[16:59] <daker> hello
[17:01] <YoBoY> hi everyone
[17:02] <daker> hello uds-room-201
[17:02] <YoBoY> hi laura
[17:03] <Cheri703> hola folks!
[17:04] <pleia2> hello :)
[17:07] <mhall119> can those of you listening to the icecast hear us okay?
[17:07] <daker> yep
[17:07] <YoBoY> yes
[17:07] <mhall119> cool
[17:12] <daker> Huston, we have a sound problem ツ
[17:12] <YoBoY> sound broken here :]
[17:12] <YoBoY> ^^"
[17:12] <Cheri703> yeah, mine too, was just refreshing to be sure
[17:13] <AlanBell> is it working in other rooms?
[17:13] <cielak> other rooms work
[17:13] <YoBoY> yes in grand ballroom a and b
[17:13] <daker> AlanBell, yes
[17:14] <daker> uds-room-201, Houston we have a problem
[17:14] <daker> mhall119, ^
[17:14] <YoBoY> who played with the jack ? :)
[17:15] <AlanBell> jono is checking connections
[17:15]  * dscassel is happy folks are looking into it. :)
[17:15] <mhall119> daker: you could hear us earlier right?
[17:16] <daker> mhall119, yep 4min ago
[17:16] <mhall119> nothing now?
[17:16] <YoBoY> nope
[17:17] <mhall119> hmmm, we didn't touch anything..
[17:17] <mhall119> are any other icecast feeds for the other rooms working for you?
[17:17] <YoBoY> yes
[17:17] <daker> yes grand-ballroom-a/b
[17:18] <Cheri703> audio!
[17:18] <YoBoY> yes working
[17:18] <philipballew> nice!
[17:18] <daker> yes
[17:18] <YoBoY> thanks you
[17:18] <Cheri703> yes
[17:18] <YoBoY> who is to blame ?
[17:18] <daker> blame chris
[17:18] <Cheri703> we're good, and whoever said my name said it right \o/ good job ;)
[17:20] <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20723/community-roundtable-monday/
[17:20] <daker> oh dholbach ツ
[17:21] <dholbach> salut daker :)
[17:21] <daker> salut
[17:24] <YoBoY> can we talk also how locos can point efficiently to the new localized system documentation ?
[17:24] <YoBoY> yes
[17:24] <YoBoY> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/index.html << here it's localized
[17:25] <YoBoY> cool :)
[17:28] <mhall119> YoBoY: come to the help.u.c and SUMO sessions, SUMO lets us handle localization better
[17:29] <YoBoY> mhall119: I'll try, not easy, I have an ubuntu party to organize after my work day ^^"
[17:46] <nik90> haha
[17:46] <YoBoY> thanks
[17:55] <YoBoY> arrête de parler huats
[17:55] <huats> YoBoY: oups
[17:55] <YoBoY> ^^
[17:59] <SpamapS> o/ hello from LA LA land
[18:00] <SpamapS> just lost the audio feed
[18:00] <SpamapS> n/m local problem
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[18:03] <SpamapS> yes, proceed :)
[18:06] <SpamapS> I have to wonder if there is some parallel work going on in OpenStack's glance
[18:07] <SpamapS> The OpenStack API has a call to describe instance types with their attributes
[18:09] <SpamapS> nova-manage flavor list m1.medium: Memory: 4096MB, VCPUS: 2, Storage: 40GB, FlavorID: 3, Swap: 0GB, RXTX Quota: 0GB, RXTX Cap: 0MB m1.large: Memory: 8192MB, VCPUS: 4, Storage: 80GB, FlavorID: 4, Swap: 0GB,
[18:13] <SpamapS> ECU is a rough measurement that is at least repeatable, "CPU" is much harder to define.
[18:17] <SpamapS> +1 for discouraging custom image use
[18:17] <SpamapS> We should look at making it easier to have juju create images or other ways to optimize away the pain of repeating painful, long installs.
[18:20] <SpamapS> +1 for resource map being a static file. We can iterate on tools to generate it from various providers and public data sources.
[18:23] <SpamapS> the expression of the data in a dictionary in yaml doesn't preclude other ways of interpretting it.
