[00:33] <s1> Salutation.
[00:34] <EvilResistance> greetings
[00:34] <EvilResistance> how's things :p
[00:34] <wylde> blargh....
[00:34] <EvilResistance> heh
[00:36] <s1> Pretty good here :)
[00:36] <wylde> trying to find homes for some of the bugs with no package assignments. o.O Ther's some ridiculous stuff in here.
[00:37] <EvilResistance> wylde:  link me to an example
[00:37] <EvilResistance> or two
[00:37]  * EvilResistance may try and find where they belong
[00:37] <wylde> alrighty, moment
[00:37] <s1> i have one , which i filed myself ..
[00:37] <s1> !bug #995185
[00:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 995185 in gnome-settings-daemon "Multimedia keys are disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995185
[00:37] <EvilResistance> s1:  no need for using !bug
[00:38] <s1> Okay.
[00:38] <wylde> bug #994827 .... that one I don't think is a bug really, but I have no idea what to do with it.
[00:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994827 in ubuntu "ubuntu-bug gives up too easily" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994827
[00:38] <EvilResistance> s1:  are you sure this is a bug, or just a request for support?
[00:39] <s1> I think i got confused somewhere ..
[00:39] <wylde> oooh, here's one for you bug #993684
[00:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993684 in ubuntu "I'm trying to "update" ubuntu, I want to prove if my losten grub appears" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993684
[00:39] <s1> or assigned against the wrong package !
[00:40] <EvilResistance> wylde:  that one seems like it should be invalid
[00:41] <EvilResistance> s1:  are you asking for support, or filing that there is a bug in the program?
[00:41] <EvilResistance> if you're asking for support, a bug won't help you
[00:41] <EvilResistance> if you're showing that a bug exists in the program, then it might
[00:42] <s1> EvilResistance: I really don't know.
[00:43] <s1> I just found this trubleshooting steps .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting
[00:43] <EvilResistance> s1:  i read your "bug report" and its not a bug report in this instanfce
[00:43] <EvilResistance> i've marked it as invalid
[00:43] <EvilResistance> and posted a comment pointing you towards where you could get support
[00:44] <s1> EvilResistance: Thank you.
[00:44] <EvilResistance> (at least that's my opinion, if another bug squad member thinks otherwise, they're free to change it)
[00:45] <EvilResistance> wylde:  bug 993684 might be a not-a-bug instance, but its hard to tell
[00:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993684 in ubuntu "I'm trying to "update" ubuntu, I want to prove if my losten grub appears" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993684
[00:45] <wylde> now, this one was never assigned to a package, although a quick scan of the comments sound like it was resolved ( should have been a support request I think).
[00:45] <EvilResistance> wylde:  might post to the bug squad mailing list if you want :/
[00:46] <wylde> EvilResistance: yeah, I set it to invalid, if the reporter feels the need to challenge that then I'm good wih it, might get more info out of him anyway.
[00:46] <EvilResistance> wylde:  that's what i'd do :P
[00:47] <wylde> lol
[00:47] <wylde> I'm just being a little over cautious, my first day trying to triage I managed to get spanked twice >.<
[00:47] <EvilResistance> wylde:  :P
[00:48] <EvilResistance> wylde:  i'm relatively new too, bnut i recommend you follow the triage guide like its law
[00:48] <EvilResistance> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage  in case you havent got the link
[00:48] <EvilResistance> i always keep that link up while i'm working on bugs :P
[00:48] <wylde> EvilResistance: yep, I have it. There's just some of these reports you just can't compare to it. You know?
[00:48] <EvilResistance> and when i'm unsure about whether it needs triaging i come here, ask bugsquad members' opinions, and poke bugcontrol members here when its worth it
[00:48] <EvilResistance> wylde:  mhm
[00:49]  * EvilResistance had one of those a few days ago
[00:50] <EvilResistance> (and so far, the ones i've pointed out for triaging have been valid for triaging)
[00:50] <wylde> EvilResistance: last week or the week before I had a reporter trying to add me their google+ lol
[00:51] <EvilResistance> wylde:  and this is why i dont have google+ or public facebooks :P
[00:51] <wylde> EvilResistance: I don't use it, I do use 1 of my gmail addresses for here though.
