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| tgm4883 | If anyone is in the room, could you just say the time? I'd like to mark when I hear it then someone can tell me about how much lag there is in the stream | 21:53 |
| tgm4883 | mark | 21:55 |
| tgm4883 | I just heard you will | 21:55 |
| tgm4883 | Oh thats nothing :) | 21:56 |
| tgm4883 | Are there still just 3 Ubuntu tv sessions? | 21:57 |
| willcooke | tgm4883: Yes, at the moment. We'd like to add another one about "Tv Apps" but we're still working out if I can be fitted in | 21:58 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 21:58 |
| tgm4883 | can someone update the #ubuntu-tv channel if that happens (or if any of the tv sessions get moved again)? | 21:58 |
| tgm4883 | I almost missed this one when I saw it got moved up 2 hours | 21:58 |
| willcooke | tgm4883: Sure, I'll do that | 21:59 |
| tgm4883 | willcooke, thanks | 21:59 |
| willcooke | yeah, I didn't get any indication that it had moved either | 21:59 |
| tgm4883 | hmm, totem seems to eventually reach the end of the audio stream | 22:01 |
| popey | i think the streams restart on the hour | 22:01 |
| popey | they always used to | 22:01 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 22:01 |
| tgm4883 | well I've switched over to VLC, so we'll see what happens | 22:02 |
| Saviq | good evening :) | 22:04 |
| tgm4883 | hello Saviq | 22:04 |
| Saviq | cheers! | 22:04 |
| * Saviq clanks the bottle against the screen | 22:05 | |
| MrChrisDruif | TV remotes session? | 22:05 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, yep | 22:05 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, yup | 22:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, I'll lurk for a few..please start the session | 22:06 |
| MrChrisDruif | (probably also with live vodcast?) | 22:06 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, audio is here http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg.m3u | 22:07 |
| Saviq | no video | 22:07 |
| Saviq | hey jhodapp | 22:08 |
| jhodapp | hey Saviq | 22:08 |
| tgm4883 | As an extension of what is being said. Pretty much anything you would see on the tv regarding metadata, should be available on the tablet/phone screen (except the actual video) | 22:13 |
| tgm4883 | oh, + remote controls | 22:13 |
| MrChrisDruif | Saviq; I thought vodcast was without video (v for voice) but it's podcast | 22:14 |
| Saviq | :) | 22:14 |
| tgm4883 | I have that same problem | 22:14 |
| MrChrisDruif | Are there 7 Alien films? | 22:15 |
| tgm4883 | that sounds like what fields should be searchable in Ubuntu | 22:15 |
| MrChrisDruif | That sounds similar to Google's "+" system. It highlights friends who liked it | 22:17 |
| Saviq | yeah we'd have to integrate some of the social networks, but first think a lot about how much / little we would want to expose | 22:18 |
| MrChrisDruif | It says something like " AlanBell, mhall119 and 300 others +1'd it" | 22:18 |
| tgm4883 | To further that idea, you could use G+/Twitter to say you liked some video. Beyond that, you could perhaps subscribe to someone elses UTV recommends (not necessarily friends) | 22:18 |
| MrChrisDruif | What? | 22:19 |
| Saviq | the closest network that I know, that's very social-movie-related is filmaster, recommendations are what they're focused on | 22:20 |
| tgm4883 | Before we get too far off of remotes, we're not planning on getting rid of dumb remote support right? | 22:21 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, I don't think that's in scope for that session | 22:21 |
| Saviq | jhodapp, I wouldn't limit it like that, the possible usecases drive the API design | 22:22 |
| tgm4883 | I've seen it | 22:22 |
| Saviq | o/ | 22:22 |
| tgm4883 | XBMC app | 22:22 |
| jhodapp | Saviq: yeah, that's our scope for this session though | 22:23 |
| Saviq | DLNA | 22:23 |
| Saviq | DLNA limits you, though | 22:24 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, a suggestion for "remote" and even "profiles": every smartphone (yes, also Android and iOS) with the ubuntu-remote app has it's own profile. You can start movies depending on age etc and you get recommendation on your profile | 22:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | And you can also pause the movie/stream for everyone or just yourself | 22:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | I know it's rather vague what I'm telling, but it's works flawlessly in my mind ^_^ | 22:25 |
| chienchouchen | tgm4883: XBMC thing is cool, i have been using it, works very well for me | 22:26 |
| willcooke | MrChrisDruif: nice idea, please add it to the use-case section on the pad | 22:26 |
| tgm4883 | There is a fork of MythTV called TORC that has a pretty good implementation of a tablet remote control | 22:26 |
