=== IdleOne is now known as Guest21295 === Guest21295 is now known as IdleOne [16:59] hello [17:01] hi everyone [17:02] hello uds-room-201 [17:02] hi laura [17:03] hola folks! [17:04] hello :) [17:07] can those of you listening to the icecast hear us okay? [17:07] yep [17:07] yes [17:07] cool [17:12] Huston, we have a sound problem ツ [17:12] sound broken here :] [17:12] ^^" [17:12] yeah, mine too, was just refreshing to be sure [17:13] is it working in other rooms? [17:13] other rooms work [17:13] yes in grand ballroom a and b [17:13] AlanBell, yes [17:14] uds-room-201, Houston we have a problem [17:14] mhall119, ^ [17:14] who played with the jack ? :) [17:15] jono is checking connections [17:15] * dscassel is happy folks are looking into it. :) [17:15] daker: you could hear us earlier right? [17:16] mhall119, yep 4min ago [17:16] nothing now? [17:16] nope [17:17] hmmm, we didn't touch anything.. [17:17] are any other icecast feeds for the other rooms working for you? [17:17] yes [17:17] yes grand-ballroom-a/b [17:18] audio! [17:18] yes working [17:18] nice! [17:18] yes [17:18] thanks you [17:18] yes [17:18] who is to blame ? [17:18] blame chris [17:18] we're good, and whoever said my name said it right \o/ good job ;) [17:20] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20723/community-roundtable-monday/ [17:20] oh dholbach ツ [17:21] salut daker :) [17:21] salut [17:24] can we talk also how locos can point efficiently to the new localized system documentation ? [17:24] yes [17:24] https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/index.html << here it's localized [17:25] cool :) [17:28] YoBoY: come to the help.u.c and SUMO sessions, SUMO lets us handle localization better [17:29] mhall119: I'll try, not easy, I have an ubuntu party to organize after my work day ^^" [17:46] haha [17:46] thanks === daker is now known as daker__ [17:55] arrête de parler huats [17:55] YoBoY: oups [17:55] ^^ [17:59] o/ hello from LA LA land [18:00] just lost the audio feed [18:00] n/m local problem [18:02] ________________ [18:02] < HELLO JUJUITES > [18:02] ---------------- [18:02] \ ^__^ [18:02] \ (oo)\_______ [18:02] (__)\ )\/\ [18:02] ||----w | [18:02] || || [18:03] yes, proceed :) [18:06] I have to wonder if there is some parallel work going on in OpenStack's glance [18:07] The OpenStack API has a call to describe instance types with their attributes [18:09] nova-manage flavor list m1.medium: Memory: 4096MB, VCPUS: 2, Storage: 40GB, FlavorID: 3, Swap: 0GB, RXTX Quota: 0GB, RXTX Cap: 0MB m1.large: Memory: 8192MB, VCPUS: 4, Storage: 80GB, FlavorID: 4, Swap: 0GB, [18:13] ECU is a rough measurement that is at least repeatable, "CPU" is much harder to define. [18:17] +1 for discouraging custom image use [18:17] We should look at making it easier to have juju create images or other ways to optimize away the pain of repeating painful, long installs. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-201 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Juju resource map | Audio: [18:20] +1 for resource map being a static file. We can iterate on tools to generate it from various providers and public data sources. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-201 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Juju resource map | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-201.ogg.m3u [18:23] the expression of the data in a dictionary in yaml doesn't preclude other ways of interpretting it. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-201 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Juju resource map | Url: | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-201.ogg.m3u === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-201 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Juju resource map | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20509/servercloud-q-juju-resource-map/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-201.ogg.m3u [18:29] We can generate that map for openstack and maas into the same static format [18:34] ec2 is undefined in private clouds being accessed via the EC2 API [18:35] I don't know how much data openstack exposes about image OS [18:36] Eucalyptus and CloudStack are not insignificant. [18:38] Images are resources. :) [18:41] perhaps the layer of abstraction needs to be class BaseResourceMap(object), class DynamicOSAPIResourceMap(BaseResourceMap), class StaticResourceMap(BaseResourceMap) [18:43] "best effort" [18:45] **10 minutes** [18:46] "Ubuntu" is already a service provider with https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query [18:46] Giving people an option to just change that URL, is a decent first step. [18:48] nova-manage flavor list [18:48] m1.medium: Memory: 4096MB, VCPUS: 2, Storage: 40GB, FlavorID: 3, Swap: 0GB, RXTX Quota: 0GB, RXTX Cap: 0MB [18:48] nova-manage flavor create --name=m1.miniscule --memory=128 --cpu=1 --local_gb=20 --flavor=6 --swap=0 --rxtx_quota=0 --rxtx_cap=0 [18:50] uds-room-201: 5 minutes left in this session! [18:50] ___________ [18:50] < 5 minutes > [18:50] ----------- [18:50] \ ^__^ [18:50] \ (oo)\_______ [18:50] (__)\ )\/\ [18:50] ||----w | [18:50] || || [18:51] uds-room-201: 4 minutes left in this session! [18:52] uds-room-201: 3 minutes left in this session! [18:52] See you all in Room 208! ;) [18:53] uds-room-201: 2 minutes left in this session! [18:54] uds-room-201: 1 minute left in this session! [18:55] uds-room-201: This session has ended. