[00:00] <AlanBell> lol
[00:19] <OmNomDePlume> AlanBell, my Welsh friend.
[00:19] <OmNomDePlume> Are you following the snooker?
[00:23] <ali1234> why does vlc have an indicator?
[00:24] <ali1234> and when they were designing it, why did they think it would be a good idea to include a control for playback speed?
[00:54] <gord> i would assume vlc has an indicator because it had a system tray icon
[02:38] <AlanBell> well I think I have stayed up long enough now
[02:55]  * Laney phases back in
[06:45] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> howdy, Knightwise
[06:57] <popey>   morning
[06:57] <MartijnVdS> evening popey
[07:03] <Knightwise> popey: Can i book you for an interview on a wednesday evening ?
[07:03] <Knightwise> I've been chasing and staling you for quite some time :p
[07:03] <Knightwise> hey MartijnVdS good morning
[07:11] <popey> Knightwise: hey, tricky, i am in oakland, so evening for you is daytime for me
[07:28] <Knightwise> i was thinking somewhere wednesday , in two weeks ,
[07:28] <popey> oh sorry
[07:29] <popey> thought you meant this wednesday
[07:29] <popey> sure
[07:29] <popey> and now bed
[07:29] <Knightwise> how about :  Sunday the 13th at 9am
[07:29] <Knightwise> OR
[07:30] <Knightwise> Wednesday the 23rd between 1900 and 2200 hours (i'm gmt plus 1)
[09:17] <mattt> morning
[09:20] <mattt> pretty interesting blog post: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/05/05/python-faq-webdev/
[09:35] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:43] <jacobw> good morning brobostigon
[09:43] <brobostigon> good morning jacobw
[09:45]  * jacobw is digesting this week's political occurances
[09:45] <brobostigon> the start of the con-dem downfall, yes.
[09:46] <jacobw> i was distressed by seeing a link of google news to a telegraph article entitled 'how boris johnson could become to next conservative prime minister'
[09:47] <brobostigon> that would be funny, him pm.
[09:47] <SuperEngineer> or as Mark Shuttlewoth said: "We know that we are sort of dancing naked through a minefield and there are much bigger institutions driving tanks through,"
[09:47] <jacobw> i was like, 'what?! i've been out of the UK for a few days, what's happening?!'
[09:47] <tsimpson> boris would never become PM, we only take a joke so far ;)
[09:48] <jacobw> hehe
[09:48] <brobostigon> yeah :)
[10:27] <mattt> that'd be downright scary :(
[10:27] <mattt> boris being PM is a bit like GWB being president
[10:27] <mattt> and no one needs to see that again
[10:32] <jacobw> it would be embarrassing
[10:45] <gordonjcp> how do I get the thing that lets me enter a path up, in the file viewer in 12.04?
[10:54] <ali1234> press ctrl-l
[10:55] <gordonjcp> ali1234: ah, thanks
[10:55] <gordonjcp> it's annoying that the thing on the toolbar is gone
[11:41] <jacobw> quantal
[11:41] <jacobw> i like it
[11:49] <AlanBell> morning all
[12:17] <Flashtek> what an annoying buglet that was..
[12:18] <Flashtek> kernel issue stopped my WiFi from working... which meant I was unable to upgrade the kernel via WiFi to fix the problem to get WiFi working to upgrade to fix the problem to......
[12:18] <Flashtek> good job I have ethernet available on this laptop too...
[12:56] <maddog320> hello
[13:01] <Flashtek> hey maddog320
[13:02] <ali1234> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=e4bfd2ff060b89b2b7119bcb6a5c6bfb02815601
[13:03] <ali1234> considering that was only fixed yesterday, why can't i reproduce it in ubuntu?
[13:11] <maddog320> hi all
[13:18] <gordonjcp> christel: happy birthday, btw!