[00:51] <EvilResistance> :P
[00:54] <EvilResistance> wylde:  that ubuntu-bug one goes against apport i think
[00:54] <EvilResistance> apt-file shows ubuntu-bug as part of apport
[00:54] <wylde> oh this one, bug #992906 I ran across while looking for minor document bugs to fix. I moved it Unity.
[00:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 992906 in unity "Log out, power off icon(applet) not present on desk top" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/992906
[00:54] <EvilResistance> actually i'm not sure now
[00:54] <wylde> yeah I think it is.
[00:55]  * EvilResistance shurgs
[00:55] <EvilResistance> shrugs*
[00:56] <wylde> yeah I'll go with that, it's better than no package assignment
[00:56] <EvilResistance> dont bother yet
[00:56]  * EvilResistance is checking with someone
[00:56] <wylde> ok
[00:56] <wylde> it may even be an "opinion"
[00:56]  * EvilResistance is checking with the MOTUs for which package its against
[00:56] <EvilResistance> but it should be OPinjion
[00:57] <EvilResistance> i'll poke a bugcontrol person in a minute
[00:57] <wylde> lol alrighty
[00:58] <EvilResistance> ah ubuntu-bug is in apport
[00:58] <EvilResistance> which bug was that one again?
[00:58] <EvilResistance> that one about ubuntu-bug
[00:58] <wylde> sec
[00:58] <EvilResistance> was it this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/994827
[00:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994827 in ubuntu "ubuntu-bug gives up too easily" [Undecided,New]
[00:59] <wylde> yep
[01:00] <wylde> brb needs me MOAR COFFEE! ...and to get out of this chair for a minute >.>
[01:00] <EvilResistance> its set to 'opinion', but its open to be changed, if its not an opinion-type :P
[01:00] <Daekdroom> That bug might indeed be a bug. I think it's the wording that sucks.
[01:01] <EvilResistance> Daekdroom:  its against apport, that much I know
[01:02] <EvilResistance> but that wording suggests opinion, not bug
[01:02] <EvilResistance> if it *is* a bug, details need to be added
[01:02]  * EvilResistance set it to Opinion, but believes it may be a bug, ignoring the wording
[01:02] <EvilResistance> they don't specify which version of Ubuntu they're on, so if it was fixed later, we'll never know
[01:03] <EvilResistance> feel free to change it as you see fit, though :)
[01:03]  * EvilResistance values constructive criticism as it is needed
[01:03] <Resistance> oh, fooey.
[01:03] <Resistance> stupid ZNC changing my nick randomly >.>
[01:03]  * Resistance reminds himself to fix his autochange nicks script
[01:04] <Resistance> its supposed to go once every 6 hours, not every hour :/
[01:07] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  if you can suggest what the bug *should* say, we could invalidate bug 994827 and file a more technical bug, or recommend to the OP they do that
[01:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994827 in ubuntu "ubuntu-bug gives up too easily" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994827
[01:07] <Resistance> (OP = Original Poster)
[01:27] <wylde> lol alrighty
[01:29] <wylde> It does seem odd that it would even have an "other" option if it's going to demand a package be specified anyway. The "other" option should be removed, but only the dev can say if that's intended behavior or not :P
[01:30] <Resistance> other should return that it may not be a bug
[01:30] <wylde> ahhh true that. Possibly suggest a support channel or ubuntu-brainstorm
[01:30] <Resistance> mhm
[01:34] <wylde> uhhhh Bug #995697  <----- support question? Someone should also point out WEP even with 128bit "encryption" is like locking your front door with scotch tape >.<
[01:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 995697 in ubuntu "WEP security with passphrase broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995697
[01:34] <Resistance> wylde: i'll propose that possible change to apport, but that'd be a feature request bug, so it wouldnt necessarily need a brainstorm topic (although this needed it: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29656/ )
[01:34] <Resistance> whats this one now?
