[01:33] hi [01:34] if i am running compiz, metacity and cairo-dock is there any need for me to have gnome or unity desktop installed? [01:40] ?? [01:42] do i even need metacity and compiz installed together? [01:43] or can i just have compiz installed? [01:46] well i am removing metacity and rebooting to find out. so fingers crossed. [01:54] i have removed metacity and rebooted, all is still well. :) [04:46] AlanBell: ping [05:40] morning [05:49] czajkowski: hi [06:35] morning [06:43] morning [06:43] see you shortly popey [06:43] AlanBell: you at the aiprort? [06:43] * czajkowski is sitting in the ounge having a bacon roll [06:43] 7czheading out now [06:43] nom [06:44] coolio [06:45] I start bording at 9:30 [06:45] am on the upper deck on the virgin flight :D [06:52] someone else went on the top deck and got seasick [06:53] really? [06:53] hmm fingers crossed so [06:56] why does updates no longer require pw? [06:57] second time now that I have not had to enter a pw to update [06:57] it's likely that you recently entered your password [06:57] thus it's not nagging you again [06:59] no, just started up [06:59] besides say a month back, even if I just entered it updates always required a pw [07:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Update_Manager_doesn.27t_prompt_for_security_updates [07:01] just found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1973069 [07:01] its only for installing now [07:15] and so to bed [07:16] anyone used gimp 2.8 on 12.04? [07:19] oh oh, i have [07:24] I just installed it [07:24] the splash screen is nice. no single window :/ [07:24] I am dissapoint [07:38] found the option \o/ [07:39] single window should be default really [07:40] ye, I think they dont do that as people are used to the old way [07:46] * AlanBell is in the airport [07:46] playing where's wally looking for czajkowski [07:47] dogmatic69: [from the release notes] GIMP 2.8 introduces an optional single-window mode. You can toggle between the default multi-window mode and the new single-window mode through the Single-window mode checkbox in the Windows menu. [07:49] AlanBell: boo [07:49] AlanBell: where are you now? [07:49] AlanBell: am gonna head to boots in 5 mins as need to get some stuff [07:53] czajkowski I was in dixons not buying stuff, I will try to find boots [07:54] ok [07:56] AlanBell, czajkowski bring treats for gord! flumps! [07:57] if you make.hud work with orca :) [07:58] leverage is hreat [08:01] can't find boots. you are in T5 czajkowski? [08:06] an airport without a boots? such a thing can't exist! [08:10] I found boots, but czajkowski.is in T3! [08:11] at least you can both smell nice when you finally meet up [08:25] quit fragrant [08:31] flagrant? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:00] good morning === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:05] Good afternoon peeps :) [12:06] \o [12:07] Hi MartijnVdS [12:08] How does one upgrade a 10.04 server to 12.04? [12:08] do-release-upgrade [12:08] Ta [12:09] iain@banana:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade [12:09] Checking for a new ubuntu release [12:09] No new release found [12:09] :S [12:10] which mirror are you using? [12:10] you may need to enable the 'updates' repository first as well [12:10] so you get post-release updates (non-security) [12:10] but I don't know that for sure [12:12] This is on my Bytemark VM. I thought they used their own mirrors, but sources.list seems to point at us.archive.ubuntu.com [12:12] i think there are more parameters, like -r [12:12] bigcalm: I have 12.04 on mine :) [12:21] they definately use their own mirrors [12:26] I can upgrade 10.04->10.10->11.04->11.10->12.04 by setting the Prompt in release-upgrades to normal [12:26] But leaving it set to lts gives me nothing :( [12:27] is there a rush to upgrade a server? [12:27] 3 years left [12:27] :) [12:28] That's not helpful [12:28] yeh :/ [12:32] reckon my eeepc, will be able to boot off a usb dvd drive ? [12:32] Yes [12:32] :) yay [12:45] Ah, it's a known thingy [12:46] Will be able to do it with 12.04.1 [12:46] * bigcalm waits until July then [13:05] clear [13:29] Maybe it's time to attempt a 12.04 upgrade on my work station [13:29] It's that or get work done [13:31] and we can't have that [13:32] It is Saturday [13:32] But I have so much to do (always so much to do) [13:33] Now chatting via my irssi proxy (rather than xchat) and I feel as though I'm back in 1997 [13:36] * bigcalm notes that there isn't much chatting to be had [13:58] i like irssi [13:59] * hamitron hates IRC.... seems to be a too gooda distraction [14:00] hamitron: if you don't like IRC, why are you using it? [14:00] because it is good [14:00] ;) [14:01] * bigcalm tuts at your confusion [14:02] you've never talked on IRC instead of getting on with work that should be done? [14:02] ;D [14:03] Everyday :) [14:03] Which is why some days I don't open xchat [14:03] that is probably a good idea [14:26] Yay 12.04 [15:41] morning [15:44] popey: you'll have to talk louder - it appears nobody can hear you from there ;) [15:44] o/ [15:47] :þ [16:06] popey: HELLO! [16:06] yo [16:06] What's new? [16:09] breakfast was new [16:09] until I ate it [16:10] Nandos and Avengers Assemble soon :D === azmodie-[away] is now known as azmodie === daftykin1 is now known as daftykins [18:27] Hi, I really need some help enlarging the pointer size on 12.04, I have followed this http://askubuntu.com/questions/126491/how-do-i-change-the-cursor-and-its-size and created a .Xresources but it wont work. It's an upgrade for a partially sighted person and this is a real show stopper... help? [18:29] simon__: did you do the update-alternatives thing/ [18:29] simon__: then log out and back in again? [18:30] also, dconf-editor + logout/back in [18:30] simon__: This may well help http://askubuntu.com/questions/126491/how-do-i-change-the-cursor-and-its-size [18:30] DJones: he said he followed it [18:30] Ah yes, my eyes scrolled past that :) [18:30] yeah, thanks but it doesn't work [18:31] i have been so full of praise for ubuntu but this is really frustrating, it should be such a simple thing [18:32] can you make sure both settings are done? [18:32] also.. .Xresources? That's _old_ [18:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxfa2fXJ1Wc [18:33] that guy doesn't know what he's talking about [18:33] ^ that vid says you need to use .Xresources too [18:33] oh right [18:33] ah [18:33] nvidia? [18:34] can you put the output of the "update-alternatives" command on pastebin? [18:34] sure [18:34] Also, tell us what's in the "cursor-size" and cursor-theme dconf settings? [18:34] (capitalization is important) [18:36] that's pretty shocking that it's not just in GUI settings [18:36] http://pastebin.com/GA1x0bLc [18:36] ^ there's my update-alternatives [18:36] simon__: did the cursor colour change to black? [18:36] simon__: after logging out and back in? [18:36] yes [18:36] OK so that bit works [18:37] and the dconf keys? [18:37] then I loaded dconf Editor and go 'org.gnome.desktop.interface' [18:38] cursor-size 64 [18:38] and cursor-theme DMZ-Black [18:39] one of them is working because when I load firefox the cursor suddenly gets bigger [18:39] sounds like a bug to me [18:39] I think that's the dconf [18:39] was there a fix for that blue colours in videos online thing? [18:39] or was it just nvidia drivers [18:39] someone asking in #ubuntu [18:40] daftykins: that's just nvidia being poo (as always) [18:40] i'll bet it's more OSS changing things and them being expected to catch up ;D [18:40] daftykins: they don't even do xrandr yet! [18:41] only time i've used that is to rotate a screen :> [18:41] daftykins: sure the tool.. but the "multiple displays" bit also uses that [18:42] "2 desktop monitors", "laptop at a conference/presentation" [18:42] tool? [18:42] command-line tool [18:42] xrandr [18:42] oh as in you're saying what i already knew, that i used it directly rather than that nvidia haven't caught up to make their GUI tools make use of it? [18:42] but the extension is also used by the graphical "set up monitors/resolution" bit [18:43] yarr [18:43] ok I'm going to try a few changes and reboot etc. see if some combination of cursor will work, thanks for the help [18:43] oh wells [18:44] simon__: if you can't get it to work, please file a bug [18:44] I will, that's 3 serious bugs for accessibility to report, two of which were fine in 11.04! [18:44] :( [18:45] (the menu on the far right with all the shut down options etc. disappears if you use high contrast) [18:45] hi [18:46] can anyone tell me the best options for running compiz and cairo dock? [19:03] [Jono Bacon] Oakland Ubuntu Folks: Severed Fifth Playing Tonight - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/05/oakland-ubuntu-folks-severed-fifth-playing-tonight/ [20:04] hello all [20:05] hi [21:05] :) [21:05] hi [21:12] hello [21:16] :) is any of you having amd a4 based laptop? [21:16] I just installed Precise and my HP 4535s seems to be much too noisy [21:44] evening [22:00] evenage [22:44] gord: I've tea bags and digestives [22:45] chocolate digestives? [22:47] no plain of course for dunking [22:52] czajkowski: I'll admit to being neither a tea drinker or dunker; but wouldn't a thin slightly plasticy layer on your digestive allow you to dunk for longer without the biscuit falling to bits? [22:56] nope [22:56] heavier [22:56] dunks and falls in [22:58] hmm [22:58] * penguin42 suspects that depends on the temperature of your tea [23:02] * yothsoggoth thinks that it's all about practice; timing is everything with biscuit dunking! [23:04] * hamitron likes to dunk chocolate digestives [23:07] seems pretty quiet on here tonight [23:09] lots of folks asleep or travellingor in the usa [23:10] good point, I didn't realise the time! [23:44] hi all [23:44] gosh is that the time! [23:51] AlanBell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-16638217 not this Alan Bell? [23:51] an imposter! [23:54] AlanBell: Well, you could go and do some timing.... [23:56] I might end up doing something [23:56] they have interviewed me but not assigned any task yet [23:56] I might get a few jobs driving a BMW around London or something [23:56] we'll know it's you if the 100m is won in 13.37 seconds