| mips1911 | any news on the 4.10 amd64 builds? | 09:05 |
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| mr_pouit | mips1911: only xfdesktop4 remains (supposed to build in ~1h) | 10:47 |
| mips1911 | mr_pouit: Yeah I saw there's a dependency issue with libthunarx-2-0 wanting thunar-data 1.3.2.1 but 1.4.0 is to installed | 10:49 |
| mips1911 | mr_pouit: I see the build is complete, will install as soon apt update is complete | 11:36 |
| mips1911 | mr_pouit: Still not working, xfdesktop4 : Depends: xfdesktop4-data (= 4.9.3-1~ppa1) but 4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ppa2 is to be installed | 11:39 |
| mr_pouit | there's always a small delay between "built" and "published" | 11:49 |
| mips1911 | ok thx, will wait a bit and try again | 12:07 |
| mips1911 | mr_pouit: Working fine now, thx! | 12:24 |
| ochosi | knome: ahoi | 13:07 |
| knome | hey | 13:07 |
| ochosi | sean davis sent me some screenshots of the keyboard-shortcuts overlay that he is / we are working on | 13:08 |
| ochosi | wanna see? | 13:08 |
| knome | sure | 13:08 |
| ochosi | there are three versions atm, we'll continue to work on the layout more | 13:08 |
| ochosi | 1: http://imagebin.org/211289 | 13:09 |
| ochosi | (obviously the "switching" ones are still wrong atm) | 13:09 |
| knome | heh | 13:09 |
| ochosi | 2: http://imagebin.org/211290 | 13:10 |
| ochosi | or without lines: http://imagebin.org/211291 | 13:10 |
| knome | i prefer 1 | 13:10 |
| ochosi | i'm not 100% content with the radius of the corners | 13:10 |
| ochosi | and the padding | 13:11 |
| ochosi | but in general i think we're getting somewhere | 13:11 |
| knome | maybe | 13:11 |
| knome | brb | 13:12 |
| knome | ahh | 13:13 |
| knome | clean nose++ | 13:13 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether throwing app-icons to the app-shortcuts is too much | 13:14 |
| ochosi | i mean it'll definitely look less clean | 13:14 |
| knome | mmh | 13:14 |
| knome | well, my thoughts | 13:14 |
| knome | try to condense the descriptions | 13:15 |
| knome | "Open the Web Browser" -> "Web browser" | 13:15 |
| ochosi | i haven't really been able to look at the code yet, so i don't know where these come from | 13:16 |
| knome | maybe the horizontal rules could be a bit thinner | 13:17 |
| knome | at least the ones splitting different categories | 13:17 |
| knome | ochosi, fun, telling people how to build packages when they don't have an idea what "reading readme" means | 13:21 |
| ochosi | yeah, what a dork :( | 13:21 |
| knome | heh, that's another way to say it ;) | 13:22 |
| ochosi | re:kb-shortcuts-overlay: yeah, this is a first preview sean sent me without me even drawing a mockup, i think he took most of the look and descriptions from unity | 13:22 |
| knome | yeah, looks like it | 13:22 |
| ochosi | i'm happy he produced working code ;) | 13:22 |
| knome | i think generally the text could be smaller | 13:22 |
| ochosi | and it kinda looks along the lines i want it to look | 13:22 |
| knome | yeah, it's definitely not bad | 13:22 |
| knome | yay! | 13:23 |
| knome | question "i need help with .tar.gz" | 13:23 |
| ochosi | i'm still wondering whether we should go for a different style | 13:23 |
| ochosi | i mean in terms of applications | 13:23 |
| knome | thinks problem is "can't build a package" | 13:23 |
| ochosi | and include edit-buttons | 13:23 |
| knome | problem is "can't read, don't know how to cd to a dir" | 13:23 |
| ochosi | so one can also quickly change shortcuts there | 13:23 |
| ochosi | hehe | 13:23 |
| ochosi | yeah | 13:23 |
| ochosi | or at least make the headers clickable, so you'd get to the right dialog for changing the shortcut-keys (so that things would be less duplicated) | 13:24 |
| knome | yeah | 13:25 |
| ochosi | since he's using xfce4-notifyd as basis adding buttons should work | 13:25 |
| knome | btw, did you look at the roadmap-related post draft at xubuntu.org? | 13:26 |
| ochosi | nope | 13:27 |
| ochosi | wasn't aware there was one | 13:28 |
| knome | there definitely is | 13:28 |
| ochosi | well, i mean i don't monitor xubuntu.org for new drafts and i don't get notifications for that :p | 13:28 |
| knome | hehe | 13:28 |
| knome | i don't think anybody does :P | 13:29 |
| knome | there was some discussion about it at this channel though, so i thought you might have noticed | 13:29 |