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-201 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/room-201/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-room-201.log === zyga_ is now known as zyga === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-201 to: Track: Design | Design Theatre | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20745/design-theatre/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-201.ogg.m3u [22:00] evening people [22:00] http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-201.ogg.m3u [22:00] irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#ubuntu-uds-room-201 [22:00] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20745/design-theatre/ [22:21] I'm looking at Kazam 1.0.6 (the version installable in Ubuntu 12.04), and I notice a couple of things [22:21] One is that it presents "Video source" and "Record Region" as if they are separate, when really, they are mutually exclusive [22:22] It could be a single toggle between "Select an area", "Active window", or "Whole screen" [22:22] BTW, i am the other Kazam guy. Please, don't use the 1.0.6 release, it's a bit of ancient :P [22:23] with any extra displays being offered only if there are any [22:23] me4oslav_, what's the easiest way to install the latest version? [22:23] A second :P [22:24] There :0 [22:24] bzr branch lp:kazam sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra cd kazam python setup.py build sudo python setup.py install that's all [22:24] That looks like it needs a few &&s [22:24] just not a single command :D ... Copy/paste to IRC could be a pain :/ [22:24] yeah, &&s are a must [22:25] * mpt installing the latest version now [22:26] me4oslav_: can you paste that again with '&&' between each command, it's earlier for anyone else reading the logs [22:26] sure :) [22:27] gi._glib.GError: Failed to open file '/home/mpt/kazam/share/kazam/ui/kazam.ui': No such file or director [22:27] bzr branch lp:kazam && sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra && cd kazam python && python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install [22:27] y [22:27] Err a second to try [22:28] me4oslav_, "cd kazam python" doesn't look right [22:28] facewall :D [22:28] bzr branch lp:kazam && sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra && cd kazam && python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install [22:28] those should be ok :P [22:30] me4oslav_, same error as above [22:30] a second trying it :) [22:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/974616/ [22:32] Also click marks to show when you cliecked or double-clicked [22:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/974625/ works fine for me [22:33] @mpt sure you were in your home folder when you branched it? [22:33] me4oslav_, yes. [22:35] Just a second :) [22:36] Ok, mpt get this - http://ubuntuone.com/5nXMNkq34N2dYGoLOXbEBV [22:36] unrar it and than install it [22:39] me4oslav_, and471 asked me to design Kazam last year. I never got time for it unfortunately, but here's an initial sketch I did: http://imgur.com/1dojw [22:41] Ok, here is the thing. Can you please hope on #kazam (freenode) when you can and then we can talk about the Ui as much as we want to :) ... And you can always change the digital mockups ... [22:42] I keep on missing it, what's the current program called (the email cient) [22:42] sure thing [22:42] client [22:42] sladen, Geary [22:43] mpt: ta [22:46] With the current layout, the toolbar buttons are much closer to the list of mail folders (which they don't apply to) than to the messages (which they do apply to) [22:46] You could move the toolbar to the bottom of the message/conversation pane [22:49] #ubuntu-uds-room-202 [22:53] I don't think consistency is important here. The toolbar is at the bottom of the Shotwell window -- has anyone ever complained about that? [22:53] The same logic applies there; the actions are applying to photos rather than photo collections. [22:55] uds-room-201: 5 minutes left in this session! [22:56] uds-room-201: 4 minutes left in this session! [22:57] So the Drafts folder would be like a Geary-specific taskbar [22:57] uds-room-201: 3 minutes left in this session! [22:58] uds-room-201: 1 minute left in this session! [22:59] uds-room-201: This session has ended. [23:00] did any more projects/questions come in? is there enough to run it again tomorrow? === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-201 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/room-201/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-room-201.log [23:02] thank you all. I look forward to the improvements in Kazam and Geary for the next release [23:05] did anyone take any photos during the session? === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-201 to: Track: Desktop | Kubuntu Quantal Development | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20593/kubuntu-q-development/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-201.ogg.m3u [23:05] we could do with something to illustrate the Design Theatre for for next time [23:08] O_o [23:13] Hello kubuntu meeting [23:13] hello, Kubuntu Quantal Development meeting :) [23:15] yes [23:15] we can hear y'all [23:15] we can *hear* you on the stream :P [23:15] it sounds like a bunch of monkies [23:15] lol @ sladen [23:15] it'll clear up [23:17] so when're you starting