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| SpamapS | ahhh, the hum of UDS | 17:03 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 17:03 |
| SpamapS | pong | 17:05 |
| SpamapS | .org backslash foo | 17:05 |
| smoser | hello, mr SpamapS | 17:05 |
| achuni | aha | 17:07 |
| SpamapS | what is your launchpad username? You need to be in ~ubuntu-etherpad | 17:09 |
| geofft | is there a link to a good technical description of juju for those of us who haven't been paying attention? | 17:10 |
| geofft | I'm afraid "DevOps distilled" just confuses me more | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | I believe archive refresh frequency was increased during the P cycle | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | The Packages file could be versioned, and the Release file would only point to one version that is already known to exist | 17:12 |
| SpamapS | Release file contains hashes for Packages.gz , Packages.gz and Release are not updated at the exact same time. | 17:13 |
| med_ | geofft, https://juju.ubuntu.com/ Juju provides service orchestration. | 17:16 |
| med_ | geofft, you could possibly ask for more tech info in #juju-dev | 17:16 |
| med_ | https://juju.ubuntu.com/Documentation | 17:16 |
| med_ | https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/faq.html | 17:17 |
| geofft | med_: the Documentation page is helping a bit, thanks. | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | $ wc -l /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_ubuntu_dists_precise_Release | 17:19 |
| med_ | geofft, also, feel free to ask those type of questions on #ubuntu-server. I probably should have referenced it first. | 17:19 |
| SpamapS | 492 /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_ubuntu_dists_precise_Release | 17:19 |
| SpamapS | This problem presents itself in web development as well. Think of the network of Ubuntu mirrors as a CDN .. when yahoo wants to update an image, they do so by appending a query string to the URL which forces CDN caches to re-fetch it from origin... | 17:22 |
| SpamapS | the format on the archive may not need to change | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | NO | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | 077178d834ac0195a9141ed0aa8568f684776dc57d33edf3e6b38c9a2543f256 1677114 main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | can become $MIRROR/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz?hash=077178d834ac0195a9141ed0aa8568f684776dc57d33edf3e6b38c9a2543f256 | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | ^^ | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | ^^ | 17:26 |
| smoser | reading now dummy | 17:26 |
| smoser | :) | 17:26 |
| * SpamapS takes a deep breath | 17:26 | |
| SpamapS | Sorry I had a local interruption when you guys responded | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | ? | 17:27 |
| rbasak | So we would add a new by-hash/07717...256 symlink which points to the correct versioned Packages.gz file. That's all. | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | why do we need a new file? | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | It does mean you may still get a fail, but you just need to fetch again. | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | its not dynamic respondse | 17:29 |
| SpamapS | its just avoiding caching the wrong file | 17:29 |
| SpamapS | yes its a much tinier window though | 17:32 |
| smoser | SpamapS, on a very dumb object store it is different. | 17:34 |
| SpamapS | smoser: I'm only avoiding problms in the intermediate caches. Are you saying S3 would interpret the query string to mean something? | 17:35 |
| smoser | as its a different path. you're suggesting that the web service will know to cut off ?.*. but thats an assumption (i'm not sure if it is true with s3 or not) | 17:35 |
| SpamapS | smoser: understood, they may just make that a static lookup and not chop it off. | 17:36 |
| smoser | s3 does seem to chop ?.* off | 17:37 |
| SpamapS | rbasak: I made that assertion incorrectly btw, pdiff doesn't solve the problem :-/ | 17:38 |
| SpamapS | are there issues w/ symlinks in S3? | 17:43 |
| tumbleweed | presumably copies aren't a problem | 17:44 |
| smoser | there are no symlinks in s3. | 17:44 |
| smoser | you just have to load additional files. | 17:44 |
| tumbleweed | we're only talking about symlinks for Packages files... | 17:44 |
| SpamapS | right ok so its just a second stored copy | 17:44 |
| smoser | right. | 17:44 |
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| SpamapS | 6 minutes. Actions? | 17:48 |
| SpamapS | I'd suggest moving those Actions to the top of the etherpad, hard to find in there | 17:51 |
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| xnox | [TOPIC] Plans for Python 3.3 (and 3.4) availability | 18:04 |
| xnox | Plans for Python 3.3 (and 3.4) availability | 18:04 |
| xnox | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20416/foundations-q-python33/ | 18:04 |
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| xnox | anyone knows where is the link to Barry's way of building python2 & python3 packages from the same debian source package? | 18:22 |
| jtaylor | http://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide probably | 18:23 |
| xnox | jtaylor: thanks a lot | 18:25 |
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| brendand | hi! | 19:01 |
| timchen119 | o/ | 19:01 |
| josephliu | o/ | 19:02 |
| brendand | o/ | 19:10 |
| brendand | it's worth pointing out that we do test the *reader*, just not with the specific mmc format | 19:11 |
| brendand | how often do we see *only* mmc cards not working? | 19:13 |
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| brendand | also, does it achieve 3.0 speeds | 19:26 |
| brendand | ? | 19:26 |