[13:35] <Neoti_Laptop> hello all.... been a while.. hows peeps
[14:03]  * SuperEngineer  breathes deep sigh of relief -after yonks of me asking "why not" - my sister has just "converted" her netbook to Ubuntu
[14:04] <SuperEngineer>  ...next stop -the desktop pooter
[14:04]  * SuperEngineer develops evil plan
[15:19] <SuperEngineer> ssshhhhhh .... gosh - the channel is quiet today
[15:21]  * dogmatic69 bangs some pots
[15:21]  * DJones lets off the fire alarm.... Everybody out
[15:22] <SuperEngineer> run! oops - sorry - walk calmly to nearest exit
[15:24] <SuperEngineer> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17916879   BBC short interview with Mark Shuttleworth - good reading
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> but don't read it till you've calmly waled to nearest exit & left the building
[15:58] <currymonster> Anybody know how to change default boot entry in grub?
[16:10] <popey> morning
[16:13] <tombrough> pre grub 2 default =
[16:13] <tombrough> post grub 2 set default =
[16:13] <currymonster> tombrough: where do i find the config file?
[16:13] <tombrough> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:14] <currymonster> cheers
[16:14] <tombrough> if its ubuntu
[16:14] <currymonster> yup it's ubuntu
[16:14] <tombrough> good luck ;-)
[16:15] <currymonster> ty
[16:19] <currymonster> damm i cant figure it out
[16:20] <currymonster> unless
[16:21] <DJones> currymonster: I've not used this, just found it be searching, but sounds a fair bit simpler https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StartUpManager
[16:21] <currymonster> DJones: thanks, i'll try that
[16:22] <DJones> I can't seem to find it for 12.04 though
[16:23] <yothsoggoth> Perhaps this will be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Configuring_GRUB_2
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> DJones: I used to use StartUpmanager a lobng time ago - till I found [the hard way] what happens when the original option you chose changed to a different image - system fail -reinstal grub from live Cd needed
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> *long
[16:26] <DJones> SuperEngineer: From what I can see, it went out of fashion when grub1 went of fashion
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> DJones: it certainly is out of fashion... I'm glad.
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> but grub is still cool
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> disclaimer - "other boot managers are available"
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> guffaw
[16:29] <Flashtek> tombrough = the tombrough I know from  #DCLUG ?
[16:29]  * SuperEngineer is glad to hear it's not in 12.04 repsitory
[16:31] <currymonster> brb
[16:38] <jacobw> lilo is really old now
[16:39] <moreati> but it's heavily patched, so it doesn't leak
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> How to regain control of the panel's notification area in 12.04 http://imagebin.org/211313  ;)
[16:48] <jacobw> yes, there's a whitelist of applications that can display system tray icons
[16:49] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: [no white list needed] just dconf editor and 5 taps of a keyboeard ;)
[16:52] <jacobw> systray-whitelist ['update-notifier','foo','bar']
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> dconf editor 'all'
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> simples
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> 'all' being added to correct key of course
[16:54] <jacobw> yus
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... found a new bug in bug in 12.04 screen display - I can see it walking across screen now - its got wings as well!
[16:59] <SuperEngineer> new bug fixing method - blow at bug - it flies away ;)
[17:00] <penguin42> ah yes, a mobile ,
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> cruel tricks time [popy's away in USA]... you post a single liner that says....
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> OMG - Minecraft's been bought by Microsoft  and closed down!
[17:06]  * SuperEngineer sniggers
[17:07] <penguin42> OMG - Rhythmbox in QQ only plays Jonathan Cage
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> [yeh, cruel I know]
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> Google has blacklisted Mark Shuttleworth!
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> [or is that just too cruel for a popey to read when jetlag goes]
[17:09] <penguin42> hehe
[17:10] <DJones> popey: Like the photo you posted of a Quetzal on twitter
[17:11] <SuperEngineer> http://twitter.com/popey/status/199183386512850944/photo/1
[17:12] <DJones> And for all you Pi fans http://themagpi.wordpress.com/ popey TheOpenSourcerer  etc
[17:15] <SuperEngineer> And for allyou fans of good quotes [MarkShuttleworth in BBC News interview]....
