Assemble soon :D
[18:27] <simon__> Hi, I really need some help enlarging the pointer size on 12.04, I have followed this http://askubuntu.com/questions/126491/how-do-i-change-the-cursor-and-its-size and created a .Xresources but it wont work. It's an upgrade for a partially sighted person and this is a real show stopper... help?
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> simon__: did you do the update-alternatives thing/
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> simon__: then log out and back in again?
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> also, dconf-editor + logout/back in
[18:30] <DJones> simon__: This may well help http://askubuntu.com/questions/126491/how-do-i-change-the-cursor-and-its-size
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> DJones: he said he followed it
[18:30] <DJones> Ah yes, my eyes scrolled past that :)
[18:30] <simon__> yeah, thanks but it doesn't work
[18:31] <simon__> i have been so full of praise for ubuntu but this is really frustrating, it should be such a simple thing
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> can you make sure both settings are done?
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> also.. .Xresources? That's _old_
[18:32] <simon__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxfa2fXJ1Wc
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> that guy doesn't know what he's talking about
[18:33] <simon__> ^ that vid says you need to use .Xresources too
[18:33] <simon__> oh right
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> nvidia?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> can you put the output of the "update-alternatives" command on pastebin?
[18:34] <simon__> sure
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> Also, tell us what's in the "cursor-size" and cursor-theme dconf settings?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> (capitalization is important)
[18:36] <daftykins> that's pretty shocking that it's not just in GUI settings
[18:36] <simon__> http://pastebin.com/GA1x0bLc
[18:36] <simon__> ^ there's my update-alternatives
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> simon__: did the cursor colour change to black?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> simon__: after logging out and back in?
[18:36] <simon__> yes
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> OK so that bit works
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> and the dconf keys?
[18:37] <simon__> then I loaded dconf Editor and go 'org.gnome.desktop.interface'
[18:38] <simon__> cursor-size 64
[18:38] <simon__> and cursor-theme DMZ-Black
[18:39] <simon__> one of them is working because when I load firefox the cursor suddenly gets bigger
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a bug to me
[18:39] <simon__> I think that's the dconf
[18:39] <daftykins> was there a fix for that blue colours in videos online thing?
[18:39] <daftykins> or was it just nvidia drivers
[18:39] <daftykins> someone asking in #ubuntu
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: that's just nvidia being poo (as always)
[18:40] <daftykins> i'll bet it's more OSS changing things and them being expected to catch up ;D
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: they don't even do xrandr yet!
[18:41] <daftykins> only time i've used that is to rotate a screen :>
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: sure the tool.. but the "multiple displays" bit also uses that
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> "2 desktop monitors", "laptop at a conference/presentation"
[18:42] <daftykins> tool?
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> command-line tool
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> xrandr
[18:42] <daftykins> oh as in you're saying what i already knew, that i used it directly rather than that nvidia haven't caught up to make their GUI tools make use of it?
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> but the extension is also used by the graphical "set up monitors/resolution" bit
[18:43] <daftykins> yarr
[18:43] <simon__> ok I'm going to try a few changes and reboot etc. see if some combination of cursor will work, thanks for the help
[18:43] <daftykins> oh wells
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> simon__: if you can't get it to work, please file a bug
[18:44] <simon__> I will, that's 3 serious bugs for accessibility to report, two of which were fine in 11.04!
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> :(
[18:45] <simon__> (the menu on the far right with all the shut down options etc. disappears if you use high contrast)
[18:45] <spiritech> hi
[18:46] <spiritech> can anyone tell me the best options for running compiz and cairo dock?
[19:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Oakland Ubuntu Folks: Severed Fifth Playing Tonight - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/05/oakland-ubuntu-folks-severed-fifth-playing-tonight/
[20:04] <MooDoo> hello all
[20:05] <jacobw> hi
[21:05] <martii> :)
[21:05] <martii> hi
[21:12] <yothsoggoth> hello
[21:16] <martii> :) is any of you having amd a4 based laptop?
[21:16] <martii> I just installed Precise and my HP 4535s seems to be much too noisy
[21:44] <mattt> evening
[22:00] <jacobw> evenage
[22:44] <czajkowski> gord: I've tea bags and digestives
[22:45] <penguin42> chocolate digestives?
[22:47] <czajkowski> no plain of course for dunking
[22:52] <penguin42> czajkowski: I'll admit to being neither a tea drinker or dunker; but wouldn't a thin slightly plasticy layer on your digestive allow you to dunk for longer without the biscuit falling to bits?
[22:56] <czajkowski> nope
[22:56] <czajkowski> heavier
[22:56] <czajkowski> dunks and falls in
[22:58] <penguin42> hmm
[22:58]  * penguin42 suspects that depends on the temperature of your tea
[23:02]  * yothsoggoth thinks that it's all about practice; timing is everything with biscuit dunking!
[23:04]  * hamitron likes to dunk chocolate digestives
[23:07] <yothsoggoth> seems pretty quiet on here tonight
[23:09] <czajkowski> lots of folks asleep or travellingor in the usa
[23:10] <yothsoggoth> good point, I didn't realise the time!
[23:44] <AlanBell> hi all
[23:44] <AlanBell> gosh is that the time!
[23:51] <penguin42> AlanBell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-16638217  not this Alan Bell?
[23:51] <AlanBell> an imposter!
[23:54] <penguin42> AlanBell: Well, you could go and do some timing....
[23:56] <AlanBell> I might end up doing something
[23:56] <AlanBell> they have interviewed me but not assigned any task yet
[23:56] <AlanBell> I might get a few jobs driving a BMW around London or something
[23:56] <penguin42> we'll know it's you if the 100m is won in 13.37 seconds