[12:29] <dscassel> Jeruvy: Re: raymound, I sympathize, but the mailing list is intended to be a support channel.
[12:30] <dscassel> Although he does post off-topic crap from time to time, I Don't think his recent posts qualify.
[13:25] <FiReSTaRT> hey darcy
[13:26] <FiReSTaRT> i haven't had the spare time to really look at the mailing list but i do remember lots of mail coming in from raymond.. what happened there?
[13:27] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: Jeruvy sent a email to Raymond off-list asking him to ease up on posts not related to the Ubuntu community in Canada.
[13:28] <FiReSTaRT> ahh ok.. the mailing list has a purpose.. forums and the irc (off-topic channels or less formal communities) are better for OT stuff
[13:29] <dscassel> Raymond replied *on*-list with a "I thought the list was for getting help"
[13:29] <dscassel> And, like I said, it *is* as support list.  But yeah, Raymond kinda gets on my nerves too, sometimes.
[13:30] <FiReSTaRT> it is for getting help as long as it's ON TOPIC
[13:30] <dscassel> Yeah. And he has been, for the most part.
[13:31] <FiReSTaRT> ok good, so the issue has been resolved?
[13:31] <dscassel> There's occasional off-topic stuff (like what Microsoft is doing), but I think that tends to be Chris more than raymond.
[13:31] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: Well, no.  I should probably write an email to the list saying what I believe to be off-topic and on-.  Since I'm moderator and all.
[13:31] <dscassel> But otherwise, yeah.
[13:32] <FiReSTaRT> not a bad idea at all and that's gonna be something i'll make the time for reading :)
[13:33] <FiReSTaRT> btw have you tried playing with cinnamon? not a bad little de at all.. yeah a few bugs and glitches, but it sure beats gs and u :)
[13:33] <dscassel> One of the guys at the release party was using it so I saw it.
[13:34] <FiReSTaRT> once they squash a few bugs i see pressure to release CUbuntu in the cards :)
[13:34] <dscassel> *shrug*, I like unity, m'self.  I've never been a fan of the win95 UI paradigm.
[13:35] <FiReSTaRT> since the early days, i'
[13:35] <FiReSTaRT> i've always had my things organized, so i got well-adjusted to wimp
[13:35] <FiReSTaRT> switching over to the tablet paradigm took the carpet right from under me
[13:36] <dscassel> But I was an Amiga user.  I came to WIndows reluctantly around '99.
[13:36] <FiReSTaRT> i know that tablets and appliances are the fastest growing segment and why mark would wanna cater to them
[13:36] <FiReSTaRT> i left dos kicking and screaming lol
[13:36] <dscassel> I don't see unity as a tablet UI, particularly as keyboard shortcuts are so prominent and central (even if they do keep changing them. :/)
[13:37] <FiReSTaRT> clem did a pretty decent job with mgse so it had the right amount of keyboard and mouse use to maintain the workflow
[13:38] <FiReSTaRT> but didn't like chasing after the gnome hippies' so he decided to fork it... not a bad idea at all, especially if he can steal some of their more competent devs
[13:38] <dscassel> He's doing something people want and like, so more power to him, really.
[13:38] <dscassel> That's what free software's all about.
[13:39] <FiReSTaRT> exactly... and i don't bash people for liking unity... everybody has their own way of doing things and that's what's so great about floss
[13:39] <FiReSTaRT> got a need? you're free to scratch the itch :)
[13:40] <FiReSTaRT> what i'm not so sure about is that they'
[13:40] <FiReSTaRT> re considering switching over from ubuntu to debian base
[13:40] <FiReSTaRT> yes, better stability, but hardware  support would be slow in coming
[13:42] <dscassel> I'm sure basing a distro off Ubuntu has gotten to be a pain.  A lot of stuff is being touched now in a 6 month cycle.
[13:44] <dscassel> Hopefully that'll improve now that Ubuntu people are off working in unity or whatever, but I probably wouldn't be so optimistic if i was maintaining a derivitive distro.
[13:46] <FiReSTaRT> ubuntu has historically had an aggressive dev schedule, which is not a bad thing as long as the LTS editions were kept rock solid. sadly, my favourite ubuntu releases haven't been lts
[13:47] <FiReSTaRT> and there was too much new stuff released into the lts and then there was the scramble to hunt the bugs
[13:48] <dscassel> Time will tell, but I'm pretty impressed with 12.04 so far.
[13:49] <FiReSTaRT> i had trouble installing the lubuntu version in virtual box... the install process kept crashing the virtual appliance for some reason
[13:49] <FiReSTaRT> and i REALLY wanted to switch to it (just need a virtual appliance to connect to the vpn, run terminal, run twinkle, run nx)d
[13:49] <FiReSTaRT> cross out the "d" at the end :P
[13:50] <FiReSTaRT> my current appliance is running maverick and i'd like something i can update
[13:52] <FiReSTaRT> my buddy told me the 32bit version should be more stable and less buggy but the 32bit nx client has some issues, i forget what they were, but i couldn't work with it
[13:55] <FiReSTaRT> btw any idea if they made xubuntu more gtk theme-friendly?
[14:02] <dscassel> No idea.  I wasn't even aware there were problems. What doesn't work?
[14:03] <FiReSTaRT> ok, initially i was running mint (lisa) with xfce installed.. had a few dark gtk themes that i liked, so i installed them and used them normally
[14:04] <FiReSTaRT> then i figured, since i'm already using xfce, why not just go with xubuntu
[14:04] <FiReSTaRT> also keeps less junk installed on my system
[14:04] <FiReSTaRT> for some reason, now i forget, whether it completely failed to recognize them or just didn't display everything properly
[14:05] <FiReSTaRT> but they were completely unuseable
[14:06] <FiReSTaRT> the only thing i haven't tried was installing another ubuntu release like kubuntu (worked resonably nicely in 11.10), lubuntu or regular, installing xfce on top of it and testing the themes
[14:06] <FiReSTaRT> brb stepping out for a smoke :)
[14:15] <FiReSTaRT> back