[17:15] <SuperEngineer> We know that we are sort of dancing naked through a minefield and there are much bigger institutions driving tanks through”
[17:15] <DJones> SuperEngineer: I thought that was a wonderful line
[17:16]  * SuperEngineer goes looking for a minefield - feels like doing some naked dancing
[17:16]  * DJones passes the mind bleach around
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:45] <arsen> here's an interesting one - anyone have any experience of setting up a webcam security system? like one or two webcams, hooked up to some simple ubuntu box, rsyncing images to a web server every min or something?
[17:47] <DJones> arsen: I set up a live webcam using "motion" a few years back, that worked reasonably well, I didn't do any syncing to a webserver, but I hgad access via a web browser
[17:48] <DJones> !mn Star Wars - [The Clone Wars - Secret Missions 01] - Breakout Squad, by Ryder Windham (epub).rar
[17:48] <DJones> !mn Star Wars - [The Clone Wars - Secret Missions 02] - Curse of the Black Hole Pirates, by Ryder Windham (epub).rarUgh
[17:48] <DJones> arsen: There's also this that may help http://popey.com/blog/2010/12/20/my-ubuntu-webcam-setup/
[17:49] <arsen> DJones   - yeah i read something about that
[17:49] <arsen> oh cool.
[17:49] <DJones> Thats the right cut & paste
[17:49] <arsen> basically my parents are building a house, i fancied setting up a webcam to do security on site, and also for later on to do a timelapse video :)
[17:49] <arsen> the site has internet, which is abnormal, so i figure some small machine (pogoplug or something?) plus a webcam or two, and rsync to my webserver for watching! :)
[17:51] <DJones> Sounds an interesting project
[17:51] <arsen> yeah, figure it could be fun
[17:52] <arsen> there's a site office (a little pikey trailer..) with internet, gona see what i can whip up, get it setup and running and courier it to them to plug and go!
[17:53] <DJones> Heh, sombody will probably point the camera in the onsite toilet :)
[17:53] <arsen> likely.
[17:53] <arsen> gona get two, one facing the house so i can get criminals and a timelapse of the house going up
[17:54] <arsen> and one of the entrance :d
[17:54] <arsen> be nice if i can goto the house's website and view its progress too.
[18:10] <arsen> looks like popey has done exactly what i was aiming for.
[18:11] <arsen> could probably add an rsync / cron delete to clean up archived and ensure it's backed up elsewhere.
[18:13] <arsen> so now i need some hardware!
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> the answer is not always in the bottom of a beer glass - sometimes it is! - drink plenty - you will eventually find that glass with the answer at the bottom ;-)
[18:35] <arsen> so a dreamplug and logitech c910 :D
[18:35] <arsen> sounds cool.
[18:35] <arsen> dreamplug is awesome, can deffo see some uses for that afterwards!
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> ...but a Ubuntu glass is likely to have that answer at the bottomm of the 1st glass ;0
[19:17] <awilkins> Anyone else already getting flash content that refuses to play on the latest available Flash player?
[19:18] <penguin42> haven't seen any, but most of mine is youtube
[19:20] <DJones> awilkins: have you got an example website
[19:20] <awilkins> https://drive.google.com/start#home
[19:21] <awilkins> I also keep getting pages on the register downloading the SWF files instead of playing ads
[19:21] <DJones> That works for me
[19:21] <awilkins> Hmm.
[19:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> And me.
[19:21] <penguin42> fine here
[19:21] <awilkins> Ok, something is up then
[19:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Evening all vtw
[19:21] <penguin42> hmm, but is that using Flash for me?
[19:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\v\b
[19:22] <penguin42> I'm not getting any right click menu on that
[19:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am.
[19:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Says about Flash Player 11.2.202.233...
