[00:56] <EvilResistance> does anyone here know which package the command ubuntu-bug is a part of?
[00:56] <EvilResistance> apt-file suggests apport, but i want to be sure
[00:58] <EvilResistance> nevermind, found it
[01:31] <Resistance> i'll propose it to apport, but that'd be a feature request bug, so it wouldnt necessarily need a brainstorm topic (although this needed it: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29656/ )
[01:34] <Resistance> whoops sorry
[01:34] <Resistance> wrong channel
[01:34]  * Resistance blames the laptop touchpad
[13:22] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: ah, I was confused last night, my estimation was actuall ~thursday for #1m not today
[15:27] <Noxygen> hello
[17:30] <bobweaver> Is there live streaming going on ?
[17:31] <jtaylor> if there is its impossible to find
[17:31] <tumbleweed> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/status.xsl
[17:31] <bobweaver> Hi jtaylor  yeah I  have been looking for a bit
[17:31] <broder> there are links in #ubuntu-uds
[17:32] <bobweaver> thansk tumbleweed  !
[17:32] <bobweaver> none work ^^
[17:32] <broder> hmm, i guess not? that's unfortunate
[17:32] <jtaylor> there where you look first there are no links, e.g. the room schedule or room irc channels
[17:33] <EvilResistance> last i checked, they're in lunch break
[17:33] <EvilResistance> 1PM - 2PM Eastern US
[17:33] <jtaylor> it should be 10:33 there
[17:33] <tumbleweed> correct, 10:33
[17:33] <EvilResistance> you sure?
[17:33] <tumbleweed> I'm at UDS
[17:33]  * EvilResistance is looking at the schedule as listed on the wiki, unless that is not up to date
[17:34] <bobweaver> the metting just started there live time
[17:34] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  then someone needs to give me the updated schedule links
[17:34] <bobweaver> ballroom f
[17:34] <tumbleweed> EvilResistance: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/2012-05-07/
[17:34] <bobweaver> but there is no live feed ?
[17:35] <bobweaver> I woke up early for this :)
[17:35] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: yes, icecast.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <bobweaver> Not working ^^
[17:35] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: they seem to be working. I'm ubsy recording from them: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-q/
[17:35] <tumbleweed> or is it just silent?
[17:35] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  then the pages I accessed from the UDS main page are out of date, or mis-linked
[17:36] <tumbleweed> EvilResistance: which page?
[17:36] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  might've been my end, i'll double-check later
[17:36]  * EvilResistance has to attend to a phone call
[17:36] <bobweaver> I have trid bot mp3 and xspf
[17:36] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/211431
[17:36] <bobweaver> tried *
[17:36] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: they are ogg
[17:37] <bobweaver> I am also signed in here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20676/other-q-motu-bof/
[17:37] <tumbleweed> that hasn't started yet
[17:37] <ajmitch> bobweaver: the MOTU session is in 25 min, there's noone in grand ballroom f right now
[17:38] <micahg> hmm, I was wondering, that session is scheduled twice, was that on purpose?
[17:38] <tumbleweed> I saw that too. No idea
[17:38]  * micahg is looking forward to meeting ajmitch
[17:38] <ajmitch> micahg: unlikely, but the schedule seems to change all the time
[17:38] <EpikVision> How do you do that star thing?
[17:38]  * ajmitch is in grand ballroom c right now
[17:38] <micahg> EpikVision: /me
[17:38] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: oh, I also want to mee tyou. in C too
[17:38]  * EpikVision finds this cool.
[17:38]  * EvilResistance pokes EpikVision with a /me command
[17:38] <EpikVision> AH
[17:39] <EpikVision> thanks
[17:39]  * micahg is in the security roundtable
[17:39]  * EpikVision is excited to meet MOTU people in 25 min.