| tgm4883 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxQDLTSucxM | 22:27 |
| mikhas | we did some experiment wrt. remote text input (using your couch device to input text on your tv set): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmvAq3-rJwU (maliit) | 22:28 |
| MrChrisDruif | Argh, crappy laptop | 22:28 |
| willcooke | MrChrisDruif: no worries, I can do it | 22:28 |
| Saviq | UPnP / mDNS | 22:30 |
| imnichol | What about avahi? | 22:31 |
| imnichol | Oh, beaten by Saviq | 22:31 |
| Saviq | imnichol, avahi ~= zeroconf ~= mDNS | 22:31 |
| kenvandine | dlna covers that too | 22:32 |
| Saviq | question is, do we want to try and extend the DLNA APIs for Ubuntu-TV-specific needs, where DLNA does not provide | 22:32 |
| Saviq | or do we want to implement DLNA for talking with other DLNA or just go custom RESTful | 22:33 |
| Saviq | jhodapp, ^ | 22:33 |
| Saviq | does anyone have experience with extending DLNA? | 22:33 |
| * mikhas votes to go with DLNA | 22:33 | |
| Saviq | s/or just/and just/ | 22:33 |
| kenvandine | Saviq, i think it would have to be both | 22:34 |
| kenvandine | you could discover the device with dlna but perhaps use that info to provide access to a RESTful API | 22:34 |
| Saviq | there's other APIs we need to look at | 22:37 |
| Saviq | RVU and stuff | 22:37 |
| mikhas | RVU := ? | 22:37 |
| Saviq | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RVU_protocol | 22:37 |
| MrChrisDruif | Did my idea arrive? | 22:37 |
| mikhas | MrChrisDruif, repeat it? | 22:37 |
| Saviq | it's used by DirecTV, AFAIK | 22:37 |
| mikhas | Saviq, thanks | 22:38 |
| Saviq | but dunno about TVs that are RVU-enabled | 22:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | <MrChrisDruif> Alright, a suggestion for "remote" and even "profiles": every smartphone (yes, also Android and iOS) with the ubuntu-remote app has it's the ability to start movies or series on U-TV and also gets it's own recommendations. | 22:39 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, already in the pad | 22:39 |
| MrChrisDruif | Also the part about pausing something for you personally or for everyone? | 22:40 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, yes | 22:40 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, I believe you mean saving a bookmark of sorts? | 22:40 |
| MrChrisDruif | You pause it for you personally on your own device, so you can get started to leave for work and continue watching on the tube/metro | 22:41 |
| MrChrisDruif | It's kind of like "bookmarking", but with your own personal copy | 22:41 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, let me add that | 22:42 |
| mikhas | MrChrisDruif, we dubbed it "roaming" I think | 22:42 |
| Saviq | mikhas, I think it's a bit more than roaming | 22:42 |
| mikhas | ok | 22:43 |
| Saviq | mikhas, but yes, same idea, only spanning not just your TVs, but also mobile devices (you "roam" to a mobile device) | 22:43 |
| MrChrisDruif | What do you mean with roaming? Just streaming to your uPhone/uPad? | 22:43 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, he meant going from room to room and have the content "follow" you | 22:43 |
| mikhas | yep | 22:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ah, well then that idea sounds pretty similar, but then also to your personal device. Not just the devices in your house | 22:44 |
| tgm4883 | How do you determine where you are at in your house? | 22:45 |
| tgm4883 | err | 22:45 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, bluetooth, for examble | 22:45 |
| tgm4883 | your computer determine what room you're in? | 22:45 |
| mikhas | tgm4883, gps? | 22:45 |
| Saviq | s/b/p/ | 22:45 |
| MrChrisDruif | tgm4883; wifi | 22:45 |
| MrChrisDruif | ? | 22:45 |
| mikhas | are, *in* your house | 22:45 |
| mikhas | not at :-) | 22:45 |
| tgm4883 | linuxmce has been attempting that, last I checked it isn't very reliable | 22:45 |
| tgm4883 | bluetooth has a range of ~30 feet | 22:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | tgm4883; that was manually? | 22:46 |
| Saviq | mikhas, based on bluetooth strength you can assume you're closer to one or the other | 22:46 |
| Saviq | another possibility - face recognition | 22:46 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, that was automatically IIRC | 22:46 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, so you just can't have any pictures on the wall? | 22:46 |
| mikhas | face recognition by the tv set itself? | 22:46 |
| mikhas | that would help with profile management, too | 22:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | So it seems tgm4883: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufVBOf1ir8 | 22:47 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, instead of automatically, could you have different "rooms" on your touchscreen and switch it there? | 22:47 |