[01:34] <wylde> wireless wep issue
[01:35] <Daekdroom> wylde, why not warn people to prefer whatever is safer over WEP?
[01:35] <wylde> wpa-supplicant I suppose.
[01:35] <Daekdroom> I should dig into that a bit and file a wishlist on Launchpad :P
[01:35] <wylde> Daekdroom: yep, what I was getting at. :)
[01:36] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  that's a support request, but not a bug report, really
[01:36] <Daekdroom> Resistance, the bug mentioned above?
[01:37] <Daekdroom> Or suggesting that the network applet warn people to use some sort of encryption over others?
[01:37] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  IMO, yes, there *is* a way to fix WEP in 12.04, but its not a bug with any question
[01:37] <Resistance> the bug
[01:37] <Resistance> not the feature request
[01:37] <Resistance> i agree with the feature request
[01:37] <Resistance> the bug that was reported is a support request, not a bug report
[01:37] <Daekdroom> Indeed it is
[01:38] <wylde> indeed it is a support request?
[01:38] <Resistance> i marked it as invalid as such, since it's not a bug, but i would agree with filing a wishlist request on that proposed feature
[01:38] <Resistance> wylde:  yeah, i marked it as such
[01:38] <wylde> alrighty :)
[01:38] <Resistance> (the feature Daekdroom stated)
[01:38] <Resistance> it'd be instantly triageable :P
[01:39] <wylde> lol
[01:40] <wylde> I honestly think adding some awareness to wireless security options would be a good thing.
[01:40] <Resistance> i agree
[01:40] <Resistance> if Daekdroom or you files the feature request, i'll support it :P
[01:40] <Resistance> heck, I could file that feature request
[01:41] <Resistance> question though:
[01:41] <Resistance> which package gets the feature request assignied ot it?
[01:41] <Resistance> network manager?
[01:41] <Resistance> wicd?
[01:41] <Resistance> :P
[01:41] <Daekdroom> I'm not very familiar with the different types of encryption, so I don't think I'm the best to file it.
[01:41] <wylde> oooo nice idea Resistance, make make a squashfs file and keep the backup as a mountable/exportable FS :)
[01:41] <wylde> maybe make*
[01:41] <Resistance> wylde:  go register on brainstorm, post your ideas/solution to it
[01:41] <Resistance> i strongly support additional solutions :)
[01:42] <Daekdroom> I think it should be the package that contains the indicator.
[01:42] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  they both have indicators for wifi networking
[01:42]  * Resistance has used both
[01:42] <Resistance> i also dont know what's on each derivative
[01:42] <Resistance> i could find out, but i'm slightly lazy :P
[01:43] <wylde> I'm most familiar with network manager, anyone could find out. We're all just a little lazy :P
[01:43] <wylde> or "busy"?
[01:43] <Resistance> i know network manager, i've filed bugs against it before :P
[01:43] <Daekdroom> nm-connection-editor process is where it is.... What package does that belong to?
[01:43]  * Resistance is both lazyish and busyish
[01:43] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  i'll apt-file it
[01:44] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  network-manager-gnome
[01:44] <Resistance> afaict at least
[01:44] <Resistance> but that's not the source package
[01:45] <Resistance> at least not afaict
[01:45] <Resistance> (in natty)
[01:46] <Resistance> network-manager-applet (in precise)
[01:46] <Resistance> i think
[01:46] <Resistance> that's the source package for network-manager-gnome
[01:49] <Resistance> well apt-file checks against binaries...
[01:49] <Resistance> this is why i keep packages.ubuntu.com around :P
[01:49] <wylde> :)
[01:49] <Daekdroom> It is the source package indeed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/
[01:50] <wylde> I use apt-file mostly for fixing compile dependencies
[01:50] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  apt-file to find the binary, packages.ubuntu.com/[release]/[package] to find the source
[01:50] <Resistance> :po
[01:50] <Resistance> :P *
[01:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Doesnt apt-file have a "showsrc" ? On android right now so cant check.
