[18:57] <tsdgeos> Qt rocks
[19:29] <thiago> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Maintainers
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[21:53] <tgm4883> If anyone is in the room, could you just say the time? I'd like to mark when I hear it then someone can tell me about how much lag there is in the stream
[21:55] <tgm4883> mark
[21:55] <tgm4883> I just heard you will
[21:56] <tgm4883> Oh thats nothing :)
[21:57] <tgm4883> Are there still just 3 Ubuntu tv sessions?
[21:58] <willcooke> tgm4883: Yes, at the moment.  We'd like to add another one about "Tv Apps" but we're still working out if I can be fitted in
[21:58] <tgm4883> ok
[21:58] <tgm4883> can someone update the #ubuntu-tv channel if that happens (or if any of the tv sessions get moved again)?
[21:58] <tgm4883> I almost missed this one when I saw it got moved up 2 hours
[21:59] <willcooke> tgm4883: Sure, I'll do that
[21:59] <tgm4883> willcooke, thanks
[21:59] <willcooke> yeah, I didn't get any indication that it had moved either
[22:01] <tgm4883> hmm, totem seems to eventually reach the end of the audio stream
[22:01] <popey> i think the streams restart on the hour
[22:01] <popey> they always used to
[22:01] <tgm4883> ah
[22:02] <tgm4883> well I've switched over to VLC, so we'll see what happens
[22:04] <Saviq> good evening :)
[22:04] <tgm4883> hello Saviq
[22:04] <Saviq> cheers!
[22:05]  * Saviq clanks the bottle against the screen
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> TV remotes session?
[22:05] <tgm4883> MrChrisDruif, yep
[22:05] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, yup
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I'll lurk for a few..please start the session
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> (probably also with live vodcast?)
[22:07] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, audio is here http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg.m3u
[22:07] <Saviq> no video
[22:08] <Saviq> hey jhodapp
[22:08] <jhodapp> hey Saviq
[22:13] <tgm4883> As an extension of what is being said. Pretty much anything you would see on the tv regarding metadata, should be available on the tablet/phone screen (except the actual video)
[22:13] <tgm4883> oh, + remote controls
[22:14] <MrChrisDruif> Saviq; I thought vodcast was without video (v for voice) but it's podcast
[22:14] <Saviq> :)
[22:14] <tgm4883> I have that same problem
[22:15] <MrChrisDruif> Are there 7 Alien films?
[22:15] <tgm4883> that sounds like what fields should be searchable in Ubuntu
[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> That sounds similar to Google's "+" system. It highlights friends who liked it
[22:18] <Saviq> yeah we'd have to integrate some of the social networks, but first think a lot about how much / little we would want to expose
[22:18] <MrChrisDruif> It says something like " AlanBell, mhall119 and 300 others +1'd it"
[22:18] <tgm4883> To further that idea, you could use G+/Twitter to say you liked some video. Beyond that, you could perhaps subscribe to someone elses UTV recommends (not necessarily friends)
[22:19] <MrChrisDruif> What?
[22:20] <Saviq> the closest network that I know, that's very social-movie-related is filmaster, recommendations are what they're focused on
[22:21] <tgm4883> Before we get too far off of remotes, we're not planning on getting rid of dumb remote support right?
[22:21] <Saviq> tgm4883, I don't think that's in scope for that session
[22:22] <Saviq> jhodapp, I wouldn't limit it like that, the possible usecases drive the API design
[22:22] <tgm4883> I've seen it
[22:22] <Saviq> o/
[22:22] <tgm4883> XBMC app
[22:23] <jhodapp> Saviq: yeah, that's our scope for this session though
[22:23] <Saviq> DLNA
[22:24] <Saviq> DLNA limits you, though
[22:25] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, a suggestion for "remote" and even "profiles": every smartphone (yes, also Android and iOS) with the ubuntu-remote app has it's own profile. You can start movies depending on age etc and you get recommendation on your profile
[22:25] <MrChrisDruif> And you can also pause the movie/stream for everyone or just yourself
[22:25] <MrChrisDruif> I know it's rather vague what I'm telling, but it's works flawlessly in my mind ^_^
[22:26] <chienchouchen> tgm4883: XBMC thing is cool, i have been using it, works very well for me
[22:26] <willcooke> MrChrisDruif: nice idea, please add it to the use-case section on the pad
[22:26] <tgm4883> There is a fork of MythTV called TORC that has a pretty good implementation of a tablet remote control
[22:27] <tgm4883> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxQDLTSucxM
[22:28] <mikhas> we did some experiment wrt. remote text input (using your couch device to input text on your tv set): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmvAq3-rJwU (maliit)
[22:28] <MrChrisDruif> Argh, crappy laptop
[22:28] <willcooke> MrChrisDruif: no worries, I can do it
[22:30] <Saviq> UPnP / mDNS
[22:31] <imnichol> What about avahi?