| tgm4883 | you could, I mean is that acceptable? | 22:47 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, I think we should try making it automagical | 22:48 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, and only fall back to manual when that doesn't work | 22:48 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, another way could be NFC | 22:48 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, can that be low priority then? | 22:48 |
| Saviq | you'd come in to a room and touch a tag somewhere to "log in" to the room | 22:48 |
| tgm4883 | this would require the user have multiple Ubuntu TV's | 22:49 |
| MrChrisDruif | Saviq; nfc is about 1m? | 22:49 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, more 1cm | 22:49 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, RFID should be 1m | 22:49 |
| Saviq | which NFC is a subset of | 22:49 |
| MrChrisDruif | So I think RFID would be better? | 22:49 |
| MrChrisDruif | In our case? | 22:49 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, no, you need something more widespread | 22:50 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, yes, but RFID is not as easy to get by | 22:50 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, you could have a passive sticker somewhere on your coffee table or wherever | 22:50 |
| Saviq | MrChrisDruif, but sure, RFID would work just as well | 22:51 |
| tgm4883 | How are you handling content on one tv and not another? | 22:52 |
| Saviq | I'd say the broadcast technology won't allow you to have your tv more than 5 years old anymore | 22:52 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, ideally that should be seamless | 22:52 |
| tgm4883 | so if you have multiple Ubuntu TV's, each with separate content, what does the remote see? | 22:52 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, ideally, all | 22:53 |
| Saviq | s/all/everything/ | 22:53 |
| Saviq | NO please | 22:53 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, Ok, so I bring home a 2nd Ubuntu TV, it needs to zeroconf with the first TV | 22:53 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, zeroconf or UPnP, yes | 22:53 |
| tgm4883 | which is beyond the scope of this session, but worth mentioning | 22:53 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, yup | 22:54 |
| mikhas | blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-tv-control | 22:54 |
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| mikhas | but it's pretty empty :-( | 22:55 |
| MrChrisDruif | It's totally inaudible what was just said | 22:55 |
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| Saviq | *** another work item: determine whether it's worth extending DLNA (or any proposed successor) or just go with custom API | 22:56 |
| Saviq | jhodapp, willcooke ^ | 22:56 |
| willcooke | Saviq: Got it | 22:56 |
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| tgm4883 | There needs to be a local authority for metadata | 22:57 |
| Saviq | at least some metadata needs to come from the TV, matched with online data afterwards | 22:57 |
| tgm4883 | that way you can deal with overrides | 22:57 |
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| tgm4883 | eg. The office US vs the office UK | 22:58 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, sure, the ID should ideally come from the TV | 22:58 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, the primary TV | 22:58 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, and any data that the tv actually has | 22:58 |
| tgm4883 | since there could be a secondary TV | 22:58 |
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| Saviq | more should be retrieved by the device itself | 22:59 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, whichever one "holds" the data is authoritative for it | 22:59 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, I disagree, the TV should retreive all the metadata | 22:59 |
| Saviq | thanks all | 22:59 |
| tgm4883 | no reason for my phone to go to the internet to get additional data | 23:00 |
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| Saviq | tgm4883, not if the metadata is "other movies/shows with person X from the show I'm watching now" | 23:00 |
| Saviq | or social network feeds etc. | 23:00 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, ah, so metadata not directly related to the content | 23:00 |
| tgm4883 | yes I agree then | 23:00 |
| Saviq | or related directly, but not available / making sense on the TV | 23:01 |
| Saviq | ok we're overtime, thanks all | 23:01 |
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