[01:51] <Resistance> nope
[01:52] <Resistance> note i'm checking in natty still, should probably use precise
[01:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Ahhh. Itd be in apt-cache then
[01:52] <Resistance> yep
[03:23] <steemed> Hi
[03:25] <EvilResistance> 'ello
[03:26] <steemed> Suffering from a bit of an anxiety attack, ick. Happens for no reason and I get all tensed up
[03:26] <EvilResistance> might need to get that checked.
[03:27] <steemed> Yeah, it's probably either what I grew up with and caused the depression or hypothyroidism
[03:27] <steemed> I'm self-diagnosing with hypothyroid, but a lot of the symptoms match but tests don't show that
[03:27] <EvilResistance> as i said, best get that checked.
[03:28] <steemed> yep
[03:32] <wylde> I actually got to confirm a bug I though was in error o.O
[03:32] <wylde> thought*
[03:33] <EvilResistance> wylde:  which bug
[03:33] <steemed> nice
[03:33] <wylde> Bug #994189
[03:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994189 in gnome-terminal "killall incorrect tab completion" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994189
[03:33] <wylde> tab completion really is misbehaving
[03:34] <EvilResistance> for certain programs
[03:34] <EvilResistance> works fine in zsh :P
[03:34] <wylde> EvilResistance: yeah, but even if it's some programs, it's a bug :)
[03:34] <EvilResistance> and it may even just be in bash
[03:34] <EvilResistance> did you confirm in zsh or some other shell?
[03:34] <wylde> hmmm true
[03:34] <EvilResistance> (just to be sure)
[03:34] <wylde> I'll do that
[03:35] <EvilResistance> because if the same issue happens with zsh, then its gnome-terminal, but if it happens in bash and not zsh, then... well...
[03:35] <EvilResistance> it could just be bash (so test in a tty)
[03:36] <EvilResistance> and if its reproducable in the TTY in bash and/or zsh, then it could be bash and/or zsh
[03:36] <EvilResistance> or the tab-completion package or whatever it is
[03:36] <wylde> same behaviour in tty
[03:36]  * EvilResistance is a believer in thorough testing when it comes to a terminal interface to make sure the bug isnt in the shell
[03:36] <EvilResistance> then the issue could be tab completion in bash
[03:37] <EvilResistance> or whatever shell
[03:37] <wylde> yeah
[03:37] <EvilResistance> do me a favor and load up some other shell, say zsh, and make sure tabcompletion is enablecd
[03:37] <EvilResistance> then test again
[03:38] <EvilResistance> if it happens in all shells, then it'll be a global tab-completion bug
[03:38] <EvilResistance> rather than just gnome-termina;
[03:38] <EvilResistance> gnome-terminal
[03:38] <wylde> hrmmmm
[03:38] <EvilResistance> if it doesn't happen in zsh or something in gnome-terminal and TTY, then it could just be bash tab completion
[03:39] <wylde> same in xterm
[03:40] <EvilResistance> in bash?
[03:40] <wylde> bah then it should be against gnome-terminal ....
[03:40] <wylde> yeah
[03:40] <EvilResistance> (and i didnt mean a different terminal emulator)
[03:40] <EvilResistance> (i meant an entirely different shell, i.e. not bash
[03:41] <wylde> aye
[03:42] <wylde> bahaha sh is just funny
[03:42] <EvilResistance> i dont call 'sh' a valid shell xD
[03:43] <wylde> lol well I'm not getting any real results with zsh
[03:44] <EvilResistance> real results being...
[03:45] <EvilResistance> not able to reproduce?
[03:45] <EvilResistance> (did you do theh config thing and enable tab-complete)
[03:45] <wylde> you mean the initial thing that pops up asking me to hit a key?
[03:46] <wylde> Populate your ~/.zshrc with the configuration recommended
[03:46] <wylde>      by the system administrator and exit (you will need to edit
[03:46] <wylde>      the file by hand, if so desired).
[03:46] <wylde> is the option i went with
[03:46] <EvilResistance> mmm, see i customized it
[03:47] <EvilResistance> does tab completion work on your system without additional configuring?