[19:23] <DJones> I don't get a right click menu when in Chromium
[19:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer is using Firefox
[19:24]  * penguin42 is using Chromium
[19:24] <DJones> switching to firefox gives me the same right click menu
[19:24] <penguin42> I suspect it's using HTML5 rather than Flash
[19:24] <DJones> But version 11.2.202.235
[19:25] <penguin42> yeh, same version here in ff
[19:26] <DJones> I think I had an update earlier today
[20:00] <SuperEngineer> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[20:05] <SuperEngineer> Dear BBC Weather feed site: you cannot convince me it is currently: Sunday at 19:00 BST: sunny. 10°C (50°F).... I win - you loose
[20:06] <DJones> Somewhere it'll be 10C and 1900 BST
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> ..but 24 hrs ahead?!
[20:10]  * SuperEngineer is pretending it's stll Saturday btw
[20:10] <Monotoko> it's okay, bank holiday tomorrow!
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> ...but either way way- it aain't 19:00 - unless t'internet has *really* slowed down
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> Monotoko: if it's still Saturday - how can the bank hol be tomorrow?
[20:13]  * SuperEngineer still wants it to still be yesterday
[20:14] <SuperEngineer> [makes the weekend last longer]
[20:14] <mattt> SuperEngineer: what are you on about
[20:14] <Monotoko> SuperEngineer, ahhh fair point ;)
[20:15] <Monotoko> I once had a bug where my computer told me it was 105:30
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> ...I'm gauging a "response" as to what might happen if, on Tuesady a.m., I decided to stay in bed & convince the boss that -he- is wrong, not me ;)
[20:16] <mattt> like that advert
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> ...&so far - sounds promising
[20:17] <mattt> where they weird the boss out, and send him home
[20:17] <SuperEngineer> you got it!
[20:19] <Monotoko> Tell no-one to turn up... then when he rings "You woke me up! This better be good, I'm having my Sunday morning lie in"
[20:20] <SuperEngineer> Monotoko: [anyone got a horse custume & near boss's addess? - that would do it!]
[20:25] <SuperEngineer> ooo - well I never - just checked calendar & it's actually *Friday* evening
[20:25]  * SuperEngineer wondewrs if that might be pushing luck too far... ;)
[20:44] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: You don't have the password to your ntp server do you?
[20:44] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:54] <penguin42> oops: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/apple-security-blunder-exposes-lion-login-passwords-in-clear-text/11963
[20:56] <bigcalm> !ccm
[20:56] <bigcalm> !cmm
[20:56] <bigcalm> :|
[20:57] <Monotoko> penguin42, you read HN? :P
[20:58] <DJones> bigcalm: Which one are you looking for
[20:59] <DJones>  !ccsm only has an extra "s"
[20:59] <penguin42> Monotoko: No, that one came via /.
[21:00] <Monotoko> penguin42, ahhh... it's at the top of HN at the moment as well XD
[21:00] <bigcalm> Ta
[21:01] <bigcalm> !ccsm
[21:01] <bigcalm> I need more than 4 workspaces
[21:01]  * penguin42 always runs with 9
[21:01] <bigcalm> I was told to look at that
[21:01] <DJones> http://askubuntu.com/questions/34572/how-can-i-reduce-or-increase-the-number-of-workspaces-in-unity
[21:04] <SuperEngineer> on the assumption that tomorrow is Saturay ;
[21:05] <SuperEngineer> 0 - i'll see yuz all tommorrow :0
[21:05] <SuperEngineer> bfn
[21:05] <DJones> bigcalm: That myunity does the job very simply
[21:10] <bigcalm> DJones: just installed, worked a treat. Thanks :)
[21:10] <DJones> You're welcome
[21:14] <ali1234> linking to arch linux documentation on ask ubuntu questions... lol
[21:25] <awilkins> Ugh, Ralink driver code is rubbish
[21:25] <awilkins> "if this, then do thing x. else, also do thing x"
[21:25]  * awilkins slaps ralink with a wet haddock
[21:31] <MooDoo> evening all
[22:19] <miky0870> mythtv-users