[18:29] <SpamapS> We can generate that map for openstack and maas into the same static format
[18:34] <SpamapS> ec2 is undefined in private clouds being accessed via the EC2 API
[18:35] <SpamapS> I don't know how much data openstack exposes about image OS
[18:36] <SpamapS> Eucalyptus and CloudStack are not insignificant.
[18:38] <SpamapS> Images are resources. :)
[18:41] <SpamapS> perhaps the layer of abstraction needs to be   class BaseResourceMap(object), class DynamicOSAPIResourceMap(BaseResourceMap), class StaticResourceMap(BaseResourceMap)
[18:43] <SpamapS> "best effort"
[18:45] <SpamapS> **10 minutes**
[18:46] <SpamapS> "Ubuntu" is already a service provider with https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query
[18:46] <SpamapS> Giving people an option to just change that URL, is a decent first step.
[18:48] <SpamapS> nova-manage flavor list
[18:48] <SpamapS> 	m1.medium: Memory: 4096MB, VCPUS: 2, Storage: 40GB, FlavorID: 3, Swap: 0GB, RXTX Quota: 0GB, RXTX Cap: 0MB
[18:48] <SpamapS> nova-manage flavor create --name=m1.miniscule --memory=128 --cpu=1 --local_gb=20 --flavor=6 --swap=0 --rxtx_quota=0 --rxtx_cap=0
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[18:52] <SpamapS> See you all in Room 208! ;)
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[22:00] <sladen> evening people
[22:00] <sladen> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-201.ogg.m3u
[22:00] <sladen> irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#ubuntu-uds-room-201
[22:00] <sladen> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20745/design-theatre/
[22:21] <mpt> I'm looking at Kazam 1.0.6 (the version installable in Ubuntu 12.04), and I notice a couple of things
[22:21] <mpt> One is that it presents "Video source" and "Record Region" as if they are separate, when really, they are mutually exclusive
[22:22] <mpt> It could be a single toggle between "Select an area", "Active window", or "Whole screen"
[22:22] <me4oslav_> BTW, i am the other Kazam guy. Please, don't use the 1.0.6 release, it's a bit of ancient :P
[22:23] <mpt> with any extra displays being offered only if there are any
[22:23] <mpt> me4oslav_, what's the easiest way to install the latest version?
[22:23] <me4oslav_> A second :P
[22:24] <me4oslav_> There :0
[22:24] <me4oslav_> bzr branch lp:kazam sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra cd kazam python setup.py build sudo python setup.py install that's all
[22:24] <mpt> That looks like it needs a few &&s
[22:24] <me4oslav_> just not a single command :D ... Copy/paste to IRC could be a pain :/
[22:24] <me4oslav_> yeah, &&s are a must
[22:25]  * mpt installing the latest version now
[22:26] <sladen> me4oslav_: can you paste that again with '&&' between each command, it's earlier for anyone else reading the logs
[22:26] <me4oslav_> sure :)
[22:27] <mpt> gi._glib.GError: Failed to open file '/home/mpt/kazam/share/kazam/ui/kazam.ui': No such file or director
[22:27] <me4oslav_> bzr branch lp:kazam && sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra && cd kazam python && python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install
[22:27] <mpt> y
[22:27] <me4oslav_> Err a second to try
[22:28] <mpt> me4oslav_, "cd kazam python" doesn't look right
[22:28] <me4oslav_> facewall :D
[22:28] <me4oslav_> bzr branch lp:kazam && sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra && cd kazam && python setup.py build && sudo python setup.py install
[22:28] <me4oslav_> those should be ok :P
[22:30] <mpt> me4oslav_, same error as above
[22:30] <me4oslav_> a second trying it :)
[22:30] <mpt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/974616/
[22:32] <mpt> Also click marks to show when you cliecked or double-clicked
[22:32] <me4oslav_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/974625/ works fine for me
[22:33] <me4oslav_> @mpt sure you were in your home folder when you branched it?
[22:33] <mpt> me4oslav_, yes.