| brendand | you don't need to drop them to test that | 19:41 |
| roadmr_uds | brendand: the synthesizing event is a good proposal :) | 19:43 |
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| zyga | hello | 22:03 |
| ppetraki | hi | 22:03 |
| spineau | hello ! | 22:03 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:06 |
| zyga | hey cr3! | 22:18 |
| ppetraki | o/ | 22:20 |
| roadmr_uds | zyga, ppetraki : got questions or comments? | 22:21 |
| ppetraki | roadmr_uds, ny, thanks | 22:21 |
| roadmr_uds | do let me know if there are questions or comments so I can alert people here | 22:22 |
| zyga | I'm interested to hear more about what's described, are there any slides too? | 22:22 |
| roadmr_uds | zyga: yes, cgregan has slides | 22:23 |
| zyga | I have one general comment but that's something that can happen after the session: I strongly believe that checkbox and lava should be one project, one strong libaray of tools that don't need to duplicate internals, but that's not the topic of this session | 22:23 |
| zyga | s/libary/library/ | 22:23 |
| ppetraki | I'm still on the fence as to how much either project offers in addition to autotest | 22:23 |
| roadmr_uds | zyga: exactly :) we'll mention that in a moment | 22:23 |
| roadmr_uds | zyga, ppetraki : for the moment you can look at this, it's the basics of the architecture (though cgregan's slides are nicer) | 22:25 |
| roadmr_uds | http://people.canonical.com/~cr3/checkbox-core/submit.html | 22:25 |
| ppetraki | as an integrator, you'll want to be able to leverage existing "batteries included" frameworks like autotest and LTP, and then focus on my custom product. | 22:25 |
| zyga | cr3: lava has the same problem | 22:32 |
| roadmr_uds | zyga: grown too complex and people don't find it easy to contribute? | 22:34 |
| zyga | roadmr_uds, no, actually, started too specific and hard for non-linaro to consume | 22:34 |
| zyga | roadmr_uds, it's getting community (yay) slowly | 22:34 |
| zyga | roadmr_uds, but I always felt that we should put equal effort on random developers using it and being interested and special custom cases needed for linaro | 22:35 |
| zyga | even if that costs us tons of time (like 50%) | 22:35 |
| zyga | and non arm support (as we currently just start to get x86 support via community contributions) | 22:36 |
| zyga | roadmr_uds, we started a process to simplify a few things in lava for both users and potential contributors alike | 22:36 |
| ppetraki | I wish QA folks would blog their tricky feats more, its a bit of an art to harness something and not create massive amounts of new code, that's just as complicated as the software you're trying to test. | 22:36 |
| zyga | yeah, blogging is usef, but then again, when you have a really cool and useful product others do that for you | 22:37 |
| zyga | we're just not there yet | 22:37 |
| zyga | it's not like I need to read blog posts about github to know it's useful or how to use it | 22:37 |
| zyga | to the speaker: lava had similar concerns | 22:42 |
| zyga | for test developers | 22:42 |
| zyga | and integrators | 22:42 |
| zyga | that were running tests on their machine | 22:42 |
| zyga | and did not want to hang the kernel on purpose | 22:42 |
| zyga | like powe management tests | 22:42 |
| zyga | so we were considering adding a flag that would mark a test as unsafe | 22:43 |
| zyga | (in the test meta data) | 22:43 |
| ppetraki | fwts has a sane test case organization | 22:43 |
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| zyga | so running on my workstation, I would not easily just run certain tests while exploring | 22:43 |
| zyga | what is fwts? | 22:43 |
| ppetraki | ACPI focused test suite | 22:43 |
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| zyga | (lava considers tests a free market, there is no taxonomy there, test is just a brand, you install it by name and then you can run it) | 22:44 |
| spineau | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/fwts | 22:44 |
| ppetraki | might be a nice use case for cb-core to harness fwts | 22:45 |
| roadmr_uds | ppetraki: checkbox already uses fwts for some tests | 22:46 |
| * zyga is here ;-) | 22:48 | |
| zyga | (the dispatcher is now slowly being integrated in the lava-core) | 22:50 |
| zyga | but essentially yes, it's one thing that sits next to your devices | 22:50 |
| zyga | maas is interesting, I feel that lava could benefit form that as we essentially need to do maas for arm dev boards today | 22:50 |
| zyga | (sadly arm dev kits are not server grade hardware that was designed for this) | 22:51 |
| zyga | cr3: do you have anything that looks at the overall tests plan before it even allocates the hardware, to check if it makes sense? | 22:54 |
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| zyga | especially if you have many-machine tests (I'm not sure as I got confused by the discussion) | 22:55 |
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| spineau | Fork-exec cr3 | 22:58 |
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| zyga | cr3: do you have a time to chat today? | 22:58 |
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| ppetraki | thanks guys | 23:00 |
| roadmr_uds | zyga: I'll tell him so he can try to find you (cr3, that is) heh | 23:01 |
| roadmr_uds | bye folks! | 23:01 |
| zyga | roadmr_uds, thanks | 23:01 |
| spineau | bye | 23:01 |
| zyga | I can hear you : | 23:01 |
| zyga | it's not late, I just changed the timezone and I pretend it's early | 23:02 |
| zyga | :) | 23:02 |
| zyga | ok | 23:02 |
| zyga | sure, I just want a quick chat | 23:02 |
| zyga | but it can be anytime | 23:02 |
| zyga | just prefer early in the week | 23:02 |
| zyga | as it can spawn more discussion later | 23:02 |
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