=== IdleOne is now known as Guest21295 === Guest21295 is now known as IdleOne === daker is now known as daker__ === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-202 to: Track: Community | Qt Birds of a Feather and Question and Answer | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20715/community-q-qt-bof/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg.m3u [18:57] Qt rocks === zyga_ is now known as zyga [19:29] http://qt-project.org/wiki/Maintainers [19:54] uds-room-202: 5 minutes left in this session! [19:55] uds-room-202: 4 minutes left in this session! [19:56] uds-room-202: 3 minutes left in this session! [19:57] uds-room-202: 2 minutes left in this session! [19:58] uds-room-202: 1 minute left in this session! [19:59] uds-room-202: This session has ended. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-202 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/room-202/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-room-202.log === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-202 to: Track: Desktop | Control of TV from a local network | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20709/desktop-q-tv-control/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg.m3u [21:53] If anyone is in the room, could you just say the time? I'd like to mark when I hear it then someone can tell me about how much lag there is in the stream [21:55] mark [21:55] I just heard you will [21:56] Oh thats nothing :) [21:57] Are there still just 3 Ubuntu tv sessions? [21:58] tgm4883: Yes, at the moment. We'd like to add another one about "Tv Apps" but we're still working out if I can be fitted in [21:58] ok [21:58] can someone update the #ubuntu-tv channel if that happens (or if any of the tv sessions get moved again)? [21:58] I almost missed this one when I saw it got moved up 2 hours [21:59] tgm4883: Sure, I'll do that [21:59] willcooke, thanks [21:59] yeah, I didn't get any indication that it had moved either [22:01] hmm, totem seems to eventually reach the end of the audio stream [22:01] i think the streams restart on the hour [22:01] they always used to [22:01] ah [22:02] well I've switched over to VLC, so we'll see what happens [22:04] good evening :) [22:04] hello Saviq [22:04] cheers! [22:05] * Saviq clanks the bottle against the screen [22:05] TV remotes session? [22:05] MrChrisDruif, yep [22:05] MrChrisDruif, yup [22:06] Alright, I'll lurk for a few..please start the session [22:06] (probably also with live vodcast?) [22:07] MrChrisDruif, audio is here http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg.m3u [22:07] no video [22:08] hey jhodapp [22:08] hey Saviq [22:13] As an extension of what is being said. Pretty much anything you would see on the tv regarding metadata, should be available on the tablet/phone screen (except the actual video) [22:13] oh, + remote controls [22:14] Saviq; I thought vodcast was without video (v for voice) but it's podcast [22:14] :) [22:14] I have that same problem [22:15] Are there 7 Alien films? [22:15] that sounds like what fields should be searchable in Ubuntu [22:17] That sounds similar to Google's "+" system. It highlights friends who liked it [22:18] yeah we'd have to integrate some of the social networks, but first think a lot about how much / little we would want to expose [22:18] It says something like " AlanBell, mhall119 and 300 others +1'd it" [22:18] To further that idea, you could use G+/Twitter to say you liked some video. Beyond that, you could perhaps subscribe to someone elses UTV recommends (not necessarily friends) [22:19] What? [22:20] the closest network that I know, that's very social-movie-related is filmaster, recommendations are what they're focused on [22:21] Before we get too far off of remotes, we're not planning on getting rid of dumb remote support right? [22:21] tgm4883, I don't think that's in scope for that session [22:22] jhodapp, I wouldn't limit it like that, the possible usecases drive the API design [22:22] I've seen it [22:22] o/ [22:22] XBMC app [22:23] Saviq: yeah, that's our scope for this session though [22:23] DLNA [22:24] DLNA limits you, though [22:25] Alright, a suggestion for "remote" and even "profiles": every smartphone (yes, also Android and iOS) with the ubuntu-remote app has it's own profile. You can start movies depending on age etc and you get recommendation on your profile [22:25] And you can also pause the movie/stream for everyone or just yourself [22:25] I know it's rather vague what I'm telling, but it's works flawlessly in my mind ^_^ [22:26] tgm4883: XBMC thing is cool, i have been using it, works very well for me [22:26] MrChrisDruif: nice idea, please add it to the use-case section on the pad [22:26] There is a fork of MythTV called TORC that has a pretty good implementation of a tablet remote control [22:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxQDLTSucxM [22:28] we did some experiment wrt. remote text input (using your couch device to input text on your tv set): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmvAq3-rJwU (maliit) [22:28] Argh, crappy laptop [22:28] MrChrisDruif: no worries, I can do it [22:30] UPnP / mDNS [22:31] What about avahi? [22:31] Oh, beaten by Saviq [22:31] imnichol, avahi ~= zeroconf ~= mDNS [22:32] dlna covers that too [22:32] question is, do we want to try and extend the DLNA APIs for Ubuntu-TV-specific needs, where DLNA does not provide [22:33] or do we want to implement DLNA for talking with other DLNA or just go custom RESTful [22:33] jhodapp, ^ [22:33] does anyone have experience with extending DLNA? [22:33] * mikhas votes to go with DLNA [22:33] s/or just/and just/ [22:34] Saviq, i think it would have to be both [22:34] you could discover the device with dlna but perhaps use that info to provide access to a RESTful API [22:37] there's other APIs we need to look at [22:37] RVU and stuff [22:37] RVU := ? [22:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RVU_protocol [22:37] Did my idea arrive? [22:37] MrChrisDruif, repeat