=== Resistance is now known as EvilResistance [00:56] does anyone here know which package the command ubuntu-bug is a part of? [00:56] apt-file suggests apport, but i want to be sure [00:58] nevermind, found it === EvilResistance is now known as Resistance [01:31] i'll propose it to apport, but that'd be a feature request bug, so it wouldnt necessarily need a brainstorm topic (although this needed it: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29656/ ) [01:34] whoops sorry [01:34] wrong channel [01:34] * Resistance blames the laptop touchpad === pi-rho is now known as pi-rho|away === Resistance is now known as EvilResistance === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [13:22] tumbleweed: ah, I was confused last night, my estimation was actuall ~thursday for #1m not today [15:27] hello === itnet7 is now known as itnet7_uds === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:30] Is there live streaming going on ? [17:31] if there is its impossible to find [17:31] http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/status.xsl [17:31] Hi jtaylor yeah I have been looking for a bit [17:31] there are links in #ubuntu-uds [17:32] thansk tumbleweed ! [17:32] none work ^^ [17:32] hmm, i guess not? that's unfortunate [17:32] there where you look first there are no links, e.g. the room schedule or room irc channels [17:33] last i checked, they're in lunch break [17:33] 1PM - 2PM Eastern US [17:33] it should be 10:33 there [17:33] correct, 10:33 [17:33] you sure? [17:33] I'm at UDS [17:33] * EvilResistance is looking at the schedule as listed on the wiki, unless that is not up to date [17:34] the metting just started there live time [17:34] tumbleweed: then someone needs to give me the updated schedule links [17:34] ballroom f [17:34] EvilResistance: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/2012-05-07/ [17:34] but there is no live feed ? [17:35] I woke up early for this :) [17:35] bobweaver: yes, icecast.ubuntu.com [17:35] Not working ^^ [17:35] bobweaver: they seem to be working. I'm ubsy recording from them: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-q/ [17:35] or is it just silent? [17:35] tumbleweed: then the pages I accessed from the UDS main page are out of date, or mis-linked [17:36] EvilResistance: which page? [17:36] tumbleweed: might've been my end, i'll double-check later [17:36] * EvilResistance has to attend to a phone call [17:36] I have trid bot mp3 and xspf [17:36] http://imagebin.org/211431 [17:36] tried * [17:36] bobweaver: they are ogg [17:37] I am also signed in here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20676/other-q-motu-bof/ [17:37] that hasn't started yet [17:37] bobweaver: the MOTU session is in 25 min, there's noone in grand ballroom f right now [17:38] hmm, I was wondering, that session is scheduled twice, was that on purpose? [17:38] I saw that too. No idea [17:38] * micahg is looking forward to meeting ajmitch [17:38] micahg: unlikely, but the schedule seems to change all the time [17:38] How do you do that star thing? [17:38] * ajmitch is in grand ballroom c right now [17:38] EpikVision: /me [17:38] ajmitch: oh, I also want to mee tyou. in C too [17:38] * EpikVision finds this cool. [17:38] * EvilResistance pokes EpikVision with a /me command [17:38] AH [17:39] thanks [17:39] * micahg is in the security roundtable [17:39] * EpikVision is excited to meet MOTU people in 25 min. [17:41] ok I think I have figured out this page :) have to use the PATH as the path (there should just be link) [17:42] ballroom f = http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grand-ballroom-f.ogg [17:42] like that ^^ [17:42] correct [17:42] there are links to these in the topic for each room's IRC channel [17:44] thanks tumbleweed this is my 1st summit either there or not so I will take all the help I can get thanks again :) [17:44] bobweaver: np :) [17:45] bobweaver: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L/RemoteParticipation btw [17:45] err that's from an old UDS [17:45] ah, they've stopped doing that page since UDS-N [17:45] tumbleweed: that was showing up actually :P [17:46] that was a page that someone in the LoCo i'm in distributed, that'd explain why the schedule shoed as wrong [17:46] showed* [17:46] * EvilResistance sends an updated email out to his LoCo's mailing list [17:48] tumbleweed: i assume that remote IRC participation (where applicable) is #ubuntu-uds-[room] ? [17:48] yes [17:49] and say hi at the start of the session, so thta people know you are there [17:49] tumbleweed: will do, but i'll be lurking for the next session(s) for a while, got to go to a meeting :/ [17:50] tumbleweed: also, you might poke the IRCC, have someone update the UDS room topics with current session(s), they're not updating (someone already poked the IRCC, but still) [17:50] What room is the MOTU bof in? [17:50] Oh, nevermind. [17:50] Grand Ballroom F [17:51] the unsigned rooms [17:51] * Laney spins around in circles [17:52] Haha. [17:53] \0/ [17:55] SSO maybe ? [17:57] bobweaver: you need to be added to ~ubuntu-etherpad. Ask in #ubuntu-uds [17:59] tumbleweed: members automatically have access to that, right? [17:59] EvilResistance: yes [17:59] Thanks tumbleweed ! [17:59] will do now [18:02] tumbleweed, what does that mean ? [18:05] EvilResistance: they are updating [18:05] or grand-ballroom-h has updated [18:09] motu beginners team ! [18:10] MOTU bof in #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-f [18:57] Sorry if any of my questions in the meeting where off topic I am just dieing too learn :) [19:29] Is there any documention on how too find what DEPENDS you need to put in your control file ? example here is my control file http://paste.ubuntu.com/974245/ this is how I got too that point. I installed ubuntu server ran dpkg-query -l then saved and filtered the list after that I installed my package and ran dpkg-query -l again and filtered 0out the results and then compaired the two. I did not know what ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Dep [19:29] ends}, meant at the time. but now I do kinda. is there a beeter way to do what I am trying to do and if so how too go about it. I am sure that I have too many things under Depends: thanks for your time [19:31] bobweaver: we try to generate them automatically where possible (so the shlibs:Depends takes care fo most libraries) [19:31] but for packages like that, you as the maintainer are expected to list the things it needs [19:31] I'm suprised to see libs listed in there... [19:32] can I run command too see what shlibs picks up by default ? [19:32] so I do not put in control file ? [19:32] bobweaver: shlibs picks up shared libaries [19:32] you can see what it picked up, by looking at debian/$package.substitutions [19:33] but is there a command too see what ones it uses. like lets take mysql-server [19:33] bobweaver: please use wrap-and-sort on so long depends lines [19:33] redoing now [19:33] re-doing * [19:33] there are some tools [19:34] but they never catch everything [19:34] especially in such a package [19:35] can't remember any names, autoapt or so, but its more for getting the depends from a configure script not at runtime [19:35] ldd lists all ? [19:35] like [19:35] ldd is covered by shlib:Depends [19:36] I see do if I look at that then I can see what not too put in control file ? [19:36] anything that starts with lib and is not perl you normally don't have to list [19:36] sweet thanks [19:37] just check the substvars after a build [19:41] so just to clarify I am going too use toilet as a example if I run whereis toilet I find that it is under /usr/bin/toilet Now if I run. ldd /usr/bin/toilet I get all the shDepends now I do not need to include anything that is on that list too the control file ? [19:41] yes [19:42] thanks [19:42] the only elf shared libraries you have to add by hand are plugins [19:42] which are loaded at runtime [19:42] what does ${misc:Depends} do ? [19:42] misc stuff :) [19:42] I have asked this before but I am thick sometimes [19:43] e.g. debhelper may need to add stuff [19:43] is there a way too see what misc stuff is in a package like ldd ? [19:43] common example is when you use --link-doc, it adds a dependency on the main package (and then lintian complains...) [19:43] read the substvars file [19:43] 21:31 you can see what it picked up, by looking at debian/$package.substitutions [19:44] I see [19:44] sorry like I said I am thick but when I get it I get it :) [19:45] so it is sor my files that I push in my make file too $(DETDIR) [19:45] $(DESTDIR)* [19:45] arghh [19:45] $(DISTDIR)* [19:46] its DESTDIR [19:47] lol I thinks that we have talked about this before :) [19:47] but I am correct about above ? [19:47] I don't understand the question [19:47] s|sor|for [19:48] so ${misc:Depends} is for my files that I push in my make file too $(DESTDIR) is there anything else it does ? [19:49] no its for misc dependencies from e.g. debhelper scripts [19:49] OHH [19:49] its empty in most cases [19:53] jtaylor, I took your advice for yesterday and made a whole new framework for upsource I think that it is alot better it can be found here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/zpanelcp/zpanelcp/files as you can see my Makefile is now only 3 commands and I fully understand how the make file works now. This is all because of you just thought that you would like too hear that [19:55] source files in /etc? oO [19:56] also start stop are far to generic for /usr/bin [19:56] e.g. it conflicts with upstart [19:56] so every ubuntu system [19:56] a no upstart is in /sbin/ [19:56] still bad [19:56] so make into zpanelx-start [19:57] yes [19:57] I want to link it too services [19:58] So user can do sudo services zpanelx-start /stop [19:58] you need init scripts or upstart or systemd job files for that [19:58] Thanks I will look into that [20:39] anyone know whether there's a UDS session on the LiveCD and installation of Ubuntu? not sure if this is where i'd correctly ask, but... [20:40] * EvilResistance can't find one, and already searched the entire schedule, and wants to make sure he didnt miss something [21:02] I poked jono to schedule https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-debian [21:02] err [21:02] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-debian [21:02] YOU BEAUTY [21:02] lol [21:03] EvilResistance: probably under Foundations if it's happening [21:03] EvilResistance: was there something specific you had in mind? [21:03] btw, remote people. http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ is working now, live [21:03] sladen: yeah... but i posted the idea(s) to brainstorm instead [21:04] sladen: since i then realized the topic i wanted to bring up was a feature-request/change in ubiquity :P [21:04] my second thought was its better to use brainstorm for that :P === EvilResistance is now known as Resistance === andreas__ is now known as ahasenack