[17:41] <bobweaver> ok I think I have figured out this page :)  have to use the PATH  as the path (there should just be link)
[17:42] <bobweaver> ballroom f = http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grand-ballroom-f.ogg
[17:42] <bobweaver> like that ^^
[17:42] <tumbleweed> correct
[17:42] <tumbleweed> there are links to these in the topic for each room's IRC channel
[17:44] <bobweaver> thanks tumbleweed  this is my 1st summit either there or not so I will take all the help I can get thanks again :)
[17:44] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: np :)
[17:45] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L/RemoteParticipation btw
[17:45] <tumbleweed> err that's from an old UDS
[17:45] <tumbleweed> ah, they've stopped doing that page since UDS-N
[17:45] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  that was showing up actually :P
[17:46] <EvilResistance> that was a page that someone in the LoCo i'm in distributed, that'd explain why the schedule shoed as wrong
[17:46] <EvilResistance> showed*
[17:46]  * EvilResistance sends an updated email out to his LoCo's mailing list
[17:48] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  i assume that remote IRC participation (where applicable) is #ubuntu-uds-[room] ?
[17:48] <tumbleweed> yes
[17:49] <tumbleweed> and say hi at the start of the session, so thta people know you are there
[17:49] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  will do, but i'll be lurking for the next session(s) for a while, got to go to a meeting :/
[17:50] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  also, you might poke the IRCC, have someone update the UDS room topics with current session(s), they're not updating (someone already poked the IRCC, but still)
[17:50] <iulian> What room is the MOTU bof in?
[17:50] <iulian> Oh, nevermind.
[17:50] <jtaylor> Grand Ballroom F
[17:51] <Laney> the unsigned rooms
[17:51]  * Laney spins around in circles
[17:52] <iulian> Haha.
[17:53] <bobweaver>  \0/
[17:55] <bobweaver> SSO maybe ?
[17:57] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: you need to be added to ~ubuntu-etherpad. Ask in #ubuntu-uds
[17:59] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  members automatically have access to that, right?
[17:59] <broder> EvilResistance: yes
[17:59] <bobweaver> Thanks tumbleweed  !
[17:59] <bobweaver> will do now
[18:02] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  what does that mean  ?
[18:05] <AlanBell> EvilResistance: they are updating
[18:05] <AlanBell> or grand-ballroom-h has updated
[18:09] <bobweaver> motu beginners team  !
[18:10] <micahg> MOTU bof in #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-f
[18:57] <bobweaver> Sorry if any of my questions in the meeting where off topic I am just dieing too learn :)
[19:29] <bobweaver> Is there any documention on how too find what DEPENDS you need to put in your control file ? example here is my control  file http://paste.ubuntu.com/974245/   this is how I got too that point. I installed ubuntu server ran dpkg-query -l then saved and filtered the list after that I installed my package and ran dpkg-query -l again and filtered 0out the results and then compaired the two. I did not know what ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Dep
[19:29] <bobweaver> ends}, meant at the time. but now I do kinda. is there a beeter way to do what I am trying to do and if so how too go about it. I am sure that I have too many things under Depends:  thanks for your time
[19:31] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: we try to generate them automatically where possible (so the shlibs:Depends takes care fo most libraries)
[19:31] <tumbleweed> but for packages like that, you as the maintainer are expected to list the things it needs
[19:31] <tumbleweed> I'm suprised to see libs listed in there...
[19:32] <bobweaver> can I run command too see what shlibs picks up by default ?
[19:32] <bobweaver> so I do not put in control file ?
[19:32] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: shlibs picks up shared libaries
[19:32] <tumbleweed> you can see what it picked up, by looking at debian/$package.substitutions
[19:33] <bobweaver> but is there a command too see what ones it uses. like lets take mysql-server
[19:33] <jtaylor> bobweaver: please use wrap-and-sort on so long depends lines
[19:33] <bobweaver> redoing now
[19:33] <bobweaver> re-doing *
[19:33] <jtaylor> there are some tools
[19:34] <jtaylor> but they never catch everything
[19:34] <jtaylor> especially in such a package
[19:35] <jtaylor> can't remember any names, autoapt or so, but its more for getting the depends from a configure script not at runtime
[19:35] <bobweaver>  ldd  lists all ?
[19:35] <bobweaver> like
[19:35] <jtaylor> ldd is covered by shlib:Depends
[19:36] <bobweaver> I see do if I look at that then I can see what not too put in control file ?