[22:35] <me4oslav_> Just a second :)
[22:36] <me4oslav_> Ok, mpt get this - http://ubuntuone.com/5nXMNkq34N2dYGoLOXbEBV
[22:36] <me4oslav_> unrar it and than install it
[22:39] <mpt> me4oslav_, and471 asked me to design Kazam last year. I never got time for it unfortunately, but here's an initial sketch I did: http://imgur.com/1dojw
[22:41] <me4oslav_> Ok, here is the thing. Can you please hope on #kazam (freenode) when you can and then we can talk about the Ui as much as we want to :) ... And you can always change the digital mockups ...
[22:42] <sladen> I keep on missing it, what's the current program called (the email cient)
[22:42] <mpt> sure thing
[22:42] <sladen> client
[22:42] <mpt> sladen, Geary
[22:43] <sladen> mpt: ta
[22:46] <mpt> With the current layout, the toolbar buttons are much closer to the list of mail folders (which they don't apply to) than to the messages (which they do apply to)
[22:46] <mpt> You could move the toolbar to the bottom of the message/conversation pane
[22:49] <gua-uds> #ubuntu-uds-room-202
[22:53] <mpt> I don't think consistency is important here. The toolbar is at the bottom of the Shotwell window -- has anyone ever complained about that?
[22:53] <mpt> The same logic applies there; the actions are applying to photos rather than photo collections.
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[22:57] <mpt> So the Drafts folder would be like a Geary-specific taskbar
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[23:00] <sladen> did any more projects/questions come in?  is there enough to run it again tomorrow?
[23:02] <sladen> thank you all.  I look forward to the improvements in Kazam and Geary for the next release
[23:05] <sladen> did anyone take any photos during the session?
[23:05] <sladen> we could do with something to illustrate the Design Theatre for for next time
[23:08] <mpt> O_o
[23:13] <txwikinger> Hello kubuntu meeting
[23:13] <Resistance> hello, Kubuntu Quantal Development meeting :)
[23:15] <txwikinger> yes
[23:15] <txwikinger> we can hear y'all
[23:15] <Resistance> we can *hear* you on the stream :P
[23:15] <sladen> it sounds like a bunch of monkies
[23:15] <Resistance> lol @ sladen
[23:15] <Resistance> it'll clear up
[23:17] <Resistance> so when're you starting the meeting, its two minutes past the start :P
[23:17] <txwikinger> Time to start!
[23:17] <txwikinger> #ubuntu-uds-room-201
[23:17] <Resistance> yes that room :P
[23:18] <sladen> you just attend UDS in-person.  Misses all the hassle
[23:18] <rbelem> :-D
[23:18] <tsdgeos_> hi ho
[23:18] <Resistance> you guys there at UDS know you're almost 5 minutes past start time right?
[23:18] <sladen> it's actually linked off the Schedule now if you can get there
[23:18] <sladen> Resistance: it's 20 past midnight, if that's what you mean
[23:19] <afiestas> yo
[23:19] <txwikinger> We always have to wait for those people talking in the hallways half the time :-)
[23:20] <Resistance> hey Riddel, could you perhaps use a lighter highlight color on the etherpad?  xD
[23:21] <Resistance> thanks, Riddel, that's easier to see :P
[23:21] <Resistance> you're live on the audio stream, to answer your question :P
[23:23]  * txwikinger is Ralph Janke
[23:23] <Resistance> lol...
[23:23] <DarkwingUDS> yeah I now
[23:23] <DarkwingUDS> *know
[23:23]  * txwikinger is self-employed
[23:24]  * txwikinger is in Canada and also the contact for Kubuntu-de and Ubuntu Canada LoCo
[23:25] <DarkwingUDS> :D
[23:25] <Riddell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20593/kubuntu-q-development/
[23:25] <txwikinger> yes please
[23:26] <DarkwingUDS> Muon Discover video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex6QCGb_G9Q
[23:26] <txwikinger> discover application in ppas, other archives?
[23:27] <Riddell> hi JontheEchidna
[23:27] <Riddell> we're talking about Muon in 12.10
[23:27] <Riddell> what plans are there
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> ok. I'll try to get the icecast working mometarily
[23:27] <Riddell> what do you think we should do with muon discover?