| ochosi | oh right, no i didn't read the backlog yesterday | 13:29 |
| ochosi | usually i do though | 13:30 |
| ochosi | yeah, that sounds good | 13:30 |
| ochosi | i mean the post is still a bit technical and dry | 13:30 |
| knome | feel free to try to liven it up | 13:30 |
| ochosi | maybe throw in some fancy icons or something, so that it's not _just text_ on the planet | 13:30 |
| knome | maybe some kind of simple infographic | 13:30 |
| ochosi | and then we'll see | 13:30 |
| knome | hehe, yeah... | 13:30 |
| knome | i should compose a plugin for xubuntu.org | 13:30 |
| knome | to handle the access rights | 13:30 |
| knome | create a new user role and grant that to xubuntu-team | 13:31 |
| ochosi | other than that i think it's great to push something like this on the planet | 13:31 |
| knome | we should also post it on the mailing lists etc | 13:31 |
| ochosi | yup | 13:31 |
| ochosi | at least no-one will be able to complain about our processes not being transparent enough this time around | 13:32 |
| knome | heh, i'm sure someone will do anyway | 13:32 |
| ochosi | possible, but at least we're trying hard | 13:32 |
| knome | or complain that his item with no assignee didn't get approved/implemented | 13:32 |
| knome | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/compfight/ | 13:33 |
| knome | OOG | 13:33 |
| knome | *OOH | 13:34 |
| knome | got to love that | 13:34 |
| ochosi | yeah, sounds great | 13:34 |
| ochosi | can we install plugins without IS? | 13:34 |
| knome | of course not. | 13:34 |
| ochosi | so it'll take ages until we get that? :) | 13:35 |
| knome | hehe, yeah... | 13:35 |
| knome | not that we need that now | 13:35 |
| knome | but would be a welcome addition at some point | 13:35 |
| ochosi | yup | 13:36 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether replacing the social-media text-links with icons or badges would be a good idea | 13:37 |
| ochosi | they're just a lot more easily recognizable that way | 13:37 |
| knome | maybe | 13:38 |
| ochosi | i can quickly put 16px versions of those two together if you wanna test it | 13:38 |
| knome | sure | 13:38 |
| ochosi | knome: file:///usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/social/16/twitter.svg | 13:40 |
| ochosi | ;) | 13:40 |
| knome | lol | 13:40 |
| ochosi | for g+ i'll quickly dig | 13:40 |
| ochosi | this one looks ok: http://www.thecardiologydaily.com/images/google_plus.png | 13:42 |
| ochosi | i can draw those myself as well, but for testing these two should suffice | 13:42 |
| knome | will test a bit later | 13:44 |
| ochosi | k, feel free to ping me when you do | 13:48 |
| knome | will do | 13:48 |
| knome | ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/roadmap-infographic.png | 14:21 |
| ochosi | knome: great! i like it a lot | 14:22 |
| knome | good | 14:22 |
| knome | is it clear enough? | 14:22 |
| ochosi | we should probably also put that somewhere on the roadmap page | 14:22 |
| knome | heh, maybe | 14:22 |
| knome | though the roadmap phases are going to be described in the SD | 14:23 |
| knome | don't want infographics *there* but... | 14:23 |
| knome | most of this happens in a week anyway | 14:23 |
| knome | i mean, in a few weeks, we are at the "roadmap" stage | 14:23 |
| ochosi | yup true | 14:23 |
| ochosi | i think it's pretty clear, but it'd be better to ask someone who wasn't involved in creating the process ;) | 14:24 |
| ochosi | e.g. in #xubuntu | 14:24 |
| knome | updated the infographic | 14:25 |
| ochosi | nice | 14:25 |
| ochosi | wondering whether s/Roadmap brainstorming/Add to Roadmap brainstorming/ ? | 14:25 |
| ochosi | so that it's clearer that people have to submit their ideas | 14:25 |
| ochosi | but maybe that's clear anyway | 14:25 |
| knome | or add "submitting" next to the first arrow | 14:26 |
| ochosi | yup | 14:26 |
| ochosi | better maybe | 14:26 |
| knome | hmm... /me goes with something like that | 14:26 |
| knome | resolves visual issue with "approved" too | 14:26 |
| knome | updated | 14:30 |
| ochosi | good | 14:32 |
| knome | updated once more :) | 14:34 |
| ochosi | yup, better again | 14:34 |
| knome | i think that's about it | 14:34 |
| knome | and one more time, adding title | 14:36 |
| ochosi | yup, looks ready now | 14:37 |