the meeting, its two minutes past the start :P [23:17] Time to start! [23:17] #ubuntu-uds-room-201 [23:17] yes that room :P [23:18] you just attend UDS in-person. Misses all the hassle [23:18] :-D [23:18] hi ho [23:18] you guys there at UDS know you're almost 5 minutes past start time right? [23:18] it's actually linked off the Schedule now if you can get there [23:18] Resistance: it's 20 past midnight, if that's what you mean [23:19] yo [23:19] We always have to wait for those people talking in the hallways half the time :-) [23:20] hey Riddel, could you perhaps use a lighter highlight color on the etherpad? xD [23:21] thanks, Riddel, that's easier to see :P [23:21] you're live on the audio stream, to answer your question :P === zyga_ is now known as zyga [23:23] * txwikinger is Ralph Janke [23:23] lol... [23:23] yeah I now [23:23] *know [23:23] * txwikinger is self-employed [23:24] * txwikinger is in Canada and also the contact for Kubuntu-de and Ubuntu Canada LoCo [23:25] :D [23:25] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20593/kubuntu-q-development/ [23:25] yes please [23:26] Muon Discover video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex6QCGb_G9Q [23:26] discover application in ppas, other archives? [23:27] hi JontheEchidna [23:27] we're talking about Muon in 12.10 [23:27] what plans are there [23:27] ok. I'll try to get the icecast working mometarily [23:27] what do you think we should do with muon discover? [23:27] we sort of do that :) [23:27] That's called Hangout [23:28] we used to have two-way VoIP at UDS, but the interrupts don't work if the room is unbalanced between in-the-room, and remotely [23:28] LOL [23:28] my recommendation would be to hold off until KDE has given us a clear UI guideline for QML-only apps, perhaps in the KF5/Qt5 timeframe [23:28] are you complaining about etherpad? [23:28] and continue to use the existing QWidget-based UI [23:28] until that time [23:28] etherpad is ... an improvement [23:29] Qt5 is August [23:29] Qt Desktop components will seem to be key for this, and it's set for around Qt 5.1 or 5.2 iirc [23:29] yes, I'm listening to the stream now [23:30] ;) [23:30] heh [23:30] i want to know what kde version kubuntu 12.10 will use? [23:30] I'm sorry, you cut out for a second, could you repeat that? [23:30] bmoez: another session [23:30] JontheEchidna: are you going to implement an interface similar to what Muon discover has right now? [23:31] FYI UDS peoples: the stream cuts out occasionally, so you might need to occasionally repeat yourselves ;) [23:31] I don't plan on placing major UI work into the current QWidget UI [23:31] Discover can be considered the replacement for the current installer [23:31] Resistance: Just let us know and we will respeak things. [23:32] DarkwingUDS: that's the plan :) [23:32] Whoot! [23:32] yes, it uses the Plasma components currently but was not built for tablets [23:32] we could considered it for tablets if it could get tablet support [23:32] JontheEchidna, is plasma components based on qt quick components? [23:33] rbelem: yes, the Plasma components are the standard set of QML components that plasmoids use [23:33] for listboxes, lineedits, etc [23:33] awesome [23:33] can be considered if it complies with UI guidelines yet to be specified [23:33] need adaptions for tablets [23:33] JontheEchidna: happy with that ^^ ? [23:33] yeah [23:33] I would definitely love to see it in an Active spin [23:33] what is that? [23:35] etherpad red person name yourself! [23:35] could you not install the components required automatically with the installation package? [23:38] txwikinger: did you add "create a juju charm"? [23:39] yes [23:40] txwikinger: do you know how to do that? [23:40] actually I think koolhead17 already has [23:40] Riddell: I will when it is needed [23:40] txwikinger: lovely, square up with koolhead17 on that [23:41] ok [23:49] let's use ruby :-) [23:49] txwikinger: PERL [23:49] * DarkwingUDS ducks and runs [23:49] O.O [23:50] DarkwingUDS: 20 years ago :-) [23:50] txwikinger: Cobalt [23:51] me ;) [23:52] if we're not going to be in main [23:52] then we won't have langpack issues to worry about [23:52] so we could presumably switch to KDE language stuff, right? [23:53] I think adding stuff to the current KDE KLocale kcm module would be a better idea than trying to maintain the old language-selector codebase [23:54] ++ [23:54] uds-room-201: 5 minutes left in this session! [23:54] I think in KF5 QLocale will be a whole lot more involved, yes? [23:55] Yes [23:55] +1 [23:55] we could probably maintain language-selector for 1 more cycle [23:55] if Ubuntu isn't breaking it anymore, then there shouldn't be too much trouble [23:55] uds-room-201: 4 minutes left in this session! [23:55] lol [23:56] lol [23:56] Sorry for tossing you out there JontheEchidna :D [23:56] :P [23:56] the main issue with language-selector has been Ubuntu changing stuff in the common classes [23:56] and the Qt UI wasn't updated to reflect those [23:56] bitrot w/ a moving platform [23:56] uds-room-201: 3 minutes left in this session! [23:56] But, you're right, if Ubuntu isn't going to break it then it would be a matter of just packaging... Right? [23:57] uds-room-201: 2 minutes left in this session! [23:58] uds-room-201: 1 minute left in this session! [23:59] Didn't rgreening already mess with kcm_sharing at uds-l? [23:59] txwikinger, nope [23:59] uds-room-201: This session has ended.