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| hads | morning | 19:57 |
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| ibeardslee | morning | 19:59 |
| ojwb | morning | 20:47 |
| chilts | morning :) | 21:01 |
| ibeardslee | ohh looks like ZaReason NZ is going to be in Wellington | 21:03 |
| mwhudson | woot | 21:12 |
| mwhudson | laptop refresh bonus in a year, sounds like a deadline to me | 21:13 |
| mwhudson | morning | 21:18 |
| chilts | mwhudson: what does that mean, "laptop refresh bonus"? | 21:33 |
| mwhudson | chilts: canonical doesn't supply hardware, we have to provide our own laptops | 21:33 |
| mwhudson | every three years we get a bit extra to help buying a new one | 21:33 |
| chilts | oh right, well I guess you're all contracting aye? | 21:34 |
| chilts | rather than being employed | 21:34 |
| chilts | but yeah, that's nice they give you a top-up :) | 21:34 |
| mwhudson | well in nz sure, but canonical has employees in some countries | 21:34 |
| mwhudson | uk, us, france, probably others | 21:34 |
| chilts | sorry, I meant NZ-centric peoples :) | 21:34 |
| mwhudson | but the same is true for employees anyway :) | 21:35 |
| chilts | that's interesting that even employees have to provide their own | 21:36 |
| ajmitch | morning | 21:36 |
| lifeless | contractor is a vague term :) | 21:39 |
| lifeless | 'employee contract' | 21:39 |
| ibeardslee | actually employees have agreements, not contracts | 21:40 |
| mwhudson | i think there's a pretty definite difference between employee and contractor | 21:41 |
| mwhudson | but canonical tries very hard to treat all it's 'workers' the same way | 21:41 |
| chilts | right, I guess it's just 'coz they don't have a subsidiary/company in NZ | 21:41 |
| mwhudson | seeing as it's basically just an accident of geography as to which you are | 21:41 |
| chilts | right | 21:41 |
| lifeless | in .au, for instance, if you get more than 80% of your income from one source | 21:42 |
| lifeless | you're considered an employee | 21:42 |
| lifeless | regardless of what you and they claim | 21:42 |
| mwhudson | huh | 21:42 |
| mwhudson | how does that work if the source has to presence in .au? | 21:43 |
| chilts | lifeless: they're looking at doing that here too aye? | 21:43 |
| mwhudson | *no | 21:43 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: when you conduct business in a country you become liable for their tax laws etc | 21:44 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: for Canonical specifically, we have a payroll agent in .au (something we stopped doing as we grew, but since .au was the second country to /get/ workers ... | 21:45 |
| mwhudson | ah | 21:45 |
| lifeless | nevertheless being an employee then has bearing on payroll tax, insurance and the like | 21:45 |
| lifeless | so the reason for doing this is to close loopholes where companies would get right up against a tax threshold, then get lots of 'contractors' to keep under it. | 21:46 |
| lifeless | chilts: I don't know, perhaps. It makes sense to me if they do. | 21:46 |
| lifeless | chilts: I'm still paid in .au, so my situation is different again :) | 21:46 |
| chilts | are you located in NZ though? | 21:46 |
| lifeless | sure am | 21:48 |
| chilts | heh, confusing :) | 21:49 |
| lifeless | its fairly straight forward | 21:49 |
| lifeless | I work for Canonical, they pay me in .au, I do a tax return in .au and .nz, and get a tax credit in .nz for tax paid in .au. | 21:50 |
| * ajmitch just spotted thomi here at UDS, wonder if thumper is around today | 21:50 | |
| lifeless | I have pending paperwork to rejigger this to be like other .nz folk, but its fairly low pri. | 21:50 |
| lifeless | vs $other-stuff-to-do | 21:50 |
| kcj | Morning. | 21:51 |
| mwhudson | ajmitch: should be | 21:54 |
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