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dakerhello16:59
YoBoYhi everyone17:01
dakerhello uds-room-20117:02
YoBoYhi laura17:02
Cheri703hola folks!17:03
pleia2hello :)17:04
mhall119can those of you listening to the icecast hear us okay?17:07
dakeryep17:07
YoBoYyes17:07
mhall119cool17:07
dakerHuston, we have a sound problem ツ17:12
YoBoYsound broken here :]17:12
YoBoY^^"17:12
Cheri703yeah, mine too, was just refreshing to be sure17:12
AlanBellis it working in other rooms?17:13
cielakother rooms work17:13
YoBoYyes in grand ballroom a and b17:13
dakerAlanBell, yes17:13
dakeruds-room-201, Houston we have a problem17:14
dakermhall119, ^17:14
YoBoYwho played with the jack ? :)17:14
AlanBelljono is checking connections17:15
* dscassel is happy folks are looking into it. :)17:15
mhall119daker: you could hear us earlier right?17:15
dakermhall119, yep 4min ago17:16
mhall119nothing now?17:16
YoBoYnope17:16
mhall119hmmm, we didn't touch anything..17:17
mhall119are any other icecast feeds for the other rooms working for you?17:17
YoBoYyes17:17
dakeryes grand-ballroom-a/b17:17
Cheri703audio!17:18
YoBoYyes working17:18
philipballewnice!17:18
dakeryes17:18
YoBoYthanks you17:18
Cheri703yes17:18
YoBoYwho is to blame ?17:18
dakerblame chris17:18
Cheri703we're good, and whoever said my name said it right \o/ good job ;)17:18
dholbachhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20723/community-roundtable-monday/17:20
dakeroh dholbach ツ17:20
dholbachsalut daker :)17:21
dakersalut17:21
YoBoYcan we talk also how locos can point efficiently to the new localized system documentation ?17:24
YoBoYyes17:24
YoBoYhttps://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/index.html << here it's localized17:24
YoBoYcool :)17:25
mhall119YoBoY: come to the help.u.c and SUMO sessions, SUMO lets us handle localization better17:28
YoBoYmhall119: I'll try, not easy, I have an ubuntu party to organize after my work day ^^"17:29
nik90haha17:46
YoBoYthanks17:46
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YoBoYarrête de parler huats17:55
huatsYoBoY: oups17:55
YoBoY^^17:55
SpamapSo/ hello from LA LA land17:59
SpamapSjust lost the audio feed18:00
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SpamapSyes, proceed :)18:03
SpamapSI have to wonder if there is some parallel work going on in OpenStack's glance18:06
SpamapSThe OpenStack API has a call to describe instance types with their attributes18:07
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SpamapSECU is a rough measurement that is at least repeatable, "CPU" is much harder to define.18:13
SpamapS+1 for discouraging custom image use18:17
SpamapSWe should look at making it easier to have juju create images or other ways to optimize away the pain of repeating painful, long installs.18:17
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SpamapS+1 for resource map being a static file. We can iterate on tools to generate it from various providers and public data sources.18:20
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SpamapSthe expression of the data in a dictionary in yaml doesn't preclude other ways of interpretting it.18:23
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SpamapSWe can generate that map for openstack and maas into the same static format18:29
SpamapSec2 is undefined in private clouds being accessed via the EC2 API18:34
SpamapSI don't know how much data openstack exposes about image OS18:35
SpamapSEucalyptus and CloudStack are not insignificant.18:36
SpamapSImages are resources. :)18:38
SpamapSperhaps the layer of abstraction needs to be   class BaseResourceMap(object), class DynamicOSAPIResourceMap(BaseResourceMap), class StaticResourceMap(BaseResourceMap)18:41
SpamapS"best effort"18:43
SpamapS**10 minutes**18:45
SpamapS"Ubuntu" is already a service provider with https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query18:46
SpamapSGiving people an option to just change that URL, is a decent first step.18:46
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SpamapSSee you all in Room 208! ;)18:52
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sladenevening people22:00
sladenhttp://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-201.ogg.m3u22:00
sladenirc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#ubuntu-uds-room-20122:00
sladenhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20745/design-theatre/22:00
mptI'm looking at Kazam 1.0.6 (the version installable in Ubuntu 12.04), and I notice a couple of things22:21
mptOne is that it presents "Video source" and "Record Region" as if they are separate, when really, they are mutually exclusive22:21
mptIt could be a single toggle between "Select an area", "Active window", or "Whole screen"22:22
me4oslav_BTW, i am the other Kazam guy. Please, don't use the 1.0.6 release, it's a bit of ancient :P22:22
mptwith any extra displays being offered only if there are any22:23