[03:47] <wylde> yeah I haven't, I just installed it and went with the default.
[03:47] <wylde> to a point
[03:47] <EvilResistance> did you test tab completion on something else with that?
[03:47] <wylde> not with killall plug
[03:47] <EvilResistance> with anything else
[03:47] <EvilResistance> (and if it works on other things, try killall plug[tab] )
[03:48] <wylde> Completing `process' or `corrections'
[03:48] <EvilResistance> just use the default config
[03:48] <EvilResistance> dont bother customizing
[03:49] <wylde> yeah, zsh is no help heh
[03:49] <EvilResistance> so the issue occurs there too?
[03:49] <wylde> I can't get the tab completion to work
[03:49] <wylde> no result there
[03:49] <EvilResistance> hmm
[03:50] <EvilResistance> hang on a sec
[03:50] <EvilResistance> this is 12.04 right?
[03:50] <wylde> mine is yes, the OP didn't give any details.
[03:50] <wylde> I asked them too though
[03:50] <EvilResistance> lemme test in my VM of 12.04
[03:50] <wylde> er to*
[03:51] <wylde> ooo bash-completion may be the right package
[03:51] <EvilResistance> well hang on a moment :p
[03:52]  * EvilResistance grabs his zshrc, uploads to remote-location, and opens his VM for Precise
[03:52] <wylde> I am, just trying to determine the culprit :)
[03:52] <EvilResistance> yep, i have most of the zsh tab completion active :P
[03:52]  * EvilResistance will test
[03:52] <wylde> thanks
[03:52] <EvilResistance> if i can confirm the error exists in zsh as well
[03:52] <EvilResistance> then its a bigger problem than just gnome-terminal
[03:53] <EvilResistance> if its not reproducible within zsh with most of the tab completion stuffs enabled, but happens in bash, it may be bash-completion
[03:53]  * EvilResistance will test with TTY as well
[03:53] <EvilResistance> this is why bugsquad is awesome: some of  us do more thorough testing :P
[03:53] <wylde> lol
[03:53] <EvilResistance> and we can sometimes provide alternate insights :P
[03:53]  * EvilResistance loads the VM now
[03:54] <wylde> always a good thing :)
[03:57] <wylde> bahaha, I almost killed unity with exiting a byobu shell >.<
[03:59] <EvilResistance> i'm curious what plugin-container is in...
[03:59] <EvilResistance> ahh...
[03:59] <EvilResistance> ffox i think
[03:59] <EvilResistance> and only for plugins to rujn
[04:00] <wylde> yep
[04:00] <EvilResistance> lemme load up youtube :P
[04:00] <wylde> alrighty
[04:03] <EvilResistance> hmm
[04:03] <EvilResistance> i can't confirm this exists
[04:03] <EvilResistance> tab-complete doesnt work
[04:03] <wylde> did you hit enter?
[04:04] <wylde> it LOOKS like it works, but the command won't complete
[04:04] <EvilResistance> it doesnt tab-complete :P
[04:04] <EvilResistance> that's the problem
[04:04] <wylde> not until I delete the r in container
[04:04] <EvilResistance> and bash-completion is there
[04:04] <wylde> hmm
[04:04] <EvilResistance> oh wait there it is
[04:04] <EvilResistance> yeah, it may be a bug in 'killall'
[04:05] <EvilResistance> not bash-completion
[04:05]  * EvilResistance was in ZSH ;p
[04:07] <EvilResistance> wylde:  do you think this exists in gnome-terminal?