[22:31] <imnichol> Oh, beaten by Saviq
[22:31] <Saviq> imnichol, avahi ~= zeroconf ~= mDNS
[22:32] <kenvandine> dlna covers that too
[22:32] <Saviq> question is, do we want to try and extend the DLNA APIs for Ubuntu-TV-specific needs, where DLNA does not provide
[22:33] <Saviq> or do we want to implement DLNA for talking with other DLNA or just go custom RESTful
[22:33] <Saviq> jhodapp, ^
[22:33] <Saviq> does anyone have experience with extending DLNA?
[22:33]  * mikhas votes to go with DLNA
[22:33] <Saviq> s/or just/and just/
[22:34] <kenvandine> Saviq, i think it would have to be both
[22:34] <kenvandine> you could discover the device with dlna but perhaps use that info to provide access to a RESTful API
[22:37] <Saviq> there's other APIs we need to look at
[22:37] <Saviq> RVU and stuff
[22:37] <mikhas> RVU := ?
[22:37] <Saviq> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RVU_protocol
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> Did my idea arrive?
[22:37] <mikhas> MrChrisDruif, repeat it?
[22:37] <Saviq> it's used by DirecTV, AFAIK
[22:38] <mikhas> Saviq, thanks
[22:38] <Saviq> but dunno about TVs that are RVU-enabled
 Alright, a suggestion for "remote" and even "profiles": every smartphone (yes, also Android and iOS) with the ubuntu-remote app has it's the ability to start movies or series on U-TV and also gets it's own recommendations.
[22:39] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, already in the pad
[22:40] <MrChrisDruif> Also the part about pausing something for you personally or for everyone?
[22:40] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, yes
[22:40] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, I believe you mean saving a bookmark of sorts?
[22:41] <MrChrisDruif> You pause it for you personally on your own device, so you can get started to leave for work and continue watching on the tube/metro
[22:41] <MrChrisDruif> It's kind of like "bookmarking", but with your own personal copy
[22:42] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, let me add that
[22:42] <mikhas> MrChrisDruif, we dubbed it "roaming" I think
[22:42] <Saviq> mikhas, I think it's a bit more than roaming
[22:43] <mikhas> ok
[22:43] <Saviq> mikhas, but yes, same idea, only spanning not just your TVs, but also mobile devices (you "roam" to a mobile device)
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> What do you mean with roaming? Just streaming to your uPhone/uPad?
[22:43] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, he meant going from room to room and have the content "follow" you
[22:44] <mikhas> yep
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, well then that idea sounds pretty similar, but then also to your personal device. Not just the devices in your house
[22:45] <tgm4883> How do you determine where you are at in your house?
[22:45] <tgm4883> err
[22:45] <Saviq> tgm4883, bluetooth, for examble
[22:45] <tgm4883> your computer determine what room you're in?
[22:45] <mikhas> tgm4883, gps?
[22:45] <Saviq> s/b/p/
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> tgm4883; wifi
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> ?
[22:45] <mikhas> are, *in* your house
[22:45] <mikhas> not at :-)
[22:45] <tgm4883> linuxmce has been attempting that, last I checked it isn't very reliable
[22:46] <tgm4883> bluetooth has a range of ~30 feet
[22:46] <MrChrisDruif> tgm4883; that was manually?
