[09:05] <mips1911> any news on the 4.10 amd64 builds?
[10:47] <mr_pouit> mips1911: only xfdesktop4 remains (supposed to build in ~1h)
[10:49] <mips1911> mr_pouit: Yeah I saw there's a dependency issue with libthunarx-2-0 wanting thunar-data 1.3.2.1 but 1.4.0 is to installed
[11:36] <mips1911> mr_pouit: I see the build is complete, will install as soon apt update is complete
[11:39] <mips1911> mr_pouit: Still not working, xfdesktop4 : Depends: xfdesktop4-data (= 4.9.3-1~ppa1) but 4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ppa2 is to be installed
[11:49] <mr_pouit> there's always a small delay between "built" and "published"
[12:07] <mips1911> ok thx, will wait a bit and try again
[12:24] <mips1911> mr_pouit: Working fine now, thx!
[13:07] <ochosi> knome: ahoi
[13:07] <knome> hey
[13:08] <ochosi> sean davis sent me some screenshots of the keyboard-shortcuts overlay that he is / we are working on
[13:08] <ochosi> wanna see?
[13:08] <knome> sure
[13:08] <ochosi> there are three versions atm, we'll continue to work on the layout more
[13:09] <ochosi> 1: http://imagebin.org/211289
[13:09] <ochosi> (obviously the "switching" ones are still wrong atm)
[13:09] <knome> heh
[13:10] <ochosi> 2: http://imagebin.org/211290
[13:10] <ochosi> or without lines: http://imagebin.org/211291
[13:10] <knome> i prefer 1
[13:10] <ochosi> i'm not 100% content with the radius of the corners
[13:11] <ochosi> and the padding
[13:11] <ochosi> but in general i think we're getting somewhere
[13:11] <knome> maybe
[13:12] <knome> brb
[13:13] <knome> ahh
[13:13] <knome> clean nose++
[13:14] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether throwing app-icons to the app-shortcuts is too much
[13:14] <ochosi> i mean it'll definitely look less clean
[13:14] <knome> mmh
[13:14] <knome> well, my thoughts
[13:15] <knome> try to condense the descriptions
[13:15] <knome> "Open the Web Browser" -> "Web browser"
[13:16] <ochosi> i haven't really been able to look at the code yet, so i don't know where these come from
[13:17] <knome> maybe the horizontal rules could be a bit thinner
[13:17] <knome> at least the ones splitting different categories
[13:21] <knome> ochosi, fun, telling people how to build packages when they don't have an idea what "reading readme" means
[13:21] <ochosi> yeah, what a dork :(
[13:22] <knome> heh, that's another way to say it ;)
[13:22] <ochosi> re:kb-shortcuts-overlay: yeah, this is a first preview sean sent me without me even drawing a mockup, i think he took most of the look and descriptions from unity
[13:22] <knome> yeah, looks like it
[13:22] <ochosi> i'm happy he produced working code ;)
[13:22] <knome> i think generally the text could be smaller
[13:22] <ochosi> and it kinda looks along the lines i want it to look
[13:22] <knome> yeah, it's definitely not bad
[13:23] <knome> yay!
[13:23] <knome> question "i need help with .tar.gz"
[13:23] <ochosi> i'm still wondering whether we should go for a different style
[13:23] <ochosi> i mean in terms of applications
[13:23] <knome> thinks problem is "can't build a package"
[13:23] <ochosi> and include edit-buttons
[13:23] <knome> problem is "can't read, don't know how to cd to a dir"
[13:23] <ochosi> so one can also quickly change shortcuts there
[13:23] <ochosi> hehe
[13:23] <ochosi> yeah
[13:24] <ochosi> or at least make the headers clickable, so you'd get to the right dialog for changing the shortcut-keys (so that things would be less duplicated)
[13:25] <knome> yeah
[13:25] <ochosi> since he's using xfce4-notifyd as basis adding buttons should work
[13:26] <knome> btw, did you look at the roadmap-related post draft at xubuntu.org? 