| knome | now to upload and add that to the post | 14:37 |
| ochosi | btw, audience is pretty nice already | 14:41 |
| knome | http://xubuntu.org/?p=1077&preview=true | 14:41 |
| knome | http://www.flickr.com/photos/58105305@N00/2768941171/ <- :P | 14:43 |
| knome | should we use that pic too | 14:43 |
| ochosi | hehe, definitely ;) | 14:44 |
| knome | if the light buld was lit up, that would be perfect | 14:44 |
| knome | *bulb | 14:44 |
| ochosi | maybe <strong>submit your ideas</strong> in the first paragraph | 14:44 |
| knome | refresh | 14:45 |
| ochosi | yes, that's better | 14:48 |
| ochosi | also makes the text more structured | 14:49 |
| * knome is taking a shower | 14:52 | |
| knome | i'll publish that when i get back, unless you have further ideas how to improve | 14:52 |
| * knome releases the edit-lock too | 14:52 | |
| knome | brb | 14:52 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/roadmap-article.png | 15:13 |
| knome | comments? | 15:13 |
| pleia2 | http://gnuman.com/xubuntu-12-04-lts-review/ | 18:10 |
| * pleia2 adding | 18:10 | |
| pleia2 | knome: that's great! | 18:10 |
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| lekin | Hi all ! | 20:58 |
| lekin | I installed Xubuntu 12.04 amd64 and configured it over the past 2 days. I actually wanted to use it tomorrow. Unfortunately there are too many serious bugs, e.g. in Thunar and Leafpad. | 21:03 |
| baizon | and the bugs are? | 21:03 |
| baizon | you can switch from leafpad to gedit for example | 21:03 |
| lekin | Thunar bypasses the Trash on a bind mount. | 21:04 |
| baizon | lekin: try pcmanfm | 21:04 |
| lekin | Leafpad can't handle a 880 KB file. | 21:04 |
| GridCube | lekin, you can use geany for editing | 21:06 |
| lekin | Better skip the standard applications? | 21:06 |
| GridCube | they are not power tools | 21:07 |
| GridCube | we had a discussion for this a while back, we decided that apt-get is just a few strokes away from any user needed more advanced tools, we should ship the ones that do standard work for users in a simple way | 21:08 |
| lekin | I like the desktop environment, it's clear and fast. But I also need reliable basic tools like an editor and a graphical file manager... | 21:11 |
| GridCube | :) you can have all you want | 21:11 |
| lekin | I used 10.04 with Gnome 2 before (and still do). I am not willing to use the Unity desktop environment nor Gnome 3. | 21:14 |
| lekin | Is Xfce reliable enough to use it with the former Gnome standard tools? | 21:16 |
| GridCube | it should be | 21:17 |
| lekin | I think most people use Xubuntu because of it's traditional desktop environment, not because of a lack of RAM and CPU power. What do you think? | 21:20 |
| GridCube | :) the same | 21:20 |
| GridCube | lekin, care to go to #xubuntu-offtopic | 21:20 |
| GridCube | :) | 21:21 |
| GridCube | this channel if for development | 21:21 |
| lekin | OK. Sorry. Are you interested in further details of the Thunar + Leafpad bugs? | 21:22 |
| GridCube | yes, ofcourse :) | 21:22 |
| GridCube | care to report them to launchpad? | 21:23 |
| lekin | OK. URI available? | 21:24 |
| GridCube | from a terminal write: ubuntubug leafpad | 21:24 |
| GridCube | and ubuntu bug thunar | 21:25 |
| GridCube | and it will compile information for you and send the report to launchpad | 21:25 |
| GridCube | you will need to log in to launchpad for the report to complete, so its a standard user registration, the register go to your mail to end registration and such, if you dont have an account already | 21:26 |
| lekin | Ah, ubuntu-bug ! | 21:33 |
| GridCube | oh... yeah... sorry 'bout that | 21:41 |
| knome | hrm | 23:32 |
| GridCube | hmmhm? | 23:33 |
| knome | hullo | 23:33 |
| knome | 2:30am o.o | 23:33 |
| GridCube | just 20:35 here | 23:35 |
| knome | yeah | 23:35 |
| knome | http://xubuntu.org/news/brainstorming-the-12-10-release/ | 23:43 |
| GridCube | i forgot what lists i had to make to the brainstorming | 23:46 |
| GridCube | oooo | 23:46 |
| GridCube | i remember, webcams default programs | 23:46 |
| GridCube | and arandr | 23:46 |
| knome | filed a new ticket for IS to pull a new plugin | 23:48 |
| knome | with that, we'll be able to give the team a bit more access rights :) | 23:48 |
| GridCube | :P | 23:48 |
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