[23:27] <sladen> we sort of do that :)
[23:27] <txwikinger> That's called Hangout
[23:28] <sladen> we used to have two-way VoIP at UDS, but the interrupts don't work if the room is unbalanced between in-the-room, and remotely
[23:28] <rbelem> LOL
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> my recommendation would be to hold off until KDE has given us a clear UI guideline for QML-only apps, perhaps in the KF5/Qt5 timeframe
[23:28] <Resistance> are you complaining about etherpad?
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> and continue to use the existing QWidget-based UI
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> until that time
[23:28] <sladen> etherpad is ... an improvement
[23:29] <txwikinger> Qt5 is August
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> Qt Desktop components will seem to be key for this, and it's set for around Qt 5.1 or 5.2 iirc
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> yes, I'm listening to the stream now
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[23:30] <Resistance> heh
[23:30] <bmoez> i want to know what kde version kubuntu 12.10 will use?
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> I'm sorry, you cut out for a second, could you repeat that?
[23:30] <Riddell> bmoez: another session
[23:30] <afiestas> JontheEchidna: are you going to implement an interface similar to what Muon discover has right now?
[23:31] <Resistance> FYI UDS peoples: the stream cuts out occasionally, so you might need to occasionally repeat yourselves ;)
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> I don't plan on placing major UI work into the current QWidget UI
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> Discover can be considered the replacement for the current installer
[23:31] <DarkwingUDS> Resistance: Just let us know and we will respeak things.
[23:32] <Resistance> DarkwingUDS:  that's the plan :)
[23:32] <DarkwingUDS> Whoot!
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> yes, it uses the Plasma components currently but was not built for tablets
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> we could considered it for tablets if it could get tablet support
[23:32] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, is plasma components based on qt quick components?
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: yes, the Plasma components are the standard set of QML components that plasmoids use
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> for listboxes, lineedits, etc
[23:33] <rbelem> awesome
[23:33] <Riddell> can be considered if it complies with UI guidelines yet to be specified
[23:33] <Riddell> need adaptions for tablets
[23:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: happy with that ^^ ?
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> I would definitely love to see it in an Active spin
[23:33] <txwikinger> what is that?
[23:35] <Riddell> etherpad red person name yourself!
[23:35] <Resistance> could you not install the components required automatically with the installation package?
[23:38] <Riddell> txwikinger: did you add "create a juju charm"?
[23:39] <txwikinger> yes
[23:40] <Riddell> txwikinger: do you know how to do that?
[23:40] <Riddell> actually I think koolhead17 already has
[23:40] <txwikinger> Riddell: I will when it is needed
[23:40] <Riddell> txwikinger: lovely, square up with koolhead17 on that
[23:41] <txwikinger> ok
[23:49] <txwikinger> let's use ruby :-)
[23:49] <DarkwingUDS> txwikinger: PERL
[23:49]  * DarkwingUDS ducks and runs
[23:49] <Resistance> O.O
[23:50] <txwikinger> DarkwingUDS: 20 years ago :-)
[23:50] <DarkwingUDS> txwikinger: Cobalt
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> me ;)
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> if we're not going to be in main
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> then we won't have langpack issues to worry about
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> so we could presumably switch to KDE language stuff, right?
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> I think adding stuff to the current KDE KLocale kcm module would be a better idea than trying to maintain the old language-selector codebase
[23:54] <DarkwingUDS> ++
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[23:54] <JontheEchidna> I think in KF5 QLocale will be a whole lot more involved, yes?
[23:55] <DarkwingUDS> Yes
[23:55] <txwikinger> +1
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> we could probably maintain language-selector for 1 more cycle
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> if Ubuntu isn't breaking it anymore, then there shouldn't be too much trouble
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[23:55] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:56] <Resistance> lol
[23:56] <DarkwingUDS> Sorry for tossing you out there JontheEchidna :D
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> the main issue with language-selector has been Ubuntu changing stuff in the common classes
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> and the Qt UI wasn't updated to reflect those
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> bitrot w/ a moving platform
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[23:56] <DarkwingUDS> But, you're right, if Ubuntu isn't going to break it then it would be a matter of just packaging... Right?
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[23:59] <txwikinger> Didn't rgreening already mess with kcm_sharing at uds-l?
[23:59] <rbelem> txwikinger, nope
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