mptme4oslav_, what's the easiest way to install the latest version?22:23
me4oslav_A second :P22:23
me4oslav_There :022:24
me4oslav_bzr branch lp:kazam sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra cd kazam python setup.py build sudo python setup.py install that's all22:24
mptThat looks like it needs a few &&s22:24
me4oslav_just not a single command :D ... Copy/paste to IRC could be a pain :/22:24
me4oslav_yeah, &&s are a must22:24
* mpt installing the latest version now22:25
sladenme4oslav_: can you paste that again with '&&' between each command, it's earlier for anyone else reading the logs22:26
me4oslav_sure :)22:26
mptgi._glib.GError: Failed to open file '/home/mpt/kazam/share/kazam/ui/kazam.ui': No such file or director22:27
me4oslav_bzr branch lp:kazam && sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra && cd kazam python && python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install22:27
mpty22:27
me4oslav_Err a second to try22:27
mptme4oslav_, "cd kazam python" doesn't look right22:28
me4oslav_facewall :D22:28
me4oslav_bzr branch lp:kazam && sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra && cd kazam && python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install22:28
me4oslav_those should be ok :P22:28
mptme4oslav_, same error as above22:30
me4oslav_a second trying it :)22:30
mpthttp://paste.ubuntu.com/974616/22:30
mptAlso click marks to show when you cliecked or double-clicked22:32
me4oslav_http://paste.ubuntu.com/974625/ works fine for me22:32
me4oslav_@mpt sure you were in your home folder when you branched it?22:33
mptme4oslav_, yes.22:33
me4oslav_Just a second :)22:35
me4oslav_Ok, mpt get this - http://ubuntuone.com/5nXMNkq34N2dYGoLOXbEBV22:36
me4oslav_unrar it and than install it22:36
mptme4oslav_, and471 asked me to design Kazam last year. I never got time for it unfortunately, but here's an initial sketch I did: http://imgur.com/1dojw22:39
me4oslav_Ok, here is the thing. Can you please hope on #kazam (freenode) when you can and then we can talk about the Ui as much as we want to :) ... And you can always change the digital mockups ...22:41
sladenI keep on missing it, what's the current program called (the email cient)22:42
mptsure thing22:42
sladenclient22:42
mptsladen, Geary22:42
sladenmpt: ta22:43
mptWith the current layout, the toolbar buttons are much closer to the list of mail folders (which they don't apply to) than to the messages (which they do apply to)22:46
mptYou could move the toolbar to the bottom of the message/conversation pane22:46
gua-uds#ubuntu-uds-room-20222:49
mptI don't think consistency is important here. The toolbar is at the bottom of the Shotwell window -- has anyone ever complained about that?22:53
mptThe same logic applies there; the actions are applying to photos rather than photo collections.22:53
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mptSo the Drafts folder would be like a Geary-specific taskbar22:57
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sladendid any more projects/questions come in?  is there enough to run it again tomorrow?23:00
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sladenthank you all.  I look forward to the improvements in Kazam and Geary for the next release23:02
sladendid anyone take any photos during the session?23:05
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sladenwe could do with something to illustrate the Design Theatre for for next time23:05
mptO_o23:08
txwikingerHello kubuntu meeting23:13
Resistancehello, Kubuntu Quantal Development meeting :)23:13
txwikingeryes23:15
txwikingerwe can hear y'all23:15
Resistancewe can *hear* you on the stream :P23:15
sladenit sounds like a bunch of monkies23:15
Resistancelol @ sladen23:15
Resistanceit'll clear up23:15
Resistanceso when're you starting the meeting, its two minutes past the start :P23:17
txwikingerTime to start!23:17
txwikinger#ubuntu-uds-room-20123:17
Resistanceyes that room :P23:17
sladenyou just attend UDS in-person.  Misses all the hassle23:18
rbelem:-D23:18
tsdgeos_hi ho23:18
Resistanceyou guys there at UDS know you're almost 5 minutes past start time right?23:18
sladenit's actually linked off the Schedule now if you can get there23:18
sladenResistance: it's 20 past midnight, if that's what you mean23:18
afiestasyo23:19
txwikingerWe always have to wait for those people talking in the hallways half the time :-)23:19
Resistancehey Riddel, could you perhaps use a lighter highlight color on the etherpad?  xD23:20
Resistancethanks, Riddel, that's easier to see :P23:21
Resistanceyou're live on the audio stream, to answer your question :P23:21
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* txwikinger is Ralph Janke23:23
Resistancelol...23:23
DarkwingUDSyeah I now23:23
DarkwingUDS*know23:23
* txwikinger is self-employed23:23
* txwikinger is in Canada and also the contact for Kubuntu-de and Ubuntu Canada LoCo23:24
DarkwingUDS:D23:25
Riddellhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20593/kubuntu-q-development/23:25
txwikingeryes please23:25
DarkwingUDSMuon Discover video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex6QCGb_G9Q23:26
txwikingerdiscover application in ppas, other archives?23:26
Riddellhi JontheEchidna23:27
Riddellwe're talking about Muon in 12.1023:27
Riddellwhat plans are there23:27
JontheEchidnaok. I'll try to get the icecast working mometarily23:27
Riddellwhat do you think we should do with muon discover?23:27
sladenwe sort of do that :)23:27
txwikingerThat's called Hangout23:27
sladenwe used to have two-way VoIP at UDS, but the interrupts don't work if the room is unbalanced between in-the-room, and remotely23:28
rbelemLOL23:28
JontheEchidnamy recommendation would be to hold off until KDE has given us a clear UI guideline for QML-only apps, perhaps in the KF5/Qt5 timeframe23:28
Resistanceare you complaining about etherpad?23:28
JontheEchidnaand continue to use the existing QWidget-based UI23:28
JontheEchidnauntil that time23:28
sladenetherpad is ... an improvement23:28
txwikingerQt5 is August23:29
JontheEchidnaQt Desktop components will seem to be key for this, and it's set for around Qt 5.1 or 5.2 iirc23:29
JontheEchidnayes, I'm listening to the stream now23:29
JontheEchidna;)23:30
Resistanceheh23:30
bmoezi want to know what kde version kubuntu 12.10 will use?23:30
JontheEchidnaI'm sorry, you cut out for a second, could you repeat that?23:30
Riddellbmoez: another session23:30
afiestasJontheEchidna: are you going to implement an interface similar to what Muon discover has right now?23:30
ResistanceFYI UDS peoples: the stream cuts out occasionally, so you might need to occasionally repeat yourselves ;)23:31
JontheEchidnaI don't plan on placing major UI work into the current QWidget UI23:31
JontheEchidnaDiscover can be considered the replacement for the current installer23:31
DarkwingUDSResistance: Just let us know and we will respeak things.23:31
ResistanceDarkwingUDS:  that's the plan :)23:32
DarkwingUDSWhoot!23:32
JontheEchidnayes, it uses the Plasma components currently but was not built for tablets23:32
JontheEchidnawe could considered it for tablets if it could get tablet support23:32
rbelemJontheEchidna, is plasma components based on qt quick components?23:32
JontheEchidnarbelem: yes, the Plasma components are the standard set of QML components that plasmoids use23:33
JontheEchidnafor listboxes, lineedits, etc23:33
rbelemawesome23:33
Riddellcan be considered if it complies with UI guidelines yet to be specified23:33
Riddellneed adaptions for tablets23:33
RiddellJontheEchidna: happy with that ^^ ?23:33
JontheEchidnayeah23:33
JontheEchidnaI would definitely love to see it in an Active spin23:33
txwikingerwhat is that?23:33
Riddelletherpad red person name yourself!23:35
Resistancecould you not install the components required automatically with the installation package?23:35
Riddelltxwikinger: did you add "create a juju charm"?23:38
txwikingeryes23:39
Riddelltxwikinger: do you know how to do that?23:40
Riddellactually I think koolhead17 already has23:40
txwikingerRiddell: I will when it is needed23:40
Riddelltxwikinger: lovely, square up with koolhead17 on that23:40
txwikingerok23:41
txwikingerlet's use ruby :-)23:49
DarkwingUDStxwikinger: PERL23:49
* DarkwingUDS ducks and runs23:49
ResistanceO.O23:49
txwikingerDarkwingUDS: 20 years ago :-)23:50
DarkwingUDStxwikinger: Cobalt23:50
JontheEchidname ;)23:51
JontheEchidnaif we're not going to be in main23:52
JontheEchidnathen we won't have langpack issues to worry about23:52
JontheEchidnaso we could presumably switch to KDE language stuff, right?23:52
JontheEchidnaI think adding stuff to the current KDE KLocale kcm module would be a better idea than trying to maintain the old language-selector codebase23:53
DarkwingUDS++23:54
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JontheEchidnaI think in KF5 QLocale will be a whole lot more involved, yes?23:54
DarkwingUDSYes23:55
txwikinger+123:55
JontheEchidnawe could probably maintain language-selector for 1 more cycle23:55
JontheEchidnaif Ubuntu isn't breaking it anymore, then there shouldn't be too much trouble23:55
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JontheEchidnalol23:55
Resistancelol23:56
DarkwingUDSSorry for tossing you out there JontheEchidna :D23:56
JontheEchidna:P23:56
JontheEchidnathe main issue with language-selector has been Ubuntu changing stuff in the common classes23:56
JontheEchidnaand the Qt UI wasn't updated to reflect those23:56
JontheEchidnabitrot w/ a moving platform23:56
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DarkwingUDSBut, you're right, if Ubuntu isn't going to break it then it would be a matter of just packaging... Right?23:56
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txwikingerDidn't rgreening already mess with kcm_sharing at uds-l?23:59
rbelemtxwikinger, nope23:59
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