[07:47] <angeloc> hi guys, q quick question, where is rootstock for precise? there is something I missed?
[07:50] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: rootstock is deprecated
[07:50] <angeloc> great! cannot find any documentation, can you point me in the right direction? thanks!
[07:51] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: the various ancestors/successors are debootstrap, the linaro tools and live-build
[07:51] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: after all, rootstock was mostly debootstrap+qemu+magic
[07:52] <twb> http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.bin/twb-bootstrap is what I'm doing
[07:52] <twb> I can't remember if I got cross-arch building working
[07:53] <twb> multistrap claims to be better than debootstrap for that, I'm not 100% convinced
[07:57] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: sorry for not understanding. I used rootstock so many that I cannot live without it, you are saying me that from precise on, I have to fight with three different tools and crying all day?
[07:58] <twb> "magic" isn't a tool, it's unicorn tears
[07:59] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: no, thats not what i said.
[08:00] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd: so what is the best approach to emulate rootstock simplicity?
[08:00] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: to read the very first sentence in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootStock
[08:01] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd: live-build isnot nearly as simple as rootstock
[08:02] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: then either use a) ubuntu-core or b) continue to use rootstock and ignore deprecation.
[08:02] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd: with rootstock i squeezed really small and functional images for some of my jobs
[08:02] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: or c) make your way and script live-build
[08:04] <twb> live-build is definitely hard to get started with
[08:04] <twb> #debian-live have been talking about writing a replacement in Python to clean up the mess, but I don't think that effort will start until Debian 7 is released
[08:05] <twb> I cannot comment on rootstock, but if you study my minimalist script it should give you an idea of the techniques that all of these software employ; you can then roll your own script to do exactly what you want, and no more
[08:06] <twb> ...or use rootstock, or suck it up and learn live-build.  I don't care either way.
[08:08] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: i think that deprecating rootstock was a wicked choice, i will use ubuntu-core, but i will have to write an amount of scripts to automatically installe required software into the image
[08:09] <twb> angeloc: if you don't like it, you can adopt rootstock yourself
[08:09] <twb> Personally I've never had any involvement in rootstock and I don't care to
[08:09] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: too bad the person worth addressing is not here at the moment. but as usual - its open source, go do whatever you like. just don't copmlain if other people don't do your work for free.
[08:09] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: rootstock was unmaintained? i want to help for sure!
[08:10] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: rootstock has been marked deprecated for at least one year. i guess the person who did it had good reasons.
[08:10] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti: ping, can you maybe comment?
[08:10] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: i don't want to complaing anything, simply rootstock was really helpfull and a great valuable tool
[08:11] <twb> In this case deprecated = unmaintained
[08:11] <twb> The actual job of bootstrap+qemu is not really that hard
[08:12] <rsalveti> it's just because we're not using anymore for any reason, we're using live-build with qemu
[08:12] <rsalveti> to cross assemble the images
[08:12] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: i'm really curios on the why rootstock was deprecated, i'll try to contact salveti
[08:12] <twb> angeloc: probably because nobody gave a shit anymore and <something else> was what they had switched to
[08:13] <rsalveti> it goes more with the "ubuntu way"
[08:14] <rsalveti> and nowadays we also have the ubuntu-core tarball
[08:14] <rsalveti> depending on how you're planning to use it
[08:14] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: no need to, he's here, alive and klicking already :)
[08:17] <rsalveti> http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/fboudra/ubuntu-build-service.git;a=tree;f=precise-armhf-ubuntu-desktop;hb=HEAD
[08:17] <rsalveti> here's how we're building our linaro ubuntu desktop based image
[08:17] <rsalveti> it's not that hard, you just need to write down the scripts correctly
[08:18] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: thanks, i'll give a look
[08:20] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: more complicated than rootstock, but feasible
[08:21] <rsalveti> I think we could create a simple interface for live-build if necessary, at least to be as easy as rootstock
[08:22] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i will be glad to help! why rootstock was deprecated?
[08:23] <rsalveti> angeloc: simply because we started using live-build and I personally didn't have time to keep it uptodated
[08:24] <rsalveti> and we had a few bugs with it, mostly related with qemu + mono before mono was dropped from the desktop
[08:24] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i can keep on with rootstock if there is intrest
[08:25] <rsalveti> while I'd prefer moving to a live-build based solution, I'm not against someone else to maintain it, if we have people interested on it still
[08:27] <rsalveti> angeloc: you can simply create your own bzr branch of it, and make it work again
[08:27] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i'm using it on lucid for long time and i know of people and companies using it
[08:27] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: for me, it works really well!