[22:46] <Saviq> mikhas, based on bluetooth strength you can assume you're closer to one or the other
[22:46] <Saviq> another possibility - face recognition
[22:46] <tgm4883> MrChrisDruif, that was automatically IIRC
[22:46] <tgm4883> Saviq, so you just can't have any pictures on the wall?
[22:46] <mikhas> face recognition by the tv set itself?
[22:46] <mikhas> that would help with profile management, too
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> So it seems tgm4883: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufVBOf1ir8
[22:47] <tgm4883> Saviq, instead of automatically, could you have different "rooms" on your touchscreen and switch it there?
[22:47] <tgm4883> you could, I mean is that acceptable?
[22:48] <Saviq> tgm4883, I think we should try making it automagical
[22:48] <Saviq> tgm4883, and only fall back to manual when that doesn't work
[22:48] <Saviq> tgm4883, another way could be NFC
[22:48] <tgm4883> Saviq, can that be low priority then?
[22:48] <Saviq> you'd come in to a room and touch a tag somewhere to "log in" to the room
[22:49] <tgm4883> this would require the user have multiple Ubuntu TV's
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> Saviq; nfc is about 1m?
[22:49] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, more 1cm
[22:49] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, RFID should be 1m
[22:49] <Saviq> which NFC is a subset of
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> So I think RFID would be better?
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> In our case?
[22:50] <tgm4883> MrChrisDruif, no, you need something more widespread
[22:50] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, yes, but RFID is not as easy to get by
[22:50] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, you could have a passive sticker somewhere on your coffee table or wherever
[22:51] <Saviq> MrChrisDruif, but sure, RFID would work just as well
[22:52] <tgm4883> How are you handling content on one tv and not another?
[22:52] <Saviq> I'd say the broadcast technology won't allow you to have your tv more than 5 years old anymore
[22:52] <Saviq> tgm4883, ideally that should be seamless
[22:52] <tgm4883> so if you have multiple Ubuntu TV's, each with separate content, what does the remote see?
[22:53] <Saviq> tgm4883, ideally, all
[22:53] <Saviq> s/all/everything/
[22:53] <Saviq> NO please
[22:53] <tgm4883> Saviq, Ok, so I bring home a 2nd Ubuntu TV, it needs to zeroconf with the first TV
[22:53] <Saviq> tgm4883, zeroconf or UPnP, yes
[22:53] <tgm4883> which is beyond the scope of this session, but worth mentioning
[22:54] <Saviq> tgm4883, yup
[22:54] <mikhas> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-tv-control
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[22:55] <mikhas> but it's pretty empty :-(
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> It's totally inaudible what was just said
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[22:56] <Saviq> *** another work item: determine whether it's worth extending DLNA (or any proposed successor) or just go with custom API
[22:56] <Saviq> jhodapp, willcooke ^
[22:56] <willcooke> Saviq: Got it
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[22:57] <tgm4883> There needs to be a local authority for metadata
[22:57] <Saviq> at least some metadata needs to come from the TV, matched with online data afterwards
[22:57] <tgm4883> that way you can deal with overrides
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[22:58] <tgm4883> eg. The office US vs the office UK
[22:58] <Saviq> tgm4883, sure, the ID should ideally come from the TV
[22:58] <tgm4883> Saviq, the primary TV
[22:58] <Saviq> tgm4883, and any data that the tv actually has
[22:58] <tgm4883> since there could be a secondary TV
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[22:59] <Saviq> more should be retrieved by the device itself
[22:59] <Saviq> tgm4883, whichever one "holds" the data is authoritative for it
[22:59] <tgm4883> Saviq, I disagree, the TV should retreive all the metadata
[22:59] <Saviq> thanks all
[23:00] <tgm4883> no reason for my phone to go to the internet to get additional data
[23:00] <Saviq> tgm4883, not if the metadata is "other movies/shows with person X from the show I'm watching now"
[23:00] <Saviq> or social network feeds etc.
[23:00] <tgm4883> Saviq, ah, so metadata not directly related to the content
[23:00] <tgm4883> yes I agree then
[23:01] <Saviq> or related directly, but not available / making sense on the TV
[23:01] <Saviq> ok we're overtime, thanks all