[13:27] <ochosi> nope
[13:28] <ochosi> wasn't aware there was one
[13:28] <knome> there definitely is
[13:28] <ochosi> well, i mean i don't monitor xubuntu.org for new drafts and i don't get notifications for that :p
[13:28] <knome> hehe
[13:29] <knome> i don't think anybody does :P
[13:29] <knome> there was some discussion about it at this channel though, so i thought you might have noticed
[13:29] <ochosi> oh right, no i didn't read the backlog yesterday
[13:30] <ochosi> usually i do though
[13:30] <ochosi> yeah, that sounds good
[13:30] <ochosi> i mean the post is still a bit technical and dry
[13:30] <knome> feel free to try to liven it up
[13:30] <ochosi> maybe throw in some fancy icons or something, so that it's not _just text_ on the planet
[13:30] <knome> maybe some kind of simple infographic
[13:30] <ochosi> and then we'll see
[13:30] <knome> hehe, yeah...
[13:30] <knome> i should compose a plugin for xubuntu.org
[13:30] <knome> to handle the access rights
[13:31] <knome> create a new user role and grant that to xubuntu-team
[13:31] <ochosi> other than that i think it's great to push something like this on the planet
[13:31] <knome> we should also post it on the mailing lists etc
[13:31] <ochosi> yup
[13:32] <ochosi> at least no-one will be able to complain about our processes not being transparent enough this time around
[13:32] <knome> heh, i'm sure someone will do anyway
[13:32] <ochosi> possible, but at least we're trying hard
[13:32] <knome> or complain that his item with no assignee didn't get approved/implemented
[13:33] <knome> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/compfight/
[13:33] <knome> OOG
[13:34] <knome> *OOH
[13:34] <knome> got to love that
[13:34] <ochosi> yeah, sounds great
[13:34] <ochosi> can we install plugins without IS?
[13:34] <knome> of course not.
[13:35] <ochosi> so it'll take ages until we get that? :)
[13:35] <knome> hehe, yeah...
[13:35] <knome> not that we need that now
[13:35] <knome> but would be a welcome addition at some point
[13:36] <ochosi> yup
[13:37] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether replacing the social-media text-links with icons or badges would be a good idea
[13:37] <ochosi> they're just a lot more easily recognizable that way
[13:38] <knome> maybe
[13:38] <ochosi> i can quickly put 16px versions of those two together if you wanna test it
[13:38] <knome> sure
[13:40] <ochosi> knome: file:///usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/social/16/twitter.svg
[13:40] <ochosi> ;)
[13:40] <knome> lol
[13:40] <ochosi> for g+ i'll quickly dig
[13:42] <ochosi> this one looks ok: http://www.thecardiologydaily.com/images/google_plus.png
[13:42] <ochosi> i can draw those myself as well, but for testing these two should suffice
[13:44] <knome> will test a bit later
[13:48] <ochosi> k, feel free to ping me when you do
[13:48] <knome> will do
[14:21] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/roadmap-infographic.png
[14:22] <ochosi> knome: great! i like it a lot
[14:22] <knome> good
[14:22] <knome> is it clear enough?
[14:22] <ochosi> we should probably also put that somewhere on the roadmap page
[14:22] <knome> heh, maybe
[14:23] <knome> though the roadmap phases are going to be described in the SD
[14:23] <knome> don't want infographics *there* but...
[14:23] <knome> most of this happens in a week anyway
[14:23] <knome> i mean, in a few weeks, we are at the "roadmap" stage
[14:23] <ochosi> yup true
[14:24] <ochosi> i think it's pretty clear, but it'd be better to ask someone who wasn't involved in creating the process ;)
[14:24] <ochosi> e.g. in #xubuntu
[14:25] <knome> updated the infographic
[14:25] <ochosi> nice
[14:25] <ochosi> wondering whether s/Roadmap brainstorming/Add to Roadmap brainstorming/ ?