[08:27] <rsalveti> then I can try to have a look to merge all the code, and then add you to the maintainers group
[08:27] <rsalveti> there are a few bugs and merge proposals to be reviewed as well
[08:31] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: well, fantastic, i'm active in other ubuntu projects, but not as a maintainer, really happy! Can I look at these works before accepting (to see if it's feasible)?
[08:32] <rsalveti> angeloc: you can find the project at https://launchpad.net/project-rootstock
[08:32] <twb> angeloc: please stop addressing me by name; I've stopped caring about your issue.
[08:32] <rsalveti> the are questions, merge proposals, bugs, everything :-)
[08:32] <angeloc> rsalveti: ok, simply the rootstock page on launchpad
[08:39] <angeloc> rsalveti: ok, i think it feasible! honestly, do you think it's better to continue rootstock development or switch to a more userfriendly frontend for live build?
[08:40] <angeloc> rsalveti: i'm really intresting help ubuntu!
[08:40] <rsalveti> angeloc: it's a lot easier to fix rootstock, fixing or creating something based on live build seems to be better for long term, but would require more time to invest on it
[08:51] <angeloc> rsalveti: ok, I think that it's better starting with something done, on the way when i 'll learn something more, i'll start a new project
[08:57] <angeloc> rsalveti: linaro has linaro-media-create
[09:27] <angeloc> rsalveti: rootstock is a bash script, maybe could better to start a python live-build interface for the near future ...
[13:39] <coelhao> i'm new to embedded world and i have a mx52 freescale board with their image with uboot and ubuntu 10.04. this image boot into x by default and i needed it to boot into command line. can someone help me?
[13:39] <coelhao> s/mx52/mx53
[13:40] <xranby> coelhao: "x" in ubuntu 10.04 is started by the /etc/init.d/gdm script
[13:41] <xranby> coelhao: if you want to prevent gdm from starting   you can a) uninstall it
[13:44] <coelhao> xranby, i already tried it but i get a black screen. and i would prefer not to. how can i change the runlevel?
[13:49] <xranby> coelhao: the console are mostly a black screen...      you can change runlevel using    telinit
[13:50] <xranby> telinit 3   switched to runlevel 3
[13:50] <xranby> switches
[13:51] <coelhao> xranby, yes, but the prompt didn't appear. but i would like to boot it into text mode. not change the runlevel after i boot into graphical mode
[13:53] <xranby> coelhao: to get a prompt  check that your system starts a getty (login) on your tty
[13:53] <xranby> coelhao: /etc/init/tty1.conf
[13:54] <xranby> coelhao: http://paste.ubuntu.com/973578/
[13:55] <coelhao> xranby, it's equal to mine
[13:57] <xranby> coelhao: can you try press ctrl+alt+f1 and check if you arrive at the tty1 login prompt on your mx52 board
[13:58] <coelhao> xranby, sure. yes, i go to the tty1
[14:02] <xranby> coelhao: unless gdm starts you should arrive at this tty1 on bootup..  sorry i am not sure why your system presents you at a different tty on bootup
[14:04] <coelhao> xranby, thank you very much anyway!
[14:23] <angeloc> rsalveti: is there a tutorial or somthing like that to build an arm image with ?
[14:23] <angeloc> rsalveti: live-build?
[16:09] <prpplague> cooloney: hey bud
[16:10] <prpplague> fyi, for anyone interested in lcd panels for beagle and panda, tincantools now has lvds lcd kits in stock - http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16165&cat=0&page=1&featured
[16:10] <cooloney> prpplague: hey, man, why not come to Oakland for Ubuntu developer summit
[16:11] <prpplague> when is it?
[16:11] <ogra_> yeah, jump on your bocycle and come over :P
[16:11]  * prpplague isn't really a ubuntu developer
[16:11] <ogra_> *bicycle
[16:11] <ogra_> prpplague, it just starts
[16:11] <prpplague> ahh
[16:11]  * prpplague has too much to do right now 
[16:12] <ogra_> pfft, excuses, excuses
[16:12] <ogra_> :=
[16:12]  * GrueMaster wishes he was in Oakland right now.
[16:12] <ogra_> :)
[16:12] <ogra_> you are missed here
[16:23] <cooloney> GrueMaster: miss you, man
[16:23] <GrueMaster> cooloney: I miss me too.
[19:46] <hrw> prpplague: go to HongKong for Linaro Connect than ;D
[19:47] <prpplague> hrw: yea i wanted to
[19:47] <prpplague> hrw: couldnt swing it on the budget
[19:49] <hrw> understood
[19:54] <prpplague> hrw: would be a good trip too
[21:13] <ogra_> ndec, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-drop-preinst-images in case you are intrested
[21:17] <GrueMaster> ogra_: Why?  Because they can't test them?
[21:20]  * GrueMaster remembers he no longer cares, wanders off again.