[19:36] <jtaylor> anything that starts with lib and is not perl you normally don't have to list
[19:36] <bobweaver> sweet thanks
[19:37] <jtaylor> just check the substvars after a build
[19:41] <bobweaver> so just to clarify I am going too use toilet as a example if I run whereis toilet I find that it is under /usr/bin/toilet  Now if I run. ldd /usr/bin/toilet      I get all the shDepends  now I do not need to include anything that is on that list too the control file ?
[19:41] <jtaylor> yes
[19:42] <bobweaver> thanks
[19:42] <jtaylor> the only elf shared libraries you have to add by hand are plugins
[19:42] <jtaylor> which are loaded at runtime
[19:42] <bobweaver> what does ${misc:Depends}  do ?
[19:42] <jtaylor> misc stuff :)
[19:42] <bobweaver> I have asked this before but I am thick sometimes
[19:43] <jtaylor> e.g. debhelper may need to add stuff
[19:43] <bobweaver> is there a way too see what misc stuff is in a package like ldd  ?
[19:43] <jtaylor> common example is when you use --link-doc, it adds a dependency on the main package (and then lintian complains...)
[19:43] <jtaylor> read the substvars file
[19:43] <jtaylor> 21:31 <tumbleweed> you can see what it picked up, by looking at debian/$package.substitutions
[19:44] <bobweaver> I see
[19:44] <bobweaver> sorry like I said I am thick but when I get it I get it :)
[19:45] <bobweaver> so it is sor my  files that I push in my make file too $(DETDIR)
[19:45] <bobweaver> $(DESTDIR)*
[19:45] <bobweaver> arghh
[19:45] <bobweaver> $(DISTDIR)*
[19:46] <jtaylor> its DESTDIR
[19:47] <bobweaver> lol I thinks that we have talked about this before :)
[19:47] <bobweaver> but I am correct about above ?
[19:47] <jtaylor> I don't understand the question
[19:47] <bobweaver> s|sor|for
[19:48] <bobweaver> so ${misc:Depends}  is for my  files that I push in my make file too $(DESTDIR)  is there anything else it does ?
[19:49] <jtaylor> no its for misc dependencies from e.g. debhelper scripts
[19:49] <bobweaver> OHH
[19:49] <jtaylor> its empty in most cases
[19:53] <bobweaver> jtaylor,  I took your advice for yesterday and made a whole new framework for upsource  I think that it is alot better it can be found here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/zpanelcp/zpanelcp/files    as you can see my Makefile is now only 3 commands and I fully understand how the make file works now. This is all because of you just thought that you would like too hear that
[19:55] <jtaylor> source files in /etc? oO
[19:56] <jtaylor> also start stop are far to generic for /usr/bin
[19:56] <jtaylor> e.g. it conflicts with upstart
[19:56] <jtaylor> so every ubuntu system
[19:56] <jtaylor> a no upstart is in /sbin/
[19:56] <jtaylor> still bad
[19:56] <bobweaver> so make into zpanelx-start
[19:57] <jtaylor> yes
[19:57] <bobweaver> I want to link it too services
[19:58] <bobweaver> So user can do sudo services zpanelx-start /stop
[19:58] <jtaylor> you need init scripts or upstart or systemd job files for that
[19:58] <bobweaver> Thanks I will look into that
[20:39] <EvilResistance> anyone know whether there's a UDS session on the LiveCD and installation of Ubuntu?  not sure if this is where i'd correctly ask, but...
[20:40]  * EvilResistance can't find one, and already searched the entire schedule, and wants to make sure he didnt miss something
[21:02] <tumbleweed> I poked jono to schedule https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-debian
[21:02] <tumbleweed> err
[21:02] <tumbleweed> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-debian
[21:02] <Laney> YOU BEAUTY
[21:02] <tumbleweed> lol
[21:03] <sladen> EvilResistance: probably under Foundations if it's happening
[21:03] <sladen> EvilResistance: was there something specific you had in mind?
[21:03] <sladen> btw, remote people.  http://video.ubuntu.com/live/  is working now, live
[21:03] <EvilResistance> sladen:  yeah... but i posted the idea(s) to brainstorm instead
[21:04] <EvilResistance> sladen:  since i then realized the topic i wanted to bring up was a feature-request/change in ubiquity :P
[21:04] <EvilResistance> my second thought was its better to use brainstorm for that :P