it? [22:37] it's used by DirecTV, AFAIK [22:38] Saviq, thanks [22:38] but dunno about TVs that are RVU-enabled [22:39] Alright, a suggestion for "remote" and even "profiles": every smartphone (yes, also Android and iOS) with the ubuntu-remote app has it's the ability to start movies or series on U-TV and also gets it's own recommendations. [22:39] MrChrisDruif, already in the pad [22:40] Also the part about pausing something for you personally or for everyone? [22:40] MrChrisDruif, yes [22:40] MrChrisDruif, I believe you mean saving a bookmark of sorts? [22:41] You pause it for you personally on your own device, so you can get started to leave for work and continue watching on the tube/metro [22:41] It's kind of like "bookmarking", but with your own personal copy [22:42] MrChrisDruif, let me add that [22:42] MrChrisDruif, we dubbed it "roaming" I think [22:42] mikhas, I think it's a bit more than roaming [22:43] ok [22:43] mikhas, but yes, same idea, only spanning not just your TVs, but also mobile devices (you "roam" to a mobile device) [22:43] What do you mean with roaming? Just streaming to your uPhone/uPad? [22:43] MrChrisDruif, he meant going from room to room and have the content "follow" you [22:44] yep [22:44] Ah, well then that idea sounds pretty similar, but then also to your personal device. Not just the devices in your house [22:45] How do you determine where you are at in your house? [22:45] err [22:45] tgm4883, bluetooth, for examble [22:45] your computer determine what room you're in? [22:45] tgm4883, gps? [22:45] s/b/p/ [22:45] tgm4883; wifi [22:45] ? [22:45] are, *in* your house [22:45] not at :-) [22:45] linuxmce has been attempting that, last I checked it isn't very reliable [22:46] bluetooth has a range of ~30 feet [22:46] tgm4883; that was manually? [22:46] mikhas, based on bluetooth strength you can assume you're closer to one or the other [22:46] another possibility - face recognition [22:46] MrChrisDruif, that was automatically IIRC [22:46] Saviq, so you just can't have any pictures on the wall? [22:46] face recognition by the tv set itself? [22:46] that would help with profile management, too [22:47] So it seems tgm4883: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufVBOf1ir8 [22:47] Saviq, instead of automatically, could you have different "rooms" on your touchscreen and switch it there? [22:47] you could, I mean is that acceptable? [22:48] tgm4883, I think we should try making it automagical [22:48] tgm4883, and only fall back to manual when that doesn't work [22:48] tgm4883, another way could be NFC [22:48] Saviq, can that be low priority then? [22:48] you'd come in to a room and touch a tag somewhere to "log in" to the room [22:49] this would require the user have multiple Ubuntu TV's [22:49] Saviq; nfc is about 1m? [22:49] MrChrisDruif, more 1cm [22:49] MrChrisDruif, RFID should be 1m [22:49] which NFC is a subset of [22:49] So I think RFID would be better? [22:49] In our case? [22:50] MrChrisDruif, no, you need something more widespread [22:50] MrChrisDruif, yes, but RFID is not as easy to get by [22:50] MrChrisDruif, you could have a passive sticker somewhere on your coffee table or wherever [22:51] MrChrisDruif, but sure, RFID would work just as well [22:52] How are you handling content on one tv and not another? [22:52] I'd say the broadcast technology won't allow you to have your tv more than 5 years old anymore [22:52] tgm4883, ideally that should be seamless [22:52] so if you have multiple Ubuntu TV's, each with separate content, what does the remote see? [22:53] tgm4883, ideally, all [22:53] s/all/everything/ [22:53] NO please [22:53] Saviq, Ok, so I bring home a 2nd Ubuntu TV, it needs to zeroconf with the first TV [22:53] tgm4883, zeroconf or UPnP, yes [22:53] which is beyond the scope of this session, but worth mentioning [22:54] tgm4883, yup [22:54] blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-tv-control [22:55] uds-room-202: 5 minutes left in this session! [22:55] but it's pretty empty :-( [22:55] It's totally inaudible what was just said [22:56] uds-room-202: 4 minutes left in this session! [22:56] *** another work item: determine whether it's worth extending DLNA (or any proposed successor) or just go with custom API [22:56] jhodapp, willcooke ^ [22:56] Saviq: Got it [22:57] uds-room-202: 3 minutes left in this session! [22:57] There needs to be a local authority for metadata [22:57] at least some metadata needs to come from the TV, matched with online data afterwards [22:57] that way you can deal with overrides [22:58] uds-room-202: 1 minute left in this session! [22:58] eg. The office US vs the office UK [22:58] tgm4883, sure, the ID should ideally come from the TV [22:58] Saviq, the primary TV [22:58] tgm4883, and any data that the tv actually has [22:58] since there could be a secondary TV [22:59] uds-room-202: This session has ended. [22:59] more should be retrieved by the device itself [22:59] tgm4883, whichever one "holds" the data is authoritative for it [22:59] Saviq, I disagree, the TV should retreive all the metadata [22:59] thanks all [23:00] no reason for my phone to go to the internet to get additional data === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-202 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/room-202/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-room-202.log [23:00] tgm4883, not if the metadata is "other movies/shows with person X from the show I'm watching now" [23:00] or social network feeds etc. [23:00] Saviq, ah, so metadata not directly related to the content [23:00] yes I agree then [23:01] or related directly, but not available / making sense on the TV [23:01] ok we're overtime, thanks all === zyga_ is now known as zyga === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-202 to: Track: | canonical private meeting - boot technology | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20692/canonical-private-meeting/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg.m3u