[04:07]  * EvilResistance has to ask
[04:08] <wylde> not just gnome-terminal, same issue in xterm and tty1
[04:08] <EvilResistance> right, which makes it bash-centric
[04:08] <EvilResistance> give me a few seconds
[04:11] <EvilResistance> i'm adding that this is filed against bash-completion, but i may also file this against psmisc, and add additional details for psmisc
[04:12] <wylde> alrighty, thanks :)
[04:14] <wylde> bahaha looks like he was kubuntu too, and I only see that because he made a mistake with apt-cache policy
[04:15] <EvilResistance> damn it, i cant write correctly
[04:15] <EvilResistance> validated got autocorrected to invalidated
[04:16] <wylde> LOL
[04:16] <EvilResistance> whatever
[04:16]  * EvilResistance shrugs
[04:17] <EvilResistance> the package is 'Opinion' against gnome-terminal, but is filed against bash-completion and psmisc
[04:17] <EvilResistance> (psmisc for killall, if this bug is confirmed in any terminal emulator, should be marked 'confirmed')
[04:17] <EvilResistance> (and in any shell, including zsh
[04:17] <wylde> ahh alrighty I see.
[04:19] <EvilResistance> but as well, it may be an additional bug that needs separate filing
[04:19] <EvilResistance> actually i lied it should  be marked as confirmed
[04:21] <wylde> could possibly need to go upstream?
[04:22] <EvilResistance> for psmisc, possibly, but i'd not mark it as triageable
[04:22] <EvilResistance> i'm going to determine a potential priority for it, and poke a bugcontroller
[04:22] <wylde> heh alrighty.
[04:24] <EvilResistance> it may be either low or medium...
[04:26] <EvilResistance> wylde:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[04:26] <EvilResistance> against psmisc (in this case 'killall' command)
[04:26] <EvilResistance> what would you say the importance should be?
[04:26] <wylde> ahh I see
[04:27]  * EvilResistance wants your opinion now :P
[04:27] <wylde> lol, I'll do some reading :) then give you one :P
[04:27] <EvilResistance> well its not hard to tell
[04:27] <EvilResistance> that's an outline of what bug severity (low, medium, etc.) should be against packages
[04:28] <EvilResistance> i'm going to say low, but meh
[04:28] <wylde> I'd say low, it's basically annoying and not going to really affect the system.
[04:28] <EvilResistance> agreed.
[04:29] <EvilResistance> bugcontrol members:  LP Bug 994189.  To change: affects:psmisc: Severity change to 'Low'.  Status of 'Confirmed' is valid as it has been confirmed by myself and wylde.
[04:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994189 in psmisc "killall incorrect tab completion" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994189
[04:30] <wylde> sounds good to me
[04:31] <EvilResistance> yeah, that's my poke to bugcontrol to change the severity.  we can't, they can.
[04:31] <wylde> :)
[04:31] <wylde> could always subscribe them hehe
[04:32] <EvilResistance> nah, they're a subset of the bug squad and the bugs team
[04:32] <EvilResistance> they're just a group with more privileges
[04:33] <EvilResistance> we shouldn't subscribe them to anything, we poke them here
[04:33] <EvilResistance> same if we think a bug needs 'Triaged' status
[04:33] <EvilResistance> bugcontrol has to be poked, and the triage system says to poke here if you're not already bugcontrol
[04:33] <EvilResistance> (which we arent)
[04:33] <wylde> ahh alrighty. I'll keep that in mind, I did however subscribe the alsa team to a bug last week :)
[04:34] <EvilResistance> wylde:  that's an upstream group though
[04:34] <EvilResistance> :P
[04:34] <EvilResistance> that's a different story
[04:34] <wylde> hehe yep
[04:34] <EvilResistance> (although be careful subscribing other groups to bugs...
[04:34] <wylde> yeah I wouldn't do it all the time.
[04:34]  * EvilResistance returns to what he was doing prior to bugsquad stuff today,  which was coding
[04:35]  * wylde blares "codemonkey" on the stereo!
[04:37] <wylde> oh, and thanks for the assistance EvilResistance  :)
[04:38] <EvilResistance> mhm
[06:59] <wylde> I confirmed Bug #995747 , which 'seems' to be caused by  one line of code in the "external tools>>remove trailing spaces"     sed 's/[[:blank:]]*$//'
[06:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 995747 in gedit "Gedit: Remove trailing spaces feature removes last line." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995747
[07:59] <wylde> ok the problems not the sed >.<
[08:16] <wylde> I'm also not sure if this needs to go upstream?
