=== ojwb is now known as Guest38267 === Guest38267 is now known as ojwb [19:57] morning [19:59] morning [20:47] morning [21:01] morning :) [21:03] ohh looks like ZaReason NZ is going to be in Wellington [21:12] woot [21:13] laptop refresh bonus in a year, sounds like a deadline to me [21:18] morning [21:33] mwhudson: what does that mean, "laptop refresh bonus"? [21:33] chilts: canonical doesn't supply hardware, we have to provide our own laptops [21:33] every three years we get a bit extra to help buying a new one [21:34] oh right, well I guess you're all contracting aye? [21:34] rather than being employed [21:34] but yeah, that's nice they give you a top-up :) [21:34] well in nz sure, but canonical has employees in some countries [21:34] uk, us, france, probably others [21:34] sorry, I meant NZ-centric peoples :) [21:35] but the same is true for employees anyway :) [21:36] that's interesting that even employees have to provide their own [21:36] morning [21:39] contractor is a vague term :) [21:39] 'employee contract' [21:40] actually employees have agreements, not contracts [21:41] i think there's a pretty definite difference between employee and contractor [21:41] but canonical tries very hard to treat all it's 'workers' the same way [21:41] right, I guess it's just 'coz they don't have a subsidiary/company in NZ [21:41] seeing as it's basically just an accident of geography as to which you are [21:41] right [21:42] in .au, for instance, if you get more than 80% of your income from one source [21:42] you're considered an employee [21:42] regardless of what you and they claim [21:42] huh [21:43] how does that work if the source has to presence in .au? [21:43] lifeless: they're looking at doing that here too aye? [21:43] *no [21:44] mwhudson: when you conduct business in a country you become liable for their tax laws etc [21:45] mwhudson: for Canonical specifically, we have a payroll agent in .au (something we stopped doing as we grew, but since .au was the second country to /get/ workers ... [21:45] ah [21:45] nevertheless being an employee then has bearing on payroll tax, insurance and the like [21:46] so the reason for doing this is to close loopholes where companies would get right up against a tax threshold, then get lots of 'contractors' to keep under it. [21:46] chilts: I don't know, perhaps. It makes sense to me if they do. [21:46] chilts: I'm still paid in .au, so my situation is different again :) [21:46] are you located in NZ though? [21:48] sure am [21:49] heh, confusing :) [21:49] its fairly straight forward [21:50] I work for Canonical, they pay me in .au, I do a tax return in .au and .nz, and get a tax credit in .nz for tax paid in .au. [21:50] * ajmitch just spotted thomi here at UDS, wonder if thumper is around today [21:50] I have pending paperwork to rejigger this to be like other .nz folk, but its fairly low pri. [21:50] vs $other-stuff-to-do [21:51] Morning. [21:54] ajmitch: should be