[14:25] <ochosi> so that it's clearer that people have to submit their ideas
[14:25] <ochosi> but maybe that's clear anyway
[14:26] <knome> or add "submitting" next to the first arrow
[14:26] <ochosi> yup
[14:26] <ochosi> better maybe
[14:26] <knome> hmm... /me goes with something like that
[14:26] <knome> resolves visual issue with "approved" too
[14:30] <knome> updated
[14:32] <ochosi> good
[14:34] <knome> updated once more :)
[14:34] <ochosi> yup, better again
[14:34] <knome> i think that's about it
[14:36] <knome> and one more time, adding title
[14:37] <ochosi> yup, looks ready now
[14:37] <knome> now to upload and add that to the post
[14:41] <ochosi> btw, audience is pretty nice already
[14:41] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?p=1077&preview=true
[14:43] <knome> http://www.flickr.com/photos/58105305@N00/2768941171/ <- :P
[14:43] <knome> should we use that pic too
[14:44] <ochosi> hehe, definitely ;)
[14:44] <knome> if the light buld was lit up, that would be perfect
[14:44] <knome> *bulb
[14:44] <ochosi> maybe <strong>submit your ideas</strong> in the first paragraph
[14:45] <knome> refresh
[14:48] <ochosi> yes, that's better
[14:49] <ochosi> also makes the text more structured
[14:52]  * knome is taking a shower
[14:52] <knome> i'll publish that when i get back, unless you have further ideas how to improve
[14:52]  * knome releases the edit-lock too
[14:52] <knome> brb
[15:13] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_shots/roadmap-article.png
[15:13] <knome> comments?
[18:10] <pleia2> http://gnuman.com/xubuntu-12-04-lts-review/
[18:10]  * pleia2 adding
[18:10] <pleia2> knome: that's great!
[20:58] <lekin> Hi all !
[21:03] <lekin> I installed Xubuntu 12.04 amd64 and configured it over the past 2 days. I actually wanted to use it tomorrow. Unfortunately there are too many serious bugs, e.g. in Thunar and Leafpad.
[21:03] <baizon> and the bugs are?
[21:03] <baizon> you can switch from leafpad to gedit for example
[21:04] <lekin> Thunar bypasses the Trash on a bind mount.
[21:04] <baizon> lekin: try pcmanfm
[21:04] <lekin> Leafpad can't handle a 880 KB file.
[21:06] <GridCube> lekin, you can use geany for editing
[21:06] <lekin> Better skip the standard applications?
[21:07] <GridCube> they are not power tools
[21:08] <GridCube> we had a discussion for this a while back, we decided that apt-get is just a few strokes away from any user needed more advanced tools, we should ship the ones that do standard work for users in a simple way
[21:11] <lekin> I like the desktop environment, it's clear and fast. But I also need reliable basic tools like an editor and a graphical file manager...
[21:11] <GridCube> :) you can have all you want
[21:14] <lekin> I used 10.04 with Gnome 2 before (and still do). I am not willing to use the Unity desktop environment nor Gnome 3.
[21:16] <lekin> Is Xfce reliable enough to use it with the former Gnome standard tools?
[21:17] <GridCube> it should be
[21:20] <lekin> I think most people use Xubuntu because of it's traditional desktop environment, not because of a lack of RAM and CPU power. What do you think?
[21:20] <GridCube> :) the same
[21:20] <GridCube> lekin, care to go to #xubuntu-offtopic 
[21:21] <GridCube> :)
[21:21] <GridCube> this channel if for development
[21:22] <lekin> OK. Sorry. Are you interested in further details of the Thunar + Leafpad bugs?
[21:22] <GridCube> yes, ofcourse :)
[21:23] <GridCube> care to report them to launchpad?
[21:24] <lekin> OK. URI available?
[21:24] <GridCube> from a terminal write: ubuntubug leafpad
[21:25] <GridCube> and ubuntu bug thunar
[21:25] <GridCube> and it will compile information for you and send the report to launchpad
[21:26] <GridCube> you will need to log in to launchpad for the report to complete, so its a standard user registration, the register go to your mail to end registration and such, if you dont have an account already
[21:33] <lekin> Ah, ubuntu-bug !
[21:41] <GridCube> oh... yeah... sorry 'bout that
[23:32] <knome> hrm
[23:33] <GridCube> hmmhm?
[23:33] <knome> hullo
[23:33] <knome> 2:30am o.o
[23:35] <GridCube> just 20:35 here
[23:35] <knome> yeah
[23:43] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/brainstorming-the-12-10-release/
[23:46] <GridCube> i forgot what lists i had to make to the brainstorming
[23:46] <GridCube> oooo
[23:46] <GridCube> i remember, webcams default programs
[23:46] <GridCube> and arandr
[23:48] <knome> filed a new ticket for IS to pull a new plugin
[23:48] <knome> with that, we'll be able to give the team a bit more access rights :)
[23:48] <GridCube> :P