[12:11] <emper0r> hi i'm new.. where is a list to see package for adoption or requesting for help or wherever call . ?
[12:16] <penguin42> emper0r: Well, the bug list on launcpad.net you should be able to find stuff requested for packaging, but there are loads of bugs on there - what are you after doing?
[12:19] <emper0r> i'm try to start help, seeking some littles and easy issues to can adapt here.. and after experience increasing my scope. particulary python/qt problems :|
[12:20] <emper0r> sorry by my english.
[12:52] <penguin42> emper0r: That's OK, so if you know python/qt why don't you look at packages that use it, and look at their lists of bugs?
[12:54] <emper0r> ok... that list exactly where is it?
[12:55] <emper0r> btw, that means exactly..  triage in othwer words?
[12:58] <penguin42> emper0r: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu    well you can triage if you want, but you can also help fix stuff
[13:24] <ersi> emper0r: If you're a Pythonista, maybe this is something that'd interest you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsQPythonVersions
[14:22] <penguin42> seeing a few people saying that apport is crashing in ubuntu.py add_hooks_info
[16:57] <jtaylor> lucid user here for some quick -proposed verification?
[16:57] <jtaylor> bug 986279
[16:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986279 in hg-git "can't clone the repo: ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986279
[19:12] <GraemeLion> If I don't have the ability to set a bug triaged, can I request it here?  Or.. an even odder question..
[19:12] <GraemeLion> The previous version of a software has a bug.  The current version does not, but the current version is supplied in a different package.  Is that bug valid?
[19:12] <micahg> GraemeLion: yes
[19:12] <micahg> GraemeLion: yes to your first question about triage :)
[19:12] <greg-g> GraemeLion: link for the second issue?
[19:13] <GraemeLion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tf/+bug/985712
[19:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 985712 in tf "when run inside a screen session, tf loses the buffer on resizing" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:13] <GraemeLion> tinyfugue (tf) and tinyfugue version5 (tf5) are two different packages
[19:14] <GraemeLion> tf5 does not contain this bug
[19:15] <greg-g> GraemeLion: odd, why are there separate packages?
[19:15] <micahg> GraemeLion: yes, valid for tf since it's still in quantal
[19:15] <GraemeLion> micahg: Okay, makes sense :D
[19:15] <GraemeLion> greg-g: Heck of a question that one.
[19:16] <GraemeLion> I have no idea, though.  There likely shouldn't be two packages here.
[19:16] <micahg> looks like tf should be removed in Debian (different maintainers though)
[19:16] <GraemeLion> And in fact, tf5 is symlinked to tf as an alternative.
[19:18]  * micahg sends a mail
[19:18] <greg-g> thanks micahg
[19:19] <greg-g> micahg: over my pay grade ;)
[19:19] <GraemeLion> Heh.  I just picked a package I was familiar with to see if it had bugs.  Was going to try to potentially fix it if necessary
[19:20] <micahg> ah, right...tf5 is still a beta, that might be why :)
[19:20]  * micahg decides not to send the e-mail
[19:20] <GraemeLion> micahg: It's been a beta for a good long while, though
[19:20] <micahg> yes, that's true
[19:20] <GraemeLion> It might only be a beta because Ken Keys dropped off the map 5 years ago :D
[19:24] <GraemeLion> Anyways, I recommend it as a low.  Workaround exists.
[20:02] <Robint91> hi all
[21:14] <wylde>  I'm thinking Bug #996090  may be a support request but I'd like another opinion since I'm not 100% positive the following comand would clear up the issue 'sudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update'
[21:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 996090 in ubuntu "dpkg error on dist-upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/996090
[21:15] <wylde> command*
[21:17] <Resistance> it's a support request, but support requests arent bugs
[21:18] <Resistance> from the bugs guides: Status: Invalid: This should be used if the reported problem is not a bug at all ...
[21:18] <Resistance> so i'm marking it as invalid, but if someone else thinks otherwise, feel free to reopen it
[21:19]  * Resistance shall return later